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The Affirmative View: Decisions have been made the die has been cast

Editor's Note: Since it looks like this Burke thing is as good as done why not take a look at where each side stands. For the affirmative I present DGB of Down Goes Brown fame who will outline exactly why the Brian Burke hiring should be a slam dunk. 

Today's news that Brian Burke is leaving Anaheim and will presumably be landing in Toronto shortly has been met with a mixed reaction among Leaf fans. Many bloggers, most notably MF37, have made the case against Burke.

Well, for the first and probably only time, I'm going to be the voice of optimism in Leafland. I think Burke is a good choice for Leafs GM, and they should move forward with locking him up as soon as possible.

Here's why.

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Cliff Fletcher is not the long-term answer

I love Cliff Fletcher. He gets permanent  legend status in my book thanks to his work rebuilding the Leafs in the early 90s, and he's done a reasonably good job this time around.

But he's not the long-term GM of this team. The man is 97 years old. Yes, he could certainly finish the season if he needed to. But now he doesn't need to.

Burke's not the best GM in the league, but he's the best one available right now

No Leaf fan thinks Burke is a perfect GM (although you should be prepared to read plenty of articles today claiming that we do). He has his faults, and his record is spotty. Even his Cup-winning Ducks team was largely built by Bryan Murray.

Are there GMs out there who could be better fits? Sure. Lou Lamoriello comes to mind. Doug Wilson, Bob Gainey, and David Poile do too. (But not Jim Rutherford, please. We've been down that Carolina one-hit-wonder road once before.)

So Burke may not be the Mr. Right. But he is Mr. Right Now.

Those other guys aren't available now, and may not be for a long time. Yes, some could have openings to negotiate in the off-season, but that's far from a guarantee. The Leafs will always be able to find somebody, somewhere, who could be a better choice than the guy in front of them. At some point, you need to pull the trigger.

And remember, the most critical date on the Leafs calendar this year is the trade deadline. If at all possible, they should have their long-term GM in place by then.

Besides...

Burke's not the best, but he's still pretty good

No, his drafting record isn't great. No problem, since Cliff has already dealt all the Leafs draft picks.

Besides, draft success is largely a function of the scouting department, not to mention a healthy dose of luck. I'm not worried about Burke's success is small-ish markets like Vancouver and Anaheim. I want to know if he'll be able to build a top-level scouting staff in Toronto. Nobody has managed to do it yet, but if Burke can use his connections he may have a shot.

Beyond that, the most common knock on Burke is that he didn't really build the Ducks Cup winner. And while that's mostly true, it's still not fair. Dozens of GMs have inherited championship-calibre rosters without ever winning a thing. And that's just in Ottawa.

Burke may not have drafted Getzlaf and Perry, but he did hit a home run on a blockbuster trade (Pronger) and two huge free agent signings (Niedermayer & Selanne), not to mention adding solid pieces like Beauchemin, O'Donnell and Marchant.

As for not being able to manage the cap, I'm reserving judgement. The NHL has only had a salary cap for four years, and Burke won a championship one of those years. That's not bad.

Burke's arrival means Richard Peddie's departure

Burke is, as they like to say, a "strong personality". Put another way, he's kind of a dick. And while that may be bad news for the local media, it's great news for Leaf fans. Because we've heard several times that Burke will never come to Toronto if he has to deal with Richard Peddie. He wants the Colangelo Plan, or it's no deal.

That means that from the moment Burke walks in the door, Leaf fans should never have to see Richard Peddie empty suit on their TV screen again. And if Peddie breaks his promise, there's an excellent chance that Burke will kill him with his bare hands.

That alone is reason to want Burke in Toronto ASAP.

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Hey...
I present DGD of Down Goes Brown fame who will outline exactly why the Brian Burke hiring should not be a slam dunk.

This DGD guy is a moron. It should be a slam dunk.

Down Goes Brown - Because it's technically possible that things may get better before we all die.

by Down Goes Brown on Nov 13, 2008 11:26 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Don’t worry, this site’s second class blogger is here to save the day!

Pension Plan Puppets*
* Blog contains less than 2% puppet content by weight.

by Chemmy on Nov 13, 2008 11:28 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And that’s why I pay you slave wages.

Pension Plan Puppets: A Toronto Maple Leafs blog and a group therapy session.

by PPP on Nov 13, 2008 11:38 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I thought Chemmy paid you for the privilege of posting here…

Making stuff up since real Leafs news is far too depressing

by loser domi on Nov 13, 2008 12:24 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Exactly, a slave wage. He pays me, works, and I beat him when I’m drunk.

