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A Fireside Chat With Oilers Nation

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I first got to know Oilers fans during the 2006 Cinderella playoff run when fans converged on Whyte Avenue to celebrate victories and build fires to warm them during the long winter months of April, May, and June. They cheered themselves hoarse as their team teased them with the prospect of a return to long-ago glory days before falling at the might of the Hartoline Whalicanes.

In honour of the Leafs' first visit to Western Canada since that fateful season we set up an exchange of penetrating questions with Oilers Nation and Jean Shorts and Bagged Milk (PPP's Note: Bagged milk is the best thing in the world. I hate plastic containers. Take note USA) and their readers. Turns out that their readers can not only start a fire in the dead of winter but they can use the interwebs...who knew.

Chemmy's Note: I have no animosity towards the Oilers. Edmonton, San Jose, Calgary, Minnesota, when it's late I watch those four teams as background noise because I don't care what happens at all.

Ouch. Without further ado:

Star-divide

1. General Borshevsky: Do you hold out hope that NHL superstars will again one day want to play in northern Alberta, and not, say, somewhere nice and pleasant to live?
 
I Am The Law Says: I would consider Souray a 'superstar', moreso than Jeff Finger (I'm sorry, I really cannot rationalize that signing). Also, it seems that free agency is being slightly hobbled by GMs offering longer-range contracts to their young talents, thereby placing more importance on a farm system and scouting than on signing 'superstars'. So with any luck, this question will become moot. (PPP's Note: Hmm...this is starting out entirely too reasonably)
 
Wanye Gretz Says: Having hungout and attended games in 10 NHL cities I can assure you that Edmonton is one of the best barns in the league. Do we pretend that Edmonton in February is more comfortable than Florida? Hell no.

But there isn't an NHLer collecting a dime in any of the 30 markets that doesn't love being a big deal. You have 8 or maybe 9 seasons in the league and after that you are forever known as an ex-NHLer. Want to maximize those years in The Show? Want to score N*Sync level groupies? E-Town baby. (PPP's Note: I am guessing he means quantity over quality)

You are all we got, we pay buckets of dough and no one will ever hear what you do for a living in a bar and say "that's cute" and go looking for an actor or NHL player. Ask someone like Doug Weight what his favorite team was. For that matter, ask The Great One. The stars that matter will continue to play in E-Town. 

2. 1967ers: Where do Oilers fans get off trash talking anyone? Your vaunted youthful speedy star-laden roster has one (count it) more point than the rebuilding doomed-for-last-place slow, no promising youth Leafs do.

As a follow-up, in what Bizarro universe is 1990 considered recent? Nobody under 30 has any vivid memories of the Oilers as a powerhouse.
 
Myr Says: The vaunted youthful speedy star-laden roster is better than a joke-of-a-contract-Jeff-Finger, AHL goalie duo team. Edmonton will improve, only a matter of time before the team clicks with newcomers Cole and Visnovsky. 1990 may not be that recent, but it's not a generation away, like how, oh, say 1967 is. (PPP's Note: Considering the first kids born after the Oilers last Cup are reaching voting age I'd say it's a long time. Then again, in forty years there might be 3 or 4 generations)
 
Wanye Gretz Says: Wow. Firstly Leaf fans asking Oiler fans where they get off chirping people is pretty much the dumbest thing I have ever heard (PPP's Note: You don't remember Kevin Lowe's comment about getting five assets for Pronger?). Check that, the dumbest thing I have ever heard is a team that last won in 1967 asking about recent memory. 1990 wasn't yesterday but there has been a Campbell Conference Final appearance AND a Stanley Cup appearance since then. You have to visit Palliative Care units to find people who remember the Leafs being anything better than terrible. (PPP's Note: Damien, is that you? I guess those four conference finals while the Oilers were fighting off bankruptcy and a disinterested fanbase really are just in our imagination.)

Better still we can chirp you folk because when the Oil heard that Jason Blake and Andrew Raycroft were available they said "pass." What did the Leafs do again? Exactly. We make good decisions out here in Alberta kids. (PPP's Note: Fans of the Anaheim Ducks thank you for your good decisions.)

