Breaking News: My Jersey Curse Continues
by Chemmy on Nov 24, 2008 1:50 PM EST
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PrintToronto trades Alex Steen and Carlo Colaiacovo to St. Louis for Lee Stempniak.
The Toronto Maple Leafs aren't waiting for Brian Burke to come in and start making moves, as the club traded defenceman Carlo Colaiacovo and forward Alex Steen to the St. Louis Blues for forward Lee Stempniak on Monday.
Stempniak, 25, has three goals and 13 points in 14 games this season.
In Steen and Colaiacovo, the Leafs parted ways with two former draft picks that didn't live up to their first-round billing.
To Toronto:
To St. Louis:
Who the hell is Lee Stempniak? Well, according to the Battle of Alberta's Terms of Battle and courtesy of Chris DeGroat:
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Undersized and not the fastest skater, Stempniak has always had a nose for the net. He plays the point on the power play fairly well and likes getting the puck in the high slot. What he will most be remembered for in St. Louis is being the first face of the franchise’s rebuidling effort along with Jay McClement. That’s probably why you see so many No. 12 sweaters around the Drinkscotch Center. That and he’s scrappy. St. Louis loves scrappy.
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No, this is a steal of a trade. Stempniak is an amazing player.
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I'm Biased
As a card-carrying Alex Steen fanclub member
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I WORE AN AUTHENTIC STEEN JERSEY TO WENDEL CLARK NIGHT THAT I BOUGHT TWO MONTHS AGO.
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I R SAD PANDA
This sucks. St. Louis will now have three former Leafs draft picks kicking our ass in the future.
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PPP
why the Cox-ian logic?
"Holy crip!! He's a CRAPPLE!!!"
by MapleLeafs85 on Nov 24, 2008 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
Meh, maybe it’s time to stop hoping for potential to translate into performance but I didn’t think that it was time yet. Maybe with Carlo but certainly not Steen.
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Dude Stempniak is an absolute stud.
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Stempniak is better than anything you could hope Steen to turn into, this deal is highway robbery by Fletcher.
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I am pretty sure you stole that from me.
I tend to call players studs.
Ain't nothing but puck drops and poke checks, babydoll.
by Wrap Around Curl on Nov 24, 2008 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
Positive step
I’m probably going to get flak, but this is a trade I can get behind. Too long the Leafs have held on to players because they “might” turn into some great players. If it’s not happening it’s better to cut your losses I figure.. Plus, the longer the player was in that predicament, the less likely management was to move them it seemed like.. Anyway with Moore playing the way he is, I don’t think it’s a bad thing to trade Steen when he has some value. Cola, well, perhaps he’ll become a great player, or perhaps he’ll have a career ending injury next time he laces em up.
No idea about that Stempniak guy though, but on pace for 78pts this season isn’t that shabby..
until I find out the extent of this deal (do we get anything else back?) I reserve judgement.
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2008 1:58 PM EST reply actions
We get Lee Stempniak? Who is considerably better than Steen?
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RESERVED!
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2008 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
True
my worry is now who this affects in the line up. Think Kulemin will be pushed down?
by Karina on Nov 24, 2008 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
Who the fuck cares, when has Kulemin done anything?
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I dunno
I haven’t seen many games, perhaps this is a good thing??
by Karina on Nov 24, 2008 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
Jerseys in my closet:
- Steen
- Sundin
- Tucker
- Wellwood
- Belak
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You are not allowed to buy an Antropov jersey. I will kill you if you do.
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I’m getting my Wellwood and Steen re-numbered. Hagman and Schenn.
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Or
Hagman.
seriously…
"You do dat, you go to da box, you know, uh, two minutes by yourself, and you feel shame, you know, and then you get free."
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by blurr1974 on Nov 24, 2008 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
now you're talking!
"You do dat, you go to da box, you know, uh, two minutes by yourself, and you feel shame, you know, and then you get free."
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by blurr1974 on Nov 24, 2008 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
and an Ruutu Jersey, you can never be too careful
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2008 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
Reverse the Curse!
buy this man a “Losers Since 67” jersey ASAP!
"You do dat, you go to da box, you know, uh, two minutes by yourself, and you feel shame, you know, and then you get free."
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by blurr1974 on Nov 24, 2008 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
no way
Chemmy, get BLANK ones from now on, OK? BLANK
Making stuff up since real Leafs news is far too depressing
Antropov
He’s my number one guess as to who gets shipped out later in the year… why you ask? With (if) burke comes in and Antro being a UFA what would you do? Sign Antro UFA rate or one of the many better top 6 forwards out there via trade or UFA market?
...
IT's OFFICIALLY OFFICIAL...
Wikipedia has Stempniak as a member of the Leafs
"You do dat, you go to da box, you know, uh, two minutes by yourself, and you feel shame, you know, and then you get free."
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by blurr1974 on Nov 24, 2008 2:00 PM EST reply actions
Wikipedia is on the ball
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2008 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
My favourite Leafs Wikipedia moment
Was when Paul Maurice led a team of “Earth All-Stars” against aliens
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World Heroes
Here’s the movie version of those events.
by Darryl Sittler's 10 Pt Night on Nov 24, 2008 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously?
Well, there goes my billing in my pool of being the biggest Leafs fan to not have a Leaf on her roster.
Stempniak is the best player of the three for sure. This is a good deal for the Leafs, Blues got robbed I think. Blues are already hurting with injuries and they go and get Carlo? haha good luck.
Too bad we couldn’t bring back Boyes.
To quote Cliff Fletcher when he got Gilmour. “If you look at the winner of this trade as who gets the best player, the Leafs definitely won this trade.”
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i'm sorry...
are you comparing Lee Stempniak to Doug Gilmour?
Are you drunk?
