Mats Sundin Signs with Vancouver Canucks
by PPP on Dec 18, 2008 6:10 PM EST
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From our friendly neighbourhood Sportsnet buddy. More to come.
MEDIA RELEASE
For Immediate Release: December 18, 2008
CANUCKS SIGN FREE AGENT CENTRE MATS SUNDIN
Vancouver, B.C. – Vancouver Canucks General Manager Mike Gillis today announced that the team has signed free agent centre Mats Sundin. In keeping with club policy, terms of the deal were not disclosed.
“We are very excited to have Mats join the Vancouver Canucks,” said Mike Gillis, Vancouver Canucks General Manager. “Playing previously in two Canadian markets and consistently being among team and League leaders in scoring, Mats has proven that he can excel under pressure. He adds a wealth of experience, leadership and skill to the Canucks.”
"I am truly excited to be joining the Canucks,” said Sundin. “Once I made the decision to return to play a few weeks ago, the Vancouver opportunity was simply the best overall fit. I want to thank Mike Gillis and the entire Canucks organization for their professionalism throughout this entire process."
Sundin, 37, joins the Canucks organization after playing over 1300 career NHL regular season games with Toronto and Quebec. In an additional 83 Stanley Cup Playoff games, he has recorded 74 points (35-39-74) and 72 penalty minutes. In 1305 regular season games, Sundin has recorded 555 goals, 766 assists, 1321 points and 1065 penalty minutes. At the conclusion of the 2007-08 season, he held the Maple Leafs franchise record for most goals (420) and points (987) in a Toronto sweater.
At the conclusion of the 2007-08 season, the 6-foot-5, 230 pounds centre ranked 22nd all-time in career goals (555), 34th all-time in career assists (766) and 30th all-time in career points (1321).
The Bromma, Sweden native has also represented his home nation in a number of international tournaments. During his international career, Sundin has won the World Championships on three occasions (1991, 1992 and 1998) and was captain of Team Sweden at the 2006 Winter Olympics, winning gold, alongside Canucks teammates, Daniel Sedin, Henrik Sedin and Mattias Ohlund.
For his accomplishments on the ice, Sundin has been selected to play in the NHL All-Star game on nine occasions (missed 2003 due to an injury). In 2002 and 2004, Sundin was named to the NHL Second All-Star Team and was named to the Olympic Tournament All-Star Team in 2002.
Sundin was selected first overall in the 1989 NHL Entry Draft by the Quebec Nordiques, becoming the first European hockey player to ever be drafted first overall.
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damn
You guys got this news fast.
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by Archimedies on Dec 18, 2008 6:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
What will the media beat into the ground now?
Shanahan’s return?
The Bertuzzi arbitration?
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by mf37 on Dec 18, 2008 6:17 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Looks like the Quinn to coach Edmonton may be the next thing to make the media chase their tails.
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by mf37 on Dec 18, 2008 6:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I hear Forsberg may come back on one foot.
by James Mirtle on Dec 18, 2008 6:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’d take a one-footed Forsberg over most of the Leafs roster.
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by mf37 on Dec 18, 2008 6:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
as long as he has that robo-foot attachement on
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 18, 2008 6:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If only Forsberg had selective vision problems. That way he might confuse the Maple Leaf for the Colorado team.
by bkblades on Dec 18, 2008 6:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If you squint Kulemin kinda looks like Wolski
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 18, 2008 6:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Though I remain somewhat still ambivalent about this signing (I do think other people really pressured Sundin not to retire, otherwise, why sign now?), the money played a big role in this decision. I’m not so sure if Stanley Cup contention was really the driving force behind Sundin signing with the Canucks, and that makes me feel a little bitter.
by bkblades on Dec 18, 2008 6:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
So
Guess it was about the money eh?
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 18, 2008 6:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
note
not actually how I feel (dont know how I feel yet) I just wanted to be the first to say it
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 18, 2008 6:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
When you look at the contract situation in New York (cap and NTCs/NMCs) I don’t know how they would have squeezed Sundin into their payroll.
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by mf37 on Dec 18, 2008 6:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sundin could have signed there for $2-million, easily, if they demoted someone like Kalinin.
by James Mirtle on Dec 18, 2008 6:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No way Sundin would play for $2M.
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by mf37 on Dec 18, 2008 6:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he could have played...
in TO for $2M, he could have played anywhere for $2M.
this was a money grab.
"You do dat, you go to da box, you know, uh, two minutes by yourself, and you feel shame, you know, and then you get free."
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by blurr1974 on Dec 18, 2008 6:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously money played a factor, but there was no way Sundin would have played for $2 million. It just wouldn’t make sense after all his agent drumming up interest and speculative money figures throughout the saga.
by bkblades on Dec 18, 2008 6:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it smacks of...
opportunism and yes, he’s earned that right, good for him.
as far as the glorious speech he gave about being part of a team and not seeing himself in anything but the Maple Leaf, well that’s just empty words, change of mind or not…
"You do dat, you go to da box, you know, uh, two minutes by yourself, and you feel shame, you know, and then you get free."
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by blurr1974 on Dec 18, 2008 6:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Probably
had alot to do with the make up of the team.
The Sedins are dream Line-mates for Sundin and who doesn’t want Luongo in net behind them?
Maybe Wellwood baked him cookies?
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 18, 2008 6:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Kyle would clearly scarf such an offering for himself.
You've had all your word nourishment for one day.
by Mattblack on Dec 18, 2008 6:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
probably posed with them just long enough for a picture to be taken to include in a card bribing Sundin to Vancouver.
Once the flash went off, half of them were down his gullet
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 18, 2008 6:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That damn Kylie-Monster
You've had all your word nourishment for one day.
by Mattblack on Dec 18, 2008 6:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
A million times
No.
