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Stopping The Spin: The Kostopoulos Assault

No idea if I'll do this more often but here's another response to Damien Cox's "blog" (ie extra column that didn't make the newspaper because it wasn't good enough). I submitted part of it as a comment so we'll see if it gets 'moderated'.

A Good Play Gone Bad

Damien, are you drunk?

You swallowed Kostopolous' BS about Van Ryn "turning at the last second" like a good Anti-Leaf kool-aid drinker.

Watch the replay and show where he turned at the last second. And what about Kostopolous' forearm shiver to Van Ryn's name plate that served only to ensure that his head would be driven into the glass? What good NHL play was he making then?

Before continuing, here is video of the hit on Van Ryn again and try to see if you can find any evidence of whatever the hell The Omen thinks that he sees:


Star-divide

No intent to injure. Just a good play gone bad.

So no, Kostopoulos doesn't deserve a suspension, although the nature of the hit mandated his expulsion from the match. He probably will get at least one game off, however, for making that play in a nationally televised Montreal-Toronto game with the entire hockey world watching. If it happens in Nashville in a game between the Predators and Blue Jackets, we probably never hear about it.

But he doesn't deserve a suspension.

As someone with two functioning eyes and a brain that doesn't focus on how to anger Leaf fans first I can tell you that hits like Saturday's have in fact happened in games without the Leafs or Habs and they have attracted some attention. It helps in building strawmen if you didn't select something that is so obviously ridiculous.

Now if you want to change the rules, that's another thing. If you want to go to no-touch icing, or let the goalies play the puck anywhere they want again, or outlaw hitting within five feet of the end boards, then you might avoid that kind of play in the future.

Otherwise, it's going to happen in this sport of high-speed, violent collisions. But this wasn't dirty. This wasn't Cam Janssen hitting Tomas Kaberle five Mississippis after the puck was gone or repeat offender Ryan Hollweg hammering an opponent from behind for the zillionth time.

Of course, if you build one strawman he might get lonely so you need to give him (or her) someone to play with (that's what she said!). Of course, the only thing that would have prevented this kind of hit is a change to the rules. Well, the only thing except for enforcing the existing rules. And you can even take your pick!:

Rule 42 - Boarding

42.1 Boarding - A boarding penalty shall be imposed on any player or goalkeeper who checks an opponent in such a manner that causes the opponent to be thrown violently in the boards. The severity of the penalty, based upon the degree of violence of the impact with the boards, shall be at the discretion of the Referee. There is an enormous amount of judgment involved in the application of this rule by the Referees.

The onus is on the player (or goalkeeper) applying the check to ensure his opponent is not in a vulnerable position and if so, he must avoid the contact. However, there is also a responsibility on the player with the puck to avoid placing himself in a dangerous and vulnerable position. This balance must be considered by the Referees when applying this rule.

Any unnecessary contact with a player playing the puck on an obvious "icing" or "off-side" play which results in that player being knocked into the boards is "boarding" and must be penalized as such. In other instances where there is no contact with the boards, it should be treated as "charging."

Rule 44 - Checking from Behind 

44.1 Checking from Behind A check from behind is a check delivered on a player who is not aware of the impending hit, therefore unable to protect or defend himself, and contact is made on the back part of the body. When a player intentionally turns his body to create contact with his back, no penalty shall be assessed.

And what happens if supplementary discipline is needed? Well, there is a process for that too:

Rule 29 - Supplementary Discipline

29.1 Supplementary Discipline In addition to the automatic fines and suspensions imposed under these rules, the Commissioner may, at his discretion, investigate any incident that occurs in connection with any Pre-season, Exhibition, League or Playoff game and may assess additional fines and/or suspensions for any offense committed during the course of a game or any aftermath thereof by a player, goalkeeper, Trainer, Manager, Coach or non-playing Club personnel or Club executive, whether or not such offense has been penalized by the Referee.

If an investigation is requested by a Club or by the League on its own initiative, it must be initiated within twenty-four (24) hours following the completion of the game in which the incident occurred.

I can't really fault Damien for not being aware of these rules since it took me all of 15 seconds to google "NHL Rulebook" and another 30 to find the relevant entries. A multimedia star like Cox can't waste 45 seconds researching his opinion piece so that he doesn't look like an ignorant asshole.

The funny thing is that Damien had a much different reaction to Ryan Hollweg's dirty hit (similar in style, much less dangerous in its result): 

Let's be clear. This oaf on skates doesn't score goals, or set up plays, or generate a forecheck or even protect his teammates. Ever since he's been in the league, he has been known as a player who does one of three things every time he's on the ice:

1) Takes about 25 strides and charges an opponent.
2) Leaves his feet to hit an opponent.
3) Hits opponents from behind.

He's a dangerous, dangerous hockey player, and for all the wrong reasons. Everybody knew it before he got here after his years of playing for the Rangers. You might remember him as the player who helped Chris Simon snap last season. Well, snap the first time.

His proposed solution: A team imposed ban. For a franchise that is so much classier (kind of like being more maverick-y) than the rest of the league Cox has hit upon what they can do to continue to earn that self-anointed title: Suspend Kostopolous for as long as Mike Van Ryn will be out of action. Right now, the Leafs defenceman is out four to six weeks just for the broken pinky but his concussion is the big worry. As that article notes, Patrice Bergeron just returned this season after being put out by a similarly dirty hit. The penalty? two games.

But wait, if two strawmen are good then three strawmen would be great!

But others will differ, and some will suggest the play never would have happened if the Leafs had a goon in their lineup. Those people you'll never convince of anything, and the presence of Georges Laraque didn't stop the Leafs from steamrolling Carey Price on three separate occasions on Saturday night.

This continues Damien's crusade against fighting. Maybe he should tell his colleague Mark Zwolinski that he thinks that he's a dummy for suggesting that the Leafs bring up Andre Deveaux from the Marlies. Note the language he uses for the three times the Leafs came in contact with Jim Carey Price. "Steamrolling" Jim Carey Price three times? Grabovski went after a rebound and slid Price out of the way and Blake was hit into Price after his collision with a Habs defenceman. Of course, their intent was a good hockey play (going after a rebound) so we can ignore the outcome right? Oh, it's just another double standard for the Leafs? Quel surprise.

Finally, Damien manages to keep The Spin going with a nice admission that maybe Van Ryn isn't the C-level defender that he said he was just one post down the page:

The unfortunate thing for Van Ryn is that after missing time last year with wrist problems, his game was coming to together nicely in Toronto, and then this happens. Game's just not fair sometimes.

The real unfortunate result is that the real argument is being ignored thanks to Cox and his coterie of strawmen. What does the league have to do to eliminate these kinds of hits is what should be asked of people. One way is to signal an intent to deal severely with this kind of filth so that hits like Kostopolous' result in the league jumping on the offender with both feet.

It's a shame that someone that had such a great time slamming Hollweg (rightly) for his hit on Pietrangelo now thinks that it's all rainbows and mistaken intentions after a Leaf is left with a broken finger, nose, a serious concussion, and is facing an unknown amount of time on the sidelines. Yeah, the game's not fair sometimes but you can always count on The Omen never being fair.

Poll
Where should the Wheel of Justice end up? Not where it will end up but where it should.
No suspension because I have no concept of justice
3 votes
1-3 games because of no past history
29 votes
4-10 because it was a pretty clear assault
29 votes
11-20 because if the NHL ever wants to stop these hits they need more scapegoats than just Chris Simon
12 votes

73 votes | Poll has closed

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I was going to hit this one today...

…but there is nothing left to say that you haven’t covered here. Excellent work PPP.

by Kim Jorn on Nov 10, 2008 1:07 PM EST reply actions  

Bloc Signal

I couldn’t wait. I wanted to jump through the screen at Cox.

THAT’S WHAT SHE SAID!

Pension Plan Puppets: A Toronto Maple Leafs blog and a group therapy session.

by PPP on Nov 10, 2008 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Well said

PPP, another well reasoned point. Too bad Cox won’t pay attention, but maybe someone else will.

And while I voted for 11 – 20 games, and some will think that is only because I’m a Leafs fan, let me say this right here and now:

I’d have been for Hollweg getting the same number of games for his stupidity earlier this season. And if he ever is allowed to play again for the Leafs, and he does something similar, I’ll be leading the charge to suspend his ass for a quarter of the season.

Suspensions have to have balls if they are to be taken seriously.

And that, is what she said.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 1:18 PM EST reply actions  

agreed...

although i voted 4 – 10. Personally, I think if something warrants a suspension, then 10 should be the minimum games.

Anybody throws me against the boards I'm gonna piss all over myself.
The Left Coast Lock

by blurr1974 on Nov 10, 2008 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

i already feel sick today...

and reading el cox-hole didn’t help.

Anybody throws me against the boards I'm gonna piss all over myself.
The Left Coast Lock

by blurr1974 on Nov 10, 2008 1:18 PM EST reply actions  

Word

I saw Cox had an article on it (I avoid the Star sports section, but it was in the columns listing) and I couldn’t resist. I read, then puked, then looked up to the heavens in askance, then puked some more.

And the worst part? Is that people actually are swallowing that tripe, that Van Ryn did something wrong. He didn’t. He didn’t ‘turn into the check’ as some have alleged. He didn’t ‘change direction at the last second’. He continued on the path he was clearly on for 30 seconds before the hit.

I don’t know Kostopoulos, but I’ll assume he wasn’t trying to ‘really injure’ Van Ryn. Fine. But you did, and it is clealy against the rules, so sit the eff down and smarten up.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

the “turned at the last second” is the WEAKEST argument there is. Seriously, any of you ever say that in reference to Hollweg’s next hit from behind, I’ll go all Bruce Banner on you.

