Helping Me Answer Questions
Last year I occasionally managed to reach out to other blogs and run a feature called 5 Questions (I am filled with creativity). In that vein, Jeanshorts and Bagged Milk and OilersNation have submitted questions for me to answer and in turn I'll pose five to them. The idea is to create some good banter back and forth.
I could use your help answering their questions and formulating some for them so if you could post your ideas here by tomorrow at 5pm I'll use the best ones. Cheers.
Now we at the OilersNation hate the Leafs because of their dominance of national media despite their poor performance year after year. Yet we are forced to acknowledge that you are Canadians. Here are our 5 questions
- What is the consensus amongst Leaf fans about the Sundin situation?
- What is the worst deal in the past 5 years that the Leafs have done? What has been the best?
- How does it feel knowing that the last Stanley Cup that the Leafs won was when there were 6 teams in the league?
- Rumor has it that Cliff Fletcher is 612 years old. Is this a concern for Leafs fans?
- Do you hold out hope for Brian Burke coming to town?
Needle, burn, and rip but keep it clean and funny.
Thanks for the help guys! Our questions and answers just went out. I'll post the links/their replies when they come in.
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Loser domi's answers
1: We don’t really have a consensus about Sundin. Mention his name and you have a long back and forth. We could debate it all night, much like the questions “What is the meaning of life?” “Could Jesus microwave a burrito so hot even He could no eat it?” And, “What Flaor is Flava Flav?”
2: uhhhhhhh….pass
3: It would feel better if we weren’t constantly reminded of this every single game and in every single news story GAH STOP IT! STOPPIT SHUT IT OFF! (curls into fetal position repeating "top draft picks, top draft picks " over and over again)
4: Cliff Fetcher’s age is not a concern since being 612 means he’s on the Willie Nelson plan for immortality (seriously, look at them: Fletch and Willie
5: We’re Leafs fans,. We wouldn’t exist without hope
Making stuff up since real Leafs news is far too depressing
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Anybody throws me against the boards I'm gonna piss all over myself.
The Left Coast Lock
by blurr1974 on Nov 11, 2008 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
eyebleaf's answers...
1. There is no consensus on the Sundin issue. The one thing that most knowledgeable Leafs fans will acknowledge is that Sundin gave us the best years of his hockey life, and always performed to the standards expected of him. He was always a point-per-game player even though he was surrounded by talent that never matched his own. We can all agree that he wore the Leafs jersey with pride, and was well-deserving of the captaincy. We can all agree that his numbers speak for themselves: he is the highest scoring Toronto Maple Leaf. Period, full stop. We can all agree that Sundin gave us a ton of amazing memories. As to whether Sundin should have waived his NMC, we could debate that until the cows come home. Actually, myself at Sports And The City and Sean at Down Goes Brown have done just that.
Long live Mats Sundin…
2. The worst deal the Leafs have done? That’s a tough question. I’m forced to not go with a player here, but management. Bringing in John Ferguson Jr. was the worst thing the Leafs have done in the last five years. He fucked us royally, and it’s going to take some time to clean up the mess he left behind. From signing guys like Ed Belfour, Mariusc Czerkawski, Jason Allison, Eric Lindros, to the worst of all, Andrew Mother Fucking Raycroft.
The best deal the Leafs have done in the last five years? Simple. Firing John Ferguson Jr.
3. How do you think it feels, man?
4. Those rumours about his are absolutely unsubstantiated. He’s actually 315 years old. But Cliff’s age is not a concern for Leafs fans. He has found the fountain of youth. Cliff Fletcher will live forever. I mean, look at him. He looks like he’s 70! And, might I add, he looks fucking fantastic.
5. We’re not holding out hope for Brian Burke, per se. We’re holding out hope for a competent general manager who can return us to our lofty post. Someone who can help deliver a Stanley Cup and make you guys out west hate us even more because, you know, that’s how we get off.
Remember, when you’re at the bottom, there’s no where to go but up. The Toronto Maple Leafs, and a Stanley Cup banner, will rise once again.
Go Leafs Go.