You've had all your word nourishment for one day.
by Mattblack on Dec 18, 2008 6:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So, you’re saying that’s not who you were referring to as “Kylie-monster”?
by bkblades on Dec 18, 2008 6:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
She would be the Kylie-abomination.
I feel we’re moving a little off topic here though
You've had all your word nourishment for one day.
by Mattblack on Dec 18, 2008 6:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I can’t see him playing that much with the Sedins. Henrik’s a centre.
by James Mirtle on Dec 18, 2008 6:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i wonder...
if he’ll QB the powerplay from the point with them…?
"You do dat, you go to da box, you know, uh, two minutes by yourself, and you feel shame, you know, and then you get free."
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by blurr1974 on Dec 18, 2008 6:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
really?
wow…I was way off, some reason I thought they were complementary wingers.
Well. I’m an idiot
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 18, 2008 6:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No, the problem Vancouver’s always had is finding a right winger to play with them. Anson Carter was the only one who really gelled in that spot.
by James Mirtle on Dec 18, 2008 6:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Finally!
this will all be over and we won’t hear about it endlessly until the Canucks come to Toronto…after which we’ll hear about it endlessly…
"You do dat, you go to da box, you know, uh, two minutes by yourself, and you feel shame, you know, and then you get free."
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by blurr1974 on Dec 18, 2008 6:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I doubt it.
Every Sens/Habs/Oilers/Flames/Nucks fan will not be able to shut up about it for….well ever frankly
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 18, 2008 6:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that was...
sarcasm…but yes, you’re right, this won’t go away until he retires…and then it will be all about how the Leafs respond to his retirement, or his request to be traded to the contender at the deadline that is the Leafs in 2011…
how deliciously ironic that day will be..
"You do dat, you go to da box, you know, uh, two minutes by yourself, and you feel shame, you know, and then you get free."
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by blurr1974 on Dec 18, 2008 6:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope
he retires after this season and they still have the 10 mill cap hit for next year
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 18, 2008 6:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Circle February 21 on the calendar
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by mf37 on Dec 18, 2008 6:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
This sucks.
Sucks!
I’m glad I’m getting outta town on Saturday morning.
by Godd Till on Dec 18, 2008 6:29 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I’m just gonna pretend its brand new to me every time someone mentions it, getting more and more elabourate with the reaction each time.
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 18, 2008 6:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So now we can...
give Hagman the C? Yes?
"You do dat, you go to da box, you know, uh, two minutes by yourself, and you feel shame, you know, and then you get free."
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by blurr1974 on Dec 18, 2008 6:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
STAJAN!
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 18, 2008 6:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
nonsense...
his trade value’s never been higher…
"You do dat, you go to da box, you know, uh, two minutes by yourself, and you feel shame, you know, and then you get free."
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by blurr1974 on Dec 18, 2008 6:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
touche
Same with Antro and Kabby!
/waits for angry retribution
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 18, 2008 6:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m glad he chose the Canucks though I would’ve been happier if he went with the Rangers. It’s much better than playing for the Sens or Habs (regardless of the trade deadline return which frankly wasn’t even that much).
by WildWolfdog on Dec 18, 2008 6:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
If this was about money he would’ve picked the Nucks a long time ago – no need for people to drag his name through the dirt when they know it’s completely unfair considering all he’s done for Toronto. I was pissed off for a while too when I heard about what we could’ve had but in hindsight it’s not all that (though I would’ve liked to have kept the 2nd we gave up for Grabs lol).
by WildWolfdog on Dec 18, 2008 6:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Money played a part. We can’t pretend otherwise. Or else he would have picked the Rangers, a team that actually could win their conference, over the Canucks which are so overmatched in the West it’s not funny.
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by PPP on Dec 18, 2008 6:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
were...
overmatched.
i still respect the guys abilities enough to say this does change things a bit. they’re no Sharks or Wings, but they’re above middle of the pack now…
"You do dat, you go to da box, you know, uh, two minutes by yourself, and you feel shame, you know, and then you get free."
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by blurr1974 on Dec 18, 2008 6:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if he got an NTC.
If he didn’t and the Nucks trade him I will probably pee myself laughing
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 18, 2008 6:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That would be the ultimate bookend to all of this.
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by mf37 on Dec 18, 2008 6:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Right after I stab Mats.
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by PPP on Dec 18, 2008 6:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
They are not the Sharks or the Wings or even the Ducks. There is no way that they beat any of those teams.
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by PPP on Dec 18, 2008 6:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the Ducks...
i think they can beat…
on the other two, it will definitely require a complete implosion on their part…
"You do dat, you go to da box, you know, uh, two minutes by yourself, and you feel shame, you know, and then you get free."
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by blurr1974 on Dec 18, 2008 6:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What was the Canucks goal differential like before Luongo went down? Anyone know?
I get the impression the Canucks will only go as far as (a healthy) Luongo can carry them. But if Mats can be a PPG centre up front, that’s got to give them a nice bump.
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by mf37 on Dec 18, 2008 6:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it does two things...
takes the top defenders off the sedins, giving them more room to breathe (mats is used to being the focal point of the opposing D, so it’s not going to change his game)
and it gives Bobby Lou a little respite from being their only gamebreaker…
gah, i sound like eyebleaf…
"You do dat, you go to da box, you know, uh, two minutes by yourself, and you feel shame, you know, and then you get free."
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by blurr1974 on Dec 18, 2008 6:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt the NHLPA would let him sign for peanuts? Money didn’t matter imo, the Rangers wanted to have their cake and eat it too (I don’t get that saying btw … if I had a cake I’d want to eat it too LOL anyway) … they thought Sundin would love playing for them to the extent that he’d sign for waaaaaaaaay less money. I mean a prorated $4 million salary? What does that equal to at this time of the year? Something like 2.8 million?