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by blurr1974 on Nov 24, 2008 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
I have been drinking all morning, yes. (I have the day off!)
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Curses!
two more days till the long weekend, and a week until the Leafs come to LA!
"You do dat, you go to da box, you know, uh, two minutes by yourself, and you feel shame, you know, and then you get free."
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by blurr1974 on Nov 24, 2008 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
Trades!
Also, I’m excited that there is a trade between teams before deadline day this year! In the cap era it’s become a trade drought for trade-heads like me..
Also: trade!
True!!
Maybe this’ll open up the market a bit!
by Karina on Nov 24, 2008 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
Funny..
but not one of the “rumour” sites saw this one coming. Even the semi-respectable ones…
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by blurr1974 on Nov 24, 2008 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
Specter
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2008 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
as in Mark?
Even after the Anti-Wendel Clark column?
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his allegances aside, I ment the trade rumours thing. Usually he is pretty on the ball with them.
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2008 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
Spector
http://www.spectorshockey.net/
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by blurr1974 on Nov 24, 2008 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
Spector doesn’t really propose trade deals anymore though, what he’s been doing lately is debunking bad internet rumours through common sense, and proposing what some teams need filled alongside a list of guys already known to be on the market (on their last year, falling out of favour, cap reasons, etc).
Side note: I received 20 text messages and five emails within a minute of each other, relating to Steen.
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I had the opposite
and was repsonsible for texing and calling everyone I know
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Bet you half of those
are from Stajan
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they were all frowny faces
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2008 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
Only if they are incomprehensible with lots of sad faces and blubbering
by LeafFanInVan on Nov 24, 2008 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
I didn’t realize that Stempniak was only 25 – for some reason, I thought older.
I think I’m actually ok with this deal…
the more I think about it
the more I like the deal.
It’s just my emotional attachment getting in the way, now.
by Karina on Nov 24, 2008 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
Ditto
Steen was my hero during his rookie year
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emotional
I think it’s just I still remember Steen and Carlo from when I first started following the Leafs…it’s sad to see them go. Besides, I had lots of fun writing about them over at tWWoLD.
i has a sad…
Making stuff up since real Leafs news is far too depressing
I’m sad to see Steen go, I think he would have put up a hell of a lot more points if he was given the ice time and line mates – he was however playing very sound defensively and Wilson was liking it.
Looking forward to seeing what Stempniak can do.
Who do you think he’ll play with?
gut feeling
drop Kulemin and put him with Hagman and Grabovski
by Karina on Nov 24, 2008 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
Hot topic!
Replacing Kulemin with Hagman and Grabbo?
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where does that leave Kool-aid?
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2008 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
With Blake and Moore?
Or…
Traded next week by Brian Burke
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or
With Mitchell and Moore.
I think that’d be an alright line
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so we get
Antro – Stajan – Poni
hags – Grabs – Stemp
Mitchell – Moore – Koolaid
assorted garbage?
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2008 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
lovin
that 4th line.
Blake-Mayers-Tlusty
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no...
Tlusty doesn’t come up until there’s room in the top 6.
it’s that or he’s trade bait…
"You do dat, you go to da box, you know, uh, two minutes by yourself, and you feel shame, you know, and then you get free."
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by blurr1974 on Nov 24, 2008 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
so....
who’s the 3rd player on that line?
Hollweg?
White is back on D with all the injuries and the loss of Cola
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Viking on D…
plus finger, strallman, kubina, kaberle and schenn. That’s 6.
White plays the 4th line
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by blurr1974 on Nov 24, 2008 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
Viking is out with that arm injury
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2008 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
crap...
furgot dat
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by blurr1974 on Nov 24, 2008 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
do we have any viable D in the AHL that is NHL ready? Or did we loose all of them
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2008 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
Kronwall
But he’ll be gone after this year because he’s a UFA.
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Kron
I’ve always liked Kronwall. I think he plays a solid, physical game. It seems as if he’s never been given a really good look. Although maybe the looks he got happened when he partnered with Woz.
by Darryl Sittler's 10 Pt Night on Nov 24, 2008 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
he can go to the Marlies...
i believe…
"You do dat, you go to da box, you know, uh, two minutes by yourself, and you feel shame, you know, and then you get free."
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by blurr1974 on Nov 24, 2008 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
screw that, he stays up before Hollweg
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2008 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
makes no sense
for him to be a third or fourth liner…he’s supposed to be a skiilled guy, he’s not going to get the ice time to get that going now
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by blurr1974 on Nov 24, 2008 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
it also makes no sense that Hollweg is an NHL player, but there you go
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2008 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
I still want a draft pick, I don’t care how low, Two for one doesn’t sit right on this.
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2008 2:06 PM EST reply actions
I'd like it
but if you think of how little Carlo’s really played for us, it’s more like 1.5 for 1… and the 1 certainly has more than 1.5 as many points as they do…
by Karina on Nov 24, 2008 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
I will trade you a pontiac 6000 and a 87 chevette for a dodge viper, deal? You’re still ripping me off!
by LeafFanInVan on Nov 24, 2008 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
I'll
Trade you a viper for a hybrid
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Yup
and I’m torn, I swore off all American made cars (GM/Ford/Chrysler), I wish Toyota or Honda would do an all-E vehicle
I want a Tesla but will never be able to afford one
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the Volt is pretty slick
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2008 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
Don't like it
I used to, but I don’t understand why they scaled down the Volt’s all-electric capabilities, probably bowing down to pressure from Big Oil no doubt.
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I think it makes it more viable in the real world, especially in North America, where 70% of the population often needs to drive more than 60 miles at a given time
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2008 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
Not at all
Volt originally had a much larger all-electric range, nearly double what it is now, with a reduced fuel tank but the total range would have been the same, its just it could go on battery-alone for longer and decrease fuel-consumption.
