Leaf fanatics constantly bitch about the likes of Damien Cox and Steve Simmons, only to make them the most widely-read columnists in the city. My FAN-590 colleague, Bob McCown, isn’t the host of the No. 1-ranked sports-radio show in the country because he ignores the Maple Leafs. No person on the air so blatantly reminds listeners how abysmal the hockey club is, or how "stupid" its fans are. You folks hate his guts for bearing the truth, but you can’t get enough of him – he so adroitly pushes your buttons. The same Leaf zealots that call me a rotten bastard in e-mails are the first to wonder where my blog is if I skip a day.
So, if it’s true that the consistently lousy performance of the Leafs is partly due to "negative" media coverage, it is that way solely because of the demand for such material. A demand that is insatiable and endless.
No way I am leading you to Working Class Howard's blog especially since he's on a SIX WEEK VACATION (coincidentally, so is Damien Cox...hmmm...that seems convenient) so glove tap to DGB for reading his site not one but twice!
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Wow
Who can find all of the logical fallacies in Howard’s mental diarrhea?
by PPP on Jul 15, 2008 11:41 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Cox Bloc and only Cox Bloc.
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by Chemmy on Jul 15, 2008 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We Need A Hero (or Two)
Someone needs to flash the Cox Bloc sign and quick. If they don’t start ramping up over the next six weeks they won’t be ready for Cox and Berger’s returns in six weeks.
by PPP on Jul 15, 2008 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Numbers game
As usual, I think the media are asking the wrong question/ reaching the wrong conclusion.
Simmons, Cox, McCowan, Berger et al aren’t widely read/listened to because of their perspective, insight or abilities.
They’re widely followed because they cover the Leafs and are in an extremely fortunate position to have access to the most popular sports franchise in the country.
Put them on the highschool sports beat and see what numbers they deliver.
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by mf37 on Jul 15, 2008 12:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bingo
If any of us here wrote about the Leafs for The Star we’d instantly become the most-read sports columnists in the country. Would that make us the best? Well…yes so maybe that’s a bad example.
I am not too big on the “evil media hampers the team” meme but you can see the players’ frustrations on their faces when they are asked the same question for the 5000th time so it’s not entirely out of whack.
And again, I wish someone would tattoo this on Howard’s face but Leaf fans don’t hate those jackasses because they tell us the Leafs suck but because they try to blame the fans, lie about why the Leafs suck, twist facts to make their arguments, and generally re-write history while doing so.
by PPP on Jul 15, 2008 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also...
With Cox and Berger on vacation who is become Chief Crazy Writer in TO? Simmons can’t do it with one brutal article a week can he?
by PPP on Jul 15, 2008 12:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
secondary missinformation
the point that I found most glaringly omited is that while McCowan calls the Leaf fans stupid, and what not, he doesn’t flip flop all the time and take the side of the argument that is winning today
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 15, 2008 12:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
McCown
What I hate most about him (aside from his smug demeanour and stupid sunglasses – yes, they are medical apparently but he still looks like a jerk) is how he revels in his ignorance of soccer. I have no problem with people not liking something but don’t be proud of how ignorant you are especially since that’s such a huge problem in our “you read? I’ve only ever read one book outside of class” society.
by PPP on Jul 15, 2008 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That dude seems like a huge jackass. I do not understand why sportsnet puts that clown on tv (in HD no less!) because he definitely has the face for radio. I actually haven’t watched the show enough (usually I scramble for the remote when it comes on, switching to something less irritating like home shopping network or a test pattern) to see him bash on the Leafs. Although if someone like Brunt is talking at the time I’ll usually watch what he has to say, then switch as soon as McClown opens his big yap again. Usually doesn’t take that long.
by LeafFanInVan on Jul 15, 2008 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The guests he has on, especially Brunt, are usually good enough to attract my attention for a few minutes but it isn’t too long before something is said that makes me roll my eyes.
Any baseball fans? One thing I found funny, because I don’t really know the media types following the Jays, is how much Drunk Jays Fans and some other sites love Mike Wilner but the first couple of times that I listened to him he made a horrible first impression.
by PPP on Jul 15, 2008 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wilner comes off as a homer, but I’ve got Wilner love as well.