Leaf fans would be merciless not to mention the TSM “Sundin gave the Leafs a pseudo-discount and had no loyalty he signed with the Rangers for way less than market value”. Senaturds and Have-nots would have a field day.
by WildWolfdog on Dec 18, 2008 6:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Time to give out the C
Time to forget the charade and give someone the captaincy. Cut the cord with the mercenary.
I just had to watch that tool Steve Kouleas display a complete ignorance of fandom.
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by PPP on Dec 18, 2008 6:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
HAGMAN!!!!!
in case you didn’t hear me for the past THREE MONTHS!!!!!
"You do dat, you go to da box, you know, uh, two minutes by yourself, and you feel shame, you know, and then you get free."
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by blurr1974 on Dec 18, 2008 6:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought you said Haggis.
mmm weird scottish foods
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 18, 2008 6:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
DAMMIT
now I need to move back to TO.
I’m never gonna hear the end of this.
by Karina on Dec 18, 2008 6:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I just...
he’s automatically the greatest player in Canucks history.
Good god.
My husband was joking this summer that if Mats signs in Vancouver, he’ll get me a canucks jersey with Sundin on the back.
Maybe now if we go to a game I won’t get booed for my Leafs t-shirt with Sundin’s name on the back?
by Karina on Dec 18, 2008 6:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, this is kinda funny, The greatest Leaf ever is now the Greatest Canuck ever, take that Linden lovers
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 18, 2008 6:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If we're talking about
Greatest overall player who ever suited up in the whatever-colours-they’re-using-that-week, I think you’d have to give it to Messier.
That worked well.
by Godd Till on Dec 18, 2008 6:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ok, greatest Canuck that isnt a giant bawling baby then?
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 18, 2008 6:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Or the greatest Canucks player that didn’t associate himself with Lay’s potato chips and the Pylons?
by bkblades on Dec 18, 2008 6:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That might be Pavel Bure
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by mf37 on Dec 18, 2008 6:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Cliff Ronning!
w00t!
"You do dat, you go to da box, you know, uh, two minutes by yourself, and you feel shame, you know, and then you get free."
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by blurr1974 on Dec 18, 2008 6:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Babych was awesome, and had a killer `stache.
by LeafFanInVan on Dec 18, 2008 6:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Kyle Wellwood!
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 18, 2008 6:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, what about Mark Messier?
(snickers)
by bkblades on Dec 18, 2008 6:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Greatest.Canucks.Captain.Ever
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by PPP on Dec 18, 2008 6:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If they give Sundin the C it will be awesome
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 18, 2008 6:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
they won't
this is Luongo’s team and it will stay that way.
by Karina on Dec 18, 2008 6:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Esssentially he will be. He has the most experience and expertise. Luongo is the Captain in terms of PR only. But before every game a lineup card is filled out and Loungo is not marked with an A or a C because it’s not allowed. There are certain on-ice functions that only a Captain can perform, and a goalie is not eligible so I’m guessing out of respect and sensibility, Sundin will be the Captain on the lineup sheet each game and perform the Captain’s duites while Luongo will still be the “face” of the team.
P.S. Vancouver sucks. Shame on Sundin.
by general borschevsky on Dec 18, 2008 10:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
When you factor in
international experience, I think Sundin still takes the cake.
Plus, he wins for not being an a-hole.
by Karina on Dec 18, 2008 6:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
Until today.
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by PPP on Dec 18, 2008 6:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
beat me to it...
i feel the same way. give him the A…not the C
"You do dat, you go to da box, you know, uh, two minutes by yourself, and you feel shame, you know, and then you get free."
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by blurr1974 on Dec 18, 2008 6:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
as the governator says...
come to kal-ee-four-nee-uh
"You do dat, you go to da box, you know, uh, two minutes by yourself, and you feel shame, you know, and then you get free."
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by blurr1974 on Dec 18, 2008 6:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ontario
is not much better, we have many treacherous non-sympathetics here
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 18, 2008 6:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
I head off to exercise, and all hell breaks loose.
I’m sorry, but he ruined everything by doing this. This was for money, and everything he said was a lie. I’m not saying he had to feel all lovey-dovey about the Leafs, but to say those things and then do this? He doesn’t care about us, or being a Leaf, not really, not when it comes right down to it. And now? I can’t be bothered with him. I hope they finish out of the playoffs. Or failing that, get their asses handed to them in the first round.
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by Mabel on Dec 18, 2008 6:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
nah
he’ll be hurt inside a month, he’s been out of the game too long
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 18, 2008 6:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Even if he does, he has super-human abilities to come back from injuries much faster than anticipated.
by WildWolfdog on Dec 18, 2008 6:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m just going to copy-paste my earlier comments regarding that lol.
If this was about money he would’ve picked the Nucks a long time ago – no need for people to drag his name through the dirt when they know it’s completely unfair considering all he’s done for Toronto. I was pissed off for a while too when I heard about what we could’ve had but in hindsight it’s not all that (though I would’ve liked to have kept the 2nd we gave up for Grabs lol).
I doubt the NHLPA would let him sign for peanuts? Money didn’t matter imo, the Rangers wanted to have their cake and eat it too (I don’t get that saying btw … if I had a cake I’d want to eat it too LOL anyway) … they thought Sundin would love playing for them to the extent that he’d sign for waaaaaaaaay less money. I mean a prorated $4 million salary? What does that equal to at this time of the year? Something like 2.8 million?
Leaf fans would be merciless not to mention the TSM "Sundin gave the Leafs a pseudo-discount and had no loyalty he signed with the Rangers for way less than market value". Senaturds and Have-nots would have a field day.
by WildWolfdog on Dec 18, 2008 6:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Again
If it wasn’t about money then why not sign with the team that has the best chance to make it to the Final. It’s not Vancouver.