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see if you’d said a 2001 Grand Prix and a 2002 Monte Carlo for a 2000 Corvette, that would be more realistic.
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2008 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
I'll give Cliffy this...
he sure knows how to spice up my Mondays…
"You do dat, you go to da box, you know, uh, two minutes by yourself, and you feel shame, you know, and then you get free."
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by blurr1974 on Nov 24, 2008 2:08 PM EST reply actions
His timing is very weird with all this Burke stuff going on. Methinks this deal has been in the works for a few weeks…
Im not totally convinced
Burke wasn’t at least asked his opinion on this.
he’s in town, meeting with brass
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except when he tells us after the fact that he knew it all along.
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2008 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
I think the timing was perfect. The Leafs needed a shake-up after Saturday. Blowing a two-goal lead at home in the 3rd period on Wendel-Freakin’-Clark-Night is totally unacceptable, and the only thing to do is to break up the core group. Steen and Cola are 2 Leafs from the Inner Circle, players who have been with the Leafs since 2005 and have never played for another NHL team.
Now there are only 5 left: Kaberle, Antro, Poni, Stajan, White.
by general borschevsky on Nov 24, 2008 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
Dammit. I don’t want to get to know all new players. Leave me some favourites! Touch Antro and die Burke.
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Poni’s next. My prediction. Let’s start a pool!
by LeafFanInVan on Nov 24, 2008 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
Two more of the inner circle need to go when the deal is right. Can you guess which two?
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blake and toskala
for Luongo…straight up
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by blurr1974 on Nov 24, 2008 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
I’ll throw in a fruit basket
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2008 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
hey, I was eating those
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2008 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
I have already mentioned Antro will be next:
Antropov
He’s my number one guess as to who gets shipped out later in the year… why you ask? With (if) burke comes in and Antro being a UFA what would you do? Sign Antro UFA rate or one of the many better top 6 forwards out there via trade or UFA market?
...
Better than Antro?
You’re drunk.
Antro will give Burke another hometown discount. Remember that he was interested in Antro before too. He’s staying forever.
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Any UFA's
that are better than Antro (like who, exactly?) would probably be re-signed before July 1. Isn’t that what always happens?
by Karina on Nov 24, 2008 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
If he stays, I can see Antro in the C one day
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2008 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
Ok so what do you think he will want… considering Malone has similar numbers and (lets face it) not as good as Antro?
...
Considering that he already turned down more money two years ago I wouldn’t be surprised to see him do it again.
I would say that it depends on how he does the rest of this year but I would say that Burke probably comes to him with a ceiling of about $3.5 – 4m if he has another great year. If Antro wants more than definitely trade him but they have two months after January 1 to see if they can make a deal work.
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that's what i'm thinking
Tlusty is probably a pot sweetener for the next trade. i’m thinking Kaberle is the next one gone
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by blurr1974 on Nov 24, 2008 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
Tlusty is definitely gone.
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Man
wouldn’t that be all of our 1st round picks from the past 5 years?
Our drafting is terrible.
by Karina on Nov 24, 2008 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
No, our player development and luck is terrible.
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I don't like it
I think we gave up too much and didn’t get enough back. We should have atleast got a pick back
Holy crap
I have no idea how I feel about this yet. I can totally see it from both sides.
A key question – what’s StL’s motivation here?
StL has the injury bug bad. They need bodies.
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they're on a quest...
to fill their roster with the youth of former NHLers…they’ve got Yan Stastny as well…
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by blurr1974 on Nov 24, 2008 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
I guess they think that Steen can play with Boyes. My guess is that they’ll be right.
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If I see
Steen centering Boyes and Kariya, I’ll be sick….
by Karina on Nov 24, 2008 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
St. Louis'
motivation is getting 2 decent players for one good player, our motivation is getting one good player for 2 decent players
"Holy crip!! He's a CRAPPLE!!!"
Strengths: goal scoring monster.
Weaknesses: Didn’t play on Toronto until now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FovpEb_zxMs
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wait...
monster, or MONSTER?
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by blurr1974 on Nov 24, 2008 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
lol
exactly…
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Assets
Owns excellent speed and quickness. Can play either wing position and displays plenty of scoring potential.
Flaws
Needs more refinement in his play without the puck. Is somewhat undersized, which may hinder his production in the long run.
St. Louis Gametime
Disagrees on the speed issue…
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Wow
I’m going to cry…
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Any good Blues blogs we can check out?
I was never as attached to Steen or Cola as many here… my main concern is how we made out here. Stempniak looks like a bonafide top 6 guy for a surplus D and a 3rdliner…. the question, of course, is Steen’s potential.
Money and expectations
I live in St. Louis. Stempniak had one good year as a sniper (when the Blues stunk), then got a contract, but he hasn’t quite lived up to the top-6 hope they had for him. His salary bumps up to $3.5M next year. I bet they decided he wasn’t going to be in their top-6 at that salary (they have more forward prospects on the way, and a LOT of money tied up in overpriced D-men), so they’d move him for depth. He sort of fits my impression of a Leafs player lately.
I’m not saying he doesn’t have it — just that he might not, and no one’s sure if he’s gotten enough of a chance yet. His “sniping” has suffered. But he worked his butt off this summer to start the season in better shape. If he’s with skilled players, he should start scoring again. Or not. Seems like a reasonable deal/gamble for both sides.
A very snarky Blues blog: St. Louis GameTime
SBN now has a NY Islanders blog at LighthouseHockey.com.
SLGT link is up top.
Thanks for the heads up. I hope this works.
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SLGT
Called him ‘scrappy’
I can deal with scrappy
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Wait
So what happens to the Carlo injury pool?