What didn’t you like about him the first time you heard him?
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by eyebleaf on Jul 15, 2008 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here’s where a little information becomes dangerous:
I basically follow every sport on the planet (Bangalore is going far in the Indian Jai Alai Championships) to at least a basic degree including sports I hate like baseball.
So a caller asked a question that, from my understanding of the situation, was a perfectly legitimate question. Rather than reply with a thought out response the caller got the radio host standard “oh brother, here we go again” and a condescending answer.
But like I said, Jays bloggers love him so maybe it’s just a little knowledge being a dangerous thing.
by PPP on Jul 15, 2008 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m originally from India, and I have no idea what the hell the Indian Jai Alai Championships are…so, yes, it’s clear that you do in fact follow every sport on the planet…
I think a part of that is the fact that Wilner gets the same questions over and over and over and over and over again. But I would definitely agree with you that sometimes he definitely comes off as condescending. In his defence, he deals with a lot of crazies.
Earlier in the season when everyone was on the “let’s sign Barry Bonds” flex, he would get four or five Bonds questions per night, until eventually he lost it and said it’s not happening, don’t ask me about it agian…
Listening to JaysTalk after a west-coast game is the best. That’s when the crazies really come out to play.
But Wednesday’s with JP are probably the highlight of Wilner’s show. I’ve got to give JP props for coming on week after week and facing the music. He takes a lot of flak from fans and he’s not happy with the season, as his comments about Adam Dunn would attest to.
I’d love for Cliff Fletcher to appear on a call-in show, but I fear he won’t be able to hear anything, you know, cuz he’s so old.
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by eyebleaf on Jul 15, 2008 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Repetead Questions
Yeah, I’ve heard that before and I guess there are only so many questions that his producer can let through but change them up if it makes him so crazy.
It’s funny that you mention the West Coast games since I read Stoeten (I think) mention the same thing about people waiting and waiting until the wee hours to get their insane question in.
I don’t know if I want Mean Cliff taking any questions. Maybe after he’s finished The Purge he’ll be more amenable to having his actions questioned.
by PPP on Jul 15, 2008 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
people lie too. this past year, i was taking calls for one of our live show’s on the Ontario election. some lady called in and said she wanted to talk about jobs in northern ontario. so i approved the call, ran it by the bosses, and it was all well and good. keep in mind, it was live TV…we put her on the air and her question was about funding religious schools, which i explicitly told her we would not be taking questions about…that damn whorebag…
Cliff’s going to have a legacy like Stalin. Pure purgeage.
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by eyebleaf on Jul 15, 2008 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Arrogance can be intoxicating
Seems to me like a self-obsessive reactionary rant to an identity crises, where one’s worst (best) qualities are what they’re (ashamed of) famous for.
Reminds me of an excellent post (by MF37) and discussion in the comments from about a month ago.
by general borschevsky on Jul 15, 2008 12:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Media jerks
Strangely, I don’t really think that the media types are all that different from market to market. Moreso they (eventually) figure out what will get them the biggest readership, and follow accordingly. Leaf fans don’t need someone telling them the team is great to get worked up about it. We know the team isn’t great. Hasn’t been great for a long, long time. Telling us the straight facts won’t boost circulation, so going extra negative to incur wrath and rancor (and get the contrarians on their side, you know, the guys from Toronto who actively post on hockey boards with such insights as “THE LAFFS SUCK LOL”) seem to be the ticket.
In Vancouver, the hockey writers are definitely no more clever or skilled than the ones in Toronto, yet they know if they go negative the fans will just get complete disheartened and walk away from the team completely. Thus, they rely on the pumping up of the various figures (Luongo = God, Naslund = was a damn fine captain etc) and glossing over any of the terrible shortcomings of the team (goals go where, exactly?).