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by PPP on Dec 18, 2008 6:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think
their chances are any worse than the Rangers. Honestly. The Rangers are playing above their heads right now.
by Karina on Dec 18, 2008 6:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Rangers
Have trouble scoring. Mats helps that a lot. They have a terrible PP. He fixes that.
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by PPP on Dec 18, 2008 6:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
but
their D is also poor. Lundqvist is keeping them in it.
The Canucks D is solid, not great, but solid, and Luongo is just as good as Lundqvist.
by Karina on Dec 18, 2008 6:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Their D is fragile as a flower. The Rangers defence is good enough. He would have made a massive difference on a team that plays in a wide open conference.
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by PPP on Dec 18, 2008 6:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Canucks are a much better defensive team than the Rangers – not just in defencemen but overall team defense. Lundqvist and Luongo are pretty much the same.
by WildWolfdog on Dec 18, 2008 6:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Will Sundin’s arrival also mean the Canucks will finally move away from their trap system? Seriously, they are one of most boring hockey teams in the NHL.
by bkblades on Dec 18, 2008 6:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
PPP I think you’re over-simplifying this.
Mats needed to sign with a team that had a shot at the post-season and had cap space. How many teams fit that description?
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by mf37 on Dec 18, 2008 6:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Plus, not to mention a lot of finagling from his agent no less either to sign with the highest offer.
by bkblades on Dec 18, 2008 6:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I read your comments
But I still don’t agree. And all he’s done for Toronto? So because he was a great captain, I have to like the fact that he bald-faced lied last summer? I don’t think so. I hold myself to higher standards, and expect better of him.
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by Mabel on Dec 18, 2008 6:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How did he lie? In this instance Berger is right – he’s still not a rental player. The only thing he hasn’t done is “went through the journey with a team from the beginning of the season”. That’s it.
And he wasn’t just our Captain, he was our best player game in game out. Even when he wasn’t getting points he drew enough attention to let our other players score. He did whatever needed to be done. The man played with a broken wrist in the playoffs for Christ sake.
by WildWolfdog on Dec 18, 2008 7:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No one is saying that this tarnishes his legacy. He will always be the best player that has ever worn the blue and white. What it has done is basically fracture his relationship with Leafs fans.
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by PPP on Dec 18, 2008 7:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not with me, these guys are all mercenaries.
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by mf37 on Dec 18, 2008 7:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not so upset with Sundin as others are, which is their right, but Sundin is one of the few that I’ve felt he wasn’t a mercenary. Sports is a funny thing sometimes. We all claim it’s just a respite from the everyday life, but we can’t help but feel an emotional attachment to certain players. Sundin to me came pretty close to being more than just a businessman. While I can’t attest he loved playing hockey simply for the game, I did get the sense he really enjoyed Toronto and being a Maple Leafs. And that’s why I can understand the visceral hatred or anger that is bound to come out. It’s not particularly rational, but it hurts nonetheless akin to a familiar friend saying, “it’s over” in not so uncertain terms.
by bkblades on Dec 18, 2008 7:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, I bear Mats no ill will whatsoever, I just am going to be having to put up with douchey canuck fans over the holidays and am not looking forward to this. Errrgh.
Woulda been nice if Mats had accepted the trade, but he didn’t have to. Case closed.
by LeafFanInVan on Dec 18, 2008 7:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No one is saying that this tarnishes his legacy
Actually, I’m saying that. I’ve been saying it all along.
Key word: tarnishes. Not “ruins”.
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by Down Goes Brown on Dec 18, 2008 10:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah...
I forgot about you ;) I don’t think it tarnishes what he did as a Leaf. I think that it ruins how fans view him as a person though.
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by PPP on Dec 18, 2008 10:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nope. Not saying I don’t think he was a great Leaf, or that I don’t think he didn’t give his all while he was here. And I don’t intend to boo him.
But he made a big deal about this team being important. And then signed somewhere else for money. You can say whatever you want, but that’s what happened.
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by Mabel on Dec 18, 2008 7:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You can support Mats, but please don’t buy this Berger “he’s not technically a rental player” routine. That’s about the dumbest thing I’ve heard Howard say, and that’s really, really saying something.
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by Down Goes Brown on Dec 18, 2008 10:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why would (or should) a decision about his livelihood take Leaf fans (or the feelings of any fan) into consideration?
Why should his once having been a Leaf have any bearing on his decision as to where to sign?
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by mf37 on Dec 18, 2008 6:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
cause
we are special and demand satisfaction!
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 18, 2008 6:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It shouldn't
It’s not that he owes us anything. It’s that he lied. Whether the list of people that he lied to includes himself or not he fucking lied to us. And we’re fans so we can be just as angry as we want.
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by PPP on Dec 18, 2008 6:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He lied? Get over it.
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by mf37 on Dec 18, 2008 6:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Get over it? No. Sorry, you might be fine with that, but I’m not. And seeing as I’m still allowed to have my own opinion, I’ll do what works for me.
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by Mabel on Dec 18, 2008 7:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Come on
“I don’t want to leave Toronto.”
“I want to win a Stanley Cup in Toronto.”
“I want to retire a Maple Leaf.”
Explain why those statements should be ignored by fans?
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by PPP on Dec 18, 2008 7:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I want to retire a Maple Leaf too but unfortunately I don’t think that’s in the cards :(
by LeafFanInVan on Dec 18, 2008 7:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He NEVER wanted to leave and if it was upto him he still WOULD be a Leaf. The offer from Toronto to be “willing” to take Sundin back in the off season was just bullshit. Is that why they traded his rights to the Habs?
by WildWolfdog on Dec 18, 2008 7:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It is the lying that bugs me. Sign wherever you want, do what you want, you owe me nothing. But tell me one thing, then turn and do something clearly contrary? That’s douchey and disrespectful. And that’s what I don’t like. If he hadn’t made that impassioned speech about being a Leaf forever, then this would all be fine.