Hockey is Fast. Capital Crack Loving Methed up F. Anything that happens in one second, may as well not be happening. Anyone who uses that argument to absolve a play has either never played hockey, or never seen a game live. Van Ryn had his face to the boards the ENTIRE time, he didn’t turn into them. If he did, it still wouldn’t matter. Pieterangelo turned into the boards when Hollweg nailed him, and I still though it was weg’s fault. A hit to the back is the most dangerous play imagineable in hockey, especially at that speed, with that size of players. Not to mention the sharpened knives on everyone’s feet, and the rock hard playing surface…

but I digress. There really is no exuse for this kind of hit. I take Kostopolous at his word, in that he never meant to injure Van Ryn. He doesn’t strike me as that kind of player. I still think, on this play, he had more than enough opportunity to let up. Given their proximity to the end boards, his forearm shiver to “finish the check” was probably more instictual than attempt to injure, but that’s the piece the rules should address. Near the end boards, guys should not be flying into one another.

Anybody throws me against the boards I'm gonna piss all over myself.
The Left Coast Lock

by blurr1974 on Nov 10, 2008 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't hurt me!

I agree with you! On all fronts. It doesn’t matter if he did turn at the last second, but he didn’t, so bringing it up is moot. He didn’t do ANYTHING wrong. And I felt the same way about Hollweg. Also, even if you can’t stop, for the most part, you can do something to soften the blow.

As for the idea that it is instinct, well, if I can train my dog to not pee on the carpet, I’d like to think hockey players can learn not to deliver forearm shivs to their opponents. Call me an optimist.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

sorry...

wasn’t directed at you. just a generalization.

totally agree with you on those points, which is what i was trying to say…

Anybody throws me against the boards I'm gonna piss all over myself.
The Left Coast Lock

by blurr1974 on Nov 10, 2008 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

No worries...

just the threat of you going Bruce Banner was causing me to quiver in my boots, and I wanted to state up front that I’m with you. I blame my inability to be clear on my rage at Cox and Habs fans who defend that hit.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

in fact...

just add “I agree with Mabel” to the beginning of that.

Anybody throws me against the boards I'm gonna piss all over myself.
The Left Coast Lock

by blurr1974 on Nov 10, 2008 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

That's a good idea

In fact, everyone should add “I agree with Mabel” in front of all of their statements. I’m right about everything, and I know you agree.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 2:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Disagreed!!!

I’m rebel, cuz I’m just like that.

"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)

by Winkle on Nov 10, 2008 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Now now

Let’s not say things we can’t take back and make Mabel stabby.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Who would win in a stabby-contest?

Mabel or Blurr?

"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)

by Winkle on Nov 10, 2008 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

The following is a paid political message:

Do we even know if Blurr can actually get stabby? He’s threatened it, but so far, no stabby has taken place.

Mabel has a long history of getting stabby, and her track record indicates she’d wipe the floor with Blurr in a stabby-contest.

My name is Mabel, and I approve this message.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 3:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Blurr can be incited into stabbing-related violence

Especially if I tell his daughter that Santa cannot exist without violating the laws of physics.

"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)

by Winkle on Nov 10, 2008 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I Bark...

i’m all talk, unfortunately. Mabel can wipe the floor with me anytime she likes (twss, bcww!)

Anybody throws me against the boards I'm gonna piss all over myself.
The Left Coast Lock

by blurr1974 on Nov 10, 2008 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

You're just saying that

Cuz you don’t want me mathematically proving to your daughter that Santa is the greatest lie in the history of human civilization.

"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)

by Winkle on Nov 10, 2008 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

that...

and i’d rather not stab you.

Anybody throws me against the boards I'm gonna piss all over myself.
The Left Coast Lock

by blurr1974 on Nov 10, 2008 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Awww

Let’s hug

"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)

by Winkle on Nov 10, 2008 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

nothing says “i love you man” like not stabbing

Anybody throws me against the boards I'm gonna piss all over myself.
The Left Coast Lock

by blurr1974 on Nov 10, 2008 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

taking someone to the hospital after a stabbing says I love you quite nicely.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

i'm not letting Winkle bleed all over my car...

it’s a classic 1980 Citation. Mint Green interior. Why would I want to ruin that?

I kid…

Anybody throws me against the boards I'm gonna piss all over myself.
The Left Coast Lock

by blurr1974 on Nov 10, 2008 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

No

you call a taxi, take money out of his wallet, and then accompany him to the hospital, while in the front seat, so to avoid the blood.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I like the way

You both think

"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)

by Winkle on Nov 10, 2008 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

good call...

i always liked the “put them on a bicycle, tie the bike to the back of your car, pull them down the street, and then cut the rope as you near the ER” approach, but that’s just me

Anybody throws me against the boards I'm gonna piss all over myself.
The Left Coast Lock

by blurr1974 on Nov 10, 2008 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

That's good

but I don’t feel safe riding my bike in Toronto. Maybe I’ll just open the door of the cab and push ’em out as we near the ER. It would save me having to explain the stab wounds to the doctors. Nosy bastards…

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

1980 Citation?

Almost bought one of those. It was this odd sour-cream colour that I’d only ever seen on a ’79 Cutlass we used to have.

Shoulda bought it.

I did buy three Corvairs (not all at once).

Leaf, the universe and everything.

by 1967ers on Nov 10, 2008 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

true story...

i almost severed my middle finger on my left hand in a too crazy to be true bagel slicing accident. My parents car at the time was a 1980 Citation, and i ruined the upholstery on the way to the ER, forever ruining their chances of obtaining any kind of fair re-sell value.

Anybody throws me against the boards I'm gonna piss all over myself.
The Left Coast Lock

by blurr1974 on Nov 10, 2008 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

you must have had the posh velour interior

The Cutlass had vinyl. That’s the way to go, ’cept on a sunny day. Or a cold day.

Or pretty much any scenario that doesn’t involve bleeding.

Leaf, the universe and everything.

by 1967ers on Nov 10, 2008 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

ture

definitley not vinyl…

truth be told, what did they expect to get in return for a used citation anyways?

Anybody throws me against the boards I'm gonna piss all over myself.
The Left Coast Lock

by blurr1974 on Nov 10, 2008 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

That's the reason

I almost bought it. T’wasn’t pricey.

Leaf, the universe and everything.

by 1967ers on Nov 10, 2008 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I had a sweet ’76 Cutlass Supreme…canary yellow…went ridiculously fast. Not great on gas, amazingly enough…

by clark4calder on Nov 10, 2008 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Our Cutlass had the 6

and a wonky carb. It had trouble outrunning city buses.

Leaf, the universe and everything.

by 1967ers on Nov 10, 2008 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

my first car

was a 1974 (catch a theme here?) Toyota Corolla, 4 speed, i called the colour “Gobstopper yellow” becuase it had that oxidization effect that made it look powdery, like a gobstopper you sucked on, then took out of your mouth and let dry.

Anybody throws me against the boards I'm gonna piss all over myself.
The Left Coast Lock

by blurr1974 on Nov 10, 2008 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

The Cutlass was

the exact colour of road salt. The car never looked dirty.

At least until the holes started appearing.

My Corvair has been wearing the same coat of primer since 1971.

Leaf, the universe and everything.

by 1967ers on Nov 10, 2008 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

You're wussing out

on a stabby contest? Come on Blurr, man up!

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

if you don’t want blood on teh seat just strap him top the hood. Duh

Making stuff up since real Leafs news is far too depressing

by loser domi on Nov 10, 2008 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Brilliant! I’n always thinking inside the box, or in this case, car. But on the roof is the way to go. Good job LD.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

what can I say? I grew up in a family of avid deer hunters

Making stuff up since real Leafs news is far too depressing

by loser domi on Nov 10, 2008 7:04 PM EST up reply actions  

pssh, your supposed to clean em in the woods, saves getting your garage all messy

Because Taking The Leafs Seriously Is Not An Option

by JaredFromLondon on Nov 10, 2008 7:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Duh, I knew that. Clean them in the woods THEN strap to cars to get them in.

Or be an idiot like my cousin who spend three hours dragging one

Making stuff up since real Leafs news is far too depressing

by loser domi on Nov 10, 2008 7:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, using a car for deer hunting, I always used a truck, but now that makes sense.

Ive dragged my fair share of deer through miles of woods, but never for three hours, thats just not right.

Because Taking The Leafs Seriously Is Not An Option

by JaredFromLondon on Nov 10, 2008 7:16 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, he is kinda odd.

I personally don’t hunt, just because it’s so much friggin work and effort in the early morning and it’s cold…screw that, I’ll sleep

/hick fail

Making stuff up since real Leafs news is far too depressing

by loser domi on Nov 10, 2008 7:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I think

I’m far too much of a city-girl for this line of discussion. I recognize the words you two are using, but I had no idea they could be put together like that.

The only hunting I’m familiar with is bargain.

Should I look into getting less sheltered?

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 9:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Don’t change Mabel…

And the word order thing is pure gold…awesome that you use that ;)

by clark4calder on Nov 10, 2008 9:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Gotcha, no changing for Mabel. I’ll stay just as I am.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 10:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I feel more and more strongly

in my theory that Cox didn’t watch this whole game, he definitely missed the initial hit and this is fairly concrete evidence that he hasn’t watched the replay, and is basing his entire judgment solely on Kostopolous’ BS excuse of a lie

The only people I can see defending Kostopolous’ hit are the die-hard, rabid Habs fans who have lost all ability for reasoning.

Now I am tempted to get a Habs jersey with Cox’s name on the back, I just need a number… 67?

"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)

by Winkle on Nov 10, 2008 1:20 PM EST reply actions  

Hee. I like that idea muchly. Though my theory is that years ago, someone on the Leafs ran off with his wife, stole his car, and killed his dog, and he’s been bitter ever since.

But really, any money you give to the Leafs just supports their years of mediocrity, and you don’t want to do that, do you? You’re not a sheep, are you?

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Damien is from Hamilton, so the anti-Toronto thing is kind of bred into him.

Though my theory is that years ago, someone on the Leafs ran off with his wife, stole his car, and killed his dog, and he’s been bitter ever since.

Reminds me of the old joke about what happens when you play country music backwards – you get your car back, you get your dog back, you get your girl back….