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i did not anticipate him being traded…
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I don't think
anyone did
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well..
i think because it went down on my week, i get all the money….
he hurt his heart getting traded to STL
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by blurr1974 on Nov 24, 2008 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
Does a broken heart count?
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2008 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
seriously
a Toronto boy. his dream shattered.
oh, carlo.
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I think blurr becomes the winner, but since Carlo isn’t hurt we declare it a monetary wash.
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So blurr gets
a moral victory?
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works for me!
Happy Birthday week to me, happybirthday week to me, happy birthday blurr, happybirthday week to me!
"You do dat, you go to da box, you know, uh, two minutes by yourself, and you feel shame, you know, and then you get free."
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by blurr1974 on Nov 24, 2008 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
You get a DAY
not a week, nice try
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you all owe me
a moral $5 (US moral currency only…)
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by blurr1974 on Nov 24, 2008 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
all I have is moral japanese Yenn
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2008 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
wait..
what if Cola doesn’t pass physical…then I win for reals?
"You do dat, you go to da box, you know, uh, two minutes by yourself, and you feel shame, you know, and then you get free."
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by blurr1974 on Nov 24, 2008 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
Doesn't mean
he’s injured
he could be you know… fat, or big-boned
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Didn’t Carlo miss the last game with a foot injury? Cherry tore into Wilson for questioning Carlo’s conditioning and said something like “What does Napolean think, he’s got a fat foot?” Or does this have to be a serious injury?
by Mirinov's Nose on Nov 24, 2008 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
bwhuh??
"Holy crip!! He's a CRAPPLE!!!"
by MapleLeafs85 on Nov 24, 2008 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
shudders
although with Morrow out… you never know….
by Karina on Nov 24, 2008 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
ewww
no
I do not heart Turco
At all
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I agree, Turco, do not want
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2008 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
that's a head scratcher...
Turco is an awesome goalie. there’s something else going on out there…
Toskala we need to be an awesome goalie. he’s a good one, but not great…
"You do dat, you go to da box, you know, uh, two minutes by yourself, and you feel shame, you know, and then you get free."
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by blurr1974 on Nov 24, 2008 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
Avery
is my guess. What else changed on that team over the summer?
by Karina on Nov 24, 2008 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
The D has been awful
Mattias Norstrom retired and Zubov was out until recently. Also Turco just hasn’t been himself. He can’t play the puck as much as he likes to because his D is soft and that just leads to other problems.
Where does
Stemps fit in the lineup? The top two lines were untouchable last week.
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Kool-aid will probably get the initial bump
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2008 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
that's what I'm thinking
too…
Grabs, Hags, and Stemps
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I hope
Wilson surprises us and does something else, if only to prove why he’s an NHL coach (and the highest paid one, at that) and we aren’t.
by Karina on Nov 24, 2008 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
Kulemin’s gettin’ demoted.
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Yeah
That blows. Then he can become the next Steen that doesn’t get a chance to play with good players and gets traded.
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under a bus
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2008 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
It's a Good Deal
And a steal.
Ill take a right winger, a position the Leafs don’t have a lot of depth in, who can put up 70+ points a year over an oft-injured defensemen and a guy who was shaping up to be a good 3rd liner.
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by Pamplemousse on Nov 24, 2008 2:28 PM EST reply actions
I’m just emotionally devastated. I’m high on Stemps. I think he’s a good player.
But Carlo and Steen. I had much invested into those two boys. I wish them nothing but success.
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same here
good luck you guys, I’ll mis you…
(single tear)
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I think Cliffy is far from done, I sense somethin’a brewin’
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2008 2:29 PM EST reply actions
I agree with Jared
it’s a good trade, but doesn’t address the team weaknesses at all…
by Karina on Nov 24, 2008 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
either that or im having a stroke
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2008 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
hmmm...
hypothetically speaking…
so Burke is asked his opinion on this deal. he sends off a euro and a canadian boy that shatters on impact for a NY state boy with a mid-west sounding name. maybe Burke is going to remake this team into Anaheim north…
"You do dat, you go to da box, you know, uh, two minutes by yourself, and you feel shame, you know, and then you get free."
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by blurr1974 on Nov 24, 2008 2:30 PM EST reply actions
only works
if we get a Pronger and Niedermeyer.
by Karina on Nov 24, 2008 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
When we Draft Cowen we will have Schenn – Cowen or rather Pronger- Nieds 2.0
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2008 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
Really??
Cowen’s another Nieds? That sure is some pressure on young shoulders….
Maybe we can trick Nashville into giving up Weber.
by Karina on Nov 24, 2008 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
Cow-Cow is a beast, He’d be the Pronger in that case, without all the douchyness
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2008 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
well…jaredsense is tingling…
and PPP was wearing an awesome Clark jersey, maybe it will somehow cancel out the Chemmy jersey curse?
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by blurr1974 on Nov 24, 2008 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
It apparently amplified it :(
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We need to ban Chemmy from buying player jerseys unless
he’s buying Hollweg or something. Or would that be like washing your car to make it rain?
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drugs are bad mmmkay?
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2008 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
so true
did you know their advertising budget is like $6 billion a year?
by Karina on Nov 24, 2008 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
thats why I drink Pepsi
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2008 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
like a
death row pardon two minutes too late
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PWND
that was awesome-sauce
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2008 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
that's just
unnatural
Have you tried all wine?!?!?
by Karina on Nov 24, 2008 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
even that
I do not like the taste at all. I can get alcohol that is A) stronger and B)doesn’t make me gag elsewhere
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they did
wine tastes like rotten grape juice to me.
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no seriously
French word for grape is “Raisin” (ray-ZHAN)
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I’m not even sure what poop-cock is, maybe that’s untranslatable?
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it sounds like a very unimaginative porno name
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2008 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
I also can’t stand wine, and I drink scotch and Rye on the rocks, it just tastes like rotting fruit to me.
