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Where Are They Now? Episode Three

The reign of error from which we were delivered last year had a number of defining characteristics. Sure, incompetence might seem like just one characteristic but I guess what I am saying is that you can break it down into different kinds of incompetence. This version of WATN will look at all of JFJ's brilliant acquisitions that are now out of the NHL.

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Jean-Sebastien Aubin

How did he get to Toronto

Signed to a PTO (tryout) contract by St. John's (AHL), November 13, 2004.
Signed as a free agent by Toronto, August 18, 2005.

GP MIN W L OTL SO SV% GAA

31

1481

12

5

4

1

.899

2.88

JS took over from Mikael Tellqvist (coming soon to a WATN near you) after he and the Leafs perpetrated a fraud on Leafs Nation in Montreal. They said that they were a team chasing the playoffs and they actually played like my junior varsity hockey team that went a season without winning. He proceeded to backstop the Leafs to a pressure-free 9-0-2 mark that tricked fans into thinking that the Leafs were not garbage.

Where Are They Now?

Backup goalie for the Philadelphia Phantoms and not very good either.

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Ed Belfour

How did he get to Toronto

Signed as a free agent by Toronto, July 2, 2002

GP MIN W L OTL SO SV% GAA

170

10079

93

61

15

17

.912

2.51

Signing Crazy Eddie actually was not a bad move. The Leafs would never have made it past the senators in the spring of 2004 if not for his heroics. Of course, that move was not made by JFJ.

What he did orchestrate was an extension for a guy coming off of back surgery with the league headed into a lockout which apparently would have consequences that no one ever (except for everyone not employed as General Manager of the Toronto Maple Leafs) saw coming. One of those was that having a goalie recovering from back surgery and entire season off the ice might not be the best idea.

Where Are They Now?

Back from Sweden after realizing that one billion dollars doesn't go that far. Also, giving his car company an online presence. Well, soon anyway.

Many more mistakes are chronicled after the jump.

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Mariusz Czerkawski

How did they get to Toronto

Signed as a free agent by Toronto, September 10, 2005

GP G A P +/-

19

4

1

5

-2

The Polish Prince was once a reliable 20-30 goal scorer. Obviously, you would never have known that from watching him in the blue and white. Less than 20 games into his career as a Leaf he was waived and became a footnote in the club's history.

Where Are They Now?

He finished his career in Switzerland with the Rapperswil-Jona Lakers retiring after last season after helping them win promotion to the National League A. Coincidentally, soon to be honoured Doug Gilmour played there during the 1994 lockout.

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Alexander Khavanov

How did he get to Toronto

Signed as a free agent by Toronto, August 9, 2005

GP G A P +/-

64

6

6

12

-11

Khavanov was a classic JFJ signing. There was no real need for him since the Leafs already had McCabe and Kaberle to work the powerplay as well as Colaiacovo and a stable of other kids (Kronwall, Harrison, White) that could have used more seasoning. Instead, we got Khavanov.

Where Are They Now?

After finishing his career with HC Davos Khavanov has disappeared from the face of the earth. If anyone knows what he is doing I'd appreciate it.

Editor's Note: Man, remember when I said that this would include all of JFJ's signings that are now out of the NHL? Well, once I started I realized that the list was far too long for one post. It is now at least four posts including this one. Sad, I know...

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Eddie's photo

That is so him

Is that Domi next to him or a Domi-look-alike?

"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)

by Winkle on Dec 16, 2008 11:06 AM EST reply actions  

oh crazy eddie

I remember him coming to TO and getting boo’d cause he wasn’t Cujo. By the end of the game he had won us over.

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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 16, 2008 11:12 AM EST reply actions  

I posted this on the FTB too, but...

MERRY CHRISTMAS, MY PEOPLES.

I’ve got a flight tonight, am tying up loose ends at work, and will be heading out soon. I will attempt to check in from the Motherland, although do not know how successful I will be.

I probably won’t be on much for the next two weeks, so Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to all.

PPP and Chemmy/Jammies, been a great year over here, boys. Cheers to you, and to everyone else who makes this place so special.

Toodles, my friends.

And remember, Mats Sundin is the greatest Leaf ever.

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by eyebleaf on Dec 16, 2008 11:42 AM EST reply actions  

Khavanov was shit and I hated him, but he did score some big goals when I was being delusional of the Leafs’ playoff chances.

by Darryl Sittler's 10 Pt Night on Dec 16, 2008 11:47 AM EST reply actions  

The worst thing about Khavanov...