Leaf, the universe and everything.

by 1967ers on Nov 10, 2008 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

He's from the Hammer?

Huh. That explains…well, some of it (I kid!)

But, and maybe I’m crazy here, but shouldn’t someone who covers sports for a particular city not be prejudiced against the team and/or city itself? And if they are born and bred with this distaste, maybe they aren’t the best choice, even if they can write (And yes, I recognize that Cox isn’t exactly a geniuis with the prose) as they won’t be able to do their job. Shouldn’t there be at least a pretense of objectivity? Anyone?

And Hamilton, I’ll make you this promise:

You take Cox back and bury him in the yard, and I’ll smooth things over with MLSE so you can get an NHL team. M’kay?

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I spent 5 years in Hamilton

Attending McMaster University.

A lot of Hamiltonians dislike the Leafs and blame them solely for their inability to obtain an NHL franchise.

"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)

by Winkle on Nov 10, 2008 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

i haven't been to hamilton in over 10 years...

but if it’s still anything at all like it was back then, i can think of quite a few other things to hate besides the leafs.

Anybody throws me against the boards I'm gonna piss all over myself.
The Left Coast Lock

by blurr1974 on Nov 10, 2008 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I was once

Told to “shut your f#$king mouth up” when I cheered a Leaf’s goal at a bar one night… against Philly.

I never went back.

"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)

by Winkle on Nov 10, 2008 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow

That’s just really grown up. Behaviour like that highlights why they should get their own NHL team, what with how they can handle competition and realize that sports are supposed to be fun.

I can’t wait till they get a team. I bet they’ll take tips from Ottawa city council and the Sens on how to get fans in the seats.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I see

Well, in that case, I conclude that a lot of Hamiltonians are devoid of sense and reason, and I’m surprised that natural selection hasn’t weeded them out of the gene pool.

And you know what? If I were them, I’d just buy a team and move it there, and then tell the Leafs/NHL to see them in court. I doubt the law would side with Toronto on Hamilton being in their region (or whatever term they use.)

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I imagine it is mutation due to the toxic effluent pumped into the harbour there that causes them to be kind of messed up. Lots of heavy metals around too.. Not just the Slayer variety.

by LeafFanInVan on Nov 10, 2008 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Get out of my mind

I read your line about heavy metals, and my brain said “Slayer”. You should either be flattered, or terrified that we seem to be on the same wavelength.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey now...

Before we go all “let’s bash the Hammer”, I’M from the Hammer…(though maybe that explains more than I care to admit).

I love the Hammer. There are some damn ugly parts of the city, and there are some damn stupid people – but you could say that about most places. The municipal government has fucked up at every possible turn, ensuring that the city stays on its knees. But I sure as hell hope that there is a visionary leader who can step up and turn that place around.

I don’t blame the Leafs for blocking the city from having a team – I blame local government’s lack of leadership, I blame a stagnant economy and inability to attract new industry (again, local gov’t), and I blame an arena that was hastily built to accomodate a team and is now badly undersized and unsuitable for NHL hockey.

There is something odd about the Hammer and TO sports though – Cox lives there, but so does Jeff Blair (he lives in the former home of a friend of mine) and I think Brunt does too…

HAMMER!!!

by clark4calder on Nov 10, 2008 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Used to visit the Hammer all the time. Can’t say I minded it.

Leaf, the universe and everything.

by 1967ers on Nov 10, 2008 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

You are?

Wow. That does explain a lot. I’m every so sorry, and am pleased to see you try to rise above your roots. Way to go!

Oh, I kid.

I don’t have anything against the Hammer (in principle) or you (…yet).

But if people there have nothing better to do than blame Toronto and spew invectives, well, I’ve got no use for them. They started it, but I can damn well finish it.

And really, in a battle of wits and sarcasm, I’m gonna win.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Which is why I fear you...

I mean, talk about showing up to a battle of wits unarmed…;)

I think we can all agree that the spewers of invective, no matter where they are from, deserve to die by your hand.

Thanks for the kind words – it took a lot of extra studying to triumph over my upbringing ;)

by clark4calder on Nov 10, 2008 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

You fear me?

Well, my work here is done.

I think we can all agree that the spewers of invective, no matter where they are from, deserve to die by [Mabel’s] hand

Now, if that doesn’t belong on a t-shirt, then my freezer has no vodka in it.

We’re all glad you’ve put in the effort. It must have been hard, but we’re proud.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Mabel is too cuddily

To be feared

"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)

by Winkle on Nov 10, 2008 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Moi?

Cuddly? Well, I suppose I am, but I also have claws, and a little fear isn’t a bad thing.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Whatevers

My cat had claws, and he was adorable as anything, as long as he wasn’t trying to tear your face off.

"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)

by Winkle on Nov 10, 2008 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

You’re all talk Winkle, you never even finished Jedi school!

But you make an excellent comparison. Just like your cat, I am adorable as anything, just so long as I’m not trying to tear your face off.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Well most women are like that

"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)

by Winkle on Nov 10, 2008 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

On behalf of my sex, hey!

But, if you don’t want us to claw your faces off, stop doing the stupid stuff you keep doing. It really is pretty simple.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm sorry

As a guy who has experienced the full spectrum of emotions a woman can go through during her menstrual cycle… over a period of 5 seconds…

No… just no… it’s a no-win situation for us.

"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)

by Winkle on Nov 10, 2008 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Sure it is

Because you are ALWAYS wrong. Live it, learn it, love it. :)

And again, I say hey! That’s a myth perpetuated in order to take the responsibility of women for their actions away from them, and make us into ‘poor little things that can’t control themselves’.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

i agree with Mabel...

because that’s what my wife tells me to do

Anybody throws me against the boards I'm gonna piss all over myself.
The Left Coast Lock

by blurr1974 on Nov 10, 2008 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Do what?

The whole “Live it, learn it, love it” part?

"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)

by Winkle on Nov 10, 2008 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

if that’s what my wife tells me, then yes. Whatever keeps the missus happy

PS – my wife maried beneath her, don’t tell her though… ;-)

Anybody throws me against the boards I'm gonna piss all over myself.
The Left Coast Lock

by blurr1974 on Nov 10, 2008 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Sigh.

Oh you men and your simple minds…

You are always wrong. That statement is something you should practice in your daily lives, emblazon onto your puny brains, and embrace as a common fact.

Do you understand now, or do you need some face time with sweet lady brick?

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

ok

yes please
whatever you say
that sounds good!
I love hanging out with your friends

whichever applies.

Anybody throws me against the boards I'm gonna piss all over myself.
The Left Coast Lock

by blurr1974 on Nov 10, 2008 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s better. You’re lucky you are on the west coast, otherwise you might be in for a reminder lesson.

Winkle and Clark can look forward to one of those in the near future. They’re getting a smidge too lippy for my taste.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

No

I zip me lips for a week when my GF tells me that its “that time of the month”.

Actually I’ll say “I’m sorry in advance, and I’ll talk to you next week”.

"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)

by Winkle on Nov 10, 2008 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Interesting

Not all women are like that. And I’m glad I’m one who isn’t like that. Bullet dodged!

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Ditto

I can almost always tell that I’m PMSing and 90% of that time I stop myself.

Everything else I apologize for.

by Karina on Nov 10, 2008 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Well

The warnings are good, I appreciate the warnings… I NEED THE WARNINGS.

Good lord the first time, she didn’t warn me, and holy shit I dug myself a hole so I deep I thought I was in China!!

Now she warns me, for my survivability sake.

"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)

by Winkle on Nov 10, 2008 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Come on…you dig the lip…the banter…the witty repartee…you don’t want dudes just bending to your whims now, do you??

by clark4calder on Nov 10, 2008 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Okay, fine. I enjoy the witty repartee and the banter. It makes my day. But that doesn’t mean that there doesn’t come a time when dudes should bend to my will. Can we agree on that?

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I suppose that given the right circumstances, lighting and state of inebriation, there most likely should come a time when dudes should bend to your will.

You have my conditional agreement.

by clark4calder on Nov 10, 2008 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I have to assume you are bating me, here, aren’t you? ;)

I have no need of lighting and a certain level of inebriation to bend dudes to my will. It just happens. They know when to fall in line. And they know it is totally worth it.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

There’s only one kind of baiting I do – and that wasn’t it. (Shut up – I enjoy fishing!).

Having known you now for several hundred comments, I can see where you are coming from.

Point taken. You win this round. But I’ll be back.

by clark4calder on Nov 10, 2008 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I win!

And I’m glad you’ve figured out that a comment like that is just an invitation, so good on you for putting it in yourself (TWSS/BCWW)

And as for the knowing me and seeing where I’m coming from, I’m going to assume that was supposed to be a compliment, and I’m taking it as such, even if it wasn’t.

I look forward to the rematch.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Indeed

And then I shall proclaim “the day is mine!”

And then I will get a lot of strange looks. What’s that? I’m getting them now?

I’ll be over here.

by clark4calder on Nov 10, 2008 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Now you're dreaming

There is no way, no day you’ll take the rematch. I’ll let you have your chance, but the day shall be mine.

And I think you’re probably always getting strange looks. I wouldn’t worry too much about it.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Come to think of it...

…you’re right. Dammit – there’s been wayyyy too much “Mabel is right” shit happening around here today.

by clark4calder on Nov 10, 2008 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Whuddya mean

there’s been too much ‘Mabel is right’. I think there’s been just the right amount.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Please. I’ve been holding back on all my rightness, so as to not make you all jealous. But seeing as you’re giving me all this lip, I’ll bring you the full brunt of it next time. Deal?

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Now

You just sound slutty

"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)

by Winkle on Nov 10, 2008 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

You've got a dirty mind

I meant that I’d help them with their taxes and such.

(Or possibly, thank you?)

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Cough cough

/points to self

cough former engineering student cough

"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)

by Winkle on Nov 10, 2008 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

In reply to your previous comment...

…bring forth this full brunt of which you speak. I shall be prepared.

