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The Leafs may have played in Boston last night, but that messy game isn't what Leaf fans are writing about this morning. No, the big news is Mats Sundin finally made a decision and signed a one-year deal with the Canucks.

The reaction from Leafs Nation runs the gamut from Anger to indifference.

Not since two Star Trek fans were nominated for a Hugo Award in 1974, shocking the science fiction community and leading to the creation of stand-alone Star Trek conventions, has a nation been so divided.

After the jump, a true From the Branches (FTB) update as we take the temperature of Leaf fans...

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Here's the reaction from Leaf blogs:

From Vancover (which seems to be a little hung-over after the Linden ceremony; so many blogs, so few aware of the Mats signing. I'm sure this will be added to throughout the day as the West Coast wakes up)

From the Rangers:

And the take from the neutral corner:

 Sure to updated throughout the day...hit us up if we missed one or if you want to talk about last night's game. Anyone think it was Cujo's last as game as a Leaf - be interesting and somewhat fitting if he and Mats had things come to an end on the same day...

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Because Taking The Leafs Seriously Is Not An Option

by JaredFromLondon on Dec 19, 2008 9:05 AM EST reply actions  

Thanks (and sorry about that) I’ve updated the list.

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by mf37 on Dec 19, 2008 9:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Its about the money

That’s why he went to Vancouver, if he wanted to win, he would’ve gone to the Rangers.

One could also argue though that he did not want to risk running into the Leafs into the playoffs if they made it if he signed with the Rangers, because he couldn’t bear the thought of playing against the Leafs in a playoffs situation, but that is just me.

Either way, I hold no ill will and wish him the best, as far as I’m concerned, the man earned his NTC and there is nothing wrong with him refusing to waive it. Did he screw the Leafs? Possibly, but by extension it was the Leafs who gave him the NTC and it could be argued that it was the Leafs who screwed themselves.

Anyway it’s done so that’s that.

"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)

by Winkle on Dec 19, 2008 9:22 AM EST reply actions  

If it’s about the money, why did he settle for $5M when the Canucks offered him $20M?

The Rangers have no cap space, Mats said he didn’t want players waived to make rooom for him, no trades are allowed until December 27 (and it’s hard enough to trade a player carrying any salary withouth taking the same amount of salary back in return) so how on earth were the Rangers going to sign him?

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by mf37 on Dec 19, 2008 9:26 AM EST up reply actions  

whats the term of the contract he signed?

I know the Canucks offered him 20 mil over 2 years right, is that what he signed?

"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)

by Winkle on Dec 19, 2008 9:30 AM EST up reply actions  

well, he is playing half a season, 5 is half of 10 and its a one year deal.
He probably wants to “decide” again over the summer

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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 19, 2008 9:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Where else was he going to sign? Is there another team with a shot at the playoffs that has cap space?

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by mf37 on Dec 19, 2008 9:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Personally

I think he wants to go back to the Leafs, if nothing else he would like top open himself to one of those retirement contracts where he officially signs with the team for like a dollar and then retires so he can retire as a Leaf.

"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)

by Winkle on Dec 19, 2008 9:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Montreal...

I know as Leaf fans it hurts to say it. But the Habs have a far better chance of going the distance than the Canucks do.

The Canucks have a far better chance today than they did yesterday, thanks to Mats signing there. However, had he signed in Montreal, everyone would be talking about the world beater the Habs had just become.

Yes, it feels dirty to say all that…

"You do dat, you go to da box, you know, uh, two minutes by yourself, and you feel shame, you know, and then you get free."
The Left Coast Lock

by blurr1974 on Dec 19, 2008 10:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Nucks

are going nowhere

"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)

by Winkle on Dec 19, 2008 10:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Do you mean Montreal prior to signing Lang or Montreal now?

The Habs are right up against the cap ($54 to $55 million depending on the source). I have no idea how they’d free up $3M to sign Mats.

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by mf37 on Dec 19, 2008 10:09 AM EST up reply actions  

prior to Lang...

i’m not surprised they’re leveling off, but i don’t see them nosediving. With Mats as part of that team, the size he’d give them down the middle and in the top 6…? Fuhgetaboutit…

"You do dat, you go to da box, you know, uh, two minutes by yourself, and you feel shame, you know, and then you get free."
The Left Coast Lock

by blurr1974 on Dec 19, 2008 10:14 AM EST up reply actions  

I am fairly certain

Its a one year deal for 10 mil, He gets paid the 10 mil

And its the cap that counts as the pro-rated smaller part.

I believe in Karma. That means I can do bad things to people all day long and I assume they deserve it. - Dogbert

by JohnnyG on Dec 19, 2008 9:48 AM EST up reply actions  

that makes sense too.
I hope he takes those Nuckle heads for every penny he can.

