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It's Time To Hold Toskala Accountable-No More Excuses

The Toronto Maple Leafs returned to the Air Canada Centre tonight to face the Boston Bruins in their first game back from a Western Canadian road trip. They dominated the B's completely, as they outshot them, outworked them, and clearly outplayed them for most of the game. The Bruins seemed to be on their heels for the vast majority of the 2nd and 3rd periods as the Maple Leafs dictated puck possession. So, of course, it is only fitting that the Leafs wound up losing this game. 3-2 was the final score and the Leafs dropped yet another game that they deserved to win.

Starting in net once again for the Maple Leafs was Andrew "The Razor" Raycroft. Er...I mean Vesa Toskala. Please forgive my mistake - it's getting harder and harder to tell the difference. Tonight did nothing to help that, as Toskala allowed 3 goals on 22 shots overall. No matter how you slice it, that is a pretty abysmal number. The troubling part is, only one of the goals scored against him truly looked like he had no chance of stopping. The other two were questionable at best. This isn't just my opinion however as Maple Leafs coach Ron Wilson was quoted as calling the first goal scored by Phil Kessel "an easy stop." Another one scored by Michael Ryder in the 2nd period looked harmless as well. If Toskala manages to stop just one of these "softies" then the game would have seen overtime and the Maple Leafs would have had a shot at winning it. Instead, he cost his team 2 points when the Leafs did everything they could to win this game.

Now, I'm not saying this loss is 100% Vesa's fault but it is time to stop making excuses. If our goaltending had been even marginally better the Toronto Maple Leafs likely would have been the victors tonight as well as on Saturday night in Vancouver and a handful of other games I won't mention. Now, one can say the defense is not helping him and the Leafs need to do a better job in their own end. This is a rather popular excuse and I have heard it many times this year. So let's take a look at how little help Toskala is receiving from the Maple Leafs defense shall we?

One statistic that immediately stands out for me is that the Leafs are currently allowing an average of 26.6 shots on goal per game. If you don't feel like looking it up that is the 3rd lowest average in the league. That means the Maple Leafs are doing a pretty good job of limiting the amount of shots the opposition has and let's face it - 26 shots isn't a whole lot for an NHL goalie to face on any given night. Lately though, the Leafs have allowed even fewer than that average in their last couple of games. They only gave up 22 shots tonight against Boston. Even more impressive though was that they held Vancouver to a meager 15 shots on Saturday. Does that sound like a defense not doing its job? Somewhere in those 15 shots however, Toskala managed to allow 4 goals. The only way that number can even be remotely acceptable is if the Leafs decided to start Stevie Wonder in net.

Another measure of how well a defense is playing is how many pucks they throw their bodies in front of. Blocking shots has been a gospel that Ron Wilson has preached to the Maple Leafs since he first arrived in Toronto. His reasoning with this is simple: if your team is blocking shots, the goalie is forced to make fewer saves thus making his job easier. How have the Leafs fared in this department? They currently sit 3rd in the NHL with 153 blocked shots. Clearly Wilson's message has gotten through and this team has been fearlessly blocking shots since the beginning of the season. Here's the depressing part though: through all this Vesa Toskala still manages a dismal 3.23 GAA and an .878 save percentage. I'm sorry but you can't pin that one on the defense. The numbers don't lie, and Kubina, Finger, Schenn and company have all done their jobs as well as Wilson expected them too.

Clearly, the Toronto Maple Leafs have a problem. Or rather, Vesa Toskala has one. It is time to stop making excuses and start holding the guilty party accountable. Jason Blake and Matt Stajan have been benched for poor play and its high time Toskala was held to the same standard. I think watching a few games from the press box would help to wake him up. The Leafs may not have many options in goal but they have to do something. I have advocated calling up Pogge in a previous post but even the senior citizen Curtis Joseph would be an upgrade over Vesa's horrible play right now. Actually, just about anybody would be better at the moment. Perhaps Ian White could continue shuffling positions and try his hand at goalie? I'm willing to bet he could deflect pucks with that God awful mustache of his and post a better save percentage than Toskala. The Toronto Maple Leafs need to find some way to shake him up.

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Uhh, if our goaltending was middle of the pack Toronto would probably be first in the division.

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by Chemmy on Nov 18, 2008 9:29 AM EST reply actions  

Vesa Toskala is 37th in GAA, and 41st in SV%.

If his .878 SV% on the season was a flat .900 (which would put him tied for 27th in the league), Toronto would have given up ten fewer goals. Behind our defense which has given up 433 shots, that would improve his GAA to 2.62 (which would be good enough for 18th in the league).