Cheers,
eyebleaf
A Toronto sports blog, where we unequivocally and unapologetically support the home team...
Number 4
Should say: “Those rumours about his AGE are absolutely unsubstantiated.”
pure fail.
A Toronto sports blog, where we unequivocally and unapologetically support the home team...
Note too that most of Sundin’s PPG seasons came when being a point-per-game player was pretty difficult to do.
In 2001-02, for example, Mats hit for 80 points in 82 games. Big whoop? That was fourth overall in NHL scoring. His 41 goals were the second highest total in the league.
Leaf, the universe and everything.
blurr's bombastic brainwork
1. Best answered in two words. Yes, No, Yes, No, No, Yes, No, Yes, Yes, No x infinity, Yes x infinity+1, No x infinity+1 to the power of pi, yes x infinity…(you get the idea)
2. Raycroft. The deal itself didn’t appear to Raycroftian at the beginning, but about ten games in, we knew we’d been Raycrofted (how’s that working out Avalanche?)
3. It feels right. Like kicking kittens and punching babies.
4. No, the knowledge of the universe is at our disposal…
5. No, I don’t. I hold out hope that Cliffy doesn’t expire and he’s secretly a vampire, cursed with eternal life and an insatiable thirst for blood
Anybody throws me against the boards I'm gonna piss all over myself.
The Left Coast Lock
by blurr1974 on Nov 11, 2008 3:43 PM EST reply actions
i forgot best deal...
but this kind of shows how bad the last 5 years have been management wise…
I’d say signing Hagman. How awesome is he?
Anybody throws me against the boards I'm gonna piss all over myself.
The Left Coast Lock
by blurr1974 on Nov 11, 2008 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
1. Well, I’d like him back, but wonder what it would do to this newfandangled chemistry thing.
2. Raycroft, Raycroft and more Raycroft.
3. Don’t forget that in a 30-team league, at least 20 teams are on a minumum 10-year drought.
4. Don’t care. Bowman is older, and we all wanted him.
5. Don’t think Burke will wind up here. I see another year of Fletch before the dawn of the Nieuwendyk era.
Leaf, the universe and everything.
But here’s the crazy thing (sit down, everyone, this is a real shocker) – there is nothing about the Leafs’ drought that is either unusual or unexpected. This is in part the product of a 20-year period of bad ownership, but it is primarily the expected result of ANY team that plays in a 30-team league. Long droughts are not the exception. They are the norm. The only reason the Leaf drought is longer than most other teams is that the Leafs themselves are an older franchise.
That’s it.
Remember this.
Leaf, the universe and everything.
They can take away our Stanley Cup
but they can never take away our FREEDOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
For all the scientific reasoning behind the drought, and how much we’re not fans of the Ontario Teachers Pension Plan to which we all serve, at least we don’t have our pal Hal anymore…
Anybody throws me against the boards I'm gonna piss all over myself.
The Left Coast Lock
by blurr1974 on Nov 11, 2008 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
Wink's Answers
1. Sundin’s fantastic and most people here loves, adores and worships him until they remember that he’s not Canadian. Do you know the old saying “soon as people see snow flakes they forget how to drive”? Well think of it that way except replace people with Leaf fans, snow flakes with European, and how to drive with common-fucking-sense.
2. eyebleaf covered it perfectly, worst: hiring JFJ, best: firing JFJ
3. Let me tell you something, it feels fantastic to know the last time the Leafs won the cup it was a 6-team league. Here’s why. Today there are 738 active players in the NHL, SEVEN HUNDRED THIRTY EIGHT. Now I can’t find an exact figure for 1967 but it would reasonable to assume that there were no more than roughly 150 active players in a league with 6 teams. ONE HUNDRED FIFTY. Why is this important:? Think about it, what is tougher to crack? A top-tier league with 150 players, or a top-tier league with 738 players? You damned well be fucking uber at what you do to make it in a top-tier hockey league composed of 150 players.
The Leafs had their best years competing in a league that wasn’t diluted with talent, sure they were stacked but they played and won the Cup against other stacked teams, they didn’t face teams composed of pros and minor leaguers, they faced the best of the best, the cream of the crop and came out triumphant and smite’d their powerful foes in glorious victory. A meaningful and magnificent, that’s the shit I’m talking about. I’ll rather them go winless in 5 decades then have them Trap their way to the Cup every couple of years.
