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Breaking: Mathieu Schneider Clears Waivers

Just saw this on Mirtle's blog:

Ducks defenceman Mathieu Schneider cleared waivers at noon today, which puts Brian Burke in a tough spot.

Does it though? MF37 wrote this morning about how Brian Burke isn't looking like a genius GM based on his handling of Bryzgalov, Bertuzzi and now Schneider. Mirtle thinks this is a problem for the Ducks because if they bring Schneider back up from their AHL affiliate he would need to clear re-entry waivers, and the Ducks would be on the hook for half of his salary and cap hit.

The thing is... if Brian Burke did this in Toronto he'd be a genius. He has a player whose cap hit is way too large for his skill set, if the Ducks could afford to pay Schneider his contract there'd be no point in them even bothering to put him through re-entry waivers. Obviously that wouldn't have worked on the Muskoka Five due to their NMCs, but at least the possibility that Burke will be the first GM to demote a player to the AHL and leave him there for cap relief exists. That's a big step. Update: Commenter blurr1974 pointed out that under the CBA, players over 35 count against the salary cap, even in the AHL.

It sucks to be Schneider in that case, and the NHLPA would surely file a complaint on his behalf, but there are probably worse things than being paid millions of dollars to play in the AHL. Let's see how this situation plays off before we declare Brian Burke a bad GM, he might come out of this looking like Conn Smythe.

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It sucks to be Schneider in most cases

I never thought much of Schneider’s “skill set”. i think it was Burke himself who said that there really is no salary cap in the NHL as long as owners were willing to bury bad contracts in the minors. I think it’s an interesting loophole and should be done more often.

by general borschevsky on Sep 17, 2008 2:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Dare we say that Marlies might have a higher payroll than, say, Phoenix in a couple years?

Nooooooo!

by LeafFanInVan on Sep 17, 2008 2:15 PM EDT reply actions  

And notice that he didn’t have a NMC to block this move…

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by PPP on Sep 17, 2008 2:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah. Burke can leave Schneider in the minors no sweat.

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by Chemmy on Sep 17, 2008 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

unrelated question - Twitter

anyone in the barilkosphere on Twitter?

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by eyebleaf on Sep 17, 2008 2:57 PM EDT reply actions  

No. Why?

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by PPP on Sep 17, 2008 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

it’s another way to build traffic. this guy at my work is all bout it bout it.

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by eyebleaf on Sep 17, 2008 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I know Shanoff uses it but what’s so good about it?

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by PPP on Sep 17, 2008 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

it’s like an updater…so when chemmy just posted this breaking news about Schneider…he’d update his Twitter, which we’d be following, to say “Schneider clears waivers, bitches!” and then provide a link to PPP…it’s like the facebook status, and that’s as far as it goes…you have 140 characters…so whenever you guys do one of the Reading the Tea Leaves you update your twitter…

in a way, it’s pointless, i have you guys in my RSS and eventually it’ll pop up that a new post is up…but then i read shit like this: http://mashable.com/2008/09/16/twitter-traffic-growth/

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by eyebleaf on Sep 17, 2008 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mmmmm

Ok, good link. Something to think about…

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by PPP on Sep 17, 2008 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

hahay

you said twitter

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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 17, 2008 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m on there (smcindoe), but not the DGB blog.

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by Down Goes Brown on Sep 17, 2008 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought because of his age and multi year deal, regardless of where he plays, Schneider would still count against the cap…? Swear I read that somewhere…no?

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by blurr1974 on Sep 17, 2008 3:00 PM EDT reply actions  

darn

time to do some real research…

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by PPP on Sep 17, 2008 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bingo

Here’s something from NHLSCAP.com…

In addition, 50.5(d)(i)(B)(5) states the following:
    All Player Salary and Bonuses earned in a League Year by a Player who is in the second or later year of a multi-year SPC which was signed when the Player was age 35 or older (as of June 30 of the League Year in which the SPC is to be effective), but which Player is not on the Club’s Active Roster, Injured Reserve, Injured Non Roster or Non Roster, and regardless of whether, or where, the Player is playing, except to the extent the Player is playing under his SPC in the minor leagues, in which case only the Player Salary and Bonuses in excess of $100,000 shall count towards the calculation of Averaged Club Salary;

Long story short, he still counts…

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by blurr1974 on Sep 17, 2008 3:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh wow. Sucks to have players over 35 on your roster. Maybe Burke is trying to get Schneider to retire.

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by Chemmy on Sep 17, 2008 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he got hosed by the Niedermeyer and Selanne mind changes. He went forward under the assumption that both were onge. In comes Bert and Schneids as capable, if not as skilled, replacements. Then Scotty and Teemu change their minds and he’s had to scramble to fix that ever since. Hope the next CBA addresses this “take half a year off” nonsense…

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by blurr1974 on Sep 17, 2008 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good looking out.

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by PPP on Sep 17, 2008 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

The fine print

It’s the age of the player when they sign their contract, not the age of the player at the moment, that matters.

If MLSE decides to waive Blake to the Marlies when he’s 37 the Leafs would get cap relief because Blake signed his contract before he turned 35. Schneider signed this contract when he was 37 so waiving him to the minors doesn’t give the ducks any additional cap room or relief.

All the GMs were aware that Burke can’t get cap relief by just waiving Schneider, so they smartly let Schneider clear on the first pass. Schneider now has to pass through re-entry waivers – if a team claims him at that point, the Ducks have to pay half of his salary and they have to carry 50% of his cap hit too (why claim him at $5.6M when you can get him in 12 days at $2.8M?)