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by Mabel on Dec 18, 2008 7:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What was the lie again? That he didn’t want to be a rental player?
If he signed a two-year deal, he’s no rental.
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by mf37 on Dec 18, 2008 7:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s going to be a one-year deal according to Kypreos which, you should take with a grain of salt.
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by PPP on Dec 18, 2008 7:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Even if it’s a one year deal he’s not a rental. Sakic does the same thing, is he a rental? I think Chelios does the same thing, is he a rental?
by WildWolfdog on Dec 18, 2008 7:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Circumstances
There is a big difference between re-signing on a one-year deal with the team you have just spent years with when you are 46 and aren’t sure if you want to burden them with a long-term cap hit and signing on with a new team after 32 games.
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by PPP on Dec 18, 2008 7:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
To be fair, I don’t think Sundin ever made an impassioned plea that he would be a Leaf forever. Off the top of my head, no Leaf in current history has ever said they were a Leaf for life when the writing was on wall.
by bkblades on Dec 18, 2008 7:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’d just like to know where all this anger is whenever a GM says a coach is safe (and then bags him in a week)? Or an owner says he’s standing by his club and then clears house.
Where’s the anger when a GM says he won’t trade player X, and then deals player X?
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by mf37 on Dec 18, 2008 7:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Has it happened lately with the Leafs?
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by PPP on Dec 18, 2008 7:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How about this one:
My plan is to build from within.
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by mf37 on Dec 18, 2008 7:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Or this one
The Leafs will engage in a build not buy approach
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by mf37 on Dec 18, 2008 7:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And where is the love for John Ferguson?
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by PPP on Dec 18, 2008 7:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My point is no one was shaking in anger or throwing around the word liar.
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by mf37 on Dec 18, 2008 7:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How did he lie?
He said he loves Toronto – was that a lie? No. He said he wanted to be a Leaf until he retired – was that a lie? No, the Leafs didn’t want him back. Is he a rental player right now? – No.
The only thing that changed was that he wanted to be there from the start but joined 3 months into the season. I’m sure he will still have a NTC and he still won’t waive it even if he gets asked.
by WildWolfdog on Dec 18, 2008 7:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sportsnet is reporting that it’s a one-year deal so yeah, that’s a rental.
And Sundin could have signed anytime since Fletcher was hired and he didn’t so how has he not gone back on his word?
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by PPP on Dec 18, 2008 7:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not being a smartass, but I really don’t understand your second sentence about Fletcher…sorry for missing your point, can you clarify?
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by mf37 on Dec 18, 2008 7:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Under Fletcher, Sundin could have signed with the Leafs and ended his career as a Leaf like he wanted. Or he could have not signed with anyone and retired a Leaf like he said he wanted.
He did neither and instead he’ll retire as a Canuck and is jersey can be put in photo galleries along Bobby Orr’s Blackhawks jersey, Lafleur as a Ranger, and Bourque as an Avalanche.
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by PPP on Dec 18, 2008 7:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Got it now (didn’t mean to be a dumb guy) – thanks.
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by mf37 on Dec 18, 2008 7:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
lol
I know you’re not dumb.
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by PPP on Dec 18, 2008 7:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Leafs didn’t want him back, it was pretty obvious.
by WildWolfdog on Dec 18, 2008 7:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What made it obvious?
Fletcher’s repeated meetings with Sundin?
The fact that he kept giving him updates throughout the off-season?
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by PPP on Dec 18, 2008 7:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s like running into an ex at a restaurant when she’s out with someone else and out of politeness she or her date asks you to take a seat. They don’t want you there and now you don’t really want to be there either.
by WildWolfdog on Dec 18, 2008 7:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nope
It’s more like your fiancee keeps telling you about her plans for the wedding and then you elope with some crackwhore.
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by PPP on Dec 18, 2008 7:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If we’re keeping with this comparison, Sundin was an UFA, so he wasn’t exactly “tied” down to a commitment.
by bkblades on Dec 18, 2008 7:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, it was an arranged marriage then?
Either way, I can’t reach the knife in my back, can you help me out?
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by PPP on Dec 18, 2008 7:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Is this the knife you were stabbing Sundin with?
by bkblades on Dec 18, 2008 7:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No seriously though, the Leafs tried to trade him at the deadline even when he stated about a million times he didn’t want to be traded. Then it was “leaked” what the potential deal was and the public started turning on him. Then you add the fact that the Leafs traded his rights to their old bitter rivals of all teams??? Is that an indication they want you back if they’re willing to trade you to a team you’re supposed to hate (though Sens should come first).
by WildWolfdog on Dec 18, 2008 7:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s Fletcher’s duty to do what was best for the team just like it was Mats’ duty to do what was best for him and his bank account and just like it’s my duty to hate people that hurt my team.
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by PPP on Dec 18, 2008 7:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Mats could’ve made a ton of money signing with Toronto – they were offering $7 million a year weren’t they? If he was about the money he could’ve signed right away – especially since it was 7 million over 2 years.
If he was about the money he wouldn’t have donated all the proceeds from his poker sponsorship to charity.
by WildWolfdog on Dec 18, 2008 7:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’d love for PPP to run a poll asking what the ideal destination for Mats would have been.
Personally, I didn’t want him back with the Leafs as this team needs to play the kids and work towards getting a top draft pick. With Mats in the lineup that’s 20 minutes of ice a night that’s not going into player development and it’s also likely 10 more points in the standings so the Leafs can draft 11th overall again.