4. We’re not concerned about Fletcher’s age because we don’t have Sarah Palin in the wings ready to take over when he kills over.
5. Real Leaf fans know that we’re really holding out for Scotty Bowen, the whole Brian Burke thing is just to distract everyone else while we go for the real prize. It’s like Area 51 and Roswell, there’s no alien conspiracy, its just there to distract the conspiracy theorists while the government works on taking over the world.
"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)
Good lord
Typos galore
3. The Leafs had their best years competing in a league that wasn’t diluted with crappy talent.
A meaningful and magnificent achievement.
4. … Sarah Palin in the wings ready to take over when he keels over
"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)
Great Answers so far
Keep them coming and don’t forget to think of questions to fire back at OilersNation.
Pension Plan Puppets: A Toronto Maple Leafs blog and a group therapy session.
here's one...
Where is Edmonton, and how come lots of NHL players (Pronger, Peca, Nylander, Samsonov etc.) run screaming from there?
Anybody throws me against the boards I'm gonna piss all over myself.
The Left Coast Lock
by blurr1974 on Nov 11, 2008 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
Nice
Good one. Now we need four more.
Pension Plan Puppets: A Toronto Maple Leafs blog and a group therapy session.
Oilers, huh?
Vegetable, mineral, or baby?
Making stuff up since real Leafs news is far too depressing
Curious, though,
In what Bizarro universe is 1990 considered recent? Nobody under 30 has any vivid memories of the Oilers as a powerhouse.
Leaf, the universe and everything.
1. Thanks for the memories, have fun at the buffet, we’re doing just fine without you. See you at the HOF induction.
2. 5 years isn’t very long, especially given the long history of screwups. I’d say, with hindsight, Rask for Raycroft is looking to be a terrible deal, especially considering that Pogge still struggles. Pogge’s career is tied to Rask’s now, and so far things don’t look so great.
3. Hard to answer that one, considering most of us weren’t even cognizant the last time we won. The worst part about it in my mind is the fact that fans of teams with less history and fewer or no cup wins somehow feel the need bring it up constantly. I’m looking at you, Vancouver and Ottawa. The Leafs have actually had a decent amount of playoff success in the 30 team NHL, unless you believe the NHL didn’t exist before the lockout.
4. We only need him to last until July.
5. I hold out hope for the most competent GM that we can conceivably hire over the summer. If that happens to be Burke, so be it. Likely, and hopefully, it won’t be.
Answers
1. There is no consensus. I really want him to come back and will be very dissapointed if he doesn’t. Some people feel the opposite. Some people feel somewhere in between. There seems to be no consensus at all.
2. The worst deal is Raycroft, no doubt. The damage that move caused alone is wholly depressing. The best deal, my opinion, was picking up Moore for nothing.
3. Seems to be 2 seperate questions. Being a member of the Original Six is a source of great pride. Not having won the Cup since the days of the Original Six is the source of our deep suffering.
4. The Silver Fox is a genius. There is no concern, only pride and appreciation.
5. To be honest, I could care less about Burke, but if he’s the best available man for the job, and as long as it guarantees we won’t have another JFJ on our hands, terrific.
by general borschevsky on Nov 11, 2008 4:23 PM EST reply actions
Questions
1. Who is more popular in Edmonton today, Jari Kurri or Peter Klima?
2. How many draft picks will you give us for a Blake-Tlusty-Steen package?
3. How do you feel about “it was a high-stick”?
4. Rumour has it that MacTavish is still refusing to wear a helmet, even though it’s been prescribed to him because of problems with vertigo. Is this a concern?
5. Do you hold out hope that NHL superstars will again one day want to play in northern Alberta, and not, say, somewhere nice and pleasant to live?
by general borschevsky on Nov 11, 2008 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
Junior's Answers
1. Divided. Those who advocate staying the course worry that Sundin’s return would provide little benefit (as far as team success) and delay or derail entirely the development of young forwards gobbling up prime minutes in important situations. Those who don’t see the team obtaining a top five draft pick anyway want him back to teach the youngsters the way. Those who are cannibals think he looks delicious.