Because Taking The Leafs Seriously Is Not An Option

by JaredFromLondon on Dec 19, 2008 9:48 AM EST up reply actions  

I think that he wasn’t sure about coming back until very recently but as soon as he knew he chose the biggest offer. Whether that’s for ego as I think Dreger suggested (apparently Mats wasn’t too impressed with taking a hometown discount last year) or just needing the money (I loved the joke about his new poker addiction) he didn’t choose a team based on their chance to win because the Canucks are still the same flawed team that they were before.

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by PPP on Dec 19, 2008 9:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Totally agree with PPP’s post. It’s not about the money in that Mats didn’t sign the huge contracts that were offered earlier this year, but it is about the money in that he didn’t significantly discount his services to land with a cup favourite.

As for the money itself, there doesn’t seem to be a hard number out there for his salary, but as it’s a one-year deal his salary will be his cap hit (they can’t pay him $10M and only get saddled with $5M on their cap).

The Vancouver press has Mats signing a deal worth $9M that translates into a pay day between $5 and $6M for his half-season.

NHLSCAP puts the cap hit at a $7M, TSN says it will be between $5 and $6M and NHL Numbers (usually the best source IMHO) doesn’t even have Mats on the Canucks yet.

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by mf37 on Dec 19, 2008 9:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Hmm

The cap is really a tricky thing to work out.

Guess I was wrong on the 10mil thing.

I believe in Karma. That means I can do bad things to people all day long and I assume they deserve it. - Dogbert

by JohnnyG on Dec 19, 2008 10:01 AM EST up reply actions  

We can analysis it all we want

The only one who knows for sure if its about the money or not is Mats himself.

I’m just glad its over with and we can finally get on with our lives.

"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)

by Winkle on Dec 19, 2008 10:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Bullshit

the Rangers are not nearly as good as their record. He picked money and a chance of winning. The only teams where he could’ve gone that have more hope than the Canucks are Detroit, San Jose, Pittsburg and Boston. And that wasn’t happening.

Still. Not here. I really didn’t want it to be here.

by Karina on Dec 19, 2008 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Poor Karina...

i’m sorry. and your hubby’s a ’nucks fan to boot…

we west coasters gotta stick together to get through this. It’s easier on the east coast, because they all go to bed when the games start out here. I have no idea what i’m going to do on saturday nights when the canucks are on HNIC…

"You do dat, you go to da box, you know, uh, two minutes by yourself, and you feel shame, you know, and then you get free."
The Left Coast Lock

by blurr1974 on Dec 19, 2008 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I know what I'll be doing

wearing my Leafs shirt with Sundin on the back.

Last night was quite the night of self revelation. I realized that to me, Sundin has epitomized the Leafs, and now I can’t deal with him being on another team and in my face every day. And then I realized that now that he’s gone and I will try to let go, Tomas Kaberle is my favourite leaf and I will soon have to let him go too. DAMMIT!

But I do hope that Sundin wins the cup here. I can handle the taunts of Canucks fans if he succeeds – then I will know that the only way they got their championship was with the heart and soul of the Leafs.

But if he blows it, everyone will rag on him for being a leaf, and claim that he was overrated simply because he played in Toronto. And I will go mad.

by Karina on Dec 19, 2008 12:12 PM EST up reply actions  

i wish i felt that way...

but i’m not there yet

"You do dat, you go to da box, you know, uh, two minutes by yourself, and you feel shame, you know, and then you get free."
The Left Coast Lock

by blurr1974 on Dec 19, 2008 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

thats one reason why I want Sundin to absolutly tear shit up in Vancouver. They’ll have to shut up about him being over rated.
Then when they fail with epicness we can make fun of them for having a team that couldn’t keep up with Sundin

Because Taking The Leafs Seriously Is Not An Option

by JaredFromLondon on Dec 19, 2008 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

The Rangers are not nearly as good as their record because they have an abysmal powerplay and a sputtering offence, two problems that Sundin would help address.

Lundqvist and their defence matchup very very well with Luongo and his crew.

I would take Drury, Gomez, Naslund, and Zherdev over the Sedins, Wellwood, and Demitra.