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by Chemmy on Nov 18, 2008 9:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Why are you trying to make us cry?

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by PPP on Nov 18, 2008 9:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Because Raycroft wasn’t this bad.

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by Chemmy on Nov 18, 2008 9:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Because Raycroft wasn’t this bad.

At the end of the season.

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by PPP on Nov 18, 2008 10:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Pretty goal I’ve seen in the last two weeks (except that shitty ass Montreal game) that have went in Vesa didnt’ have a chance at. Mostly because he put himself in a position to have no chance. He’s out of position a LOT this year. No goalie has a chance to stop cross-crease passes when your out of the crease. Problem is, most goalies aren’t out of the crease.

by Kobra29 on Nov 18, 2008 10:27 AM EST reply actions  

**supposed to read “Pretty much every…..”

by Kobra29 on Nov 18, 2008 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Vesa has had a string of hard luck too, I can’t count how many times pucks have been put off our own defensemen and in. But really that is no excuse for his poor play as of late.

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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 18, 2008 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Early on that was the case but the last handful of games the culprit has been bad positioning.

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by PPP on Nov 18, 2008 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

He’s playing out farther because he’s small, but that’s putting him in a bad position to play cross zone passes.

Basically he’s too short, which is why at 5’11" I gave up goaltending and went to college to get an engineering degree.

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by Chemmy on Nov 18, 2008 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

huh...?

i keep reading he’s playing too deep.

me thinks he needs a benching. in fact. no matter how cujo plays, staple him to the bench for a good stretch, like 5-10 games…

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by blurr1974 on Nov 18, 2008 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

Chemmy is drunk. He’s playing too deep and going down too soon. He is too short to not be playing further out.

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by PPP on Nov 18, 2008 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Uh, he’s too far out.

Look at the second goal last night, he was five feet in front of the crease.

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by Chemmy on Nov 18, 2008 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

So maybe he’s overcompensating for being too far back earlier on.

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by 1967ers on Nov 18, 2008 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Either way, he’s not set right for a lot of these. His game is out of whack.

I think that’s the main difference between him and Raycroft. Toskala has a game to be out of whack. Even when Raycroft was ‘on’, he still had no glove.

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by 1967ers on Nov 18, 2008 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

This is correct. On the Ryder goal he was far out of the net, but went down too soon.

That means that when Ryder toe drags, he opens up a lot of room to shoot at. Toskala needs to stay mobile until the shot comes.

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by Chemmy on Nov 18, 2008 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Went down too soon!?!

Sadly, that’s what she said…

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by blurr1974 on Nov 18, 2008 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

It’s a decision-making problem. Some goals too deep, others too far out.

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by PPP on Nov 18, 2008 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Tosk is not in his happy place.

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by 1967ers on Nov 18, 2008 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Like I said before, everything I agree with you here. If the Leafs brass wants to bench Toskala for a few games in favour of decrepit Cujo, I have no qualms about it. The only issue I had was the point about Pogge. Young goalies are a different animal from defencemen and forwards. If a d-man or forward is struggling with his offensive game or vice versa, he can do other things on the ice to contribute and add to his usefulness. If a goalie struggles, what else can he add? The only things he can contribute to the team is his ability to stop pucks.

If we assume Pogge performs well, what do the Leafs do with Toskala and Cujo? I doubt their dressing room presence fully offsets their inability to stop pucks, so they become pretty useless. Trading any of them at this point is a non-starter. Sending them to the Marlies doesn’t make them more useful, and the potential salary cap savings is negligible since the Leafs are already under the cap and are in no dire need to suddenly find a place to add salary somewhere, IE. calling up a hot shot prospect like Cam Barker or Bobby Ryan.

I guess I should have amended my original intent in saying that Pogge would be the last option, rather than me saying I never want to see him up here before the trading deadline. I just feel bringing Pogge up is a white flag to the rest of the team and the goalies themselves that they’re a lost cause. It’s one thing to play your backup goalie, which I’m in favour of, since he’s already on the NHL roster. But bringing up a guy from the minors who is currently posting a 3.00 GAA and .890% SV% aren’t overwhelming stats screaming out to be promoted or indicating that he’s that much better than Toskala right now.

by bkblades on Nov 18, 2008 1:08 PM EST reply actions  

If the two NHLers continue to, erm, ‘mess’ the bed, I’d call Pogge up by Dec. 1. There are any number of reasons why his AHL numbers could be spotty, including the team in front of him, boredom with his lot in life, whatever.