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by mf37 on Dec 18, 2008 7:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just to be a douche, 11th place in the draft this year wouldn’t be such a bad proposition in this year’s draft if going by the scouting reports and such.
by bkblades on Dec 18, 2008 7:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Baltic Sea
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by PPP on Dec 18, 2008 7:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s your poll, I can imagine some pretty creative destinations being offered…
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by mf37 on Dec 18, 2008 7:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly. A lot of fans will say they’re hurt but they didn’t really want him back. If he had signed in Toronto a ton of people would be whining about how he’s useless and “we don’t want him should’ve gone somewhere else we’ve moved on” and bitch and moan about how he’s costing us a high draft pick.
by WildWolfdog on Dec 18, 2008 7:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was in a meeting and just found out.
I has a sad. :(
by LeafFanInVan on Dec 18, 2008 6:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I has a rage.
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by PPP on Dec 18, 2008 6:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m in shock or something, I litterally feel nothing at all.
I’m sure the first time an opposing fan rubs it in my face i will loose my shit though
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 18, 2008 6:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I am shaking
literally.
Why did I have to marry a canucks fan??
by Karina on Dec 18, 2008 6:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you poor poor soul
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 18, 2008 6:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i has relief...
for a multitude of reasons…also that this is finally over.
strangely, i feel euphoric.
the leafs are OFFICIALLY not Mats’ team. Moving on…
"You do dat, you go to da box, you know, uh, two minutes by yourself, and you feel shame, you know, and then you get free."
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by blurr1974 on Dec 18, 2008 6:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
We can finally get out from this shadow.
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by PPP on Dec 18, 2008 6:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
bring in the era of the HAGMAN!
set loose the Viking! Behold the Man-Grabs-Lemon! Wonder at the Vesa and his tidy crease!
"You do dat, you go to da box, you know, uh, two minutes by yourself, and you feel shame, you know, and then you get free."
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by blurr1974 on Dec 18, 2008 6:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We are freeeeeeeeeeeeee!
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 18, 2008 6:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yes...
feels good don’t it!?!?
"You do dat, you go to da box, you know, uh, two minutes by yourself, and you feel shame, you know, and then you get free."
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by blurr1974 on Dec 18, 2008 6:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
still numb
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 18, 2008 6:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It does
No more hedging: I hate Mats Sundin.
I feel free as a bird.
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by PPP on Dec 18, 2008 6:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and...
you love Hagman….say it…
“I, PPP, of sound mind and body ♥ Hagman with every fiber of my being.”
"You do dat, you go to da box, you know, uh, two minutes by yourself, and you feel shame, you know, and then you get free."
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by blurr1974 on Dec 18, 2008 6:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure
When you spell fibre correctly ;)
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by PPP on Dec 18, 2008 6:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You sir…are a poopy pants.
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by blurr1974 on Dec 18, 2008 6:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Technically
Aren’t Vikings Swedish? As such, the only Viking is Magnus Svensson-Paajarvi.
by bkblades on Dec 18, 2008 6:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
BLASPHAMY!
Frogren will smite you!
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 18, 2008 6:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that's the viking...
of whom i speak
"You do dat, you go to da box, you know, uh, two minutes by yourself, and you feel shame, you know, and then you get free."
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by blurr1974 on Dec 18, 2008 8:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Vikings are Danish
And they had all of the Nordic area under their thumbs.
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by PPP on Dec 18, 2008 6:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Didn’t some of them come to Canada? I say everyone’s a viking some way or another.
by bkblades on Dec 18, 2008 7:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he cant help it
he is trapped in the Americas
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 18, 2008 6:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm glad it is over too
but I’m just so disappointed. I expected better of him. And he let me down. It is going to be a long while before I’ll be able to look back on him with fondness. He pretended he cared, then went for the bucks, mid-season.
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by Mabel on Dec 18, 2008 6:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Antro for Captain
Also, game thread is up in case you want to mulitask:
http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2008/12/18/697068/your-toronto-maple-leafs-a
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by PPP on Dec 18, 2008 6:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
What...?
his trade value has never been higher?
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by blurr1974 on Dec 18, 2008 6:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Which means Hagman will be traded next season. No reason to give him the captaincy. :P
by bkblades on Dec 18, 2008 6:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i'm not a violent person...
but i will kill you…
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by blurr1974 on Dec 18, 2008 6:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
jk...
maybe :P
"You do dat, you go to da box, you know, uh, two minutes by yourself, and you feel shame, you know, and then you get free."
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by blurr1974 on Dec 18, 2008 6:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure
But you want to trade Antro? I am not kidding. I will hunt your ass down!
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by PPP on Dec 18, 2008 6:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hunt...?
who’s hiding? bring it Hagman hater…i will shoot you in the FACE!
Ok, now i’m scaring myself…
bring on the Bruins!
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by blurr1974 on Dec 18, 2008 6:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
SHOOT THE BRUINS!
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 18, 2008 6:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No
He is a known quantity for the Leafs. He will not fetch anything of value from other teams. I can almost guarantee it. Add together the fact that he is a Leaf and his injury history and nothing close to fair value is coming Toronto’s way.
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by PPP on Dec 18, 2008 6:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The only good thing...
is the possibility of my wish for the Canucks to trade for Kaberle, and give us Ohlund and Hodgson. Tomas’ll waive his NTC to play with Mats.
by Karina on Dec 18, 2008 6:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
hmmm
this I like.
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 18, 2008 6:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ohlund is a big lamewad who is nearly as blind as berard without the excuse of hossa carving his eye out.
by LeafFanInVan on Dec 18, 2008 6:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
sub Ohlund for Bieska
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 18, 2008 6:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How about Cory Schneider? I say let’s desecrate the Canucks prospect pool. It’s only fair for Sundin.
by bkblades on Dec 18, 2008 6:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no no no
this deal only nets you a top prospect because Ohlund is a free agent.
I wouldn’t mind Schneider either. Although I haven’t been impressed with his play for the canucks this season.
by Karina on Dec 18, 2008 6:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
BE
ES
KA!
