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Editor's Note: Pamplemousse takes a good look at the Leafs after 15 games and wonders what we can glean from their results.

 

My apologies for the long title, but I couldn’t think of anything more concise.

 

That actually applies to most of this post...

 

This season, so far, has probably been the most enjoyable to watch since the end of the lockout.  Almost all of that has to do with the identity that been slowly coalescing around this team since the puck dropped in Detroit.

 

Both new and old media alike would tell you that the Leafs, under Ron Wilson, appear to be a speedy, hard working bunch who scores by committee while playing with a "never say die" attitude.

 

Points relating to work ethic, speed and attitude are all accepted, at this juncture, as gospel truth. 

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The hard work shows itself in a relentless forecheck that generates shots (and shots and shots) each game.  It also manifests in a backcheck that blocks (and blocks and blocks) shots.  In fact, the Leafs are among league leaders in both categories.  It's pretty clear that this hard work has paid off in the offensive end, but not quite yet in the defensive end.  For instance, the Leafs are in the league's top ten in fewest shots allowed per game, but bottom ten in goals allowed per game. 

 

Now, that forecheck I talked about wouldn't be possible without a certain fleetness of foot.  Simply put, this team can fly, as it boasts a roster of speedsters that previous editions of the Blue & White could only dream about.  That speed, when used properly, feeds both the dump and chase or puck possession games and is very useful in chasing the puck in either end.

 

What about that "never say die" attitude?  Well, 8 of their 15 games have been one goal affairs, with one of those resolved in OT and three via the shootout (all losses, however), while half their wins have been of the come from behind variety.  So yeah, I'd say this team doesn't know when to quit.

 

But, I do think we have to examine this score by committee thing a little closer. 

 

Over 15 games the Leafs skaters have combined for 127 points over 15 games.  Of those points the top two lines including Antropov, Stajan, Poni, Hagman, Grabs and Kulemin have earned 65 (27g 38a).  The remaining forwards including Blake, Moore, Mitchell, Steen, Mayers, White, Hollweg and Tlusty have earned 29 (11g 18a).  The defense, including Kaberle, Kubina, Van Ryn, Finger, Stralman, Schenn, Frogren and Colaiacovo, has earned 33 points (8g 25a).  So, the top two lines have generated over 50% of the Leafs offense, while the defense is out-scoring the bottom eight forwards.  

 

I'm not sure if that's scoring by committee, especially when the top three defensemen (Kubina, Kabs, Van Ryn) have 21 of the 33 points by defensemen while the top six forwards have three game winning goals, Hagman has a shootout winner, and defensemen have the other two.

 

Is it really a big deal they aren't scoring by committee?  I wouldn't say so.  The only thing that concerns me is that every bottom eight forward is a minus.  Typically bottom eight players are checkers and defensive specialists, and if those guys are all minuses it says something about the players filling those rolls.

 

But what has this identity earned us so far?

 

The Leafs, after 15 games, sit in the very familiarly 9th place.  Six of the teams ahead of them in the standings have games in hand, as do all the teams below them save one. 

 

They are top ten in average Goals per Game, Goals Scored, Shots per Game and PP%.  However, they are also bottom ten in Goals Against and average Goals Against per Game while owning the leagues worst PK%.  All of that is in spite of being a top ten team in average Shots Allowed Against per Game.

 

So, for a team that was supposed to be defensively minded and struggle to score it's been exactly the opposite to.  It's hard to figure out exactly what that means, but it says to me that our top six forwards and top three defenders have been well above average offensively and defensively, while the bottom eight forwards and bottom five defenders have been below average.  Just looking at the points and their +/- confirms that.

 

In addition, Vesa Toskala hasn't been particularly sharp so far this season.  He's ranked 28th in GAA and 34th in SA% despite facing a relatively low number of shots per game.  So, you could blame some of the defensive problems relating to goals allowed on him and, in my mind at least, it would be fair

 

Where does all this number mongering actually put the team?  Well, so far the Leafs have a winning percentage of .533.  Of the 15 games they've played they've earned 2 points in 40% of them, 1 point in 23% of them and 0 points in 33% of them.  With 67 games remaining they're on pace to earn 72 of the 134 points available.  That gives them 88 for the season which will likely leave them out of the playoff picture.

 

If the averages play out those 88 points puts them 19th to 21st in league standings, using last year as a reference.  That means a draft pick from as high as 9th to as low as 11th, an even lower position then last year.

 

Now, do I think they'll finish with 88 (or thereabout) points?

 

No, I don't.  I think they'll finish with about 75 points, meaning they're going to lose around six games more than the projection above.