…is that I will always remember him for putting the final nail into the Leafs’ coffin during that infamous night when they gave away a 5-0 lead after 30 minutes against the Blues. One of these moments you ask yourself: why bother after all? Only to come back the next day desperately looking for Leafs news…

by le_affan on Dec 16, 2008 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

The best thing about Khavanov...

…was his honesty. When he was asked what he would do if he were the Leafs GM back in 2006, he said no Leaf deserved to have their contract renewed after the team failed to make the playoffs.

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by mf37 on Dec 16, 2008 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Khavanov = mad scientist

He was hilarious as a Blue, with big goals mixed in with confounding gaffes. It made so much sense (the JFJ kind of "sense") that JFJ signed him after the Blues discovered his risks outweighed his rewards.

But in addition to being very funny, Khavanov was supposedly a brilliant physicist/chemist. So he was undrafted, and the Blues had to convince him that pro hockey for gobs of money in N. America was worth leaving science behind for a while.

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by Dominik on Dec 16, 2008 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Belfour --- ugh...

It’s funny, but I blame Belfour specifically for the Leafs losses in 2002-03 and in 2003-04. He had the periodic brain cramps in the playoffs that sent the Leafs playoff hopes into the shitter.

In ‘02-03, he lost Game 4 a 3-2 overtime loss in the 6th period that tied the series up, when the Leafs had a 2-1 series lead. He was good for 5 periods then let in a crappy goal to get the Flyers back into the series and turn it around in Philly’s favor. It was a horrible goal, it looked like he wasn’t even trying and I got pissed! He was merde the rest of the way, including the 4-1 loss in Philly, and the 6-1 drubbing in Game 7, giving up two late first period goals and then proceeding to scat the bed.

Not to be outdone, in ‘03-04, he was good, not great in the Leafs wins, and horrible in Leafs losses. He shut out the Sens twice (more an indication of the Sens inability to score rather than Belfour’s brilliance) and then he promptly sucked in both the first two games against the Flyers on the road. The Leafs got back into the series, tying it at two with both wins at home, another reflection of the teams resolve, and then gave up the first two goals by the Flyers erly in Game 5 which turned out to be the Bryan McCabe mistake-laden 7-2 debacle.

Then the heartbreaker Game 6 … giving up two early goals in the first period (on easy shots!!) within a six minute span, the Buds were down 2-0 early, needed late game heroics with goals by Pilar and Sundin to get the game back to 2’s and send it into overtime. Toronto handled an early barrage, and then sent everything down Philly’s way to score the winner. It was clear Toronto (at home no less) were buoyed by their tenacity but then Roenick comes back on a 2-1 and Belfour drops to his knees on a routine shot that he should have had, series and season over.

The Belfour era was a disgrace in Toronto.

by KatsHockey on Dec 16, 2008 11:53 AM EST reply actions  

I'm going to have to disagree
  • 02-03 that Recchi shot was a tough one to give up but I don’t think that he wasn’t trying. The seventh game was a team effort in sucking.
  • He was insane in that senators series. Suggesting otherwise is revisionist history. The game 5 debacle was, what became emblematic of the team over the past few years, a case of the team being unable to halt their opponent’s momentum. Again, it doesn’t help when Keith Primeau is allowed free rein all over the ice.
  • Game 6 was a stomach punch loss especially since the Leafs had some 10 bell chances in OT and Tucker had just scrambled Kapinen’s brain but that shot by Roenick was inch-perfect.

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by PPP on Dec 16, 2008 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Belfour

Was the best thing to happen to the Leaf’s defensive system in a long time… heck Eddie WAS the Leaf’s defense system.

He was awful for the shootout but Eddie was one of the best positional goalies in the league, he was always in the right place at the right time, with so much experience under his belt he could read shooters and plays like no other goalie on the ice at the time.

Honestly if it wasn’t for Eddie, we probably wouldn’t have made the playoffs in any of those seasons or gotten to where we did.

"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)

by Winkle on Dec 16, 2008 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Obviously only my opinion, but ...

Recchi’s goal — It looked like he wasn’t trying, and that’s the crux of this anti-Belfour feeling. Whether he was or wasn’t is subjective, but at every wrong turn that playoff, it was Belfour who dropped the ball … that one goal was turning point, making the series into a 2-2 affair, instead of a 3-1 stranglehold and I blame the Eagle for letting in, yet, another softie.

