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So as we like to make it pretty clear around these parts a big part of why we enjoy running this site is that you guys are good people. More often than not we're either laughing at a great joke or learning something from a fanpost or comment. Game Threads are the perfect embodiment of the online sports bar with topics running the gamut of topics. And that's one thing we don't want to change. But...

The fact that you guys come here to chit chat during the day or night or early morning or any time of day is pretty cool. However, sometimes it gets really off-topic and the resulting flood of comments can slow down the comments in those threads and hit a bit too close to NSFW for some people's comfort. On the other hand, we don't want to discourage you from getting to know the rest of the community so we have installed Loser Domi in the role of Minister of Chit Chat. Her duties will involve posting a fanshot titled Chitty Chatty Bang Bang (Chemmy's brainchild) which will hopefully serve as a catch-all for all of the comments that don't really discuss the post at hand. Plus, now Winkle knows that all attempts at getting him fired are in one easily avoidable thread.

Of course, Game Threads remain the awesome free-for-all (within reason) that they have always been. Any questions or concerns can go in this thread. Now, onto the links:

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GET THAT FAN SHOT UP DOMI OR YOU’RE FIRED

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by Chemmy on Nov 17, 2008 10:29 AM EST reply actions  

Hopefully she doesn’t show up to work drunk.

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by PPP on Nov 17, 2008 10:31 AM EST up reply actions  

If she does we might as well have hired Jared.

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by Chemmy on Nov 17, 2008 10:42 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm not drunk (yet)

working on a big exam for this afternoon,

Making stuff up since real Leafs news is far too depressing

by loser domi on Nov 17, 2008 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

It’s up now, you slave drivers.

PS: a little advance warning as to time would be appreciated in the future.

Making stuff up since real Leafs news is far too depressing

by loser domi on Nov 17, 2008 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

I dont show up at work drunk, I get drunk while I work, its more efficient

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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 17, 2008 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

We’re not trying to cut down on what goes around here, we’re just trying to separate off topic socializing and hockey talk. :)

If everybody hates it we’ll stop doing it, but let’s give it a try.

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by Chemmy on Nov 17, 2008 10:30 AM EST reply actions  

TWSS?

:P

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by blurr1974 on Nov 17, 2008 10:45 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m actually pretty happy with this move. The off-topic stuff was fun but some threads were growing so quickly that I couldn’t keep track of what was going on. And the game threads would actually make my browser panic and freeze up like Bryan McCabe defending a 2-on-1.

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by Down Goes Brown on Nov 17, 2008 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

They make my one computer clam up. I think on big nights we might have to start putting overflow threads in place. How many comments before your starts freaking out? Mine is around 300/400.

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by PPP on Nov 17, 2008 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

My internets couldn’t keep up sometimes if I reloaded the page with 700+ comments so I would have to twiddle my thumbs and wait for them to all load..

I was thinking it might be of use to have a PPP chat, I’m not sure if there would be something like irc (something web based perhaps) that could allow for the rapid fire chit-chat that energizes the place. Any idea if SBN has any plans to embed something like that in the site?

by LeafFanInVan on Nov 17, 2008 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

that would be kinda cool...

except i love the threads on game day. i dunno, i’m torn. whatever the consensus is i’ll be happy with.

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by blurr1974 on Nov 17, 2008 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I think we’re going to end up splitting the game thread by period.

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by Chemmy on Nov 17, 2008 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I like this idea, but that would require one of you or PPP to always be around during game days. As much I like to think this is your lives, I would think real life does call sometimes. After all, y’all have to help mom make those cookies upstairs.

by bkblades on Nov 17, 2008 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I like keeping the game threads as international waters (anything goes), But I also like having the results archived for later reading. Would IRC allow that?

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by loser domi on Nov 17, 2008 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Most irc clients/servers have the ability to log to a plaintext file, shouldn’t be a big issue..

by LeafFanInVan on Nov 17, 2008 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

then again...

with this set up, it’s easier to keep track of comedy pyramids as they are built

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by loser domi on Nov 17, 2008 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

Plus the other stuff isn’t going to happen :P Overflow threads are the simple solution that works great.

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by PPP on Nov 17, 2008 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Does the problem only arise when the number of posts get too high or are there other times?

If it’s the former then I think just going with overflow threads things’ll be fine.

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by PPP on Nov 17, 2008 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

My browser

conks out at around 250-300. What are overflow threads?

by Karina on Nov 17, 2008 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Not sure

Why you guys are having problems. My desktop of 2.5 years with FF can load a 1000+ post thread in like 3 seconds flat, and my laptop of 4 years with FF can load one of those threads in under 10 seconds.

