Keeping Up With the Carters and Richardses
All figures in this fanpost are from Behind The Net.
He doesn't have figures for 2005-2006 but in their rookie years:
Richards: 11-23-34 in 79 GP
Carter: 23-19-42 in 81 GP
Steen: 18-27-45 in 75 GP
In 2006-2007
Richards ranked 602 in quality of teammates. He played 58.5% of his time with Kapanen with Ben Eager being the next most common forward at 21.9%. Richards picked up 10-22-32 in 59 GP.
Carter ranked 138 in quality of teammates. Calder, at 37.8% of the time, is the only forward in his top four linemates which probably means that he was being rotated around quite frequently. Carter picked up 14-23-37 in 62 GP.
Steen ranked 296 in quality of teammates. He played 55.4% of the time with Stajan and 44.9% with Jeff O'Neill. Steen picked up 10-25-25 in 82GP.
In 2007-2008
Here are Richards' game logs to give you an idea of his linemates. From a cursory glance he played most of his time with Scottie Upshall, R.J. Umberger, Mike Knuble, and Joffrey Lupul. His quality of teammates was 0.11. The top ranking was 0.89. Richards put up 28-47-75 73 GP.
Here are Carter's game logs to give you an idea of his linemates. From a cursory glance he played most of his time with Scottie Upshall, R.J. Umberger, Mike Knuble, and Joffrey Lupul. His quality of teammates was 0.17. The top ranking was 0.89. Carter put up 29-24-53 in 82 GP
Here are Steen's game logs to get an idea of his linemates. From a cursory glance he played most of his time with Stajan, Devereaux, and Blake although he did have a stretch with Antropov and Sundin. His quality of teammates was 0.04. The top ranking was 0.89. Steen put up 15-27-42 in 76 GP
In 2008-2009
Here are Richards' game logs to give you an idea of his linemates. From a cursory glance he has played most of his time with Scottie Upshall, Briere, Gagne, and Joffrey Lupul. His quality of teammates is 0.12. The top ranking is 1.62. Richards has put up 5-14-19 in 17 GP so far this season.
Here are Carter's game logs to give you an idea of his linemates. From a cursory glance he played most of his time with Scottie Upshall and some guy names Andreas Nodl. His quality of teammates is -0.46. The top ranking is 1.62. Carter has put up 11-3-14 in 17 GP so far this season.
Here are Steen's game logs to get an idea of his linemates. From a cursory glance he played most of his time with Dominic Moore, Jason Blake, and Nikolai Kulemin for a couple of games. His quality of teammates is -0.25. The top ranking is 1.62. Steen has put up 2-2-4 in 19 GP so far this season.
Conclusions
Steen definitely started out on equal footing with both Carter and Richards despite the latter two being much more highly touted by the press. Pat Quinn had a definite plan for Steen in terms of his ice-time and linemates. His defensive responsibility and a new coach had him slotted into a different role where he saw decreased powerplay time and was slotted in with more defensive linemates. Or, as with the case of Jeff O'Neill, linemates that needed his defensive responsibilities to make up for their love of doughtnuts.
This year he has a new coach again who has, after a slow start that saw him in a more offensive role, slotted once more into the role of checking forward. Obviously Steen's skating ability and hockey awareness makes him versatile but in my opinion they are wasting his offensive abilities. Wilson has said that the 5-on-3 personnel (0-14) will change so why not give him a chance there? Or as was mentioned in the comments why not use the Soviet Bloc to kickstart his season?
There will be grumbles about not disrupting the forward lines but this season is all about evaluating what the Leafs have and Steen is very much a part of the future. Why not see what he can do if he gets a prolonged run on the top unit with powerplay time? One answer I've seen is that he has to earn that opportunity. Well, being a good soldier and playing your role is much more than Stajan did before he got airlifted onto the awesomest line. At the same time we can see if Stajan can keep producing on his own or if he's just awesome by osmosis.
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Q of T...
is an interesting stat, as the individuals own level of play has a direct result on his linemates. If a player makes his linemates better, then his quality of teammates goes up. If he does not, then it goes down, as I understand it. So, in essence, Richards and Carter made guys like Umburger (playing horribly in CBJ now), Lupul (who was a toss in for the deal with EDM, after playing horribly in EDM) and Upshall (a toss in for the Forsberg deal…you see where I’m goinig with this?) play better.
Just my two cents.
Also, had Kaberle waived his NTC, Jeff Carter would be our first line center right now.
Anybody throws me against the boards I'm gonna piss all over myself.
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by blurr1974 on Nov 18, 2008 12:07 PM EST reply actions
Chemistry
At the same time, it could just be chalked up to good chemistry and not necessarily the super powers of Richards and Carter especially since both played with those guys. Sometimes the skill sets just click and that’s what I want to find out with Steen and The Soviets.
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I Don't Think So...
Some guys (Forsberg, Sundin and the like) make their line mates better, regardless of where they play, or who they play with.
The fact that Carter (primarily a goal scorer) and Richards (primarily a playmaker) can be used interchangably with such a variety of teammates with varrying skill sets makes me think that their (Carter and Richards) abilities go a long way towards making the rest go.
Steen has yet to show that ability. He’s not an offensive force on his own merit. Unfrotunately for him, Toronto does not have the luxury of interchangeable parts. It has two really good 2nd lines (neither is really a number one line, although you all know how I feel about the Man-Grabs-Kule line…) If Steen could show that he has the ability to finish, or create chances, he’d be getting a look on those top lines or on the PP. So far, this season, he hasn’t.
You can go back to previous years and say he has the ability. To which I would say, Toskala has the ability to be a number one goalie. And Grabovski does not have the ability to finish or put up points. For Steen (and the entire team,) this year, it’s all about “What have you done for me lately?” Which is nothing.
Chances are, somewhere down the line, injuries will force Wilson to play Steen further up the depth chart. Right now, there is no need to upset the “chemistry” we;ve already got on our scoring lines.
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by blurr1974 on Nov 18, 2008 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
Right now, there is no need to upset the "chemistry" we;ve already got on our scoring lines.
But that’s my point. There is a need. The Leafs need to know exactly what each player can provide going forward. There is no purpose in keeping these lines together all year long. If you think he has to do more to get a shot then that’s fine. Give it to White right now but don’t settle in just because it’s working alright because at the end of the day the Leafs have still lost 5 more games than they have won.
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the Leafs have still lost 5 more games than they have won.
(cough, “goaltending,” cough, choke, gag, passes out…)
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by blurr1974 on Nov 18, 2008 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
Umberger is on pace to score about as much as he did last year, but he started off terribly so if he continues his current play he’ll probably do better than he ever did in Philly.
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he won't...
stay on pace.
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by blurr1974 on Nov 18, 2008 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
Of course he will
He was the straw that stirred the Richards/Carter drink!
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See
There he goes making two more nobodies better.
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Yup...
Steen wouldn’t be able to put up points between those two, that’s for sure… =)
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by blurr1974 on Nov 18, 2008 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
Tell You What...
As soon as Steen gets his shooting percentage* above Blake’s, they can swap minutes…:P
*according to Behind the Net: Steen 2.6, Blake 3.8
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by blurr1974 on Nov 18, 2008 2:22 PM EST reply actions
Ewww
That makes me sick. Know how to get him going though? Put him between Antro and Poni.
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by blurr1974 on Nov 20, 2008 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
Great fanpost
Thanks PPP
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