3. jrwendelman: How did it feel when Chris Pronger and his wife basically hocked a loogie on the statue of Gretz out front of the Rexall Place/Skyreach Centre/Edmonton Coliseum/Northlands Coliseum? How did it feel when Roli the Goalie got steamrollered in Game 1 of the '06 Final, following which the Oil coughed up a three-goal lead and went on to lose the series in 7 games? That's gotta hurt.
 
Gord Says: Yes, it feels horrible making it to the Stanley Cup finals - I guess that's why the Leafs don't try to make it there themselves. (PPP's Note: Bingo. Better to get there and win than get there and lose)
 
Kai Says: It was like we were a newlywed couple and after having our first baby together, he took a good look at us with our stretch marks, extra 20 pounds and cold "you go feed the damn spawn of satan for once" stares and found himself some slut whose jugs would fall out of a turtleneck and left us to pick up the pieces of our shattered lives.
 
Wanye Gretz Says: Honestly dude it felt worse than a cobra enema. You guys couldn't understand what a Game 7 Cup Finals loss followed by you star leaving feels like. It feels bad.

The inevitable divorce Pronger will get will probably feel about the same level of crap. Much like when George Michael left Wham, we the fans move on.

4. PPP: Picking up Dwayne Roloson before the trade deadline in 2006 turned out to be one of Kevin Lowe's best moves as GM. It was one of his last good decisions before stepping down as GM (or screwing up upwards). Then the gamble on Mathieu Garon which worked out really well last year. Now JDD is apparently the second coming of Bill Ranford. What do you think Steve Tambellini is going to do to solve the overflowing crease?
 
Myr Says: I think (hope) that Tambellini is gonna trade off Roloson for a draft pick. He is, in my opinion, a strong backup-quality goalie. He's not consistent enough for number 1, although when he's on, he's phenomenal. Our minor league is filled with a ton of quality prospects. No superstars, sure, but lots of solid solid players.

Roloson isn't enough to get us back a quality prospect relative to what we currently have, so all we could hope for is either a mid draft pick, or a package for that third-line center the Oilers need. For Garon, JDD, and Dubnyk, I think he'll sign Garon for 2-3 years, however long he thinks it'll take for Dubnyk and JDD to be ready for the NHL, then give it over to those kids. They're huge, especially Dubnyk at 6′5″.
 
Rick Says: He is going to trade one to Toronto. It's just a matter of time before the Leafs GM of the moment outsmarts himself once again and decides the rebuild is over and all this team needs is Gary Roberts, at which time he promptly trades Toskala to get him, crowns Jospeh as the starter and then for some veteran experience ships a 1st rounder to Edmonton for Boulerice and Roloson.

5. Chemmy: Since I actually like the Oilers unlike some blogging partners I know my question isn't antagonistic - What is your favourite playoff series post-1990?
 
Bruce Says: 1997: Oilers take out Dallas on the strength of two Cujo shutouts in Dallas (one in double overtime) and his finest moment, a spectacular diving stop on Joe Nieuwendyk in OT in Game 7, setting the stage for Todd Marchant's flyby of Grant Ledyard and perfect shot past Andy Moog. (PPP's Note: That was my favourite too. I leaped about 5 feet in the air when Marchant fired that shot home.)
 
Reggie Says: The most memorable would have to be the '06 run. It brought the city back to life. It was amazing. How can you match the ups and downs of the playoff run or begin to describe the fans singing the national anthem (both US and Canadian ones).

Passion my friend, pure passion ! We were playing hockey in June and showing up to Rexall place in golf shorts, sandals, jerseys and drink beer to keep cool ! It was amazing!
 
BUCK75 Says: 1993 Campbell Conference Finals
It was great watching the Leafs blow the series after Wendel Clark scores a hat trick in game 6, then lose in overtime. Then to Watch Wayne Gretzky score a hat trick in game 7 topped of the misery of Leafs Nation. (PPP's Note: Ah the anti-Leaf presented with an opportunity to share his love for his team and some great memories of past playoff series chooses to pick one that doesn't include their team. Also, they show their lack of hockey knowledge by ignoring THAT IT WAS A HIGH STICK!!!!)