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by PPP on Dec 19, 2008 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

but if Sundin went to NY he would have had to take a massive pay cut and wouldn’t be overpaid, he wouldn’t fit in at all

Because Taking The Leafs Seriously Is Not An Option

by JaredFromLondon on Dec 19, 2008 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

AND...

the one thing no one’s touched on yet…

his jersey # was already taken in NYR…

"You do dat, you go to da box, you know, uh, two minutes by yourself, and you feel shame, you know, and then you get free."
The Left Coast Lock

by blurr1974 on Dec 19, 2008 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

The Rangers D is not very good actually. Lundqvist makes them look alot better than they really are. I mean, Wade Redden is the anchor.

by Darryl Sittler's 10 Pt Night on Dec 19, 2008 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Drury's the best of those eight

But I’d take the Sedins next. And I’d be tempted to put Ryan Kesler just after Zherdev – I assume Wellwood’s only on your list because he’s been a topic of conversation. He’ll do well to stay out of the minors.

On the other side, I think Gomez is overrated (although I may be the only one), Naslund is just about done and while Zherdev’s been great, who would be surprised if he went back into the tank?

More importantly, I’d take Ohlund, Bieksa, Mitchell and Salo over Redden, Roszival, Mara and Girardi. I’d have taken the Rangers first at the start of the season (in fact, I did, choosing Lundqvist over Luongo in my pool) but the hot start by the Canucks has me thinking it’s at least a tough call. They’ll need some real injury luck, but if they get it they might be a contender.

I've been looking at the sky

by Back In Black on Dec 19, 2008 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

It's not the money

He left a ton of it on the table by waffling all season. If it was only about the dollars, he’d have signed July 1.

So what is it about? No idea with this guy…

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by Down Goes Brown on Dec 19, 2008 10:04 AM EST reply actions  

It's not winning

Or he would have signed with one of the Western juggernauts in the summer (again, if he even knew he wanted to play).

Basically, I just feel numb. I was too young to really remember my reaction to the Wendel trade that well (other than the hot salty tears) but I feel like I just found out that I’ve been cheated on.

Thank God Santa is real….

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by PPP on Dec 19, 2008 10:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Be grateful you're too young to remember..

…MacDonald being traded, Sittler’s exile, Palmateer being shown the door, Vaive’s meltdown (stripped of the C for being late to practice, traded for spare parts), Dougie playing his way off the team, etc.

Bitter Leaf Fan: a life-long Toronto Maple Leafs fan comments on the team, the media and the exasperation...

by mf37 on Dec 19, 2008 10:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Burke at work

I am of the bent that Mats did the job he was paid to do, and through a series of intentional choices and unfortunate events, ended up going to another team. This is not new in pro sports, and certainly not unknown in Leaf history. Sure, I’m not happy about it, but there is little we can do about it now. But from all this, I saw something very positive that makes this time a little different. Burke made a statement that essentially takes the heat off Mats for his decision to play elsewhere. Whether it is true or not is not the issue. But what he has done is a classy move that makes a break with previous company policy of vilifying former Leaf captains when they don’t toe the company line. And for this I am am at once quite happy and optimistic.

by blue with age on Dec 19, 2008 10:11 AM EST reply actions  

Great Point

As much as people want to put some blame on Fletcher and Burke and say that they made it clear that Mats wasn’t welcome they just did their job. They could have made very strong statements about his status that would have led to him being villified as a result of their actions as opposed to organically because we are fans.

Pension Plan Puppets: A Toronto Maple Leafs blog and a group therapy session.

by PPP on Dec 19, 2008 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

A christmas gift

to help you get over your sadness, here’s something to focus our attention

by blue with age on Dec 19, 2008 10:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Geez

I’ll be happy when I hear “Toronto Maple Leafs are the world champions” live.

Pension Plan Puppets: A Toronto Maple Leafs blog and a group therapy session.

by PPP on Dec 19, 2008 10:27 AM EST up reply actions  

wow...

i’m still strolling through the blog roll up there, but gang, some great writing today.

I’m not gonna pick a fave, but Wrap had to go all High Fidelity on me, and that pretty much seals the deal. Also, Cusack nails how I’m feeling this morning…

“I don’t wanna hear old sad bastard music Barry, I just want something I can ignore.”

"You do dat, you go to da box, you know, uh, two minutes by yourself, and you feel shame, you know, and then you get free."
The Left Coast Lock

by blurr1974 on Dec 19, 2008 10:23 AM EST reply actions  

That is a really good line. I just want the next game to come…

Pension Plan Puppets: A Toronto Maple Leafs blog and a group therapy session.

by PPP on Dec 19, 2008 10:27 AM EST up reply actions  

The good news: another game is on the way

The bad news: it’s Pittsburgh

Bitter Leaf Fan: a life-long Toronto Maple Leafs fan comments on the team, the media and the exasperation...

by mf37 on Dec 19, 2008 10:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Good!

Because quite possibility the most skilled Leaf ever just signed somewhere else, and were I living in the GTA I imagine my head would explode from what must be a complete saturation of physical and virtual space in the form of Mats Sundin.