Wouldn’t have gotten to the playoffs without Eddie? The following season, Toronto had their share of contributors, it was a total team effort.

They were 4th on the PP, and 20th in the PK. I have to disagree that Belfour was the reason for success. They recorded 103 points with the 4th best g/game average (2.95), right behind TB and they let in 2.49 g/game, in the 15th range. It wasn’t Belfour, it was an entire team effort, solidified by the acquisition of Brian Leetch at the deadline, and for a club that was looking to take the next step.

Eddie was actually pretty similar to Raycroft, letting in a killer goal at a killer moment. He just didn’t do it as often as Raycroft (God, who did??), but it was still a problem. One could make the case for this in Chicago, San Jose and Dallas, despite winning a Cup.

His selfishness and ‘me-first’ attitude was a detriment and he quit on the Leafs after the lockout. He was ‘injured’ … please

In my eyes, he was a bust.

by KatsHockey on Dec 16, 2008 1:06 PM EST reply actions  

Whether he was or wasn’t is subjective

No, it’s not subjective, it’s crazy. Why would he possibly have given up in overtime with a chance to go to the conference finals?

As for it not being about Eddie:
2002-2003 Regular Season 2.26 GAA .922 Sv%
2002-2003 Playoffs 2.71GAA .915 Sv%

2003-2004 Regular Season 2.13GAA .918 Sv%
2003-2004 Playoffs 2.09 GAA and .929 Sv%

Seems like everywhere they lost in your comments it’s Eddie’s fault but when they win it’s a team effort. Those numbers seem to indicate that the team’s success had a lot to do with Belfour. In that 2003 series against the Flyers they averaged 40 shots a game against the Leafs.

In the 2002-2003 regular season the Leafs gave up 29.5 shots per game good for 8th worst in the league.
In 2003-2004 they actually managed to get it down to 26 shots per game.

Keep in mind that the Leafs’ blueline for these two years featured such luminaries as Wade Belak, Aki Berg, Ric Jackman, Bryan Marchment, and a washed up Ken Klee (2003-2004) and Belak, Berg, Jackman, Lumme, and Svehla (2002-2003).

he quit on the Leafs after the lockout. He was ‘injured’ … please

I agree with that part.

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by PPP on Dec 16, 2008 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks

I wanted to do some number crunching but I’m at work and don’t have time to!!!

Just my little 2 cents, I would say CuJo was worst then Belfour for letting in the soft ones during regular season and playoffs during his first run as in the blue and white.

"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)

by Winkle on Dec 16, 2008 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Cujo

had a bad habit of letting in a soft one early, then playing out of his mind the rest of the game.

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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 16, 2008 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Almost

like he felt bad and wanted to make it up to Pat

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by Winkle on Dec 16, 2008 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it was a strategy, he’d let in one to piss himself off and he’d get all angry and hulk out

“CUJO STOP PUNY PUCKS!”

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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 16, 2008 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

All right, let’s put those stats into perspective though?

As for it not being about Eddie:
2002-2003 Regular Season 2.26 GAA .922 Sv%
2002-2003 Playoffs 2.71GAA .915 Sv%

2003-2004 Regular Season 2.13GAA .918 Sv%
2003-2004 Playoffs 2.09 GAA and .929 Sv%

Here are various other goaltenders in that same era (2002-03 and ’03-04)

Ottawa Senators
Patrick Lalime

2002-03 – 2.16 GAA 0.911 SV%
2003-04 – 2.29 GAA 0.905 SV%

Tampa Bay – Nik Khabibulin
2002-03 – 2.47 GAA 0.911 SV%
2003-04 – 2.33 GAA 0.910 SV%

Buffalo
2002-03

Mika Noronen – 16GP 2.42 GAA 0.912 SV%
Martin Biron – 54GP 2.56 GAA .908 SV%
Ryan Miller – 15GP 2.63 GAA .902SV%

2003-04
Mika Noronen – 35GP 2.57 GAA .906 SV%
Martin Biron – 52GP 2.52 GAA .913 SV%
Ryan Miller – 3GP 5.08 GAA .795 SV%

San Jose – 2002-03

Vesa Toskala – 11 GP 2.35 GAA .927 SV%
Evgeni Nabokov – 55GP 2.71 GAA .906 SV%
Miikka Kiprusoff – 22GP 3.25 GAA .879 SV%

