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I am a hockey fan.  Period.

This post on Puck Daddy got me thinking.  And raised my blood pressure (the comments, not the article).

I believe "real" hockey fans root for good hockey. I agree that combining two jerseys is incredibly indecisive, rather stupid, and ... just seems wrong; one should be able to root for both teams but ultimately have the presence of mind to pick one over the other, especially when spending $100-plus per jersey.

But at the same time, chastising others for rooting for two or more teams (as some of the posted replies to your blog exclaimed) and appreciating the talent spread throughout the league, even if it is among rivals, makes as much sense as ... I don't know, heckling the opposing team and its fans when you could be supporting and cheering all the louder for "your" team.

As a self-respecting hockey fan, I root for multiple teams, including rivals. Because I love hockey, at all levels, regardless of the name and/or logo on either side of the sweater.

Kat writes this as a college hockey fan and as such follows certain college players as they transition into the NHL.

As a WHL fan, I completely agree.  In fact, I watched hockey for several years before I even “claimed” a team (Go Carolina!).  I watch every team.  And I do so because a.) it’s hockey and I fucking love hockey  b.) there are certain players that I enjoy watching that make it worth watching every team.  When I watch two teams play I root for whichever team is playing a better game.  Yes, there are teams I like more than other and generally root for them.  Or I’ll cheer for anyone playing against the Red Wings, the Ducks, the Sabres, and the Panthers (cuz really, who goes for the Panthers?  Kidding.)

Additionally, there are players that are just amazing players, no matter what team they play for and that has to be respected, in my book.  I may not give two shits about Phoenix, but enjoy watching Peter Mueller be awesome and Ilya Bryzgylov make great saves.  I’ll watch Columbus lose game after game, but holy shit, can that Rick Nash play some fucking hockey.  And the Maple Leafs.  MLSE should be paying me to sit through that shit, but watching Tomas Kaberle move up the ice (and not shoot, wtf!) is just awesome.  And I got sucked into the Leafs because as an American, I always heard stories of Don Cherry on Hockey Night in Canada.  So when I could afford it, I bought Center Ice and got to tune into "Grapes" and his crazy-talk every Saturday night, which meant watching the Leafs.  Like a train wreck, I've been unable to turn away ever since.

I have no geographic alliance to any particular NHL team.  Although The Hockey News assumes it’s a Californian team so my annual yearbook has a Shark or a Duck on the cover, ugh.  As I mentioned, it took me several years of watching hockey before I picked a team to dedicate more time to than others.  I wasn’t necessarily looking for a team, although it made it hard to buy merchandise because I never could decide what teams’ stuff to buy.  But I was drawn to Carolina not only because of the number of players I really enjoy(ed) watching (Erik Staal, Cam Ward, Aaron Ward, Eric Cole, Frantisek Kaberle, Mike Commodore, Andrew Ladd, Chad LaRose, Scott Walker, Rod Brind’ Amor, Justin Williams, Matt Cullen, I could continue), but also because of their style of play.  The aggressive forechecking style that Laviolette uses is risky, which is exciting—when it works (Cup-winning year) and also excruciatingly painful when not clicking—two seasons since Cup).

So name any team in the league and I’ll tell you at least 2 guys on that team I enjoy watching.  Does that make me disloyal or a shitty fan?  Hell no.  It means I love the sport and I appreciate talented players.

And to the commenters on the Puck Daddy article who are asshats and whose only “argument” they could bring up is that women shouldn’t be fans, we should not be allowed to talk hockey but should be talking about kitchen shit, blah blah more sexist dumb shit blah blah, you can fuck right off.  You don’t have to agree with Kat.  Or me.  Or anyone that isn’t you, but please, for the love of all things holy in this world, shut the fuck up.  You’re the reason we women hockey fans stick together—because having educated, rational, logical conversation about the sport is impossible with fucktards like you ruining it for everyone. 

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It was pretty much a gong show over there

I couldn’t believe the sexism and racism getting bandied about in those comments. All because a girl wrote the article. Seriously.

I think the more shocking part was how few people were bothering to disagree or try to censor those comments themselves. The greatest check and balance we have on hateful behaviour is each other, and it’s failures like that which make me embarrassed to be a sports fan.

I’ll bet you that more than half the guys posting there are just dick-waving fairweather fans who couldn’t tell you the names of half the guys on their roster. Most supposed fans in Toronto still don’t know Brian Leetch isn’t playing for us anymore.

by koopa kid on Jul 27, 2008 3:01 AM EDT reply actions  

I stopped commenting on Mirtle’s blog because of how atrocious the people who comment there are, and somehow Puck Daddy has attracted even dumber commenters. Whyshynski writes a great blog but holy shit stay away from the comments.