(For some reason, I couldn’t reply to your other comment…)

by clark4calder on Nov 10, 2008 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess I really wanted the last word or something

But I’ll bring it. You can hope to be prepared. You won’t be, but you can hope.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Ahhh, the audacity of hope.

by clark4calder on Nov 10, 2008 5:03 PM EST up reply actions  

you didn’t read the comment I made where I likened myself to Sean Avery, in that I’m mouthy but don’t follow through when challenged to a fight, did you?

Just checking.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I did read that actually…but had forgotten about it.

Let’s do this thing! Gloves off…

by clark4calder on Nov 10, 2008 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Dammit!

Must stop giving away secrets to my opponents.

Gloves off… let’s get it on.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

ya...

i like it to…

Anybody throws me against the boards I'm gonna piss all over myself.
The Left Coast Lock

by blurr1974 on Nov 10, 2008 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Some of my friends from Uni

Are life-long Hamiltonians, and they told me that the general feeling in the city is that the Leafs are to blame for the city’s inability to obtain an NHL franchise.

So no, not everyone in Hamilton blames the Leafs, but a lot do even though my friends don’t.

And yes, the government there has issues… I think it has something to do with a mayor who publicly has well-known connections to the mob being a major factor. I’m not surprised though given that Hamilton has the 2nd highest land-tax in the country (2nd only to Montreal), yet the town constantly looks like it’s falling apart and ready to crumble any second, and town hall is always complaining about bankruptcy.

The mountains are fairly nice, RBG is beautiful. The east end is ghetto but the west end where the university is is quite decent, Dundas is also gorgeous.

"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)

by Winkle on Nov 10, 2008 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Surprised no one has done this....

HAMMERTIME!

Making stuff up since real Leafs news is far too depressing

by loser domi on Nov 10, 2008 2:41 PM EST up reply actions  

or this

Making stuff up since real Leafs news is far too depressing

by loser domi on Nov 10, 2008 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I was waiting for you to do it

You or Jared. I gotsa look out for my fanfic-keteers (we need a better name than that. And did we find people to fill the roles of the DA and chief of police?)

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Are you holding auditions?

I was a drama nerd in high school…I could read for something.

by clark4calder on Nov 10, 2008 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I think there are still roles open

Making stuff up since real Leafs news is far too depressing

by loser domi on Nov 10, 2008 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll read

And then will obsessively check the bulletin board in the hallway to see if the cast list has been posted.

by clark4calder on Nov 10, 2008 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Drama nerd?

Really? As a former drama nerd myself, I am qualified to judge your dramatic skillz. Now, quote me some Shakespeare off the top of your head.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

The only thing I know about Shakespeare

Is that everyone in his stories gets killed.

Freaking Hamlet was a blood-bath.

"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)

by Winkle on Nov 10, 2008 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

True

But do they always have to spew an 8-page long soliloquy before they die?

"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)

by Winkle on Nov 10, 2008 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Because they didn’t have CGI to illustrate the gore. The words had to do all the work.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

No CGI?

Those were truly the dark times.

"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)

by Winkle on Nov 10, 2008 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

They were indeed

No CGI, no wind machines, no animatronics. I don’t know how they survived.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

two words...

STAR WARS

not the rerelease crap either. OG Star Freakin Warz!

Anybody throws me against the boards I'm gonna piss all over myself.
The Left Coast Lock

by blurr1974 on Nov 10, 2008 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

C'mon

You cannot tell me that Hayden Christiensen wasn’t da bomb.

"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)

by Winkle on Nov 10, 2008 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

i can

and i did. Ewan on the other hand…

Anybody throws me against the boards I'm gonna piss all over myself.
The Left Coast Lock

by blurr1974 on Nov 10, 2008 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Jar-Jar

Made everything super-tastic

"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)

by Winkle on Nov 10, 2008 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Ahhhhh

No no no no no.

by Karina on Nov 10, 2008 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm going to be

The freaking Damien Cox of Star Wars

"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)

by Winkle on Nov 10, 2008 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I think we've

got ourselves a new insult. Instead of calling someone a moron, or idiot, or whatever, simply call them “The Damien Cox of [insert topic, area of discussion or what-have-you]”

Don’t use it lightly, however, as calling someone the DC of something isn’t easily retracted.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

We're sorry

Mabel is unable to comment as she was struck blind by the sentence “Jar Jar made everything super-tastic.”

We hope that with time and our best medical efforts, we will be able to return her to her previous glory.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Jar Jar Rocks

all you haters don’t get that Lucas was making a statement on interracial relations, and what better way to show your respect to another culture than to portray them as mildly retarded and terribly annoying?

Anybody throws me against the boards I'm gonna piss all over myself.
The Left Coast Lock

by blurr1974 on Nov 10, 2008 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly

There’s nothing bad about Jamaicans, because Star Wars saz so

"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)

by Winkle on Nov 10, 2008 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I was never big on Bill Shakespeare, but...

I did love this play…

“If you prick us, do we not bleed? if you tickle us, do we not laugh? if you poison us, do we not die? and if you wrong us, shall we not revenge?”

by clark4calder on Nov 10, 2008 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmmm

I don’t know, as a former drama nerd, you really should be able to quote Billy.

But, I suppose you pass.

I had to learn a speech for drama class in grade 9, and to this day, while intoxicated, I have been known to recite it for an audience.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s Billy, plain as day…I can quote him, I just didn’t dig him as much as some nerds.

You’re compiling quite a list of “things Mabel must do at PPPub nights”:

1. Tell more inappropriate stories about going to bars
2. Recite the grade 9 drama class speech

I still remember the lines, in German, that I had in the role of “Train Conductor” from our production of “Cabaret”. I can break those out for you if you like…

by clark4calder on Nov 10, 2008 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I know that was Billy

I have a lovely Riverside edition sitting on my desk right now.

I just expected something a little less well-known from a drama nerd. It was a badge of honour not to recite the usual lines. Or maybe that’s just me.

That list could get much longer, just gimme time to think about it.

And I would love nothing more than to hear your lines from Cabaret. So get ’em ready.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Fair enough...

In Hamilton, it was a sign of a beating to come if you recited ANYTHING by Shakespeare. I just stuck to the well-known stuff so that the beatings would be tempered somewhat.

“He’s a nerd…but a nerd with only perfunctory Shakespeare knowledge. Fuck him up just a little bit!”

Cabaret comin’ atcha…

by clark4calder on Nov 10, 2008 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

The east end

Does that to you

I always fascinated the kids in my class by my ability to recite the armament and performance specifications of most modern military aircraft…

Yes I was a weird little kid.

"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)

by Winkle on Nov 10, 2008 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, a weird ‘little kid’. Totally normal adult, but weird kid. Suuuure.

That’s a lot of stuff in your brain. Mine is still replete with song lyrics from anything from the 50s or 60s, large chunks of Shakespeare, simpsons quotes, details about the wars of the roses, and sports stats.

My brain hurts.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I read Wikipedia

During any spare time I have…

That’s all I gotta say.

"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)

by Winkle on Nov 10, 2008 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

creepy...

me to

Anybody throws me against the boards I'm gonna piss all over myself.
The Left Coast Lock

by blurr1974 on Nov 10, 2008 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Who doesn't like

Useless information?

"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)

by Winkle on Nov 10, 2008 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

i hate nobody...

stupid jerks, full of usefull information.

Anybody throws me against the boards I'm gonna piss all over myself.
The Left Coast Lock

by blurr1974 on Nov 10, 2008 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

There are some truly beautiful parts of the city. I actually did grow up in the east end, and there are even some great areas out that way (as long as you stay out of the northeast end).

It breaks my heart whenever I go back and go into downtown. There are still lots of gorgeous buildings from late 19th/early 20th century that are probably beyond saving now because the city has let them go to shit.

by clark4calder on Nov 10, 2008 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

That

is an insult to idiots everywhere

"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)

by Winkle on Nov 10, 2008 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

They’re too idiotic to know, so it’s cool

by LeafFanInVan on Nov 10, 2008 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

morons…

Making stuff up since real Leafs news is far too depressing

by loser domi on Nov 10, 2008 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Cox

I was reading that article, wondering “Hm, how is he going to find a way to tie this into his anti-fighting” stance. And at the end, it was like he couldn’t do it so he just gave up and threw it in anyways.

If you want to argue that the hit was OK, you can’t turn around and criticize Hollweg for doing it for the “zillionth time”. If it’s dirty, it’s dirty no matter how many times a player does it. Repeat offenders deserve harsher suspensions for sure, but it doesn’t magically switch over from clean to dirty after the fifth time.

Unless, of course, you only want to criticize the Leafs who do it, which of course if the whole point.

Down Goes Brown - Because it's technically possible that things may get better before we all die.

by Down Goes Brown on Nov 10, 2008 1:31 PM EST reply actions  

How sad is it that you can read it and you can guess what he’s going to say?

Pension Plan Puppets: A Toronto Maple Leafs blog and a group therapy session.

by PPP on Nov 10, 2008 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I said “should” be 4-10. “Will,” I’m betting, is two or less.

I read the title of this and thought, “Now, what’s he dumping on Chris Kotsopoulos for?”

Leaf, the universe and everything.

by 1967ers on Nov 10, 2008 1:32 PM EST reply actions  

I thought

that Uncle Jesse had finally lost it and attacked Joey.

by Kim Jorn on Nov 10, 2008 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Cut
It
Out

Sports And The City

A Toronto sports blog, where we unequivocally and unapologetically support the home team...

by eyebleaf on Nov 10, 2008 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Cut
It
Out

Funny those kids from Full House never followed the same advice when it came to the drugs.

by bkblades on Nov 10, 2008 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m not up on my entertainment news. Did those kids end up druggies? I must know!

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

they are former child stars,. so at least ONE must have ended up on drugs at one point. It’;s scientific fact.

Making stuff up since real Leafs news is far too depressing

by loser domi on Nov 10, 2008 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

But which one? DJ? Kimmie? The middle unloved one? The twins?

I can’t rest without these pertinent details!