I want nothing more than for this to be over. I woke up today with one less Leafs jersey to wear. My Sundin jersey has an embargo on it until further notice…

I wish I still felt like shaking my rump. I’m gonna curl up in a corner…

"You do dat, you go to da box, you know, uh, two minutes by yourself, and you feel shame, you know, and then you get free."
The Left Coast Lock

by blurr1974 on Dec 19, 2008 10:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Hrm...

I dunno, if my Leafs jersey had Sundin’s name and number on it, I would still continue to wear it proudly…

"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)

by Winkle on Dec 19, 2008 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

pfff...

I’ll be rocking the Hagman jersey from now until I’m buried in it. Or, heaven forbid, this Sundin scenario gets played out again with Hagman, at which point, I will punch out all my own blood…

"You do dat, you go to da box, you know, uh, two minutes by yourself, and you feel shame, you know, and then you get free."
The Left Coast Lock

by blurr1974 on Dec 19, 2008 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Wow. Scott Burnside really went to town on Mats.

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by Down Goes Brown on Dec 19, 2008 11:11 AM EST reply actions  

yes...

and all completely valid points I think. My favorite:

“Loyalty? Don’t make us laugh.”

"You do dat, you go to da box, you know, uh, two minutes by yourself, and you feel shame, you know, and then you get free."
The Left Coast Lock

by blurr1974 on Dec 19, 2008 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Meh. Burnside’s a hack.

The first half of his piece is completely undone by his acknowledgement that the whole situation is a media creation and not of Mats’ doing. In the second half when he questions Mats’ ability, I’d love for Burnside to explain how it is that such a marginal talent could:

A) Be the cornerston of Leafs rebuild based on his trade value
B) generate so much interest and conjecture as to where he would land
C) have given a team a shot at last year’s cup
D) be wanted by multiple teams at the trade deadline
E) be wanted by multiple teams (run by some pretty smart GMs) as a UFA
F) be of such interest to Bob Gainey that he was willing to make a trade just for the rights to negoitate with Mats (contingent on Mats signing a deal)
G) be chosen as captain of a Swedish team over Forsberg, Lidstrom and Alfredsson

So Sundin doesn’t live up to some media-created myth. Suprise surprise. Who does?

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by mf37 on Dec 19, 2008 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

i go back to my favorite...

“Loyalty. Don’t make us laugh.” line.

Whatever. He was an amazing player as a Leaf. Now he’s not. Yesterday I was elated, today I’m not. He can change his mind, so can I…

"You do dat, you go to da box, you know, uh, two minutes by yourself, and you feel shame, you know, and then you get free."
The Left Coast Lock

by blurr1974 on Dec 19, 2008 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

One man's expectation of loyalty...

If Sports Illustrated offered to double Burnside’s salary, my guess is he’d be out of ESPN before his pen could hit the floor.

Bitter Leaf Fan: a life-long Toronto Maple Leafs fan comments on the team, the media and the exasperation...

by mf37 on Dec 19, 2008 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I can’t decide if Burnside is going for intentional irony here:

Is he the kind of player, like Mark Messier, who can lead the Canucks over the hump?

… or if he’s just following the NHL’s apparent rule that we all have to pretend Messier only ever played for the Rangers.

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by Down Goes Brown on Dec 19, 2008 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

With Burnside I’d guess unintentional, but you never know…

Bitter Leaf Fan: a life-long Toronto Maple Leafs fan comments on the team, the media and the exasperation...

by mf37 on Dec 19, 2008 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

i thought irony...

but then i’m not inundated with crappy MSM 24/7, so perhaps my expectations are lower than yours.

"You do dat, you go to da box, you know, uh, two minutes by yourself, and you feel shame, you know, and then you get free."
The Left Coast Lock

by blurr1974 on Dec 19, 2008 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

i guess...

the positive spin on all of this, is how much certain insiders and experts got it wrong.

thanks TSM, for painting me a silver lining.

"You do dat, you go to da box, you know, uh, two minutes by yourself, and you feel shame, you know, and then you get free."
The Left Coast Lock

by blurr1974 on Dec 19, 2008 12:52 PM EST reply actions  

This just in

To the surprise of no one, Mike Brown has stated he’ll give up his #13 for Mats. As if he even had a choice!

by LeafFanInVan on Dec 19, 2008 5:26 PM EST reply actions  

Feels sort of like when you ex hooks up

Even if you’re “over” them, it still sucks when it happens….

Leaf, the universe and everything.

by 1967ers on Dec 20, 2008 9:15 AM EST reply actions  

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