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2008 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
THANK YOU
I’m not the only one who can’t stand wine.
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except
it might MIGHT be good enough fro sangria, but even then it’s not so great
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I dunno
I thought there was some, but at least the wine taste is covered up in brandy (I think) and fruit juice, so it works
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to the wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sangria
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To The Off-Topic Thread
http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2008/11/24/669083/chatty-cathy-nov-24-2008
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I fail to keep people in line
sorry PPP. :(
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No Worries
You’re no Napoleon ;)
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yeah
I’m not that short and not french, +2 for me ;)
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it is the gross
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2008 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
If the leafs get any more speed they’ll be able to travel back in time, superman style. Hm, perhaps that is the plan?
Go back to April of 93 and shoot Kerry Fraser!
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even better
stop Kerry Fraser’s mom and dad from kissing at the dance
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so thats the reason Cliff signed Hollweg, he is the perfect assasin, Fraser will never see him coming
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2008 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
especially if...
he’s standing right in front of him…
zing!
"You do dat, you go to da box, you know, uh, two minutes by yourself, and you feel shame, you know, and then you get free."
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by blurr1974 on Nov 24, 2008 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
They’re trying to up the average speed of the squad.
Nik Antropov drags it way down with his slo-mo highlights-style skating.
The difference between Nik’s line and Grabs’ is frightening.
Antro is a battle ship
Grabs is a speed boat
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2008 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
ain't it?
noticed that against Chicago, it’s like Antro’s line was skating in cement…
"You do dat, you go to da box, you know, uh, two minutes by yourself, and you feel shame, you know, and then you get free."
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by blurr1974 on Nov 24, 2008 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
Wow
I had Steen pencilled in as captain in a few years. So much for that one.
Stempniak can score, though. That’s a start.
Leaf, the universe and everything.
I’m still waiting on a first string sniper, but I guess if we cant get one of those 2 or 3 second tier ones
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2008 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
Good lord
You guys are spamming so fast I can’t even keep up (I’m actually trying to work… I know I know it’s a Monday).
"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)
Being on holiday’s good.
Mum came into town to do shopping.
So I get home at the back of 7 and find that we’ve swung a trade.
Don’t mind losing Carlo – He’s been on the way out since Wilson got here. Steen just hasn’t shown the new management enough.
I’d like to think that we could have still got a draft pick out of it since StL need bodies and both Carlo and Steen have some promise. I think we could have held out for a 4th rounder.
Just a reminder...
the Fletcher Presser starts at 3pm (10 minutes from now)
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woo
but I need to buy food and only want to talk a half hour lunch…
will someone sum up afterwards?
by Karina on Nov 24, 2008 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
To the idiot boxes!
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2008 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
Scratch...
It’ll be a media scrum, not a conference.
Regardless, Im sure LeafsTV will be all over it.
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it’s an informal news conference – picture a politician or NHL GM surrounded by mics, reporters, cameras…
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so does that mean
no official statement, just questions being taken?
by Karina on Nov 24, 2008 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
Probably a 30 to 45 second statement from Cliff and then opening the floor for Qs
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Where Fletcher’s eyes will light up when asked if Burke approved this move.
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But sadly without Damien Cox lying at the bottom of it with someone punching him in the balls repeatedly like what goes on in rugby.
I don't need to see it.
I just need to know that it happened… That someone somewhere punched Cox squarely and repeatedly in the groin is good enough for me.
PP Fix?
Wilson has repeatedly bemoaned the lack of a right-handed shot on the Leafs’ PP and Stempniak shoots right…
Very sad to see Steen go, I think he’s a solid contributor at a reasonable price.
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Good Point
That gives him another option other than White
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Agreed.
I think that’s a big part of the reason. Continued FAIL on the 5 on 3s must have been very frustrating to Wilson & Cliffy pulls the trigger as a result. To make sense, it has to be a long-term hockey deal for us. I have to confess never having heard of Stempniak before; I hope we’re not getting Gary Leeman’ed here.
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where can i watch the presser?
tsn?
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I'd go out on a limb
And say Leafs TV is your best bet for it live.
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bush
I’m at work.
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I think
they usually have a link on the Leafs website…
by Karina on Nov 24, 2008 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
Leafs TV
Has the Steen trade on their crawl, but no word yet as to if they’ll be covering it live.
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I trust
that when I get back with food, you all will fill me in on whatever Uncle Cliffy said…
by Karina on Nov 24, 2008 2:57 PM EST reply actions
If it’s on LeafsTV I can post notable quotes
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Hooray!
Stupid real work in an office without cable.
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I guess I picked a good day to be at the ENT with my daughter…it certainly left my afternoon open in case the Leafs swung a deal.
BTW, Sportsnet is showing some American program; TSN has billiards; The Score is showing Sunday NFL highlights and LeafsTV is showing ancient footage of Leafs teams doing calesthenics (sp?).
Me thinks there isn’t going to be anything formal down at the ACC.
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John Davidson is scheduled to be on the fan 590
after the next break – I would guess five minutes live to air at 3:45
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Ridiculous
Guess it’s media-only…
In other words: I might be able to scrounge something up within the hour
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Pot Pourri
Leafs TV just had an announcement that news re. the trade is available on mapleleafs.com (and then cut back to a program called “Hap’s Day”)
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Seriously?
What is Hap’s Day about? Damn, I need to get digital cable.
Also – never read the comment boards on a newspaper website. That is all.
Hap’s Day is a series of talking head interviews with former Leafs (Howie Meeker, Ted Kennedy, Gaye Stewart) and aged sports writers (Frank Orr) interspersed with really old hockey footage. Lots of still photos that they’ve used a motion cam on to make it visually interesting. I’ve never seen it before and after watching 15 minutes of it, can’t say I’ll be keeping an eye out for it in the future.