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I like

How most of their answers took cheap jabs at us while the answers PPP submitted were all classy.

I think the whole “they want us to hate them but we just really don’t give a rat’s ass” mentality has never been more clearer here.

I am glad my rant made the cut!

"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)

by Winkle on Nov 13, 2008 3:42 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Wow, Oiler fans are really angry.

Down Goes Brown - Because it's technically possible that things may get better before we all die.

by Down Goes Brown on Nov 13, 2008 3:46 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

don't blame 'em...

they were the toast of the town in the 80’s, and then Gretz left, and the MSM went back to talking about the Leafs.

i can see them being bitter over that.

Also, they live in Edmonton

Anybody throws me against the boards I'm gonna piss all over myself.
The Left Coast Lock

by blurr1974 on Nov 13, 2008 3:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Also, they live in Edmonton

I think this pretty much sums it all up.

If it's after midnight, it must be time for hockey!

by Mattblack on Nov 13, 2008 3:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No kidding eh? I guess it’s because 1990 was EIGHTEEN YEARS AGO!

Things that still existed 18 years ago:
- Everton as a true footballing club
- The USSR
- Communism

Things that weren’t invented 18 years ago:
- cell phones
- the commercial internet
- Black Presidents

Pension Plan Puppets: A Toronto Maple Leafs blog and a group therapy session.

by PPP on Nov 13, 2008 3:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Communism

Still lives on in my heart and always will

"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)

by Winkle on Nov 13, 2008 3:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Socialism

Is apparently just one US Presidential inauguration away. Of course in Canada we’ve been socialists since Pearson.

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by PPP on Nov 13, 2008 3:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Except

With socialism you don’t get to use fun words like “gulags” or “purges or "secret police” or “Josef Stalin”.

"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)

by Winkle on Nov 13, 2008 4:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

don't forget "Motherland"

although Homeland is still kosher i’d imagine

Anybody throws me against the boards I'm gonna piss all over myself.
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by blurr1974 on Nov 13, 2008 4:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

shhh...

you’ll scare the locals and set off the internet censors with that kinda talk.

i had an email chat with a buddy of mine while at work about the whole Obama is a secret muslim BS (don’t start me on it,…) it was Orwellian, the way i kept thinking i shouldn’t be having a convo like that in email, cuz the spooks are gonna bust through the door and drag me off to guantanamo

Anybody throws me against the boards I'm gonna piss all over myself.
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by blurr1974 on Nov 13, 2008 4:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Funny

A perp on my FB wrote she isn’t voting for Obama because she believes he will convert America into socialism.

"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)

by Winkle on Nov 13, 2008 4:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

that's the kind of crap...

i’ve had to deal with for the last two years.

it’s amazing the insanity some people will believe. What’s really sad is, at least according to an incredible article in Newsweek, is McCain had very little to do with it. He wanted to run a clean campaign, but the handlers and powers that be overrode him, of course, he followed along…

anywho, politics sucks down here.

Anybody throws me against the boards I'm gonna piss all over myself.
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by blurr1974 on Nov 13, 2008 4:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

My condolences

Want a hug?

"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)

by Winkle on Nov 13, 2008 4:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

nope..

you still have that “i like Nickelback” disease

Anybody throws me against the boards I'm gonna piss all over myself.
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by blurr1974 on Nov 13, 2008 4:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Not quite

It’s the “I didn’t hate a Nickelback song” illness, it’s like a cold or flu but for the brain.

"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)

by Winkle on Nov 13, 2008 4:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

oh...

so, my nose will run a whole lot and i’ll have a fever, and possibly lose my lunch out both ends? and like a nickelback song?

still not worth it…

Anybody throws me against the boards I'm gonna piss all over myself.
The Left Coast Lock

by blurr1974 on Nov 13, 2008 4:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I dunno why

You keep equating “not hate” with “like” because they are clearly two different things.