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by Winkle on Nov 17, 2008 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmmm

my machines are much newer than that, but both IE and FireFox get really grumpy when there’s over 250 comments. Are there any settings in firefox that I could change?

by Karina on Nov 17, 2008 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

No

How much stuff do you run in the background of your computer? Check the task bar on the bottom right corner next to the clock and see how many icons you have and what you’re running. Typical Windows system has like half a dozen to a dozen programs running in the back that hogs up all your system resources (memory, CPU etc.). I keep mine clean, the only thing I have running in the background is a virus scanner so my PC’s always run pretty smooth.

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by Winkle on Nov 17, 2008 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Basically they are just continuations of the game threads so new postings to take some of the burden off of the game thread.

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by PPP on Nov 17, 2008 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I think I got it

If you uncheck Autorefresh, it goes pretty fast. Then you can refresh manually by pressing F5. My browser was getting frostbite and this seem to have thawed it.

by leosc on Nov 17, 2008 8:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Bloc Signal

I tried to do that Cox mess this morning, but I gave up part way through and deleted the post. I may try again later on. What a disaster of logic.

by Kim Jorn on Nov 17, 2008 10:44 AM EST reply actions  

I read it, wanted to cut it up, and felt my spirit so crushed that I was hoping that one of you guys could muster the energy.

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by PPP on Nov 17, 2008 10:51 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m taking another shot at it right now.

by Kim Jorn on Nov 17, 2008 11:00 AM EST up reply actions  

I’ve managed to avoid the Omen for about a week and then I clicked on that link in your post…I don’t know that I’ve ever encountered such a deadly combination of condecension and pharisaism.

And now my cleansing fast has to start again, got to get those sanctimonious toxins (Coxins?) out of my system.

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by mf37 on Nov 17, 2008 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

I had to read some Hat and Brunt to stop the shaking.

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by PPP on Nov 17, 2008 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

HABS Fans...

i liked that post, but the comments were pretty sad. Habs fans were blaiming everyone but themselves for breaking the rules. True, it’s an all star game, and if it mattered (which it thankfully doesn’t, I’m looking at you MLB) so whoever gets in the game, well good for them. It’s just the excuses givven in those comments that were kind of sad -

I know this has been said in almost every comment here, but I want to repeat it again. Not only is it offensive to be called “embarrassing” it’s a little hurtful to fans showing their support. – fant-HAB-ulous
IF the NHL did not want this stuff to happen, they would have made changes after the Fitzpatrick incident – VintageFan

that kind of thinking is inidvative of a guilty party if you ask me. The whole, it’s not my fault you didn’t stop me from cheating, or just because I’m cheating doesn’t make me an embarrasment to other fans. Well, I think yes it does, and yes it is…

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by blurr1974 on Nov 17, 2008 10:50 AM EST reply actions  

If Habs fans wanted to show their support without being offensive then they would have done it properly.

The NHL should take the vote away because all it does is ensure that deserving people miss out. Why not just have the 30 GMs vote on it two weeks before the game?

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by PPP on Nov 17, 2008 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

In a place where everything is either blue or red, the fact that we are blue and they are red is an irony so delicious that ensures all the hate cells that I store in my spleen are reserved for them.

by blue with age on Nov 17, 2008 11:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Would you want the GM’s voting on the starting line up? Personally, I think the entire team should be by vote, and then let the coaches decide starting line ups. this way, you’re getting all the popular players into the game, and showing respect to the fans. In an instance like this (centennial, all star game in MTL) let the fans go hog wild, and if the coach decides to throw the home fans a bone and ice the 5 habs on the team, then great. if he doesn’t, great.

honestly, the whole vote for Rory campaign was great for hockey. Sure he’s not an “all-star” but it’s players like that, that a lot of fans just love to watch. Responsible, two way, lunch pailers and grinders are what make hockey as a team sport, one of the greatest metaphors for life there is, but i’m off on a tangent. Really, and fan driven initiative should be taken seriously and not as a throw away. There are lots of guys in the league that people love because of their work ethic and commitment to the team, not because they can dangle and stick handle through 5 guys. There are lots of guys in hockey I love to watch and root for (when not playing against the leafs) specifically for these qualities. Madden is one that comes to mind right away, another is Mike Grier on SJ. They are just as deserving of fan recognition as the big $ big name players. So let’s recognize them.

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by blurr1974 on Nov 17, 2008 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think it has to be an either or proposition.