 

Why do I think this will happen?  Because I don't think Cliff wants to finish with 88 points; that's not where he wants this team to be.  I think he wants a shot at a top five pick without having to trade up, even if that player isn't what he would call a franchise guy.

 

So, I think that Cliff, at or before the trade deadline, is going to move some veterans for picks and prospects, because that's how you rebuild a team.  I expect this team to be on pace to the trade deadline, but after I expect it to lurch to the finish line without the necessary veteran presence. 

 

They'll still be playing hard, they'll still be flying, and they'll never give up.  But they won't be winning; they'll be too busy rebuilding.

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Thanks PPP.

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by Pamplemousse on Nov 10, 2008 4:45 PM EST reply actions  

no problem

I have basically the same thoughts although I am not sure that it’s a given that the wheels will fall off. If they are still in the hunt at the deadline and move some veterans odds are that the players being moved are going to be guys like Carlo, White, Van Ryn, Hollweg (just kidding), or Toskala. The latter will hurt the most if it happens but who knows how the kids will react.

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by PPP on Nov 10, 2008 7:23 PM EST up reply actions  

This is to both you and MN below.

I think Cliff might have learned his lesson the first time around, meaning he sticks with the plan this time.

In fact, he has to do this for one reason: he won’t be GM next year, and he can’t hand the next guy a team that hasn’t been stripped for parts. Cliff’s job is to the tear it down, make some blueprints and gather the raw materials. The next guy has to put it all together. I really believe that’s the plan, even if the playoff’s are in view.

So, I do think that this team is good enough to keep pace with the 88 points, maybe even overshoot it a little, but at the deadline I fully expect Cliff to rip the heart out of the team for picks and prospects. I wouldn’t expect guys like Antro, Poni, Van Ryn, Blake (if there’s a taker) & maybe Kabs to be around by the end of the season. Hell, if Stajan, Steen and Moore were gone I wouldn’t be surprised either if the return for them was worth it.

I don’t think this team is going to make the playoff’s, and if they’re on pace to I don’t think Cliff is going to let them. He wants a top flight pick, he wants other teams picks, and he wants prospects like Grabs. He doesn’t want rookies exposed in the playoff’s, and a (very likely) first round exit will cause the media to go into spasms of “first round exit vs. top five pick – idiot Leafs get it wrong again”.

Trust me, it’ll be a fire sale come February.

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by Pamplemousse on Nov 10, 2008 7:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Trust me, it’ll be a fire sale come February.

Oh, that’s the plan but if Fletcher’s not getting good offers or Kubina/Kaberle don’t waive their NTC then his hands are tied to a certain extent.

Also, I heard from a friend that spoke with a Leafs’ scout (yeah, yeah, a friend of a friend) that apparently he and the rest of the Leafs’ staff are all on one-year contracts because Fletcher doesn’t want the next guy to have to fire/buyout/waste money on guys he doesn’t want. Sounds like the perfect “Want a job? Prove you deserve it” set up.

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by PPP on Nov 10, 2008 8:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Imagine how much better a position we’d be in now if JFJ had stuck with that?

Because Taking The Leafs Seriously Is Not An Option

by JaredFromLondon on Nov 10, 2008 8:05 PM EST up reply actions  

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

Yeah, just imagine. Or don’t because you might slit your wrists.

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by PPP on Nov 10, 2008 8:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Imagine how much better a position we’d be in now if JFJ had stuck with that?

Who? I’m sorry, that name doesn’t register

by lordosis on Nov 10, 2008 8:09 PM EST up reply actions  

There's always the post-Christmas funk.

See whether this team manages not to have one, but that’s most likely where we’ll see this team fall to the 70-odd points most projected.

Stranger things have happened, though.

A trade of one of the d is now off the table until late Jan, at the earliest, I’d think.

Leaf, the universe and everything.

by 1967ers on Nov 11, 2008 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Each of the last three seasons they have had major slumps around Jan-Feb so you’re right in saying that that will be the time period that will depress their points total.

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by PPP on Nov 11, 2008 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice Post

 I think that you’re right about what will happen at the trade deadline if the season plays out the way you anticipate. But what happens if the Leafs hold one of the last playoff spots and are playing really well? It would be tough to derail the possibility of a playoff run in that case, and if they’ve got a solid hold on a spot it would be near impossible. Even if the fans would accept it, the players and Wilson would certainly be unhappy and I doubt MLSE would agree to forgo the playoff revenues.
 One has to wonder if Cliff has any concerns that he’s done too good a job. One thing he said about first tenure in Toronto was that the plan was to rebuild but that they got too good too quickly and the plan changed. I’m sure he doesn’t want to face the same decisions and pressures this time around. If Toskala is just off to his customary(?) slow start and gets stronger as the season progresses and the younger players keep developing they might well end up with the same problem.
  Another point that’s worth considering is that with so many young guys on the team one could argue that playing in the playoffs would be good for their development, even if you didn’t anticipate making a serious run. They might be happy to squeeze in and give the younger guys a taste, and remind the long time Leaf players what it’s like.