As far as Kat goes, I hate her because she went to Boston College and roots for teams that are bitter rivals. She should feel free to do so, but I wouldn’t talk hockey with someone who claimed to be a Leafs and Senators fan, and I wouldn’t talk baseball with someone who claimed to like both the Yankees and Red Sox. Yeah we’re all rooting for jerseys, but that’s what makes it fun. It’s fun to have your chips down on one number and root for the big payoff.

It reminds me of the episode of the Simpsons where the family goes into the kitsch store, (Homer’s Phobia, S8E15) and Principal Skinner asks if there are any non-political party election buttons, such as “May the best man win” or “Let’s have a good clean election”. It’s just boring.

You can root for players on other teams, I like watching Ovechkin play, and late at night I’ll throw on the Hawks to see Kane and Toews, but when any of them are playing the Leafs I’m not going to be happy if they score.

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by Chemmy on Jul 27, 2008 10:29 AM EDT reply actions  

You want to really fear for the future of humanity? Read the comments on any AOL story. My God it is terrifying to think that people like that are loose on the streets. The comments go from topical to Klanical in about 10 posts.

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by PPP on Jul 27, 2008 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

the commenters

Wysh really does a good job and it’s unfortunate he went from having the Deadspin commenters who are top notch and monitored, to Yahoo where is it seemingly any backwoods person with a modem who didn’t get past grade 9 is offering their thoughts.

And great job for Kat writing that. It reminds me a similar fiasco last week when Lori wrote about how she hates Ice Girls: http://mythreefavoritethings.blogspot.com/2008/07/how-fuck-does-this-exist.html

I chatted her up and her head it totally in the right place, but she took a lot of heat for her post. She received a lot of a hate mail. That just isn’t right. A woman just being herself and expressing her opinion should not result in rocks being thrown at her and then sexist rants claiming our place is in the kitchen. I am not an accessory to hockey. I am a fan.

Ain't nothing but puck drops and poke checks, babydoll.

by Wrap Around Curl on Jul 27, 2008 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t mean to be pessimistic, but the Klanical bunch are out there in great numbers. It’s just that in their day to day interactions they can’t hide behind the anonymity that the internet provides. Like in the rest of my life, I choose to be part of a on line, likeminded community that is passionate but reasonable. Perhaps there is a community of objective sports lovers out there without a loyalty to any specific team. But such arguments tend to remind me of Cox’s ” I am above the fray rhetoric” .

by blue with age on Jul 27, 2008 12:09 PM EDT reply actions  

I have seen the world from the side of a sports fan as opposed to a specific team fan since, while always a Leaf fan, for many years I watched football and the real football without having a preference for any team at all, there were teams I hated coughpatriotsmanucough but for the longest time there was no team i threw my support at.. Then I had to go and choose poorly on both aspects.

as for stupidity in comments, it is just human nature rearing its ugly head. I for one don’t mind it that much. It makes me feel a lot better about myself and the people whose opinions actually matter.

Because Taking The Leafs Seriously Is Not An Option

by JaredFromLondon on Jul 27, 2008 12:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Fantasy Football and the NFL

FF plays a part in making people fans of the NFL rather than one particular team (to a certain extent) but at the end of the day for most people there is still one team that will win out for their affection over any other.

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by PPP on Jul 27, 2008 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Like the Patriots. Remember, the Patriots were poorly run and absolutely terrible until they got new ownership who was committed to winning and then they drafted Jesus’ second coming.

Darcy Tucker Fan Club*
* Blog contains less than 2% Darcy Tucker by weight.

by Chemmy on Jul 28, 2008 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

"Dave shultz"

I read this and I seriously love you. If I comment on Puck Daddy (and even that isn’t that often), it’s usually to try and balance out the shitty commenters. Poor Wyshinski, I always try to leave something encouraging for him—he certainly deserves it.

Making stuff up since real Leafs news is far too depressing

by loser domi on Jul 27, 2008 6:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Guarantee

There will always be one comment on each post within the top 10 that didn’t understand the post and tells Greg that he sucks. It’s hilarious.

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by PPP on Jul 28, 2008 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don’t forget hilarious spammer comments.

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* Blog contains less than 2% Darcy Tucker by weight.

by Chemmy on Jul 28, 2008 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah

It’s not a Yahoo post without a porn spam.

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by PPP on Jul 28, 2008 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

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