San Jose – 2003-04
Vesa Toskala – 28GP 2.06 GAA .930 SV%
Evgeni Nabokov – 59GP 2.21 GAA ..921 SV%
Miikka Kiprusoff – TRADED TO CALGARY

Carolina – 2002-03
Kevin Weekes – 51GP 2.55 GAA .912 SAA
Arturs Irbe – 34GP 3.18 GAA .877 SV%

2003-04
Name GP GAA Svspct
Kevin Weekes 2.33 .912
Arturs Irbe 10GP 2.45 .899
Jamie Storr 14 2.91 .878

Phoenix
2002-03
Name GP GAA Svspct
Sean Burke 22 2.12 0.930
Zac Bierk 16 2.17 .932
Brian Boucher 3.02 .894
Jean-Marc Pelletier 2 3.03 .875
Patrick DesRochers 4 3.77 .875

Phoenix
2003-04

Name GP GAA Svspct
Brent Johnson 8 GP2.60 .914
Brian Boucher 40 2.74 .906
Sean Burke 32 2.81 .908
Zac Bierk 4 3.81 0.889
Jean-Marc Pelletier 4 4.14 .857

This was the dead-puck era, so using Belfour’s stats in that context has to have a baseline. When teams like Phoenix, San Jose and Buffalo (who didn’t make the playoffs in those two years) are getting top goalies under 3 GAA, then it’s all relative, isn’t it?

You forgot Bryan McCabe (in a decent year), Glen Wesley (2002-03) Kaberle, Brian Leetch (’03-04).

It’s all relative which is why I hate using statistics as my guiding way. Belfour shit the bed at the most important times in the Leafs run. Toronto had to score twice in Game 6 against Philly, late in the game, to send it to overtime. Roberts scored overtime goals against the Sens in a thriller, and throughout those two season, Toronto showed a great will to come from behind and win games (remember giving up 2-0 leads in those days?)

The bottom line is, Belfour’s job was to stop pucks, just like it was the offense’s job to score goals. Toronto didn’t always support that notion of offensive support, but that was Quinn’s mantra since taking over from neutral zone trapping Mike Murphy.

Belfour was supposed to stop the puck. At crucial times, he didn’t and it’s the reason I give him the goat horns for the Leafs inability to get further in the postseason.

I know, everyone has moved on. …. too bad, this could have been a good debate.

by KatsHockey on Dec 16, 2008 5:01 PM EST reply actions  

you keep talking about that 3-2 loss to philly...

but you ignore one CRUCIAL stat…72 saves in that game.

"You do dat, you go to da box, you know, uh, two minutes by yourself, and you feel shame, you know, and then you get free."
The Left Coast Lock

by blurr1974 on Dec 16, 2008 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

You're right ...

74, but he missed the 75th in a half assed effort (that theme would obviouslyt come up at another point) that cost the Leafs the series.

It’s tough to get over that. The next game, he looked shaky too.

by KatsHockey on Dec 16, 2008 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

you're insane...

the leafs got 38 shots off…in a 6 period game, and you think eddie lost it for us…? might want to watch that game again some time and list the forwards who quit on eddie, long before he “quit” on them…

"You do dat, you go to da box, you know, uh, two minutes by yourself, and you feel shame, you know, and then you get free."
The Left Coast Lock

by blurr1974 on Dec 16, 2008 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

What?

Look at the goalies that you chose! They either didn’t come close to Eddie’s numbers or, if they even come close, they played for very good defensive teams or they didn’t play many games. Eddie played 62 and 59 games those seasons. From your list the only ones that match up are:

  • Patrick Lalime both years
  • Nikolai Khabibulin both years
  • Toskala and Nabokov in 2003-2004
  • Kevin Weekes in 2003-2004

Yeah, other teams were getting GAAs under 3 when they weren’t playing near as many games as Belfour but he was still about 3/4 of a goal a game better.

Here’s the Roenick winner. That’s an amazing shot. That’ll go in 99 times out of 100.

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by PPP on Dec 16, 2008 6:07 PM EST up reply actions  

don't forget...

the incredible distraction kapanen provided…going all wobbly legged from that tucker hit not 30 seconds before that shot…

back when Tucker was awesome…

/sigh

"You do dat, you go to da box, you know, uh, two minutes by yourself, and you feel shame, you know, and then you get free."
The Left Coast Lock

by blurr1974 on Dec 16, 2008 6:15 PM EST up reply actions  

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