Pension Plan Puppets: A Toronto Maple Leafs blog and a group therapy session.

by PPP on Nov 13, 2008 12:29 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wow, and I thought working at McDonald’s was bad…

Making stuff up since real Leafs news is far too depressing

by loser domi on Nov 13, 2008 12:32 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't get...

your last argument. It confuses me that Peddie would step aside for Burke, but not for Bowman. I guess in the grand scheme of all things MLSE, nothing ever makes sense, but still, I’d rather have a 70+ year old Bowman running the show than Burke

Anybody throws me against the boards I'm gonna piss all over myself.
The Left Coast Lock

by blurr1974 on Nov 13, 2008 11:47 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don’t understand why Peddie wouldn’t step aside for anyone with a pulse, but apparently he won’t. The story goes that Peddie was the major obstacle to bringing in Bowman.

Will he move over for Burke? Tough to say. Peddie could still ruin this. But we do know that Burke won’t come to Toronto unless Peddie is banished. So if they do hire him, it’s going to be a good day.

Down Goes Brown - Because it's technically possible that things may get better before we all die.

by Down Goes Brown on Nov 13, 2008 12:03 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i'm with you there...

but then we’ll all know we could have had bowman a year earlier…and that would have been much better, IMHO

Anybody throws me against the boards I'm gonna piss all over myself.
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by blurr1974 on Nov 13, 2008 12:04 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My Concern

Burke helped revamp the Canucks true, but they never got to the Cup or close to it under Burke’s management. Also I think Burke got too much credit for the Ducks winning the Cup, IMO much of the Duck’s achievements was due to them riding a really hot goaltender who was also using blatantly oversized equipment.

That’s just my 2 cents.

I am still on the fence.

"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)

by Winkle on Nov 13, 2008 11:49 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well...

I think that the Canucks would have won the Stanley Cup if not for Burke’s stubborn insistence that Dan Cloutier was a Stanley Cup-winning goalie.

So the fact that he built a team that good is awesome. The fact that he let it fall apart because of his hubris is bad.

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by PPP on Nov 13, 2008 11:55 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he's in luck

we just so happen to have a struggling goalie between the pipes right now! It’s a perfect fit… :)

Anybody throws me against the boards I'm gonna piss all over myself.
The Left Coast Lock

by blurr1974 on Nov 13, 2008 11:55 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This post needs a title based on a semi-obscure 80s musical reference. Might I suggest “Decisions have been made the die has been cast” or “Color Me Impressed”

A life-long Toronto Maple Leafs fan comments on the team, the media and the exasperation...http://bitterleaf.blogspot.com

by mf37 on Nov 13, 2008 11:50 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Done

I chose the former not that I recognize either.

Pension Plan Puppets: A Toronto Maple Leafs blog and a group therapy session.

by PPP on Nov 13, 2008 11:54 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

whew

For a second I thought DGB had actually titled it that and I was a total moron for not seeing it the first time through…it’s from Husker Du’s “Don’t Want to Know if You Are Lonely”

A life-long Toronto Maple Leafs fan comments on the team, the media and the exasperation...http://bitterleaf.blogspot.com

by mf37 on Nov 13, 2008 11:55 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No, if I was using titles from 1980s music it would either be Guns N Roses or sweater rap.

Down Goes Brown - Because it's technically possible that things may get better before we all die.

by Down Goes Brown on Nov 13, 2008 12:01 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I have no idea what sweater rap is, so I’ll offer up “that old man he’s a real muthafucker” or “we’re not sad kids just lucid ones”

A life-long Toronto Maple Leafs fan comments on the team, the media and the exasperation...http://bitterleaf.blogspot.com

by mf37 on Nov 13, 2008 12:15 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Remember when rap first went mainstream, but it was really poppy and non-threatening and all the rappers wore nice sweaters so they wouldn’t scare white people? That was sweater rap.

Young MC is the king of sweater rap.

Down Goes Brown - Because it's technically possible that things may get better before we all die.

by Down Goes Brown on Nov 13, 2008 12:19 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

bust a move...

Anybody throws me against the boards I'm gonna piss all over myself.
The Left Coast Lock

by blurr1974 on Nov 13, 2008 12:22 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mabye refresh yourself with some funky cool medina?

(not Young mC, but still great sweater rap)

Making stuff up since real Leafs news is far too depressing

by loser domi on Nov 13, 2008 12:25 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I had no idea, I really do learn something new every day.