Give each group of voters – be it fans, Coaches/GMs, sportswriters or ice girls – a portion of the roster to select. One can pick the starting six, another can pick the next fifteen, and then the final group can vote for the last roster spot on each team picking a grinder/ fan favourite/ ironic player du jour/ best moustache etc.

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by mf37 on Nov 17, 2008 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

It’s tough because I want to see the best players there but fans should get some vote and players don’t really seem to care about being all-stars or playing in the game beyond what leverage it gives them when negotiating new contracts.

Actually, maybe we should all start voting for the Habs so that they can’t keep the team together.

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by PPP on Nov 17, 2008 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

good call...

but i think mf is on to something…best moustache…Ian White, all star…George Parros, all star…Hollweg might even get consideration with the handlebars he’s got going on…!

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by blurr1974 on Nov 17, 2008 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Hollweg has an underrated patch of facial hair. I didn’t think anyone would be able to replace Hal Gill’s handlebars but Ryan took on the challenge.

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by PPP on Nov 17, 2008 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

As one of the major contributors...

…to off-topic spamming, I think this is probably a good idea ;)

Glad that you guys are open to keeping the off-topic chit chat around, because I do think it adds to the character of the place.

by clark4calder on Nov 17, 2008 10:59 AM EST reply actions  

We like the OT stuff too, it’s just been sort of overshadowing hockey discussion and this place is Leafs first, everything else second.

Glad to see most of you like the idea.

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by Chemmy on Nov 17, 2008 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

off topic

yeah, it’s a good idea to keep it separate, Just let me know if there’s a time limit or deadline or whatever next time

kthnxbai

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by loser domi on Nov 17, 2008 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

6am sharp soldier!

Just kidding…in the morning though.

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by PPP on Nov 17, 2008 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Wendel

I had totally forgotten about that rush against the Devils and the subsequent ovation. What a great moment and a terrific response from the crowd.

I promised myself I wouldn’t cry… Damn you, DGB!

by clark4calder on Nov 17, 2008 11:19 AM EST reply actions  

Side note: I’m working on possible surprise guest post for later this week from a hardcore Leaf fan who, as best I know, has never been heard from in the Barilkosphere. Stay tuned…

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by Down Goes Brown on Nov 17, 2008 11:24 AM EST reply actions  

:O

It’s Wendel isn’t it?! anything less will be a let down.

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by PPP on Nov 17, 2008 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh great.

If it’s not Wendel, now my cool surprise will seem like a crappy letdown in comparison.

And if it is Wendel, he’s going to punch out all of PPP’s blood for ruining the surprise.

We lose either way.

P.S. It’s not Wendel.

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by Down Goes Brown on Nov 17, 2008 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Phew

So I get to keep all of my blood? Thank Wendel.

Is it Dougie?

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by PPP on Nov 17, 2008 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Introducing guest blogger Doug Gilmour.

“Fuck you, you fucking homo.”

Thanks for stopping by Dougie! * swoons *

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by Chemmy on Nov 17, 2008 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Please stop causing problems.

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by Down Goes Brown on Nov 17, 2008 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

is it Rob Lowe?

Star of the second greatest hockey movie EVAR!? :)

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by blurr1974 on Nov 17, 2008 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

No, this person skates better.

(See? A hint that didn’t actually eliminate a single person on the planet.)

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by Down Goes Brown on Nov 17, 2008 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Cuba Gooding Jr?

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by blurr1974 on Nov 17, 2008 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Stephen Hawking?

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by Chemmy on Nov 17, 2008 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s not Mike Myers, is it? Not that I’ve ever heard of the guy.

by general borschevsky on Nov 17, 2008 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Not that I was at all involved

in the off-topic comment deluges (not me, no sir!) but I do think this is a good idea to let people who want to talk about important stuff like life-sized dolls have a place to do it where they won’t bother the people who just want to talk hockey Good job guys!

by Mabel on Nov 17, 2008 11:26 AM EST reply actions  

Good

We were a little worried about how it would go over.

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by PPP on Nov 17, 2008 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn't worry

I think everyone will be on board. We want to keep hanging out in your mom’s basement, so we’re willing to abide by the rules.

by Mabel on Nov 17, 2008 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

I think the last thing anyone wants is a hockey blog that turns into a place where people don’t talk about hockey.

You and Chemmy run a great place here, and I would never want to do anything to make it less than great.

I do, after all, come here to talk hockey first and foremost. I just tend to get sidetracked from time to time.