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Stephanie

overcame a drug addiction (coke maybe…) to become an absolute fox.
DJ is married to Valeri Bure.
The Olsen twins are rail thin, look weird, and somehow still rich and famous.

Pension Plan Puppets: A Toronto Maple Leafs blog and a group therapy session.

by PPP on Nov 10, 2008 2:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought Stephanie was a meth head, but maybe coke.

Unfortunately I have to get to class, so someone else has to fill in teh role of Domipedia for this one.

Making stuff up since real Leafs news is far too depressing

by loser domi on Nov 10, 2008 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

then and now...

Anybody throws me against the boards I'm gonna piss all over myself.
The Left Coast Lock

by blurr1974 on Nov 10, 2008 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh

Those are so fake.

"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)

by Winkle on Nov 10, 2008 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

And I could care less…yowzah!

Pension Plan Puppets: A Toronto Maple Leafs blog and a group therapy session.

by PPP on Nov 10, 2008 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, they look fine, but real is better.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

for some reason...

i read that as

Yeah, they look fine, but real is butter.

Anybody throws me against the boards I'm gonna piss all over myself.
The Left Coast Lock

by blurr1974 on Nov 10, 2008 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Real is LIKE buttah…

by clark4calder on Nov 10, 2008 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Photoshop’d!

Making stuff up since real Leafs news is far too depressing

by loser domi on Nov 10, 2008 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Tru dat. But then again, almost every pic is photoshopped, so that almost goes without saying.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly. Real is like buttah. And I would know.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

There you go baiting me again ;)

by clark4calder on Nov 10, 2008 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Well

I don’t fish, so that’s the only kind of baiting I do.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Everyone needs a hobby. Would you deny me mine? ;)

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Not for a second…I’m an excellent hobby helper ;)

by clark4calder on Nov 10, 2008 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

That you are. And it is appreciated.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I have no doubt that it is. ;)

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 4:40 PM EST up reply actions  

“go way! baitin’!”

Making stuff up since real Leafs news is far too depressing

by loser domi on Nov 10, 2008 6:53 PM EST up reply actions  

i dunno

there would have to be some extensive research done before we can pass judgement..

Anybody throws me against the boards I'm gonna piss all over myself.
The Left Coast Lock

by blurr1974 on Nov 10, 2008 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Call me insane

But I find fake boobs to be a turn-off… I automatically think of “porn star” when I think “fake boobs” followed by “diseased/unclean” then “ewwww”.

"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)

by Winkle on Nov 10, 2008 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

of course...

extensive research is required before coming to the conclusion of them being fake…

Anybody throws me against the boards I'm gonna piss all over myself.
The Left Coast Lock

by blurr1974 on Nov 10, 2008 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I know I know

And you’re first in line to volunteer for that job right?

"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)

by Winkle on Nov 10, 2008 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Take one for the team, blurr ;)

by clark4calder on Nov 10, 2008 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

i would

but i’m happily married to my own fox. PPP can be lead scientist for this expedition.

Anybody throws me against the boards I'm gonna piss all over myself.
The Left Coast Lock

by blurr1974 on Nov 10, 2008 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Observer status?

Have you ever wondered what its like to be a cameraman on a p* flick? I mean wouldn’t it be awkward?

"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)

by Winkle on Nov 10, 2008 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

dude..

i’m not queer or nothing, but you’ve got a nice ass

Anybody throws me against the boards I'm gonna piss all over myself.
The Left Coast Lock

by blurr1974 on Nov 10, 2008 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I’;d so work boom mic or something in porn. You know, If I did porn at all

Making stuff up since real Leafs news is far too depressing

by loser domi on Nov 10, 2008 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Ld

have you been drinking?

again?

"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)

by Winkle on Nov 10, 2008 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah IF you did porn. Oh, wait, we weren’t supposed to talk about that, were we?

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

looking at that picture, it’s kinda creepy the way the two pics are side by side there.

Anybody throws me against the boards I'm gonna piss all over myself.
The Left Coast Lock

by blurr1974 on Nov 10, 2008 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes

That is why I refrained from dirty thoughts or comments because I’ll glance slightly over and be forced to promptly call for the police and surrender to them when they arrive

"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)

by Winkle on Nov 10, 2008 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Valeri

Whenever someone mentions Valeri Bure, I always think about when the all-star game was in TO a few years back. They had miked Lindros, and he and someone else were sitting on the bench making fun of Valeri, saying “hey…Waleri…over here Waleri” in fake Russian accents. Nowhere near as funny as I’m sure they thought it was, but that always pops into my head.

by clark4calder on Nov 10, 2008 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Olsen Twins

Their lines of clothing that they endorse has been linked to child labour. That is why they’re rich, they’re living off the suffering of third-world-orphans.

"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)

by Winkle on Nov 10, 2008 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks

I can rest easy now. You are a veritable font of information.

You can play the role of Domipedia whist LD is in class.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Flip, meet flop

Read Cox’s pantload on the Kostopoulos hit, and then read this from just a few weeks back on the Hollweg hit on Pietrangelo.

http://thestar.blogs.com/thespin/2008/10/pointless.html

I actually agreed with him on Hollweg – how can he do a 180 and turn into a fucking apologist for anyone who hits from behind. What’s that? Oh, right – he’s Damien Cox.

by clark4calder on Nov 10, 2008 3:01 PM EST reply actions  

Yup

PPP pointed this out already in this post… it was the whole of it actually.

"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)

by Winkle on Nov 10, 2008 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh crap...

…you know, it always helps to read the WHOLE post, rather than just the teaser before the jump.

Well, I did tell everyone I was from Hamilton.

Ha – wow, PPP’s post is even better than I thought ;)

by clark4calder on Nov 10, 2008 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Knowledge is power!!!

"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)

by Winkle on Nov 10, 2008 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Indeed...

…in other news, Howard Berger thinks WE are to blame! Can you believe that shit??? Somebody should start a petition or something.

by clark4calder on Nov 10, 2008 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Breaking news!

The Habs are dirty, the Sens whiny and the rest of Canada has a complex when it comes to Toronto.

You’re welcome folks, I’m here to help.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

what!?!

There’s more to Canada than Toronto!?

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by blurr1974 on Nov 10, 2008 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I was under the assumption that there was nothing but blackness and void outside of Toronto

Like you know how we all used to think the world was flat and you’ll just fall off the universe if you sailed too far? I always thought that would happen if we drove outside of Toronto.

"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)

by Winkle on Nov 10, 2008 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

me to

i met a guy down here (we’re actually good friends now) who claims he’s from somewhere called “BeeSee” in a town named “Quel OwnA.” I assumed he meant something in France, because I’ve never heard of BeeSee

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by blurr1974 on Nov 10, 2008 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

No, there's stuff

outside Toronto. If you look at the map, it clearly says: “Here be dragons” as soon as you get outside the GTA.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn't mind

Some siren loving though

"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)

by Winkle on Nov 10, 2008 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Leave it to you

to bring a touch of culture and grace to this thread. Good job!

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

“Here there be sea mostres”

Making stuff up since real Leafs news is far too depressing

by loser domi on Nov 10, 2008 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

:(

my button shortcuts to navigate through the comments (like Z, etc.) aren’t working :( :(

by Karina on Nov 10, 2008 3:28 PM EST reply actions  

using IE?

mine get a little minarded at times

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by blurr1974 on Nov 10, 2008 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

yes

stupid work requirements for browsers
when will large corporations finally realize that IE sucks???

by Karina on Nov 10, 2008 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Um, never?

Just a conservative guess.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

:(

probably true…..
everything seems to be working now.

though, I noticed that i don’t need admin rights to install software, so I may just install firefox for my own benefits…

by Karina on Nov 10, 2008 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Until IT

makes your computer blow up!

"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)

by Winkle on Nov 10, 2008 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

i dunno

i work for a pretty big company, and they let me install iTunes, haven’t tried Firefox yet. i’d spend all my time customizing it…

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by blurr1974 on Nov 10, 2008 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Nah

IT is pretty cool here. Just as long as you don’t go using up all the network space, it’s not bad.

by Karina on Nov 10, 2008 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

They block YouTubers!

So I have no choice but to resort to PPP to kill time at work

"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)

by Winkle on Nov 10, 2008 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Last week

they didn’t block YouTube…
but as of lunch today it seems to be blocked :(

by Karina on Nov 10, 2008 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

How will you see all the links that LD, Jared and others post? Did they give no thought to your needs? I’d see HR about that right quick if I were you.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Imagination

Power stuff

"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)

by Winkle on Nov 10, 2008 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Nevermined

YouTube is back.

by Karina on Nov 10, 2008 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I would hate you

But then Mabel would get jealous

"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)

by Winkle on Nov 10, 2008 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn't get jealous

I’d think you were wrong for hating Karina, and possibly have to go upside your head, but no jealousy for Mabel.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm on to you

I know womenz means the opposite of what they say!

"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)

by Winkle on Nov 10, 2008 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

so

she’d be jealous, but think you were right, and would go outdown your head?

Anybody throws me against the boards I'm gonna piss all over myself.
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by blurr1974 on Nov 10, 2008 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

exactly

"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)

by Winkle on Nov 10, 2008 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Yup. That's exactly it.

[I’d] be jealous, but think you were right, and would go outdown your head

I say what I mean. Except when I’m being sarcastic. I think it is clear when I’m doing that.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Your feminine-hood

Is in doubt Mabel

"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)

by Winkle on Nov 10, 2008 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

My feminine-hood is in doubt?

Is that some sort of challenge? I don’t have to prove anything to you.

But if you really require it, I’m sure I can find people to give me some detailed testimonials.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Testimonials?

That’s like the paid actors on infomercials, except instead of paying them they’re doing it in exchange for their life.

"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)

by Winkle on Nov 10, 2008 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Are you and me gonna have a problem?

What is it gonna take? Am I going to have to get arrested for indecent exposure (again) in order for you to believe me?

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

i wuz being sarcastic too...

why you be all up in my grill fo’?