by Mirinov's Nose on Nov 10, 2008 7:29 PM EST reply actions  

Another point that’s worth considering is that with so many young guys on the team one could argue that playing in the playoffs would be good for their development, even if you didn’t anticipate making a serious run. They might be happy to squeeze in and give the younger guys a taste, and remind the long time Leaf players what it’s like

And that is why this season is win-win. If the Leafs win they’ll develop all of their players and get some guys their first taste of the post-season (you have to lose there before you can win).

If they lose repeatedly then they still develop their players (although not as much) and get a great draft pick.

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by PPP on Nov 10, 2008 7:43 PM EST up reply actions  

And that is why this season is win-win

Only if they don’t all of a sudden do a 180 and proactively push for a playoff spot. If we get one, so be it. If we finish in the dreaded 9th-12th, so be it. Lower, so be it. What I will not stand for is “going for it”, adding that “one last piece” to secure a birth. Not the way to do it this year. If Fletcher sticks to his convictions and refuses to add anyone over 30, I’ll be content.

by lordosis on Nov 10, 2008 7:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh yeah, as long as the plan stays in place.

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by PPP on Nov 10, 2008 8:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Every night before I go to sleep I focus my mind on Fletcher for five minutes and send the message: ‘Stick to the plan. Stick to the plan. Stick to the plan.’

by Mirinov's Nose on Nov 10, 2008 8:37 PM EST up reply actions  

:O

It’s like you read my mind. I pray for my family’s health, my own survival, and that the Silver Fox have the strength to stick to the plan and force the board to see it.

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by PPP on Nov 10, 2008 8:46 PM EST up reply actions  

The Leafs may very well be in the top 8 in February depending on how the season plays out. They may also be fucking awful. The best and worst about this team is that we don’t know what to expect from them, if they can cover their weaknesses and play like the mean it consistently there’s no way they’re missing the post season. If injuries and general fatigue slow the guys down, the rookies hit a low, then we could end up bottom 3 like so many predicted.

Cliff will fire sale this team in any way he can, for a couple reasons. First off, because any team making a playoff run in our position needs to believe they can win the cup, we can’t afford the five-ten places in draft positioning a playoff run would cost us otherwise. If we had better prospects the case would be different, but good teams only make deadline deals (or stand pat) when they know they can absorb the damage.

The second reason is that Cliff knows this is basically his legacy. At 73 years of age, he likely won’t hold an executive position in the NHL again. Very few people remember him as the guy who brought in Mats Sundin and the following years of relative prosperity, because that team ultimately failed in achieving the only goal that matters here. If Schenn and/or Grabovski become pieces of a winner then he’ll earn the hearts and minds of generations of Leafs fans. But for that to happen this team has to be done right.

The mistakes of the past have to be recognized as mistakes, by both management and the fans, we need to realize that just because we have a team that can qualify for the postseason doesn’t mean we have a team that can win it, or one that will continue to be successful. It’s a hard pill to swallow, but if the Leafs can manage to eke out wins with our current roster then all the more reason to accelerate the process of adding exceptional young talent. Philadelphia was able to rebound so well because it had several key young guys and it was able to shed the peripheral talent to bring in even better young pieces to compliment it’s core. Right now we maybe, and that is a maybe, have a core of two or three good young guys. If we can sell Kabby, Kubs, Antro, and the kitchen sink to add to that we might need not worry about the future for a long time.

by koopa kid on Nov 10, 2008 9:29 PM EST up reply actions  

crap, I meant to reply to Mirinov’s post. Fail.

by koopa kid on Nov 10, 2008 9:29 PM EST up reply actions  

no worries...

great points, and well said. I only disagree with Fletch’s legacy. He’s been part of cups, and despite the ultimate failure of the team he assembled here his first go round, I still have oodles of love for the man. If he wants, I’ll even adopt him.

Anybody throws me against the boards I'm gonna piss all over myself.
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by blurr1974 on Nov 10, 2008 9:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Everyone Should Have

Their own silver fox!

Wait, that didn’t sound quite right…

Unable to actually speak French since 1980.

by Pamplemousse on Nov 10, 2008 10:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Isn’t that what cougars become when they grow old?

by Mirinov's Nose on Nov 10, 2008 10:41 PM EST up reply actions  

isn’t that a male cougar?