To the fanshots!

by clark4calder on Nov 17, 2008 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Paging loser domi…

Loser domi to the front of the blog.

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by Chemmy on Nov 17, 2008 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

IT'S ALREADY THERE

stop yelling at me…

(cries in corner)

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by loser domi on Nov 17, 2008 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Burke

I was initially of the mindset that I didn’t want BB coming in and screwing with our team. I wanted Cliffy as GM until death, and then move Joey N into the GM slot.

Thanks to the coverage by TSM, NHL fanhouse, and DGB (amongst a few others) I’ve turned a corner. I’m kind of anxious to get started now. I think that, if nothing else, he’ll be able to get the focus and excuses off of the front office, and turn all attention to the ice, where, hopefully, he’ll build an entertaining team that can win more than it loses.

Anyone else have that change of heart?

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by blurr1974 on Nov 17, 2008 11:43 AM EST reply actions  

I am, as always, cautiously optimistic

One thing I have thought was that judging the pre-lockout records was tough because there were so many other ways of forming a team. Quinn, for example, could use first rounders to sweeten trades because the Leafs didn’t have to develop their top line players in house.

Obviously, as has been pointed out, it’s tough to judge post-lockout results too.

Basically, I am nervous either way. When I read posts about how great he will be I get excited and then Cox writes about how Burke will trade every player I like because he’s not a behemoth Canadian and I worry. I just want to win dammit.

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by PPP on Nov 17, 2008 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

precisely why...

i don’t read cox.

Burke built one team in Vancouver, with an entirely different identity than that of the one in Anaheim. I think he’s intelligent enough to know that two things sell in TO, toughness and winning. if that means he starts trading for guys like Shane Doan, Brendan Morrow and Dustin Brown (you will love him, stop fighting me on this…) then I say “let’s do this!”

My only area of concern (still) is his goaltending record. As you pointed out, were it not for his insistance on sticking with Cloutier, they would have had a serious team in Van. Right now, Toskala is quickly showing himself to not be the goalie we need. Can Burke (and the scouts) identify the right goalie, and if so, is he already in our system (Pogge, cough…)?

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by blurr1974 on Nov 17, 2008 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

A big reason for the next GM’s success whether it’s Burke or not is how they harness the best financial resources in the league. If they build a top-notch scouting staff, hire the best minor league coaching possible (and not some dummy looking to get back to an NHL job), and exert the financial muscle of the Maple Leafs then that will go a long way towards making the franchise successful again.

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by PPP on Nov 17, 2008 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Is that your way of saying

Dougie shouldn’t be coaching?

I agree, spend the money where you can without limits. At the end of the day though, it’s the team on the ice that will decide their fate. How Burke shapes that team, and it’s identity will go a long way in how that decision is made by the players.

I think leadership on the ice is still an issue, and I agree that the decision should be postponed until Sundin makes a decision on where, or even if, he’s going to play again. That’s a whole other can of worms, but the ties could be easily severed by Burke coming in and saying he’s “staying the course” and Mats won’t be back.

Whether or not anyone agrees with that approach, you must admit, it would be a definitive turning of the page so to speak, and would go miles in helping to forge that new team identity.

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by blurr1974 on Nov 17, 2008 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Dougie

No, I meant they shouldn’t be parachuting ex-NHL coaches into the position because their goal is to win in order to recapture another NHL job. A guy like Dougie (an unproven coach) has the dual goal of trying to win AND develop players for the NHL. He is trying to prove that not only can he win but that he can work with young players because his first job is likely to be in a rebuilding situation.

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by PPP on Nov 17, 2008 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I was of the initial persuasion that an egotistical ivy league educated fast talking haircut coming to run the team can only be a bad thing. But I am open to the possibility that a narcissistic giant head could be motivated by the even larger ego fulfilling objective of becoming the guy that brought the cup home. He also offers stability in the Wendel sense, that once he’s in place it’s going to take an equally unmovable object with a death wish to oppose him. This could be a positive workplace for the young guys to learn the ropes. Plus, I am sure he is already commissioning artists for the imposing profile that the Canadian $20 bill will feature after his next cup.

by blue with age on Nov 17, 2008 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

scratch that...

Dougie wants to coach in the O as we all know now…

that’s a move i don’t get, but i’m sure rampant speculation and rumour fodder can be done on that post.

rebuild/develop shouldn’t be synonomous with one another, and i don’t think you’re saying that. However, winning and developing can (and should be synonomous.) Depending upon the plan the GM lays out, the coach should know what he’s getting. If the expectation is to play the kids at the expense of the record (NYI comes to mind here) you either do it, or you get out (or are fired, again NYI.) If the edict is to win at all costs, then the GM should be supplying the coach with the players needed. If those players are in the system, then the coach should play them. N’est pas?