Anybody throws me against the boards I'm gonna piss all over myself.
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by blurr1974 on Nov 10, 2008 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I like your grill?

Maybe that’s it? Or maybe I just like poking ya. That could be it too.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

it’s cuz my grill is all emo isn’t it?

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by blurr1974 on Nov 10, 2008 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

You’re damn right. I can’t resist an emo grill. Sigh.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

would it help

if i grew a beard and got all grizzly adams? would that cure you of your emo ♥

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by blurr1974 on Nov 10, 2008 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Growing a beard?

No. I like a well-trimmed beard. But going all Grizzly Adams would do it. The Grizzly brings back bad memories, aside from being gross.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

How will you see all the links that LD, Jared and others post? Did they give no thought to your needs? I’d see HR about that right quick if I were you.

just for that I try to remember to put a little description of what it is after the link. You know, for my fans

Making stuff up since real Leafs news is far too depressing

by loser domi on Nov 10, 2008 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

You’re a real Muncie girl, LD…

by clark4calder on Nov 10, 2008 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Nicely done. I’m impressed.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

The hell

Is a Muncie girl?

"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)

by Winkle on Nov 10, 2008 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

winkle's the reason

Ponikarovsky ruined the Ozone layer

Anybody throws me against the boards I'm gonna piss all over myself.
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by blurr1974 on Nov 10, 2008 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Howard Berger

no longer blames Leaf fans for the team’s fortunes. He only blames Winkle.

by clark4calder on Nov 10, 2008 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm glad

people are finally speaking up. Throw off the yoke of Winkle’s tyranny!

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

i secretly ♥ Winkle...

Anybody throws me against the boards I'm gonna piss all over myself.
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by blurr1974 on Nov 10, 2008 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Dood

Call me

/makes-call-me-guesture

"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)

by Winkle on Nov 10, 2008 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

And you

What with all the Blurr-love? I have feelings, you know.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

You want Mabel-love?

But I’m afraid you’ll stab me… I’ve read about you and your kind on Wikipedia under the article titled “widow-maker”

"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)

by Winkle on Nov 10, 2008 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, I want Mabel-love

I don’t stab people unless they give me cause. You won’t do that, will you?

And I haven’t checked that article recently. What’s my body count up to now?

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I think we can all agree that there’s plenty of Mabel-love up in here…

by clark4calder on Nov 10, 2008 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

it's true

i’m Mabel loving right now

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by blurr1974 on Nov 10, 2008 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Nah

Too easy

"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)

by Winkle on Nov 10, 2008 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

i don't get assists

unless you take the shots…

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by blurr1974 on Nov 10, 2008 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not

Blake

"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)

by Winkle on Nov 10, 2008 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

since when

did Blake ever take the easy tap in.

on a play that easy, he’d scoop up the puck, skate back to the red line, stop, loop up at the goalie, look down at the puck, stick his tongue out of his mouth as he concentrates really hard, breath through his mouth and then let a weak wrister go, aimed directly at the goalies chest.

Anybody throws me against the boards I'm gonna piss all over myself.
The Left Coast Lock

by blurr1974 on Nov 10, 2008 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

good point

i’ll keep that in mind next time

"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)

by Winkle on Nov 10, 2008 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Just so long

as there’s Mabel-loving (and a large amount of it) going on, I’m fine.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Is there going to be a Winkle/blurr hug a la Antro/poni style? cuz I’d love to see it

Making stuff up since real Leafs news is far too depressing

by loser domi on Nov 10, 2008 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Me too! Pics or it didn’t happen.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

pics?

girls, we’re working on a full length feature film. LD can even do sound… :P

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by blurr1974 on Nov 10, 2008 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

do you offer on the job training? Cuz I dunno if I could actually work the boom mic. I was speaking hypothetically

Making stuff up since real Leafs news is far too depressing

by loser domi on Nov 10, 2008 6:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Shhh

Don’t say anything – you’ll queer the deal and we’ll never get our feature film.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 9:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t wanna sound queer or nothing, but I think unicorns are kick ass

Making stuff up since real Leafs news is far too depressing

by loser domi on Nov 10, 2008 9:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Unicorns are totally kick ass. You are soooo smart.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 9:23 PM EST up reply actions  

What's with this?

Why are you sucking up to Winkle? Why aren’t you trying to win my approval?

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

ummm...

I secretly ♥ Mabel? and Winkle?

♪i love the whole wide world, and all the blue and white…♫

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The Left Coast Lock

by blurr1974 on Nov 10, 2008 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

He knows

Where the money’s at

"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)

by Winkle on Nov 10, 2008 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

He must be stopped!

He also pals around with terrorists.

by clark4calder on Nov 10, 2008 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I think...

it’s because they are working on something here to do with the ads.

Pension Plan Puppets: A Toronto Maple Leafs blog and a group therapy session.

by PPP on Nov 10, 2008 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Mawhahaha

Your ads has no effect on my firefox!

Open Source Hurrah!

"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)

by Winkle on Nov 10, 2008 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Firefox's

pop up blocker software is amazing. They’ve also got an ad blocker that blocks out all the imbedded ads on a page. IE needs to wake up…

Anybody throws me against the boards I'm gonna piss all over myself.
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by blurr1974 on Nov 10, 2008 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Adblock Extension baby

I would so married and tap that thing if it were legal

"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)

by Winkle on Nov 10, 2008 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I fear you. And the human-software superrace you would subject us to.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

And this is when I'm sober

You’ve yet to seen me drunk

"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)

by Winkle on Nov 10, 2008 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

That is an event

I look forward to with great anticipation.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

hmm.

Tough call.

A reckless and irresponsible hit, but I’m not so sure it was that malicious.

Van Ryn fakes curling around the net and stops suddenly facing the end boards. I think we underestimate just how quickly incidents like these unfold. It was a split second that Kostopoulos had to register VR’s change in course and try to react to it. But he did not seem to show any sort of restraint, as you said PPP.

No player is ever at fault for getting rammed into the end boards, but what VR did is exactly what you’re told not to do in minor hockey. The smart play was to follow up on his curl around the net.

by AlecB on Nov 10, 2008 4:15 PM EST reply actions  

Malice was most likely not involved

But that doesn’t make it right. And I’m sorry, but I don’t see this “change of direction”. Even if I did, I’d still side with “don’t hit people from behind into the boards with a forearm shiv”. And if the roles were reversed, I’d still be all for a suspension. I don’t want players injured if there is any way to stop it.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

re

VR starts to swing his body as if he’s going to head behind the net and stops while facing the boards. It seems to me that TK was reacting to that turn that VR fakes.

by AlecB on Nov 10, 2008 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Reacting with a forearm shiv?

Cuz that still isn’t the way the game is played. I don’t think he wanted to hurt him, but he did, and in doing so, broke a number of rules. He should be suspended. You need to make the punishment hurt, in the hopes that he (and the countless others who do the same thing) will learn better behaviour.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 4:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I hear what you're saying Alec...

…but if TK thought VR was going behind the net, why didn’t he follow suit and make a left turn? If VR had gone behind the net would TK have thrown himself into the boards?

I do agree that these things happen quickly, and you can see from the look on TK’s face that he didn’t mean to hit him that way. But he did mean to hit him and knock him off the puck.

by clark4calder on Nov 10, 2008 4:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I have to respectfully disagree

I just watched the replay again, and if you watch carefully right up to the hit, you can clearly see Kostopolous started to lean forward as he skated into Van Ryn.

He leaned forward, that means he put his fucking weight into the check. Didn’t mean to hit him that way? That’s completely bullshit. If the intention was not to slam him into the boards, Kostopolous would’ve got into the hit with his body straight, when you lean forward you’re putting your weight into it and that means the hit was fucking intentional in all its form.

"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)

by Winkle on Nov 10, 2008 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

You may have a point...

…I just watched it again too. Just before he hits Van Ryn, TK does lean forward, and brings his hands up, and then kind of propels forward through Van Ryn, into the boards. So yeah, I think I was incorrect in saying that he didn’t mean to hit him that way. He did.

The look on his face post-hit indicates to me that he was locked in and doing what he thinks his job is, only realizing afterwards what the outcome was.

Either way, we can debate intent/non-intent all day. I think we can all agree it was a dirty hit and it has to stop, regardless of what the player means to do.

by clark4calder on Nov 10, 2008 4:48 PM EST up reply actions  

“The look on his face post-hit indicates to me that he was locked in and doing what he thinks his job is, only realizing afterwards what the outcome was.”

For sure.

by AlecB on Nov 10, 2008 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

i agree..

and i don’t.

Van Ryn changed direction because the play was blocked off. Tk came into the boards full bore, he should have let up long before he got there. His intial intent was to finish his check, and I give him full marks for playing the body, but he knew how close to the end boards they were long before Van Ryn ever turned and changed direction.

That’s the piece that needs to be taught all the way down to midget. Respect the player, play the puck in those positions. Playing the body in open ice is good hockey, but down against the boards, too many scary things have happened.

All that said, I totally agree that all of this happened so quickly, it’s much easier to say what could have happened, when truth be told, the game is so fast, and the players react more instinctually than via a plan. That just goes back to my original thought of in how the game is coached…

Anybody throws me against the boards I'm gonna piss all over myself.
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by blurr1974 on Nov 10, 2008 4:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Split second?

TSN has a good clip showing Van Ryn and Kostopolous’ hit including 4 seconds before. Van Ryn started heading towards the boards with Kostopolous on his tail for a full 3 seconds. During this entire time, the replay shows Van Ryn always had his back to Kostopolous, Van Ryn turned his head back once to see to Kostopolous coming at him about 2 seconds before the hit. At no point did Van Ryn change his direction, nor did Kostopolous.

Kostopolous had ample time to react, 3 seconds is a freaking lot, in traffic design we use 2.5 seconds as a conservative reaction time for your average driver, because more then 80% of the population has a reaction time lower then that. 3 seconds was way more unless Kostopolous has some sort of mental illness. The replay also showed Kostopolous had his arms up and out.