A handful of games won’t ruin him.

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by 1967ers on Nov 18, 2008 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

i agree...

i’m ok with bringing him up (so long as we don’t have to worry about waivers) just to see what he’s got.

he showed flashes of brilliance during the pre-season. His current stats could very well be a direct result of our lack of top level prospects on the farm…

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by blurr1974 on Nov 18, 2008 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh I understand his AHL stats aren’t directly all his fault. But Pogge, from what I’ve gathered, isn’t doing all that great either. However, I rather bring Pogge up when he’s stringing together some victories or at least, showing better consistency. Following up a performance of a .967 SV% with five straight games of sub .800, then a .971 with .821 and .897 immediately following indicates to me that Pogge isn’t in a groove yet. Bad team or not, his wild up and down performances aren’t helping matters and he doesn’t seem to be in the right mindset as of now.

by bkblades on Nov 18, 2008 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

that's what i'm saying...

Pogge’s not ready for full time, but it won’t kill him (or us) to see how he does on the big club for a few games….

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by blurr1974 on Nov 18, 2008 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

No it wouldn’t hurt to see how Pogge does, but I don’t know how useful that would be right now if his performances won’t likely be his best. Again, it’s one thing to call up Pogge when he’s on a roll down at the farm. But it’s another thing altogether to bring him up when he’s in a funk with the Marlies. I’m not a psychologist nor a coach (looks like my secret is out), but bringing Pogge up without much thought sends the wrong message. Not only would the Leafs be “rewarding” Pogge for his mediocre performances (well, this is the Leafs we’re talking about, but indulge me for a sec), but it also says to the current roster that our best guys we have up here aren’t capable of getting it done. I think it’s too early right now to bring up guys from the minors to “relieve” players who the Leafs consider as front line.

by bkblades on Nov 18, 2008 2:41 PM EST up reply actions  

There are a couple of problems I have with save percentage as a stat, particularly from game to game.

- there is no measure of the quality of the shots
- one goal over the course of a game has a huge impact on that game’s numbers, particularly when the shot totals are low.

Toskala, last night, made 19 saves on 22 shots. That’s an .863 save percentage. If he stops Kessel, suddenly he’s at .909. Does that one goal impact his overall performance that much?

The Leafs are blocking more shots, but we don’t know how good those shots were. If they’re adept at blocking floaters from the blue line and stop 3 of those per game, that’s worth about 15 points on Toskala’s save pctg.

Arguably, by blocking so many shots, they might be making his life worse. It increases the odds of a deflection off one of his own guys, plus it ensures that the shots he does face are likely of higher quality. None of that helps his numbers.

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by 1967ers on Nov 18, 2008 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Toskala, last night, made 19 saves on 22 shots. That’s an .863 save percentage. If he stops Kessel, suddenly he’s at .909. Does that one goal impact his overall performance that much?

I would argue, yes, it would change his overall impact for that night anyway. Instead of letting in two arguably “stoppable” goals, Toskala let in only one.

And believe me, I understand the flaws of SV. But as of right now, it’s the only stat that I can find in regular use that gives at least a small picture of how the goalie is performing. If there is a reliable stat that can include quality of shots and impact of save/goal, I would be more than happy to use them. The fact that we’re bringing up Toskala’s SV quite regularly around here indicates to me that I’m not the only one who is basing a lot of his/her arguments about his said performance.

by bkblades on Nov 18, 2008 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

The fact that we’re bringing up Toskala’s SV quite regularly around here indicates to me that I’m not the only one who is basing a lot of his/her arguments about his said performance.

That should read: The fact that we’re bringing up Toskala’s save percentage quite regularly indicates to me that I’m not the only one who is basing his/her arguments about Toskala’s poor play using aforementioned save percentage.

by bkblades on Nov 18, 2008 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I bring it up myself. It’s just a dangerous stat, though.

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by 1967ers on Nov 18, 2008 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

And I wholeheartedly agree. But it’s a statistic that can be somewhat reliable (or at least more so than the dread +/-). For example, Joey MacDonald of the NYI is posting well over .900 SV% on a team that scores little with an equally non-descript backend. Yet, his high save percentages does suggest that MacDonald is playing out of his mind right now, irrespective of the quality of shots, etc. Even with Toskala, while the sub-.870 SV% doesn’t give the whole picture, it does right suggest that Toskie is struggling mightily individually right now.

by bkblades on Nov 18, 2008 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

He looks completely out of sync.