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by blurr1974 on Nov 17, 2008 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I meant at the AHL level. Going back to last year’s debacle with Pogge and Clemmensen for whatever reason (because Steve showed that statiscally there was none) Gilbert decided that it would help his team win to go with Scotty. There should have been no question who was starting those games but somehow there was.

I agree with what you are saying but at the NHL level. At the AHL level there is one goal: developing players for the NHL.

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by PPP on Nov 17, 2008 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Wellwood

A couple little things about Kyle’s resurgence:

- as a player whose bread and butter is his ability as a playmaker, Wellwood has 1 assist in 12 games.
- his 7 goals have come on 20 shots. Think he’ll maintain a 35% shooting percentage over the course of a season? He’s had the midas touch so far this season, and good on him, but what happens when he returns to the normal 12-15% shooting percentage he has typically had, particularly when he’s not even getting two shots per game?

Leaf, the universe and everything.

by 1967ers on Nov 17, 2008 12:11 PM EST reply actions  

And four of his seven goals are powerplay markers…

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by PPP on Nov 17, 2008 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

He’ll cool off, anyone who thinks right now that dumping Wellwood was a bad move has completely forgotten that Wilson wants to build a team based upon solid work ethic. Whatever Wellwood’s talents, he’s lacking in the work ethic.

Although Vigneault seems to be getting through to him about back checking, I’ve been more impressed with his defensive play lately than I ever was when he was a Leaf.

It’s a good think Luongo can post these shutouts because when Kyle slows down, their offence will go back to being anemic and they’ll be in trouble once again.

by Karina on Nov 17, 2008 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s a good point about him backchecking. Vigneault is a defensively minded coach, so I’m not surprised he tied better defensive coverage with work ethic.

I still maintain the key to the Canucks, aside from Luongo, will be Demitra. Whatever Wellwood will be doing is supplemental, bonus, the third goal in those 4-1 wins.

by bkblades on Nov 17, 2008 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

it should be

but it hasn’t been. He’s been carrying the offence, it seems, the last few games. Kesler’s also doing well. But the Sedins have been nearly invisible. Gillis has to to pull something out of a hat if he wants this team to progress in the playoffs, because I just don’t see it.

by Karina on Nov 17, 2008 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

You’re right that the Canucks are built very precariously this season. But Wellwood, along with the other struggling players, are going through a cyclical scoring pattern. I don’t see Wellwood going beyond his totals now, let alone maintaining his scoring touch when the season becomes a real grind. And more importantly, if the Sedins don’t get up to their PPG pace, the Canucks don’t make the playoffs.

Good for Wellwood keeping the Canucks afloat right now, but the Canucks can’t possibly see themselves achieving a lot of success if Wellwood is their leading scorer by the end of the season. Or maybe they’re more delusional than I give them credit for…

by bkblades on Nov 17, 2008 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

they have a first year GM

who put all his eggs in the Sundind sweepstakes basket, and came up empty handed.

Bernier has not shown to be the right guy to play with the Sedins, and Demitra, you can bet, will be back on the IR again before the season is out.

As far as Welly, I think Koopa Kid has covered all the angles on that on his blog post. Not much more i can add to that.

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by blurr1974 on Nov 17, 2008 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m thinking Gillis is only appeasing the fans and ownership by going for it all this season because he just arrived. The Sundin deal further confirms that to me.

I foresee him changing a lot of the team next season and putting his own stamp by going through a reloading season next year. I can’t say rebuilding, since you can’t waste an asset like Luongo under contract, but we’ll see how Gillis does in the next two seasons.

by bkblades on Nov 17, 2008 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

And how that process goes will determine if Luongo’s going to stick around…

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by PPP on Nov 17, 2008 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

it could begin early..

isn’t Ohlund still unsigned after this year? Lot’s of questions out there in VAN. They still require a definitive first line, and i don’t see that being the Sedins, unless they somehow manage to bring in a right winger that pushes their production into the 80+ point range. It’s a great thing that they play so wel together, very cerebral, but it seems like it’s almost impossible to find another winger for those two that can mind meld with them, for lack of a better term. If it were me, I’d throw Kessler up there with them, and see how that works. he’s a decent two way player, with some grit and a slight goal scoring touch (like Peca circa 96-97)

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by blurr1974 on Nov 17, 2008 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Sedins

are highly overrated. They look like very lazy players – if they didn’t coast through the neutral zone so much, I think they could raise the point totals themselves. Honestly, they don’t move their feet enough, and you’d think that this year being a contract year, they’d be playing harder than they are.