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 18, 2008 6:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Insert Pogge
And you pretty much nailed our dilemma as well.
by bkblades on Dec 18, 2008 6:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh well
I can now start my new career of stalking Mats within Vancouver.
by Karina on Dec 18, 2008 6:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Too bad
Mats will only be able to afford a 3 bedroom bungalow in kits with his 10mil/year salary :(
by LeafFanInVan on Dec 18, 2008 6:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i posted in mirtle thread by mistake
www.hockeyfights.com
by Cat Smasher on Dec 18, 2008 6:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
hahaha
Well, you found us now :)
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by PPP on Dec 18, 2008 6:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow,
I leave work and this gets announced. Not fair..
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by JohnnyG on Dec 18, 2008 6:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
i'm out...
c-ya in the game thread..
tweet tweet my lovelies….we’re free at last, thank Hagman almighty, free at last.
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by blurr1974 on Dec 18, 2008 6:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I’m gonna have to watch this game on mute because they are literally gonna mention Sunidn every 5 seconeds
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 18, 2008 6:58 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I've said before
MAts can do what he wants.
However, he did chase the $$$ here, I think. And as a Leafs fan living in Vancouver, I am pissed. Not as much as Mats (though I am a bit pissed at Mats) but the situation.
by Godd Till on Dec 18, 2008 6:58 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know what to do, how to deal with this.. And imagine in the improbable event they do take it to the cup final..
No, that’s crazy talk. Even with Sundin and a healthy Luongo there is no way the canucks are getting out of the west without some really weird shenanigans going on..
by LeafFanInVan on Dec 18, 2008 7:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What a joke. I know I’m probably reiterating what everyone else has said, but that’s pretty low class to reject a trade last year at the deadline. If he loves the Leafs so much (like he said), why not help out the franchise.
I hope he puts up 3 G 6 A the rest of the way.
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by Mr. Plank on Dec 18, 2008 7:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Again, I don’t think Sundin ever said he “loves” the Leafs and will do everything to help the franchise out. I know he said he doesn’t want to a rental, but I’m not quite sure he said being a “Leaf for Life” was his wish.
by bkblades on Dec 18, 2008 7:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The massive sun front page
With ‘no matter what happens, I’m a Torontonian’ Kim and I used to have is ringing pretty hollow right now.
by Godd Till on Dec 18, 2008 7:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Again, he can still consider himself “Torontonian”, just that he plays for another team. Ray Bourque, despite winning Stanley with the Avalanche still considers himself a Boston Bruin, does he not?
by bkblades on Dec 18, 2008 7:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, and the boston fans still love the guy. Rightfully so!
by LeafFanInVan on Dec 18, 2008 7:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
GODDAMMIT I DON'T FEEL LIKE BEING RATIONAL RIGHT NOW
by Godd Till on Dec 18, 2008 7:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn’t expect you to be rational. I don’t blame you at all. After all, anyone who equates the new G ‘n’ R album among their best work isn’t all that rational in the first place.
(kidding!) It’s tough to be a Leafs fan….everyday.
by bkblades on Dec 18, 2008 7:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I never said that
I just said I really enjoyed it. It’s nowhere close to Appetite.
by Godd Till on Dec 18, 2008 7:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh I was busting your chops Godd. I’m not sure if anyone can ever make that claim.
by bkblades on Dec 18, 2008 7:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
MY CHOPS ARE ALREADY BUSTED WIDE OPEN
AAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
by Godd Till on Dec 18, 2008 7:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps it’s all a massive ruse to shaft the Canucks. Yeah, I’ll believe that.. He’s an inside man!
by LeafFanInVan on Dec 18, 2008 7:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hm. After all this, we signed with a fifth place team.
Weird.
Ah well. Best of luck to him.
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by Down Goes Brown on Dec 18, 2008 7:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
with Sundin
they’ll win the division. They are much better than Calgary, who is the division leader now. So it’ll be a min 3rd place team come playoffs.
by Karina on Dec 18, 2008 7:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
PPP is right
I loved Mats with all my heart when he was here. I believed him when he justified his actions at the deadline. Why shouldn’t have I? He had been nothing but true to his words during his tenure.
But there’s no denying it… Sundin proved to be a hypocritical money-grabber, at least in this instance.
by AlecB on Dec 18, 2008 7:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
my only issue with that
is that Burke made it clear that he wasn’t going to make Mats a Leaf. At that point, I think he’s clear to sign wherever he wants.
by Karina on Dec 18, 2008 7:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No, Burke made it clear that based on what Mats was saying after he had both turned down a trade at the deadline and hadn’t signed under Fletcher that the Leafs didn’t seem to be an option.
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by PPP on Dec 18, 2008 7:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Moot point
It was supposed to be about winning a Cup. I know with Luongo anything is possible but the Rangers are a better bet to come out of the weaker conference.
by Godd Till on Dec 18, 2008 7:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Rangers v. Nucks is a push
I still think this came down to lack of choices: not many playoff teams have room under the cap for a player like Sundin.
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by mf37 on Dec 18, 2008 7:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Canucks offence
Is way above their head right now. I don’t see them being 8th in league scoring going forward. IIRC Mirlte showed they’ve been one of the luckiest teams in the league this season.
by Godd Till on Dec 18, 2008 7:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
When Wellwood is your offensive leader you know something’s wrong.. And that it can’t last forever!
by LeafFanInVan on Dec 18, 2008 7:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And the rangers stink at 5 on 5 hockey, having padded the W column with shoot-out and OT wins.