"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)

by Winkle on Nov 13, 2008 4:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

no

not hate has more in common with like than hate has with not hate

you can say, i don’t hate bacon, but you’d really be saying i like bacon. if you said i hate bacon, it would be quite clear that you were a moron.

not that you are, just speaking metaphorically…:P

Anybody throws me against the boards I'm gonna piss all over myself.
The Left Coast Lock

by blurr1974 on Nov 13, 2008 4:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

But

The absence of one does not necessarily imply the presence of the other.

"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)

by Winkle on Nov 13, 2008 4:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

no

it does…

without light implies you have darkness, and vice versa.

without bacon implies sadness, and with bacon implies happiness.

hating Nickelback implies common sense and good taste, not hating implies the opposite.

i kid…we all have those guilty pleasures, mine’s weird al yankovic

Anybody throws me against the boards I'm gonna piss all over myself.
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by blurr1974 on Nov 13, 2008 4:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Weird Al's cool

My guilty pleasure is Spongebob Squarepants

BUT, I still hate Nickelback, its just their new single is so different from their usual plethora of utter crap that I don’t hate it right off the bat, but don’t worry give it time, I’m sure once I heard it a few more times my common sense will awaken.

"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)

by Winkle on Nov 13, 2008 4:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

we're all praying for a speedy recovery!

and i ♥ spongebob. My daughter and i watch it every day after school…

Anybody throws me against the boards I'm gonna piss all over myself.
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by blurr1974 on Nov 13, 2008 4:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It's kind of sad

the way people confuse communism (and Leninism, Stalinism, etc) with socialism. People just hear the word and they think back to 10th grade (or grade 10 for my Canadian brethren, I speak both languages) history class and remember learning that socialism is evil.

When really, that kind of thinking makes things like the postal service and nearly every educational institution in the country an evil socialist entity. Silliness, I tell you.

by bobrouse! on Nov 13, 2008 4:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously

The Blue Jays have been awful forever and they were World Series Champions twice since 1990.

Leaf, the universe and everything.

by 1967ers on Nov 14, 2008 10:38 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Eerily similar to the way McCain supporters booed when he mentioned Obama in his concession speech.

Stay classy Oiler fans!

by clark4calder on Nov 13, 2008 7:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

OMG

Guys, check this out:

From the Your Call section in Bob Mackenzie’s article about Burke:

“Someone has to come in and get rid of Ron Wilson. Sitting out Blake, what an insult. Wilson is using Blake as a scapegoat for his own lackluster ability to coach! In his first 12 games, J. Toews had 0 goals and 7 assists. In his first 11 games, A. Ovechkin had 2G and 6A. Did their coaches make them feel like fools by sitting them out?”
-tdog

http://www.tsn.ca/videoyourcall/default.aspx?commentid=178665

5 bucks ‘t-dog’ is Jason Blake.

by AlecB on Nov 13, 2008 4:17 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Wow.

Sorry everyone, the “dumbest fan of the year” contest has been closed two months early.

Down Goes Brown - Because it's technically possible that things may get better before we all die.

by Down Goes Brown on Nov 13, 2008 4:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

...

Now now, he’s got a point. John Toews… Alex Ovechkin… Jason Blake. I see what he’s saying.

by AlecB on Nov 13, 2008 4:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

if Ovie had Blake and not Semin...

he’d still have a goose egg in points…

Anybody throws me against the boards I'm gonna piss all over myself.
The Left Coast Lock

by blurr1974 on Nov 13, 2008 4:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Its not Blake

Its Cox

"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)

by Winkle on Nov 13, 2008 4:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

were there any animated gifs?

cuz that would answer a few things…

Anybody throws me against the boards I'm gonna piss all over myself.
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by blurr1974 on Nov 13, 2008 4:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

BWAHAHAHAHA

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by PPP on Nov 13, 2008 4:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think you're right...

…who else would comment about how a coach made a player “feel”?