So, at best, waiving Schneider only frees up $2.8M in cap space for the Ducks.

If a team claims Schneider off of waivers, they can’t trade him until they offer him to all of the teams that also put in a waiver claim. This may reduce Schneider’s value as trade deadline bait.

The real problem isn’t so much Schneider’s contract as it is the dumb ones Burke signed in the iterim.

Todd Marchant at $2.5M/3yrs with a NTC and Brendan Morrison at $2.75M aren’t looking too good right now. Toss in Bertuzzi’s $1.33M buy-out and Burke has $6.6 M tied up in these three chumps.

Given how this has played out so far, I think Burke will come out looking more like Stafford than Conn Smythe.

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by mf37 on Sep 17, 2008 4:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, that over 35 provision ruined my entire article. I agreed with you about Burke this morning, by the way. I was in the shower thinking that Burke looked like a crummy GM.

Then Schneider cleared waivers and I was like “whoooooa slick move” before blurr rained on my parade.

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by Chemmy on Sep 17, 2008 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I award myself the PPP “Egg On Your Face” Award for Sep 17th 2008, awarded daily to a blogger who misses a crucial provision in the CBA and puts up a terrible article.

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by Chemmy on Sep 17, 2008 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe PPP can get the award tomorrow when he double-posts your content?

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by mf37 on Sep 17, 2008 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Poor guy, he runs a great blog for years, hires a no talent hack, misses one post, and boom reputation shot.

It’s ok PPP, I still love you.

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by Chemmy on Sep 17, 2008 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Meh

Mistakes get made. I could delete it like The Fraud and pretend that there wasn’t a mistake or I could leave it up. And blame Chemmy. It’s all Chemmy’s fault.

If he didn’t have a smile that brightened up the room I’d can him.

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by PPP on Sep 17, 2008 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

SEXUAL HARASSMENT IN THE WORKPLACE

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by Chemmy on Sep 17, 2008 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

would a hug be out of bounds? Come on bitches, just hug it out

Making stuff up since real Leafs news is far too depressing

by loser domi on Sep 17, 2008 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Red light!

RED LIGHT!!!

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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 18, 2008 6:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Now I know how poor Allan Bester feels. You kill yourself for years, let one 90 foot slapshot through your gaping five-hole and all anyone remembers is that one time you posted your own ftb and didn’t even plagiarize it :(

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by PPP on Sep 17, 2008 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Momesso shot it through a defenseman, too.

Poor Allan.

%@^*& bone spurs….

by 1967ers on Sep 18, 2008 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oooh, I like that:

If MLSE decides to waive Blake to the Marlies when he’s 37 the Leafs would get cap relief because Blake signed his contract before he turned 35.

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by PPP on Sep 17, 2008 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Given how this has played out so far, I think Burke will come out looking more like Stafford than Conn Smythe.

Wait? He’s going to get drunk and turn a blind eye to a ring of rapists in the Honda Centre in the next 12 days? Look out Sleek!

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by PPP on Sep 17, 2008 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought that was more of a Harold Ballard thing.

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by Chemmy on Sep 17, 2008 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stafford turned the blind eye, Ballard took a cut of the gate.

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by PPP on Sep 17, 2008 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

So did Stafford. They were both up on charges when Stafford suddenly passed on.

by 1967ers on Sep 18, 2008 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Keep in mind that the over 35 provision also counts for retirement.

So for example, if Sundin were to change his mind and take the 2x$10M deal from Vancouver and then decided to hang it up next season, he wouldn’t get paid but the Canucks would get absolutely reamed cap-wise.

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by Down Goes Brown on Sep 17, 2008 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would find that hilarious. Gawd, Gillis is already a lame duck GM and he’s barely started!

by LeafFanInVan on Sep 17, 2008 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did the Devils already stash Malakhov and Mogilny in the minors when the cap first came in?

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by Down Goes Brown on Sep 17, 2008 5:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Mogilny was a long-term injury (or some such term) exemption. I wouldn’t think it would be hard to find a crooked doc in New Jersey willing to make whatever testimony you’re looking for.

Malakhov was dealt to San Jose along with a conditional first round draft pick . As Malakhov didn’t report, he was suspended by the Sharks and they didn’t have to pay him, they just had to take his cap hit. Funny how that works…

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by mf37 on Sep 17, 2008 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn’t think it would be hard to find a crooked doc in New Jersey willing to make whatever testimony you’re looking for.

Dr. Mangini has no idea whatchu is talking ’bout.

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by PPP on Sep 18, 2008 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Schnider

He’s on my fantasy team! Sure, it’s teh loser league, but hey, at least I thought of him. It’s the thought that counts right?

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by loser domi on Sep 18, 2008 11:55 AM EDT reply actions  

For the record, I still think Leafs fans should have booed Schneider out of town instead of Larry Murphy….

by 1967ers on Sep 18, 2008 12:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Why restrict ourselves to booing one bum out of town?

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by PPP on Sep 18, 2008 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Boo em all and let Waivers sort em out!

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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 18, 2008 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Might get to put that in practice in a few days.

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by 1967ers on Sep 18, 2008 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha I should have ordered jersey #00 with the name “BOOOOOOOOO” on the back

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by Chemmy on Sep 18, 2008 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

or #00 and “oh-oh”

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by loser domi on Sep 18, 2008 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

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