2. The worst on-ice deal has to be Red Light Raycroft. Colorado Avalanche fans (both of them) are by now learning that with “Razor” (cough) in net, the “scoring area” now includes all four corners of the rink, most washrooms on the mezzanine level of the arena, and a substantial portion of the state of Colorado. There are no guarantees that Tuuka Rask (who the Leafs traded to get Raycrap) will ever be Martin Brodeur v. 2.0, but that deal perfectly symbolizes the ineptness of the JFJ management regime: JFJ evidently failed to foresee that Ed Belfour would age, because he failed to have a suitable successor ready to take over from within the organization; he then badly overpaid for Raycrap (both by way of trade and by way of mammoth contract), a goalie whose “talent” he over-estimated; to fix his own mistakes in that regard, the Leafs were then required to trade for Vesa Toskala. The best deal may well be Cliff’s most recent Risebrough: a 2nd-rounder for Mikhail Grabovski.
3. How did it feel when Chris Pronger and his wife basically hocked a loogie on the statue of Gretz out front of the Rexall Place/Skyreach Centre/Edmonton Coliseum/Northlands Coliseum? How did it feel when Roli the Goalie got steamrollered in Game 1 of the ‘06 Final, following which the Oil coughed up a three-goal lead and went on to lose the series in 7 games? That’s gotta hurt. Anyway, take those feelings, transplant them on a fan base that actually keeps coming to the games when the team doesn’t have a freakish run of success, and you get the idea. Laugh it up out there, Oiler fans – at least our team never lost the Cup to a bunch of itinerant hillbillies.
4. It is true that Cliff Fletcher is so old, he was once a contestant on a game show where the big prize was “fire”. Nevertheless, the front office is one place where the “wily veteran with a track record of success” is much preferred over the “promising but unproven talent”: see the entry in Failopedia for “Ferguson, John Jr.”. By the way, hope that Steve Tambellini thing works out for you guys. Really.
5. I personally want Brian Burke to come town about as much as Kevin Lowe would like to carpool with the guy. Burke’s record – both as it relates to the draft and his ability to assemble a well-rounded team (or even one NHL calibre starting goalie) is doubtful, as I’m sure the seven time Stanley Cup Champion Vancouver Canucks would agree. His record with the Ducks raises questions about his ability to manage the cap, though Niedermayer and Selanne have to bear some of the blame for that. It would, however, be fun to watch Burkie berate the local mittenstringers like a drill sergeant with PMS on a daily basis. Put me down for “meh.”
jrwendelman
The Artist Formerly Known as "Junior"
Questions
1. Why can’t you guys figure out what your team’s rink is called?
2. Who is Ladislav Smid and what does he do for a living?
3. Do people feel that losing in Game 7 after an improbable run to the ’06 Final will have any lasting impact upon the organization?
4. What gives with that oil derrick thingy that spouts fire during pre-game introductions?
5. Have people come to terms with the Steve Smith incident out there, or do you need another twenty-two years?
jrwendelman
The Artist Formerly Known as "Junior"
blurr's buttals...
Questions, I gots questions…
on top of my initial one…players fearing for their lives at the thought of staying Edmonton after signing there (or just before…)
2. If it weren’t for a belly up US dollar and revenue sharing from teams that make more money (Maple, cough Leafs, cough…) how would it feel to be like Winnipeg?
3. Does losing the Avco World Trophy to Winnipeg still sting? It’s got to, a little bit, no?
4. What’s it like cheering for a team who’s superstars never retire in your team’s jersey?
5. Those 3 first rounders you got in the Gretzky deal. How’d they work out…?
Anybody throws me against the boards I'm gonna piss all over myself.
The Left Coast Lock
by blurr1974 on Nov 11, 2008 5:46 PM EST reply actions
1. What is the consensus amongst Leaf fans about the Sundin situation?
How did Sundin not rub off on Alfredsson?