From the New York Times:
the Rangers. The N.H.L. tells us they’re 20-11-2. Wow, that sounds good — 20 wins, 11 losses, and 2 "OTL," which seems like ties or kind-of ties. They’re a powerhouse, and Rangers fans should be really happy! The reality, of course, is that 9 of those 20 wins came via overtime or penalty shootout, and those 2 "ties" are actually losses in OT or PS. And, you know, in the playoffs there is no four-on-four overtime or penalty-shot contest … just hockey, with five skaters a side and no guaranteed points for being tied after 60 minutes. So the Rangers, when playing actual hockey during the 60 minutes of five-on-five with no points guaranteed for making it to overtime, have really won 11, lost 11 and tied 11. Hey, Scott Howson, isn’t that mediocrity? Yes, it is — and anyone who’s watched the Rangers will tell you that’s a far better reflection of reality than their official record, inflated as it is by their luckiness in penalty-shot contests this year.
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by mf37 on Dec 18, 2008 7:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
OK, good point
but it’s easier to come outta the East than go through DET and SJ.
by Godd Till on Dec 18, 2008 7:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps
now we can trade toskala’s groin for a transplant into luongo’s. Sounds like his is pretty broke, so it’s not all bad!
by LeafFanInVan on Dec 18, 2008 7:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Hall of Fame credentials
The complaint with Sundin as an all-time great was that he didn’t post the mind-boggling stats like other superstars when he was with the Leafs. Whether it was due to lack of teammates, lack of ice time, etc. I am curious what sort of stats Sundin will put up with the Canucks. If he posts better than a PPG rate, will that eliminate any doubt about his credentials as a hall of fame hockey player?
by bkblades on Dec 18, 2008 7:17 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
the biggest strike
Was that he was a Leaf.
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by PPP on Dec 18, 2008 7:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
PPP
I know you follow football (as I’m sure others do here as well, or at least should)
This happens all the time in football(Soccer)…. players get pissed off at their clubs and say “fine, I’m walking for free” instead of agreeing to move to a new club through a transfer.
Could Sundin have been so heart broken by the demand that he waive his NTC to leave his career-long club that he decided to walk, and use his rental player excuse as a way of justifying himself?
by AlecB on Dec 18, 2008 7:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Meanwhile in Boston
It’s 2-0 Bruins and Toskala’s already been given the hook.
If only the Leafs had Mats to jump start that offense.
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by mf37 on Dec 18, 2008 7:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I don't even care
that there’s a game…
I wanna go home and pretend none of this ever happened.
Except I know I’ll wake up in the morning and it’ll be on the front page.
-cry-
by Karina on Dec 18, 2008 7:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it’ll be on the province front page sports every day for the next month or so
by LeafFanInVan on Dec 18, 2008 7:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sadly yes. Sturm scored 36 seconds in.
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by mf37 on Dec 18, 2008 7:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I bet a few years from now in some interview it will be revealed that Fletcher and Mats decided it would be best for the Leafs and Sundin to go in a different direction – and that Fletcher asked Mats to take the hit and he did because he knew it was best for the Leafs.
by WildWolfdog on Dec 18, 2008 7:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Doubt it
What is gained by hiding that?
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by PPP on Dec 18, 2008 7:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Also
Fletcher orchestrated 9/11, if we’re going with the wacky conspiracy theory crap.
by LeafFanInVan on Dec 18, 2008 7:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sacrificing himself for the good of the nation :hand:
by WildWolfdog on Dec 18, 2008 7:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Leafs get a higher draft pick, a lot of cap space and the organization and city doesn’t seem classless for driving yet another superstar future hall of famer out of the team.
by WildWolfdog on Dec 18, 2008 7:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What good is cap space in a rebuild?
How did the city drive another superstar future hall of famer out of the team?
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by PPP on Dec 18, 2008 7:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Cap space might be good if the Leafs can take some deadwood on and get picks/prospects in return for doing so. It might also be very important if the cap contracts as much as some have suggested it might.
As for the second assertion, I need more clarification…
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by mf37 on Dec 18, 2008 7:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well, we’ll find out pretty soon won’t we? lol.
by WildWolfdog on Dec 18, 2008 9:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Or just maybe we find out that Sundin suffered an aneurysm and the Vancouver Canucks were his treatment. No sudden movements or exciting play to negatively affect his health.
by bkblades on Dec 18, 2008 7:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would just like to say...
…that if I’m the one who’s drawn in the Christmas contest, you might want to pretend I wasn’t and pick someone else, because I promise you that I will use my first prize Sundin jersey as kindling the next time I start a fire in my fireplace. Or maybe I’ll burn it publicly in Maple Leaf Square. Suffice it to say it will not survive long, so if it means a lot to you, then don’t give it to me. I’ll gladly take the second place Wendel bobblehead.
by Wendel's Moustache on Dec 18, 2008 8:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
hahaha
We’ll keep that in mind. Top winner gets to choose what they want. I guess that jersey just became the booby prize.
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by PPP on Dec 18, 2008 8:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What Stanley Cup contender?
If Sundin wanted to go to a Stanley Cup contender, there’s only one thing I must tell him: “You’re going the wrong way!!”
What a bunc h of hooey! He was after the money. Now, don’t get me wrong, money is great and must be appreciated, but quit the stupid double-face talk.
Anyhow, this guy’s ending his career with no Stanley Cup. Vancouver? In his dreams!
by leosc on Dec 18, 2008 9:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It wasn't the money
I’ve been as anti-Sundin as anyone since February (OK, PPP may have me beat), but enough with the “he went for the money” storyline.
If it was about the money, he would have signed on July 1. Or Sept 1, at the very least. By signing with Vancouver now instead of then, he left about $4M on the table.
It wasn’t about the money. I have no idea what it was about, but it wasn’t money.
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by Down Goes Brown on Dec 18, 2008 10:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Well, it wasn't for the chance at winning either.
Once he made his decision to return (whcih i don’t think he really made until recently) he went to the place that offered him the most money. Was it the only consideration? No but it played a part.
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by PPP on Dec 18, 2008 10:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if there were any teams other than New York and Vancouver even in the running.
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by mf37 on Dec 19, 2008 12:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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