The Narrator sounds like Grizzly Adams on ludes.
Other than games, I think this is the most I’ve ever watched Leafs TV. I’m certainly glad it’s a freebie with Rogers digital.
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Hey
Who is Hendrickson going to do those “Learn to Play Hockey with the Leafs” segments on Leafs TV with now that Steen and Cola are gone?
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by Pamplemousse on Nov 24, 2008 3:05 PM EST reply actions
Except these segments are about the Leafs teaching people how to play hockey not about the Leafs learning to play.
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Maybe Hendrickson has to report to St. Louis too…
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That’s too much to ask for.
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by Pamplemousse on Nov 24, 2008 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
Leafs official news release is here.
Notice the last line: The trade is contingent upon all three players passing their respective physicals.
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That’s standard though right?
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Stemp Who?
Being from Victoria I have see a bit of Stempniak and actually been to a few Blues games. Seems people from the east tend to not follow the whole sport. There is another conference before the finals, you know? He disappears once in a while, which Leafs fans are used to. But at nearly a point a game I can handle this trade. Getting rid of Colaiacovo gives me one less whipping boy, though, and my favorite one at that!
Rebuilding, not tanking
we try to follow the whole sport, but those other games are on after our bedtimes
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2008 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
It’s sometimes hard to see St. Louis games since TSN, LeafsTV, Sportsnet, and CBC tend to not show them.
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I can barely afford the cable that I am steali…I mean not paying for now, Center Ice is out of the question
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2008 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
grape juice is delicious
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2008 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
goes good with vodka
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2008 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
I already get tonnes of hockey with the regular channels and don’t really have that big of an interest in seeing much more than the highlights and other team blogs have to say. Plus, Jared is right, lots of money for teams that I don’t really care about.
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wait...
are you saying there is such a thing as too much hockey? I don’t think I could ever speak to you again
There is never enough hockey that I care about. Ideally the World Juniors would be a league but there is only so much hockey I don’t give a rat’s ass about I can watch.
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OOO ooo
I’ve seen PBH! Absolutely insane. It disbanded didn’t it? I can’t believe there’s no coverage in canada. Hockey+Bikinis!!!!
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And....
I actually played as the Blues for a few weeks in EA NHL 08 and 09. Fast and potent up front and they made Legace a god……I would only see the Saturday games if I didn’t buy Centre Ice this year. Only so many Canucks games I can handle.
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Holy Crap!
There’s a western conference now?
Next thing you know there’ll be teams in Texas, Florida and Arizona….
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by Pamplemousse on Nov 24, 2008 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
LOL
There actually are quite a few new ones in the pipeline including, you betcha, a Coyotes one.
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hahaha
I am guessing that it might be you? Nice.
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Why… No. Why would you think that……?
/sarcasm
by Travis Hair on Nov 25, 2008 12:06 AM EST up reply actions
tee hee
you said boner
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2008 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks for joining!
So…good deal?
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This is the best...
Way to kill an afternoon of work before going home.
Thanks everyone.
Oh yeah…. I like the deal.
Likewise.
I think this is a steal.
I’ve always sort of felt we had two of the same players in Steen and Stajan, and after watching Stajan really elevate his game this year and step into a bigger role with the team, it was kind of only a matter of time.
Yeah
Stajan getting a real chance and taking advantage of it while Steen couldn’t force the issue seems to have settled things.
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thats chem
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2008 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
41 years + terrible drafting + stupid fans + directionless leadership + trading before Burke signs next week + stupid fans + Leafs have no idea what they’re doing + stupid fans = Damien Cox’s next column
dont forget
about the stupid fans
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2008 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
also
stupid fans…:P
"You do dat, you go to da box, you know, uh, two minutes by yourself, and you feel shame, you know, and then you get free."
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by blurr1974 on Nov 24, 2008 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
Basically the Blues are hoping they are selling high and buying low. So it’s a gamble from their point of view.
As a fan of Stempniak, I’m obviously not feeling great about it.
When Sean started St. Louis Game Time, he was the first player we really wrote about in a “He’s our guy, damn I hope he turns out to be a decent player” kind of way. We gave him a goofy nickname, Dutchie, that related to a fictional story about him being a member of the kid musical group that sang about Passing the Dutchie Round the Lefthand Side.
I’m feeling a little weepy just reminiscing. We’ll see you around the block shortly, soon to be electronic neighbor.
Ex-cellent.
(Not the trade part, but the “soon-to-be electronic neighbor” part.)
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i went to my thinking place...
and decided that i trust in cliffy. he’s never steered us wrong. sure the Hollweg deal is kind of a headscratcher (except when he actually settles down and plays, like he did rather well in Calgary) but for the most part, Cliffy never makes a move that leaves his team weaker…
"You do dat, you go to da box, you know, uh, two minutes by yourself, and you feel shame, you know, and then you get free."
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by blurr1974 on Nov 24, 2008 3:19 PM EST reply actions
Yeah
I guess we’ll just have to trust in Cliff…
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Small Stemp notes:
Stempniak will be flying into Toronto this evening…
If all 3 players pass there phyiscal, he will be in the lineup tomorrow vs Thrashers
Stempniak will undergo his physical Tuesday morning.
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hehehe
Nice to have an inside source!
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cap hit
did you guys know this guy has a 2.5 million dollar cap hit. That is as much as Steen and Colo, I sure hopes he lives up to expectations. Don’t need another Blake on hour hands
NHL numbers has his salary at $2.5 but his cap hit at $1.8; Hockey Buzz has both at $2.5…I’ve found NHL numbers to usually be the more accurate source. I wonder which one is right.