A life-long Toronto Maple Leafs fan comments on the team, the media and the exasperation...http://bitterleaf.blogspot.com

by mf37 on Nov 13, 2008 12:26 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I would suggest some Mötlëy Crüe – circa Shout at the Devil or Theater of Pain if you’re gonna go the hair metal route. Mainly because umlauts are awesome

Although, I do love me some G n’ R…

Anybody throws me against the boards I'm gonna piss all over myself.
The Left Coast Lock

by blurr1974 on Nov 13, 2008 12:17 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

GNR

GNR’s hair metal was a bit drug-related for this matter, but Burke could pull from their power ballad for his introductory press conference:

“And when your fears subside, and shadows still remain
I know that you can love me, when there’s no one left to blame
So never mind the darkness, we still can find a way
‘Cause nothin’ lasts forever, even cold JFJ pain”

Alternatively, adding an umlaut to Burke would show he’s ready to rock.

/interloper

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by Dominik on Nov 13, 2008 12:32 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ya but...

that’s a 90’s (all be it very early) tune ain’t it?

You’d have to go with “I Think About You” or “Patience” if we’re going to stay 80’s. “Sweet Child…” is disqualified, mainly for being so overplayed, I’m still sick of it, even if that guitar solo kicks ass…

Rules, gots to have ’em…

Anybody throws me against the boards I'm gonna piss all over myself.
The Left Coast Lock

by blurr1974 on Nov 13, 2008 12:37 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe we could use a song that seems to describe Burke’s trading relationship with Kevin Lowe.

You get nothing for nothing if that’s what you do
Turn around Kevin, I got a use for you.

Down Goes Brown - Because it's technically possible that things may get better before we all die.

by Down Goes Brown on Nov 13, 2008 12:40 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

good call...

it’s so easy to see they’re out ta get Burke, they’re all f*$!in’ crazy…

that said, I still don’t want him as GM. Not that it matters or anything. My opinion means zilch, equals squat and has the street value of nada…

Anybody throws me against the boards I'm gonna piss all over myself.
The Left Coast Lock

by blurr1974 on Nov 13, 2008 12:45 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

oh that is good

Every ‘80s GNR I could think of came down to heroin or fleeing police, but clearly there’s more to mine there.

SBN now has a NY Islanders blog at LighthouseHockey.com.

by Dominik on Nov 13, 2008 12:51 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Appetite

is the epitome of rock n’ roll, direct descendent of sticky fingers era Stones. It’s only considered Metal because of the leather and big hair, but it rocks. I’ve probably owned 10 copies of that album in CD/Cassette/Vinyl combined.

Also, I once did Paradise City for karaoke, took me a week to get my voice back…but it was a blast

Anybody throws me against the boards I'm gonna piss all over myself.
The Left Coast Lock

by blurr1974 on Nov 13, 2008 1:19 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I knew I liked you.

Down Goes Brown - Because it's technically possible that things may get better before we all die.

by Down Goes Brown on Nov 13, 2008 1:21 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

thanks...

you’re smart enough, you’re good enough, and gosh darn it, people like you to. I’m liking you right now!

Anybody throws me against the boards I'm gonna piss all over myself.
The Left Coast Lock

by blurr1974 on Nov 13, 2008 1:23 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I like you two too!

Making stuff up since real Leafs news is far too depressing

by loser domi on Nov 13, 2008 1:26 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

shucks...

we all like you also, to, as well…

hugs and glove taps for every one!

Anybody throws me against the boards I'm gonna piss all over myself.
The Left Coast Lock

by blurr1974 on Nov 13, 2008 1:35 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I like you all

But not as much as Nickelback

Oh god I just puked all over my keyboard…

That backfired in more ways then one

"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)

by Winkle on Nov 13, 2008 1:46 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

“I like fishsticks but I love you”

Making stuff up since real Leafs news is far too depressing

by loser domi on Nov 13, 2008 1:50 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I knew that there was a reason I came here!

Apart from the hockey obviously!

I frigging love G’N’R and it’s all I’ve been listening to for the past two weeks. I’m trying to rev myself up for Chinese Democracy. I just hope it doesn’t suck.

by gooner4ever on Nov 14, 2008 6:28 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Rutherford turned down the Leafs?

According to TSN, Rutherford said “no” in August 2007.

All I can say is, thank goodness.

A life-long Toronto Maple Leafs fan comments on the team, the media and the exasperation...http://bitterleaf.blogspot.com

by mf37 on Nov 13, 2008 12:58 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Beat me to it...

…I was just going to post that.

Agreed – bullet dodged. Not that Rutherford’s terrible, just extremely “meh”.

by clark4calder on Nov 13, 2008 1:53 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So why not say that back then instead of answering questions last year (post August 2007) about how he’d love the job, would love to be considered, etc?

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by PPP on Nov 13, 2008 1:56 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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