2. What is the worst deal in the past 5 years that the Leafs have done? What has been the best?
Phil Housley [5.5 yrs]
3. How does it feel knowing that the last Stanley Cup that the Leafs won was when there were 6 teams in the league?
like a dick that just won’t raise, still better than ottawa
4. Rumor has it that Cliff Fletcher is 612 years old. Is this a concern for Leafs fans?
Concerned? nope, his wizardry is the only thing to fend off the ghosts of furg
5. Do you hold out hope for Brian Burke coming to town?
Yes. we also hope he brings the mighty ducks.
by Johnny Thunder on Nov 11, 2008 11:02 PM EST reply actions
I only have one question
and it’s tied to others:
What’s worse, not winning since ’67 or trading away the best player that ever played in his prime?
Show and Tell!
1: As stated above, divided. Only Sundins house knows what it’s doing now.
2: Personally, I think the worst deal in the last 5 years was not bringing back Gary and Joe. Also letting Lindros slip away for less than 1mil in my books was just plain stupid. Or signing Blake, then letting Blake play, then not trying to waive him, not leaving him in the press box, and all in all, letting him near a set of skates at all while under Leaf contract. Best deal would have to be buying out McCabe. Complete cancer in the locker room.
3: A – We’re not the Blackhawks
B – We’re not the Islanders, Panthers, Senators, Blue Jackets, Sharks, Predators, Canucks, Coyotes, Capitols, Thrashers, Sabres, Blues, Wild, or Kings. We actually have some banners. More than some actually.
C – 1990 doesn’t count as recent. Leafs have matched the oilers since then in playoff appearances, and both have missed in the last two years. We at least realized we sucked :)
4: Still younger than the combined age of all Oiler alumni now running the perpetual 9th place team in Edmonton :)
5: If Burky can get stupid GM’s to trade top end talent for scrap like he has in Anaheim, brhing him on in!
My questions for OilersNation
First OilersNation, I love the 5 question thingy you have on the site. Well done! Read it lots. So now my roast of it to you:
1: What exactly is it like having the highest paid line on your team be your checking line…..on a score first thinking team?
2: How many beers get thrown at TV’s in Edmonton when Souray AND Visnovsky are on the ice at the same time (including warm-ups)?
3: Being that there is a 329 page manual in the works to understand all the subtle, challenging, and sometimes downright stretched “character” in the third jersey, do you like having the old school 80’s one back this year?
4: Why did Oiler fans have to outdo Calgary’s red mile by trashing Whyte ave and blowing each other up in shopping carts?
5: For real now, how does TML get that kickss Oil derrick in the ACC? Because that thing is awesome in the playoffs!
My 5 cents....
1) Don’t think there is a consensus but my feeling is that we don’t need him to NOT make the playoffs for the fourth straight year and take away ice time in offensive situations from others.
2) Pretty much every deal JFJ made was nasty. Grandpa Cliff has cleaned up most of them but Blake is still an eyesore. Best deal was unloading JFJ but as far as trades Grabs and Hags seem to be good moves.
3) Not good.
4) Cliff may be old but he still has more marbles than anyone who has managed the Leafs for the last 30 years.
5) For the love of God I hope Burke doesn’t come here. He is the best GM in the world – just ask him.
1. What is the consensus amongst Leaf fans about the Sundin situation?
- Just Fucking Choose something!
2. What is the worst deal in the past 5 years that the Leafs have done? What has been the best?
-Best – I think Grabs will pan out to be the best, but ill go with Cliffy moving us up in the Draft to get schenn
-Worst- Raycroft for Rask
3. How does it feel knowing that the last Stanley Cup that the Leafs won was when there were 6 teams in the league?
- I have a drinking problem for a reason.
4. Rumor has it that Cliff Fletcher is 612 years old. Is this a concern for Leafs fans?
-only that he might get lost in a mall looking for someone to help him with his katchup problem.
5. Do you hold out hope for Brian Burke coming to town?
- I am anti-Burke, as much as I want to see him demo the media over and over, I don’t think he is who we need at the helm. In Cliff I trust
Because Taking The Leafs Seriously Is Not An Option
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