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More of interest
From StL Game Time. Sounds like a worker, which is good:
Adam that is the big point and that’s what I mean by hope. Hope that Steen rediscovers himself and hope Cola can suddenly be healthy. That’s a lot of hope.
Stempniak was fucked over last year. McClement and Backes could not finish regularly when Lee set them up and at the start of the season he was kissing the iron or being robbed. Then people also expected him to put up bigger numbers last season than the year before when there was even less talent on the team that year and all the talent there was were traded leaving what some twenty some odd games where Lee was the go to guy on the power play.
Lee never shorted us with effort. I watched him stay after a practice last season and practice his side board to the slot shot and one timers, just shooting, shooting shooting and skating and after about thirty minutes I left and he was still going at it when I left. That’s heart. Then toward the end of last season he was seeing time on the ice with King.
This season he’s back on the first unit PP, getting time killing penalties more and playing stronger all around. He’s time for the team lead in short handed points(lol the lone goal with McDonals netting it).
I think Lee was only getting better. He looked stronger on the puck this season and harder to knock down. He was starting to remind me of Martin St. Louis.
I’m not saying this trade couldn’t work I’m just saying we certainly got the shot hand of the stick relying on a lot if IFs and hope.
Grabs – Hags – Stemp sounds like it could be a very scary line
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2008 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
I’m wondering if there would be any chemistry with Mayers? Former teammates?
I think that’s who he’ll be with tomorrow night at least.
yeah, But i doubt Stemp will get put on the 4th and i dont think Mayers will get bumped up either
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2008 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
Who wants to take up a collection to get Chemmy a Blake jersey?
It’s worth a try…
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by Down Goes Brown on Nov 24, 2008 3:27 PM EST reply actions
let's put the carlo injury pool money to good use!
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by blurr1974 on Nov 24, 2008 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
half and half! a Howlake
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2008 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
hahaha
Anything that might work should be tried. Although Chemmy was saying that Blake should have been the only one that wasn’t allowed to wear Wendel’s jersey Saturday night…
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Well that's Nice
Boss just came into my cubicle and asked how my day was going. I thought it was a co-worker and without looking who it was just said, Leafs traded Steen and Colaiacovo.
He just looked at me and shook his head and walked away…
must be a sens fan
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2008 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
LOL
I love it….
that is, indeed, how my day is going…
by Karina on Nov 24, 2008 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
Osborne wasn’t wearing a mustache Saturday night.
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John Davidson on the Fan590
From the Fan 590 Interview:
Toronto hoping Lee develops into a 30 goal scorer and the Blues believe Steen and Cola need a fresh start and can provide the Blues much-needed depth.
Stempniak: works hard, dedicated physically, had a rough year last season; can play both wings and the point on the PP. Not pleasant to trade a nice kid like this, but it’s a business…
Blues are trying to get their team deeper, dealing with numerous injuries.
Steen is a top 9 guy with lots of upside (Davidson is using “upside” about every four words).
Knows that Cola has a history of injuries, but believes the Blues can work with him and turn him around.
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Stempniak is also local-ish. From the Buffalo area.
I’m wondering how he’s undersized at 6’2", 195. What does that make Grabovski?
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There’s not much known about this kid… I read that he is 5’11 and 190 then I saw 6’0 195, 5’10 at 200 and now I see 6’2 195.
anyone have real specs on him?
...
NHL.com
lists him as 6’0" and 195, and technically those should be right numbers… but does it matter?
We can size him up from his play, which hopefully we’ll get to see tomorrow night.
by Karina on Nov 24, 2008 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
hopefully..
he’s 4’8" and weighs 265 lbs.
that would be awesome
"You do dat, you go to da box, you know, uh, two minutes by yourself, and you feel shame, you know, and then you get free."
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by blurr1974 on Nov 24, 2008 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
"I’m wondering how he’s undersized at 6’2", 195. What does that make Grabovski?"
Bite sized?
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Umm, do you think they mean it the same way you might say that Jiri Tlusty has good size? Uhh, or so I hear, I didn’t download the picture’s or anything like that.
by Mirinov's Nose on Nov 24, 2008 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
maybe compared to antro and poni, but thank god, I thought we might have signed another midget when I heard he was undersized
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2008 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
Note too that the one blurb says he’s slow, while the other lists his quickness as among his ‘pros’.
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I'd like to point out...
That the one that says he’s fast is from Sportsnet, and thusly, is probably the incorrect one
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Yeah
If he’s actually small then this is an asset for the impending Burke-quake I guess.
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Depends
Did Kypreos say it?
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MF
you were all over the Leafs for buying high and selling low. How’d we do here?
We’re selling mighty low on both Carlo and Steen…but they might never get higher…and Stemps def. has some upside (word of the day!)
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I have no idea (what else is new?)
I think it should be noted that Stempniak isn’t exactly at his high value point either.
Cola is a wash, the guy can’t stay healthy enough to make a real contribution and I’m not surprised that the organization has run out of patience.
Steen is the one that puzzles me.
I’d love the media to ask Wilson what his expectation was for Steen and what role Steen had been assigned. If he was being told to be a two-way threat he’s clearly not holding up one end of that bargain…
Stempniak is a 0.5 PPG player and he’s only 25. The wrinkle in the deal is that Stempniak is a UFA in two years where Steen is an RFA so the Blues get a bit more salary control.
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13 PTS in 14 GP
How would his value be low now? Just the bad season last year. IIRC, Cola and Steen are both UFAs after next season.
Sorry, by “low” I meant the big picture (bad season, huge contract) not the last 12 games…
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Carlo
Definitely no shock to see them give up on him especially once Wilson had apparently soured on him.
Hopefully Mirtle was able to ask Wilson that question about Steen because for the last two seasons he’s been asked to be a checking forward after putting up 45 points as a rookie. If Quinn had never been fired he’d never be traded.