This isn’t a tough call, not even remotely. Intent to injure? Perhaps not, but Kostopolous knew what he was doing, the hit from behind into the boards was absolutely there, the evidence is clear-cut, the intention to hit Van Ryn into the boards was there.

"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)

by Winkle on Nov 10, 2008 4:26 PM EST up reply actions  

good point

perhaps Kostopolous has a case of the Jar-Jars?

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by blurr1974 on Nov 10, 2008 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly

You’ve summed it up perfectly, Winkle. Except for the traffic design part because I don’t know anything about that, this is exactly what I’ve been trying to tell people who read and repeat The Omen as if he’s some sort of expert, which he clearly isn’t. Kostopolous followed him in from the blueline and never saw anything but numbers.

by Screaming Will on Nov 10, 2008 4:36 PM EST up reply actions  

just my opinion.

You can’t knowingly hit from behind and not have an intent to injure (unless I’m misinterpreting your last paragraph).

Play the video and count the seconds, TK should have shown more restraint as the pace at which he is barreling down on VR is very reckless… but that’s your typical fourth liner trying to leave his mark. His pace only confirms the point that there wasn’t malicious intent. There was no relenting at that speed, which makes it reckless. I don’t think there’s intent to injure here.

by AlecB on Nov 10, 2008 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

That's the whole point

that’s your typical fourth liner trying to leave his mark

That’s the type of thing that needs to stop. No one should think that can help them keep a job.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 4:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Not quite

I do not believe Kostopolous meant to hurt Van Ryn, he was overly gung-ho on the hit, and I will give him the benefit on the doubt that he underestimated the impact of his hit, he intented to hit but didn’t think he would hurt Van Ryn that badly. Not an excuse though.

Also you proved my point, it doesn’t matter who you are, no one is going to skate full speed and barrel into the boards straight on, NO ONE. I have never seen any hockey player do that, if they do go barreling into the boards, they always turn either to the side or around so they hit the boards on the side or back, no one barrels into the board so they can get a face full of glass, it’s pure instinct. The fact that Kostopolous went into it straight on means he knew and intended to end up with Van Ryn between himself and the boards, that’s the only explanation.

I already said, Kostopolous wasn’t trying to hurt Van Ryn, but he did intend to check into the boards hard from behind, but underestimated the impact of his hit.

"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)

by Winkle on Nov 10, 2008 4:48 PM EST up reply actions  

RE

I’m simply pointing out that there isn’t intent to injure on TK’s part. I’m not opposed 3 game suspension for being incredibly reckless.

If the NHL wants to seriously crack down on these incidents, they’ll dish out 3 games for dangerous play, not just when the victim is sidelined as a result of the play.

by AlecB on Nov 10, 2008 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

typo

to 3 game suspensions*

by AlecB on Nov 10, 2008 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Determining intent isn’t an easy thing to do, and when you get right down to it, all you can judge people on is their actions and the results. You can’t really know what he wanted to do, so you can’t really go light on him because he didn’t mean it.

3 game suspensions aren’t any sort of deterrent. Start suspensions at 10 games and then maybe people will start training themselves out of the bad behaviour.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

A perfect example is the Kostitsyn (I think) hit-from-behind on Stajan in the Leafs’ prior game against the Habs. That was worse than what TK did Saturday. The fact that Stajan (fortunately) wasn’t seriously injured should take nothing away from the sheer danger of what that Tit pulled:

That’s suspension-worthy.

by AlecB on Nov 10, 2008 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I whole-heartedly disagree

Tit’s hit is from behind and can be constituted as “dirty” but two points;

1) His elbows were down, he checked Stajan with his shoulders
2) There is no clear indication that Tit leaned into the hit, in fact the lead-up to the hit in the video showed that Tit went in straight

You can make the argument that Tit was just skating really hard and ran into Stajan with too much speed. Sorry but I don’t see how this hit was worst then Van Ryn’s injury or not.

"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)

by Winkle on Nov 10, 2008 6:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I see your point. And it is true that sometimes suspensions don’t happen because the player wasn’t injured. That must change. Just because no one got hurt on that hit once, doesn’t mean someone won’t get hurt the next time, and if there isn’t a suspension, you can bet there will be a next time.

I like hockey hits, but there’s a limit.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 5:03 PM EST up reply actions  

In a 6-1 game to boot. Disgusting.

by AlecB on Nov 10, 2008 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Tits for Tats...

i think, regardless the player, be it a 4th liner or a 1st liner, the hit from behind shows a complete lack of respect for your opponent. Even if, after the game you say al the right things like “golly gee whiz, i had no idea that skating full bore into that guy with my 200+ pound frane and pasting his face into the glass would actually HURT him.”

that’s worse than the “I’m sorry you feel that way” apology, which puts the onus of the offense back on the individual you’re supposed to be apologizing to. If he said: “I was just finishing my check, it all happened so fast” I’d totally agree with him, but not this half assed attempt to absolve himself of any wrong doing.

Also, i like how there’s two ‘tits on the Habs. Symetrical and appealing to my juvenile inner 5 year old sense of humour. Now when they play, I’ll think boobies…

Anybody throws me against the boards I'm gonna piss all over myself.
The Left Coast Lock

by blurr1974 on Nov 10, 2008 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm sorry you feel that way, Blurr

Heh. You’re right. Be honest, not all “aw shucks I didn’t think you’d get hurt when I hit you”

And really? Do you think you’re as mature as a 5 year old?

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 5:18 PM EST up reply actions  

boobies…

Anybody throws me against the boards I'm gonna piss all over myself.
The Left Coast Lock

by blurr1974 on Nov 10, 2008 5:20 PM EST up reply actions  

SUSPENSION ANNOUNCED

Purse-snatcher gets three games. Way to crack down guys!

He could have got nothing, I guess.

by Godd Till on Nov 10, 2008 4:44 PM EST reply actions  

i feel safer already...

Anybody throws me against the boards I'm gonna piss all over myself.
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by blurr1974 on Nov 10, 2008 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

That'll learn him!

Or, most likely, that won’t learn him, or anyone else. But I suppose you are right and it is better than nothing.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Didn't Hollweg

only get 2 games? Or am I remembering wrong?

by Karina on Nov 10, 2008 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

He got 2 for his hit in the pre-season and then 3 for his hit on Pietrangelo. Those were automatic suspensions for accumulating game misconducts. He didn’t actually get any supplementary discipline.

by clark4calder on Nov 10, 2008 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

And he should have, in my mind. He does dangerous stuff and is lucky that no one has been too seriously injured (at least, as far as I know) by his actions. Throw the book at people who do that type of stuff.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree. A suspension of 5 games or less really does nothing to send a message. I liked where they were going with the big suspensions to Simon and Downie.

3 games for anything serious enough to warrant suspension is pointless.

by clark4calder on Nov 10, 2008 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t get why they occasionally give out big(ish) suspensions and then back off. You have to be consistent, whether you are training a puppy, boyfriend or hockey player.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd agree

Especially for his hit on Pieterangelo. That was dirty, and they shoulda tacked on some more games if the 3 games was just an automatic suspension for being a repeat offender.

by Karina on Nov 10, 2008 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

What about

if there were set suspensions for a hit like that, say 10 games, and if you are a repeat offender (Hollweg, I’m looking in your direction here) then you get an additional 3-5 games added on top of the 10, just for being a dumbass who doesn’t learn?

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

yup

‘Weg should still be sitting for that hit I think. If he was, the decision on TK would probably landed more in our court, and he’d be seeing something closer to ten games.

Anybody throws me against the boards I'm gonna piss all over myself.
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by blurr1974 on Nov 10, 2008 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

But this IS the NHL we’re dealing with here…these ideas make far too much sense.

by clark4calder on Nov 10, 2008 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Once again, Damien nails it...

“He probably will get at least one game off, however, for making that play…”

His wisdom and sagacity continue to astound.

by clark4calder on Nov 10, 2008 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

The bravery you continue to display

in reading Cox is breathtaking. I’m in awe.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I should know better…

by clark4calder on Nov 10, 2008 4:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Probably. But look at it this way, maybe we’ll award you a medal for your valour in service.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Really?

I’m actually looking for a butler at present…

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

And your search shall continue…

by clark4calder on Nov 10, 2008 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Aw, come on, I need a butler… :(

(Mabel goes off into the corner and weeps)

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Thaaaat’s it…go cry yerself to sleep on your uuuuge pillow..

by clark4calder on Nov 10, 2008 5:16 PM EST up reply actions  

“No kidding. His head’s like Sputnik. Spherical, but quite pointy in parts.”

Anybody throws me against the boards I'm gonna piss all over myself.
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by blurr1974 on Nov 10, 2008 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

“It’s like an orange on a toothpick…”

by clark4calder on Nov 10, 2008 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Aw thanks

I’ll forgive you not being my butler on account of the awesome So I married… quoting.

Mabel is pleased.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 5:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Cool...

…I’m 2 for 2 with you on my quoting skills today ;)

by clark4calder on Nov 10, 2008 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

"Move that melon of yours and get the paper if you can, hauling that gargantuan cranium about! "

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by blurr1974 on Nov 10, 2008 5:23 PM EST up reply actions  

“Head. Down. Now.”

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

"Woman… woe-man… whoooa-man. She was a thief, you got to belief, she stole my heart and my cat. Judy, Betty, Josie and those hot Pussycats… they make me horny, on Saturday morny… girls of cartoo-ins will leave me in ruins… I want to to be Betty’s Barney. Hey Jane… get me off this crazy thing… called love. "

Anybody throws me against the boards I'm gonna piss all over myself.
The Left Coast Lock

by blurr1974 on Nov 10, 2008 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Rousing standing ovation with much applause.

I’m finger snapping along with ya.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

You are

and I’m suitably impressed. Good luck with the game tonight!