Hang in there tdog – someone will get hurt and you’ll be back in there launching floaters from the blueline in no time.

by clark4calder on Nov 13, 2008 4:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Geez

Shut up! Sydney Crosby shot from the blue-line once and didn’t score too you know.

by AlecB on Nov 13, 2008 4:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

But...

Sergio Momesso did score from there once.

Therefore, Sergio Momesso >>>>>>> Sidney Crosby and Jason Blake.

QED.

by clark4calder on Nov 13, 2008 4:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Or

that classic shot from the side hatchmarks that goes wide of the net and ends up clearing the zone.

And don’t even get me started on the one where he circles the net and does his best Bates Battaglia turn around shot impression.

by bobrouse! on Nov 13, 2008 4:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hahahahaha

Pension Plan Puppets*
* Blog contains less than 2% puppet content by weight.

by Chemmy on Nov 13, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Psh bagged milk. We own that sheeeet.

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by FrankD on Nov 13, 2008 4:54 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

PS – great for aerial attacks, a third graders fantasized grasp of a breast implant and explosive diarrhea jokes (chocolate milk only)

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by FrankD on Nov 13, 2008 4:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Bagged milk lacks that plastic-y taste of containers. How anyone could prefer it is beyond me.

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by PPP on Nov 13, 2008 5:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ya...

plastic bags, just like mother nature intended…

i don’t miss those one bit, sorry gang…

Anybody throws me against the boards I'm gonna piss all over myself.
The Left Coast Lock

by blurr1974 on Nov 13, 2008 5:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

milk in bags

resulted in a massive debate among my friends and I. Someone did end up explain how it’s like a cow’s udder, which I understand but…aren’t they like big water balloons? don’t they burst while the stores are storing/transporting them?

Making stuff up since real Leafs news is far too depressing

by loser domi on Nov 13, 2008 5:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

a good benching never hurt anyone

Last night King Patrick of the Remparts put our boy Stefanovich on the 4th line to start the game because he felt that his point a game output was not sufficient. The relegation lasted all of a half a period, he scored two goals.

by blue with age on Nov 13, 2008 5:03 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Hey! That’s great news.

Pension Plan Puppets: A Toronto Maple Leafs blog and a group therapy session.

by PPP on Nov 13, 2008 5:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Fuck yeah, call him up!

Down Goes Brown - Because it's technically possible that things may get better before we all die.

by Down Goes Brown on Nov 13, 2008 5:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I was thinking more that King Patrick could convince Blake to play here. He’s the same size as most of the guys and could serve as an effective scapegoat the next time the blueberries from the Saguenay come down to beat the shit out of the boys. He could even play goalie.

by blue with age on Nov 13, 2008 5:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Great stuff

Cheers to the Oilers fans, for probably being the best damn fans in Canada outside of LeafNation.

by general borschevsky on Nov 13, 2008 9:27 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

stacked up against the competition, that really isnt hard.

Because Taking The Leafs Seriously Is Not An Option

by JaredFromLondon on Nov 13, 2008 10:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oilers fans

Are a really interesting study. They’re passionate, but I often wonder if their passion stems from spite more than anything else.

Calgary has a Red Mile? Well fine, we’ll set fires and “riot” on Whyte Ave.
Leafs fans run you out of your own building? Just repeat “1967” ad nauseum.
No good news about your own team? Just complain about the Leafs in the paper.

I dunno, living in Edmonton is funny.

by dare_ on Nov 14, 2008 11:23 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Shorter Oilers Nation

“We got nothin’, but if we say 1967 enough, maybe nobody will notice. When it’s pointed out that we have nothing to chirp about, let’s just chirp LOUDER….”

Their response to the fact that the Leafs were within a point of them (actually, now a point ahead of them? “At least we didn’t sign Jeff Finger.” Way to stay on point, guys.

The good news is that they’ve proven themselves eminently qualified to work for the Toronto Star.

Leaf, the universe and everything.

by 1967ers on Nov 14, 2008 11:50 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Jeff Finger > Souray

Because Taking The Leafs Seriously Is Not An Option

by JaredFromLondon on Nov 14, 2008 1:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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