And oddly, I think a few more shots against might help.

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by 1967ers on Nov 18, 2008 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I do think, though, that lower shot totals aren’t necessarily conducive to better play. Look at the Vancouver game. Tosk has nothing to do for the first part of the game. Shots are 10-0 Leafs. Then out of nowhere there’s a point-blank deflection at the lip of the crease.

Goalies like to face a couple to get into the game.

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by 1967ers on Nov 18, 2008 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I brought this point up in a game thread as well. I actually think this was what Toskala was subtly trying to point out that in his recent post-game interview about him “calling out” his teammates to play better defensively, IE. better positioning, rather than trying to block/deflect every single shot.

by bkblades on Nov 18, 2008 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Potvin used to scream at his d-men to get out of the way so a) he could see and b) they wouldn’t deflect things.

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by 1967ers on Nov 18, 2008 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

and c)

because he was awesome….

i miss the cat…

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by blurr1974 on Nov 18, 2008 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Best home-grown goalie since Broda….

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by 1967ers on Nov 18, 2008 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

absolutely!

i remember him sgning on down here in LA, and single handedly winning the first round of the playoffs against Detroit…

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by blurr1974 on Nov 18, 2008 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

To be fair, that’s not saying much about Toronto’s ability to keep our homegrown goalies. I know the Leafs both had Bernie Parent and Gerry Cheevers as our property at one time.

But in either case, after Broda, Toronto hasn’t been very good at picking the right goalies in our system.

by bkblades on Nov 18, 2008 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s a huge indictment of our ability to develop and keep goaltenders. Cheevers was the best of ours to get away, though Al Rollins won a Hart post-Leaf.

Parent, believe it or not, actually came out of the Boston system.

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by 1967ers on Nov 18, 2008 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

My favorite player of all time. I miss Felix too. He’s the reason I stayed a Leafs fan as a kid! (Gilmour didn’t hurt iether)

by Kobra29 on Nov 18, 2008 6:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Potvin is why I’m a Leafs fan.

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by Chemmy on Nov 19, 2008 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

also...

playing like crap doesn’t help his numbers.

didn’t see that on your summary there, so thought I’d add… =)

(the following is all sarcasm, save the point about developing…)Folks around these parts wanted Pogge up at the beginning of the season. I, as the lone voice of reason and sanity in a sea of confusion and conspiracy theories, said, stay the course, keep him in the AHL, allow him to develop. Goaltenders are a different breed, and confidence is everything for them.

so, for me to climb down from my ivory tower of right, and admit that maybe, Tosk could use a push via some real goalie competition is saying something…(end sarcasm)

Toskala plays better when he has to fight for his job.

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by blurr1974 on Nov 18, 2008 2:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Toskala plays better when he has to fight for his job.

Well, the fact he played markedly better splitting time with Nabakov and even Raycroft the past few seasons sounds to me like you’re onto something.

by bkblades on Nov 18, 2008 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

it’s my whole point.

I’ve seen Toskala play out of his mind crazy good out here in SJ. You can chalk up the stats to the kind of team he was playing on (really, really, scary good) but I still recall nights of 1-0, 2-1 wins, where one wrong bounce and the game would have went the other way.

He has not need to focus, no pressure at his position. He, just like the rest of the team, knows this season’s expectations are pretty low. His demeanor seems to suggest he’s not too beat up about playing like crap. tha’s good and bad. Good that he’s not rattled, bad that he’s not pissed off or motivated enough to do something about it.

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by blurr1974 on Nov 18, 2008 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Release Cujo! Free the Viking! Prepare for War!

I have a possible solution. Play Cujo for a string of games, and play Frogren with Carlo as the top two defenders, with Finger and Schenn as 3 and 4. Let’s make the front of our net an absolute battleground while Toskala, Kaberle, Kubina, and Stralman take notes from the bench.

by general borschevsky on Nov 18, 2008 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

winner winner

chicken dinner!

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by blurr1974 on Nov 18, 2008 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe thats the problem…Toskala just misses the Viking! He is sad, and that is translating into poor play for him.

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by Drake15 on Nov 18, 2008 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

who wouldnt miss the viking?

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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 18, 2008 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

How about all the guys he runs over on the ice, in his violent fits of rage?

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by Drake15 on Nov 18, 2008 5:56 PM EST up reply actions  

they are all like “wow, I wish everyone hit the way he does”

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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 18, 2008 6:04 PM EST up reply actions  

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