If I recall correctly from my time in Ottawa and Calgary, the media was more quiet determination that things aren’t that bad (Iginla! Alfredsson!) with players such as Yashin getting a pretty soft ride up until their unceremonious departure. Rarely were GM moves scrutinized or critiqued by the press. Course I was in both markets when they were pretty woeful.
by LeafFanInVan on Jul 15, 2008 12:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Truth (or at least an attempt at it)
DGB’s post about ottawa in the link from the General was pretty depressing. The frustrating thing is that I have to believe that most fans want to read an attempt at the truth or at least a truthfully argued position. That’s why some days I only get to the newspaper stories online if someone has written a reaction to an article.
by PPP on Jul 15, 2008 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, that link jibes pretty much exactly with how I remember it, and that was back in 97-98! Homerism is king there.
Pretty much the only reason I have for reading the mainstream media articles now are for the quotes, something the blogs have more trouble getting due to much more limited access. The information-only articles are sometimes ok, but I just avoid any of the columns now because I really don’t care to read some sportswriter’s personal agenda page.
Cox, Berger, Simmons et all can cram it. It does wonder for my blood pressure ignoring them completely.
by LeafFanInVan on Jul 15, 2008 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quotations
Yeah, the guy’s with access that give you good quotations are worth their weight in gold but MF37 has pointed out how the Leafs have started putting all of their pressers on the team site. Then all we’ll need reporters to do is ask questions.
by PPP on Jul 15, 2008 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Access
That’s why it’s been really refreshing to read Lance Hornby recently. The guy has been asking straight questions and reporting the answers. Crazy to think that’s a noteworthy approach in a media centre like Toronto.
Also, am I mis-reading this or is Howard calling on Leaf fans to boycott Cox, Simmons and McCown.
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by mf37 on Jul 15, 2008 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hornby
Yeah, he’s been breaking the mould.
Now that you mention it, it sounds like Howard wants us to put our money where our mouth is and boycott all traditional media sources.
by PPP on Jul 15, 2008 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you continued my Google page rank improvement initiative maybe Leafs fans wouldn’t have to rely on traditional media.
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by Chemmy on Jul 15, 2008 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What do I have to do to continue the initiative?
by PPP on Jul 15, 2008 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stuff like this: free animal porn
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by Down Goes Brown on Jul 15, 2008 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I read your fanpost about it. I’ll try to follow those tips and if you have any others pass them along.
Hopefully we can get the Barilkosphere to overthrow the TO Media without having to resort to my initial plan that I called the Annexation of the Star Building.
It would have been like the storming of the Bastille except instead of releasing the prisoners and killing the guards we’d just execute Cox et al.
by PPP on Jul 15, 2008 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WHOA
Pensionplanpuppets.com is now the 11th ranked page for “toronto maple leafs blog” on Google. With just a little more linking we’ll have it.
When I started this idea you were ranked like 50th PPP, behind a blog about the San Jose Sharks.
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by Chemmy on Jul 15, 2008 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
See? SEO is easy.
Hey, it looks like budblog is back. Wasn’t that gone for a while? Anyone know who that is?
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by Down Goes Brown on Jul 15, 2008 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No Idea
But it’s good to see that he unretired.
SEO is awesome for a Toronto Maple Leafs blog.
by PPP on Jul 15, 2008 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I did the Costanza and just went with the opposite of what I do on my blog. Long posts that are worth reading, shameless self promotion, etc.
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by Chemmy on Jul 15, 2008 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you hit on the hot girl at the counter at the diner at lunch?
by PPP on Jul 15, 2008 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Chemmy on Jul 15, 2008 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oops
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by Chemmy on Jul 15, 2008 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Irony
The most ironic part about the Leafs media contingent is that they are very fortunate to have access to the Leafs administration and players, yet they can’t tell the fans what’s really going on in the locker room or else they’ll lose their access. And losing their access would pretty much prevent them from learning even more things that they can’t tell us.
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by mf37 on Jul 15, 2008 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s not fair. I had time now.
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by Chemmy on Jul 15, 2008 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s like sleeping with Katie Holmes but not being able to tell anyone because Xenu will kill you.