Maybe 13 pts in 14 games wasn’t enough. Man Grabs Stemps? His name doesn’t work as well.
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It seems like there is a split
as to whether Steen had a chance to prove himself a top 6 forward or not. I certainly think he got that chance and didn’t produce.
But wouldn’t it be great if someone with access and a tape recorder actually asked?
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Yes
I hope Mirtle asked.
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I'm glad Mirtle is there
today of all days… I hope he’s got a good scoop for us! Or at least some good insight.
by Karina on Nov 24, 2008 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
I’m certainly looking forward to his report.
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ditto...
as PPP knows, he’s no jeff Carter…
"You do dat, you go to da box, you know, uh, two minutes by yourself, and you feel shame, you know, and then you get free."
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by blurr1974 on Nov 24, 2008 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
When?
He got a chance in his first year and about 20 games last year. Other than that I don’t think he has. He has shown that he isn’t a driver of offence but he can put up points with other good players.
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There are a lot of guysq
who can do that. Stemps first season at least showed that he can put up offence with little help.
Yeah
And that is what I would guess is that Stempniak has shown (maybe) that he can drive offensive results rather than put them up if put in the right situation.
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maybe for them...
but TO is the worst defensive team in the league……..
by Karina on Nov 24, 2008 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
HRM...
the story on NHL.com says THE worst…. could they be wrong?!?!? gasps in shock
by Karina on Nov 24, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
trader cliff becomes fleecer cliff!
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
Carlo this year seems to have forgotten how to be an offensive contributor. I think with the absence of McCabe, the Leafs were hoping Carlo could step into that role a bit. Over his injury riddled career, Carlo still averaged 0.3 points per game, or, 3 points every ten games or so. This year, Carlo has but one assist after 10 games, or a point per game average of 0.1. Not good enough, not even close.
I will say this though: Carlo should be remembered for being a warrior, who played with a lot of heart and courage. While other guys were just collecting paycheques on their way to developing a Country Club atmosphere in the dressing room, Carlo was sacrificing his body to make a play, to block a shot, to clear the zone, etc. He deserved better. Tough to see him go. Wishing him the best of luck.
by general borschevsky on Nov 24, 2008 4:29 PM EST reply actions
I wish him the best of luck as well
but at the same time, I hope this means Van Ryn is sticking around.
by Karina on Nov 24, 2008 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
me too...
Still, I’m starting to think that when Burke comes on, this team will look even less like it does now.
Chances are in the next year, Kaberle, Toskala, Poni, Tlusty and Strallman could all be gone. He may even trade Grabovski while his value is even higher…shudder to think.
"You do dat, you go to da box, you know, uh, two minutes by yourself, and you feel shame, you know, and then you get free."
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by blurr1974 on Nov 24, 2008 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
Grabovski and Kabs
will stay – Burke knows the value of a top-10 Dman at that price, unless the offer is phenomenal. The others are all gone, yeah.
even Stralman?
I have much love for him ever since last year’s world championships….
by Karina on Nov 24, 2008 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
Steen's inability to improve in the faceoff circle doomed him
If we go by the assumption that Stajan and Steen are basically interchangeable, which I don’t agree with necessarily, then Steen’s struggles in the faceoff circle prevented him with a real chance to play with Antropov and Poni. As a result, Steen was put as a left winger to play on the lower lines. Unfortunate, but Steen did seem relieved from a career point that he’s going to a team that will give him top-6 minutes with all the injuries.
I don’t think this is the case, but I wonder if Lee Stempniak will ever be flipped in another trade later in the year or 2011 before his UFA? Stempniak may turn out to be one of the Leafs cornerstones, which is obviously preferable, but Stempniak, like everyone on this team, is still a potential asset.
Good Deal
If you think about it, we had too many d-men, especially the good stay at home kind like Colaiacovo… seeing someone like Stralman go would’ve hurt more.
And with Steen, he just never fit in on the team. We already have depth at centre, and he needed to play in a top two line role, and couldn’t. Even if he scores 20 in STL, I won’t regret it because there’s no way he was scoring 20 here. Also, maybe we are making room at centre for a certain he who must not be named…?
And Stempniak, seems good enough. Anyway, better than either Steen on Coliacovo, plus we needed a good goal scoring winger. Hopefully he fits in, but even if he doesn’t score 25 like we expect, all we really lost was a 3rd liner and an extra d-man. And we have an abundance of those.
by GerbersAdvocate on Nov 24, 2008 7:29 PM EST reply actions
Finally got the chance to go home and smoke...
and I couldn’t agree more with Chemmy.
This is a steal.
The more I think about it, the more I say “REALLY? For Steen and Colaiacovo? Wow.” and I break into laughter.
Might have something to do with the pot.
Either way, at the end of the day, I’m happy.
PS – pizza rules
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I agree this trade is an absolute steal. Fletcher bends over yet another unsuspecting victim. Stempniak is hands down better than Steen, and Colaiacovo doesnt really do much to even things up for the Blues. Plus weve got so many D we wont miss him. When Van Ryn gets back Cola wont even be an afterthought.
Fletcher is a highway robber.
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Upon further review, today the deal seems a lot better, I think it was an issue of sentiment.
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 25, 2008 7:47 AM EST up reply actions
same here
my head keeps trying to tell me it’s a good deal, but my heart’s still got a frowny face
Making stuff up since real Leafs news is far too depressing
it is true, I will miss the Steen-engine and the splody-panda (two nicknames I was thinking about using more often)
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 25, 2008 8:29 AM EST up reply actions
FullSteenAhead and Coco_puffs, we hardly knew ye
Now I REALLY need to make up more names. Top the off topic thread! http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2008/11/25/670084/chatt-cathy-november-25-20
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