Making stuff up since real Leafs news is far too depressing

by loser domi on Nov 11, 2008 8:28 AM EST up reply actions  

 I agree for the most part and I hope that Cliff goes through with his plan and can move some players at the trade deadline to stock up. The thing I’m worried about though is that the team will be just a little too good to do that (on the other hand, like you say, they might stink). I’m pretty sure that there’s no case in which Fletcher would be trading away the future to beef up for the playoffs but if the team looks to have a playoff spot locked up, trading away the kind of players other teams want for playoff runs might be a hard sell, even though it would be the right thing to do. He might be pushed to stand pat or at least not gut the team.
 The good thing here, again, as you point out, is that Fletcher seems to be viewing this as his legacy, he’s been steadfast so far in sticking to his plan, and he’s only got 1 year to work with. I’m hoping that whatever pressure he faces from fans and the board he goes balls out for the future.
  As for Cliff’s legacy, blurr rightly points out his other successes, and to me he’s the guy who brought Dougie to Toronto and started a period of very good hockey in Toronto that only ended with Ferguson (the only reason I forgive him for trading Wendel is that he got Sundin in return, but still I just barely forgive him and there’s still a small part of me that wants to punch him in the face).
  Anyway here’s hoping we see a fire sale at the deadline and we get to see Cliff work his old fleecing magic. Maybe Gainey’s got a few more lying around.

by Mirinov's Nose on Nov 10, 2008 10:39 PM EST up reply actions  

While I agree with you guys that atleast half a dozen players will be traded from the Leafs come deadline – I disagree on who those players will be …

I think Kaberle will be traded but not Kubina (though I want both to be traded, not cuz they suck but because of the potential return). Antropov will not be traded though there’s a small chance that Poni might be gone. Toskala will surely be traded in my opinion. One of Stajan OR steen will be gone. Also one of Carlo or White will be traded as well … I don’t think Cliff’s going to trade Van Ryn, dunno why I feel that way. Also I wouldn’t be surprised if one of Mayers, Holloweg or Moore is gone (hopefully not Moore).

Players traded imo …
Kaberle
Toskala
Carlo
Steen
Mayers
White (I know I said either him or Carlo, but anyway)

Players in rumors but not traded imo …
Stajan
Antropov
Van Ryn
Kubina

That being said, Cliff will probably also try to add a few pieces (youngns like Grabs perhaps?) and while he’ll acquire picks he will also trade away some low level picks (which will piss off the stupid fans).

Basically, I don’t think it will be as big a firesale as people are hoping. It won’t be a complete overhaul like last year.

by WildWolfdog on Nov 11, 2008 12:16 AM EST reply actions  

interesting..

I didn’t think about Stajan, but his play on the first line elevates his value. Steen on the other hand, appears to have less of a potential return.

I agree on the Kabby Kubi stuff. Both would net huge returns. I’m still not sold on Toskala moving. Not saying it won’t happen, but I think if Cujo retires after this season, and we move Pogge in next year, Vesa would still be a nice stop gap before handing the team over to Pogge full time. Toskala only has two seasons left I beleive, and his cap number is not unreasonable…

Anybody throws me against the boards I'm gonna piss all over myself.
The Left Coast Lock

by blurr1974 on Nov 11, 2008 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I’ve been thinking lately that if we are making the playoffs with the team with have now, that’s good. Don’t go on a selling trip. These young players making the playoffs now is worth all the draft picks we would get at the bottom. This team is NOT going to get Tavares, so screw it. What’s the difference between 5th and 10th pick? Development of the players we have is better.

If we are still sitting where we are right now, I think keeping the team intact and keeping the “family” atmosphere we have right now is the best. Ride it out, and see where it goes. If we’re pretty much out by February, I would say get rid of Toskala and make Carlo/Mayers/Van Ryn for a decent sniper prospect. Let Pogge lead the team to the end of March, and be ready to lead the team next year.

The one thing that I’ve started thinkign lately is with Sundin. I dont’ think we want him. He may push us just enough to make the playoffs, but while taking either Mitchell’s or Moore’s roster spot. And that is counterproductive. So we make the playoff’s, but losign the development of our young guys. Let the team with have sink or swim. I’m happy either way.

by Kobra29 on Nov 11, 2008 11:51 AM EST reply actions  

What if...

Come trade deadline Leafs are in say 5th place in the East. They look pretty solid, playing well defensively and offensively but are missing one or two players that can make a difference. What do you do then?

Personally I don’t think they will be in that position but you’ll never know.

...

by puckbuddy on Nov 11, 2008 12:55 PM EST reply actions  

Then you shelve the rebuild and go balls out for the Cup!

Just kidding. Stick to the plan no matter what.

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by PPP on Nov 11, 2008 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

You see how far these guys take us. Young team, no expectations…think Oilers in 2006.

by Kobra29 on Nov 11, 2008 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

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