Wouldn’t that drive them insane? Are their memoirs going to be absolutely insane and chock full of crazy stories from their career? It would almost make this current suffering worthwhile.
by PPP on Jul 15, 2008 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so true...
there’s probably so much shit they know but can’t tell…i’m still waiting on the offical Kilger news for fuck’s sake.
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by eyebleaf on Jul 15, 2008 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some of the stuff these media guys have seen first-hand would make your head spin. And that’s not even touching the rumors they’ve heard but not verified. Almost none of it is ever reported.
And by the way, the next time some big star gets in trouble with the law or his wife (or both) and the reporters all go into their well-rehearsed “this is an outrage” routine, don’t believe it. They’ve known all along, they just kept quiet to keep their access.
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by Down Goes Brown on Jul 15, 2008 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know, I actually like negative coverage when its warranted. We’re dealing with a last place team here, they should be ripped for their screwups. The alternative is what we get up here in Ottawa: non-stop pom pom waving from guys like Bruce Garrioch. It gets old in a hurry (although Sens fans generally lap it up).
My problem with Cox, and to a lesser extent Berger and Simmons, is that it’s the same script every time. You know what Cox is going to write before you pick up the paper. It’s paint-by-numbers at this point. The “blame the dumb fans” schtick has been done so many times that people have stopped noticing that it doesn’t even make sense (stop buying tickets so there will be empty seats? There’s an 18-year wating list for pete’s sake!). It’s the same column with a few words changed, like a lazy sportswriter’s version of mad-libs.
The one area where I’ll give Berger credit is that, unlike Cox and some others, I never feel like his rants are based on his personal preferences for the players. Cox clearly has his favorites (Sundin, Kaberle) and his targets (Fletcher, Tucker, Domi, anyone else who fights, anyone else who ducks out of a single interview) based on his past interactions, and he will carry those grudges into the ground with him when he dies. Howard doesn’t seem to hate anyone except those dumb fans.
I guess he’s just got one of those unfortunate jobs from the old joke: it would be great work if we could only get rid of all those darn paying customers.
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by Down Goes Brown on Jul 15, 2008 1:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Negative
If fans didn’t want negative we wouldn’t visit your site ;)
But what we want to read is honest negativity. If a trade is terrible then make a case for why it’s terrible other than “just wait until this 5th round pick turns into Henrik Zetterberg” as if every late round pick turns into a gem.
Good point on Berger. At least he has no grudges with players. Don’t forget Cox’s fear of the Ghost of Quinn.
by PPP on Jul 15, 2008 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Columnists play with different rules
I went on a tour of the Star earlier this year and spoke to their media relations, PR staff member about inaccuracies and potential for libel in the newspaper world. Unless I heard incorrectly, which I don’t think so since I asked the question, syndicated columns that Simmons, Cox, Berger, et al. have are not subject to the same libel rules as feature stories, front page news, etc. They can essentially write whatever they want because their columns are basically opinion.
Simmons’ rants (scribbles) at the back page, Cox’s columns + blogs (who am I kidding, they’re the same thing), and Berger’s “musings” (since we’ve already seen Berger issue an apology over the Avery-Blake matter when he actually has to report) are pretty much off-limits for courts because they’re not presented as the truth. They’re just one person’s interpretation. Thus, is it to anyone’s surprise the lack of accountability with not only the sports content, but the media in general?
Unfortunately, the onus is on the reader to know that these columns are not all factually-based articles that represent the entire truth. So, fans are idiots for not knowing that these reporters who have the greatest media access to the Leafs and subsequently write about them can’t be taken at face value? Seems logical to me.
by bkblades on Jul 16, 2008 12:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I am not saying anything since I am far removed from Toronto media and I do not read any of these guys. Good thing, I suppose since it may make me even more stabby than usual idoits.
by loser domi on Jul 16, 2008 6:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Count your blessings.
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by PPP on Jul 16, 2008 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Luck
You are lucky in that respect, but then you have to deal with Quebec and all the Canadians foibles that come about when you are there. Two sided coin I’d say. At least the crap in TO is about a team I like.
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