Thing is, I don’t see them going anywhere else either because they’re a package deal and who’d take the risk?

by Karina on Nov 17, 2008 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Soft as a pair of dainty creampuffs too

by LeafFanInVan on Nov 17, 2008 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

If you were a giant fetus, you’d be scared of contact too.

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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 17, 2008 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Sounds familiar...

…looks like Welly has a brother in lard:

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=256277&lid=sublink01&lpos=headlines_main

Did you know that these guys don’t even like hockey? Did you know that they don’t even have a passion for the game that much?

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by clark4calder on Nov 17, 2008 2:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Interesting, so when Burke said the guy wasn’t really worth going nuts for it wasn’t just all sour grapes perhaps? Maybe this negative (leaving Penner unprotected) is actually a positive!

by LeafFanInVan on Nov 17, 2008 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Mirtle’s got a good look at Penner and his deceptive stats in Anaheim and last year.

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by PPP on Nov 17, 2008 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s prime for disaster. Lowetide and company share their thoughts. I would go with the countdown to canning MacT although it’s not really his fault that Kevin Lowe made such a monumentally bad move.

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by PPP on Nov 17, 2008 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

sounds to me like...

Mac saw how Wilson benching Blake lit a fire under Blake’s @$$, and thought maybe he could do the same…

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by blurr1974 on Nov 17, 2008 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

From Lowetide's Comments:

Jonathan:

I know there are people out there who will say – "look at MacT ripping Penner when Penner doesn’t really deserve it" and make the argument that as a result, MacTavish is a bad coach. I’ll refer those people to NHL-coaching-flavour-of-the-month Ron Wilson, who did the exact same thing to Jason Blake and recieved virtually nothing but praise for it. (Blake, btw, has the third best Corsi number on the Leafs, at +13.2)

The difference? Wilson’s in his first year with the team, and he can get away with it. The message may be right, but it’s entriely possible that the voice saying it may lose the room. We’ll have a good idea if that’s happened in the next ten games or so.

Now, I’d argue that Blake’s Corsi number is so high because he shoots the puck once he sees the white of the ice but a good point nonetheless.

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by PPP on Nov 17, 2008 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Jason Blake having a high Corsi number is a pretty good critique of why the Corsi number is meaningless.

Assuming that hitting the goalie with the puck is somehow better than missing the net by an inch or two is pretty stupid. A miss is a miss on either side.

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by Chemmy on Nov 17, 2008 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, like any stat you don’t use it in isolation like that guy did. Sure, it’s great that he’s +13.2 but his shooting percentage is also miniscule so he’s not doing much with that advantage.

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by PPP on Nov 17, 2008 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

or when you factor how much he sucks most of the time

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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 17, 2008 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

absolutley

the TSSOTI (time spent sucking on the ice) stat should be applied to any and all stat based discussion.

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by blurr1974 on Nov 17, 2008 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

You know what would be cool? If you figured out how often a player scored while on the ice. That would be a useful stat.

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by Chemmy on Nov 17, 2008 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

HAHAHAHA

Yeah, it would be. Just like RBIs are the perfect stat for offensive players. Aren’t you an engineer? Why don’t you love all stats?

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by PPP on Nov 17, 2008 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

the way you worded that, C4C

I thought “brother in lard” meant his brother Eric (who may/may not be in the Leafs system somewhere, I forget) went through the same thing as Kyle. I thought, “What is this, genetic?”

Making stuff up since real Leafs news is far too depressing

by loser domi on Nov 17, 2008 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Me too

I thought that we were going to see a picture of Eric by the pool.

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by PPP on Nov 17, 2008 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

with a black leg cast, rolling a j…

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by loser domi on Nov 17, 2008 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry for the confusion...

…it was actually a hackneyed attempt at a play on words that failed on two levels, most obviously because “brother in lard” does not rhyme with “brother in arms”.

But oh, to have a shirtless photo of a paunchy Eric Wellwood…that would just be the bee’s knees.

by clark4calder on Nov 17, 2008 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

for what it's worth...

i was tracking with you all the way. but then, i don’t read books so clever alliteration and mixed metaphors are like a 747…over my head.

also, i’m kinda dumb. :P

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by blurr1974 on Nov 17, 2008 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

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