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

again...

i saw “butter”…must be lacking in dairy or something at the moment…

Anybody throws me against the boards I'm gonna piss all over myself.
The Left Coast Lock

by blurr1974 on Nov 10, 2008 5:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Do you need someone

to send you a giant vat of butter or something? What’s going on with you?

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

i did have buttered popcorn

for a snack last night whilst watching the Amazing Race.

must have taken over all the portions of my brain that died while watching reality TV….

Anybody throws me against the boards I'm gonna piss all over myself.
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by blurr1974 on Nov 10, 2008 5:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Buttered popcorn

is a bit of a parasite like that. Gotta be careful or it’ll take over.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 5:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I read that as

I’m looking for butter at present…

by Karina on Nov 10, 2008 5:43 PM EST up reply actions  

What is it with you people

and butter? Do you work for the Butter Council of Canada or something? I get it. I’m on my way to the store right now to pick some up. Will that make you happy?

(and no, I don’t kid. I have to go buy groceries, and butter is on the list.)

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 6:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, we can’t get everything we need from bacon

Making stuff up since real Leafs news is far too depressing

by loser domi on Nov 10, 2008 6:59 PM EST up reply actions  

We can’t? You sure?

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 9:08 PM EST up reply actions  

you just end up taking that much awesome for granted when it’s around you all the time, you know?

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by loser domi on Nov 10, 2008 9:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I hadn’t thought of that, but you are right. I won’t take you for granted no more bacon! I loves yooouuuuuuu!!!!

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 9:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Guess I know what I’m having for dinner tomorrow.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 9:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Have the paddles ready…

by clark4calder on Nov 10, 2008 9:24 PM EST up reply actions  

“Now when you live in MY house you live under MY rules. now BUTTER THAT BACON, BOY!!”

Making stuff up since real Leafs news is far too depressing

by loser domi on Nov 10, 2008 9:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Pffft

I don’t need paddles for just bacon and butter. Now throw in some deep-fried cheesecake, and I’d need those paddles…

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 9:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Let’s keep ’em handy just in case, k, Captain Heart Attack?

by clark4calder on Nov 10, 2008 9:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Fine. I’ll keep ‘em around, just in case. You’re no fun, you probably like safety words too…

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 9:53 PM EST up reply actions  

What can I say?

I’m just a proponent of good heart health.

I detest safe words. What’s the point? I do keep the paddles handy in that circumstance as well though.

by clark4calder on Nov 10, 2008 9:54 PM EST up reply actions  

you’re right, paddles are really good for all occasions. I’ll keep ’em handy.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 9:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Best for everyone, really.

In a way, “paddles” is my safe word. If I whisper/mouth “paddles”, you’ll know it’s time to charge up the defib.

And then, back to the swing!

by clark4calder on Nov 10, 2008 10:00 PM EST up reply actions  

“Paddles”, huh? That is good to know, and I will keep it in mind.

I personallly like “mittenstringers” as I find nothing gets people out of the mood quicker than bringing the msm up.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 10:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Yikes…that would have me up, fully dressed and mowing the lawn in mere seconds. I pray it never has to be used.

by clark4calder on Nov 10, 2008 10:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I pray I never need to use it, as it does the same to me.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 10:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Two consenting adults who know the ropes, so to speak? Shouldn’t be a need for it.

by clark4calder on Nov 10, 2008 10:17 PM EST up reply actions  

True, but you gotta have an escape plan. No matter the situation. So, I always do, and pray I never need to break the seal on the folder with all the escape details.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 10:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I’d put my life in your hands…

by clark4calder on Nov 10, 2008 10:28 PM EST up reply actions  

And I mine in yours…

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 10:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Not a bad team at all

If they can manage to get through the west without too much damage, I’ll be pleased. Not that I don’t think they can handle it, but mostly because in recent years west coast trips haven’t always gone well. And if I’ve learned anything from the media, it is that if it was true last year with a different bunch of players, it’ll be true this year.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 10:42 PM EST up reply actions  

The media is so wise. No sense in playing the games, really. Just have the sages write up the standings as they see them unfolding and print them by early summer so we can see who won.

Also: we scared everyone off.

by clark4calder on Nov 10, 2008 10:45 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s a great idea! Think of all the money that could be saved – they wouldn’t have to pay people to work concession stands, or take tickets or anything. The teams that aren’t doing well will start turning a profit, and all of a sudden the league will be out of financial troubles.

Yeah, we did. But they’re wusses.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 10:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I think we’re on to something…let’s workshop this. Cox for commish!

Well, at least now we have the place to ourselves ;)

by clark4calder on Nov 10, 2008 10:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey, if it means he’s too busy to write his hateful screeds against the Leafs, I’m all for Cox as commish. Show me where to vote him in and I’m there.

We do indeed and I think it’s nice that the riffraff are gone. We bring a certain level of class to the joint.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 10:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Great – I get the girl alone and then my laptop crashes. Story of my life…

by clark4calder on Nov 10, 2008 11:03 PM EST up reply actions  

That always happens to me too. That’s why I stopped girl chasing, because it always ended with me calling tech support.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 11:08 PM EST up reply actions  

TECH SUPPORRRRRRRRRT!

I think you made the right call – I may need to do the same :)

by clark4calder on Nov 10, 2008 11:10 PM EST up reply actions  

You’ll know when you’ve had enough. :)

And make sure to bake tech support cookies. I find that always helps move things along.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 11:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I do make a mean cookie…that should jump me to the head of the queue.

And I don’t think I’ve had near enough ;)

by clark4calder on Nov 10, 2008 11:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Good cookies can work wonders. When I left my last job, it was made clear that I was going to have to stop by occasionally with cookies for everyone. I think they miss my cookies even more than they miss me.

You haven’t? Good to know…

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 11:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I expect cookies at PPPub night then ;)

And no, not even close…

by clark4calder on Nov 10, 2008 11:26 PM EST up reply actions  

You’re expecting quite a lot of me on the pub night, aren’t you? I hope I can live up to your expectations.

We’ll see about the cookies, if you play nice.

Not even close? I’ll break you yet…

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 11:30 PM EST up reply actions  

What can I say? I have high expectations in general. I have no doubt that you will live up to them. I’ll play as nice as I can, but no promises.

And bring it on, Avery…

by clark4calder on Nov 10, 2008 11:32 PM EST up reply actions  

High expectations are a good thing to have. I’m the same way. And I certainly wouldn’t want you to promise anything you don’t think you can keep.

And I’ll bring it. Don’t you worry about that. I may be a chirpy little thing, but unlike Avery, I do occasionally backup my chirping. Especially when challenged.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 11:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I do like your moxie…

And now, I must get myself to bed.

by clark4calder on Nov 10, 2008 11:48 PM EST up reply actions  

glad to oblige…

How’s that for timing? My bath is drawn and ready to go. g’night.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 11:50 PM EST up reply actions  

sometimes...

when i’m vomitiing, i think “this must be what it’s like to be Damien Cox when he opens his mouth”

Anybody throws me against the boards I'm gonna piss all over myself.
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by blurr1974 on Nov 10, 2008 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

You sir

are a national treasure.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

thanks...

I never said I bring anything intelligent to the conversation…just me!

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by blurr1974 on Nov 10, 2008 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't worry

on most days, that’s more than enough.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 5:25 PM EST up reply actions  

thanks...

i do bring the emo, mainly so LD won’t feel so alone and sad…

Anybody throws me against the boards I'm gonna piss all over myself.
The Left Coast Lock

by blurr1974 on Nov 10, 2008 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

and it is appreciated. Both by LD (I assume, who doesn’t want company in their emo-ness?) and by the rest of us. And by the rest of us, I mean the people who count. Which is me.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 5:31 PM EST up reply actions  

misery loves company, dontcha know?

Making stuff up since real Leafs news is far too depressing

by loser domi on Nov 10, 2008 7:00 PM EST up reply actions  

it does? I guess that makes sense, as wallowing really is a two person sport.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 9:24 PM EST up reply actions  

If you are feeling emo and no one is there to see it, are you truly emo??

by clark4calder on Nov 10, 2008 9:25 PM EST up reply actions  

if you write crappy poetry and don’t publish it online, does it still suck?

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by loser domi on Nov 10, 2008 9:29 PM EST up reply actions  

you tell me...

does it?

(for the record i didn’t write this…)

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The Left Coast Lock

by blurr1974 on Nov 10, 2008 9:36 PM EST up reply actions  

and I thought some of the other stuff I’ve written was bad…

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by loser domi on Nov 10, 2008 9:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Um...

wow. Doesn’t really answer LD’s philosophical construct, as it was, in fact, published. But so many things to discuss here:

1) someone wrote a poem intending to combine emo and hockey (though somehow it ends up being about the need to pee, which I’m not sure qualifies as emo per se)

2) good on you for finding this…

3) the best part is the single comment that someone named “Yoonoos Peerbocus” left. It reads “pleasant piece……………………………………”

Now THAT is emo.

by clark4calder on Nov 10, 2008 9:42 PM EST up reply actions  

stop it i cry/can’t you see i’m going to die

That is the best line, possibly ever. So emo, it hurts.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 9:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Kind of sums up why we’re all here, doesn’t it?

by clark4calder on Nov 10, 2008 9:58 PM EST up reply actions  

It really does.

That and the parts about peeing.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 10:07 PM EST up reply actions  

it just needs a mention of drinking and bacon and it’s all about us!

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by loser domi on Nov 10, 2008 10:12 PM EST up reply actions  

You have to take into account some poetic licence, so it probably is about us. We’re famous!

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 10:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Sure you didn't

Keep telling us that, and maybe we’ll believe you eventually.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 9:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I think that makes you more emo. You’re so emo you don’t need anyone else to make you emo.

by Mabel on Nov 10, 2008 9:42 PM EST up reply actions  

no, then you’re scene

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by loser domi on Nov 10, 2008 9:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Out...

Alright all – it’s been incredibly fun to “work from home” with all of you today. I’m off to tend goal for the ball hockey team of destiny…wish me luck!

by clark4calder on Nov 10, 2008 5:18 PM EST reply actions  

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