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1991 redux, or is it 1979?

 

Editor's Note: Newcomer 1967ers does a good job of tantalising us with hints of a bright past and terrify us with blunt applications of a period in the Leafs' history that has eerie parallels with the present.

Was thinking over the past few days how this version of a Fletcher rebuild compares to the one he undertook the first time around.  Realized that there are also some alarming comparisons to the 'rebuild' that gave us the 1980's, but we'll touch on that later.

In 1991, Cliff arrived on the scene to a team that had finished 2nd last overall and had been completely gutted by Floyd Smith in a desperate attempt not to have been the GM who traded away Eric Lindros (yet another post for another day).

The first major thing he did was trade the best offensive player we had (Damphousse), along with a young defenseman (Richardson) and our starting goaltender (Ing), for an injured former starter who was rumoured to have drug problems (Fuhr) and a fading offensive star (Anderson).  I thought this was a horrific move.

And then I saw Grant Fuhr play.

 

Star-divide

If you go back and look at Fuhr's numbers in Toronto, they don't look like a heck of a lot, but the guy was simply unreal.  It may just be the comparison to Peter Ing, but I remember a game in St. Louis where Brett Hull was getting open look after open look, and Fuhr was just stoning him.  This sort of thing just didn't happen with the Leafs.

Approaching mid-season, there was talk of a rumour sending Gary Leeman to Calgary for Doug Gilmour, who was having a contract dispute.  There had been Gilmour/Leeman talk before, and I couldn't believe that Risebrough couldn't see that if Fletcher had wanted Leeman before, and was trying to get rid of him now that he had him, something might be up.  All the same, I didn't like Gilmour from his St. Louis days and he was supposed to be fading a bit.  I didn't want this deal either.

Nonetheless, the deal happened (and yes, we knew it was the steal of a lifetime the second we heard it) and the rest was history.

With all that Gilmour did, it's easy to forget that the arrival of Macoun and Nattress was every bit as big.  All of a sudden, the Leafs had a defense pairing that had a clue what to do.  They would come out on the ice and all of a sudden, the shenanigans would just end.  Never saw anything like it before.

The point of this, I guess, is that Fletcher's moves don't always look great up front, but a lot of them are done with an eye towards another move later.  Also - the team that starts the season will most likely not be the team that finishes it.  So given that the Leafs have about a bazillion defensemen and no forwards, expect something to happen, even if it takes until January.

Now - there are also some nasty parallels with the return of Punch Imlach in 1979 (the timeline isn't a dead match, but the sequence is roughly similar):

- a former GM who'd had great success returns to the team 10 years later.  He is old now, and people aren't sure how he'll do with today's game and players
- he has a mandate to rebuild the team, by force if necessary
- he immediately sets out to break a clique of players surrounding the captain, starts by moving the captain's closest friends out of town for questionable returns
- fires the coach
- eventually gets the captain to waive a no-trade clause and move on (OK, so it's not a dead match)
- trades away the #2 defenseman for not that much
- brings back the former starting goaltender in a lesser role

OK. The last few are a stretch and some of the Sittler/Turnbull/Palmateer moves might have been post-Imlach, I can't recall. 

But you can't suggest one historical parallel without the other....

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You just made me really happy, and then you made me break out in a cold sweat.

Curse you 1967ers.

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by Chemmy on Sep 3, 2008 2:17 PM EDT reply actions  

The biggest difference is that Cliff does not appear to be the nasty piece of work that Punch was,and I like his choice of coach a lot better.

Note that Cliff also replaced a coach in his first go-round, too, and that worked out OK. Plus, that coach had a say in the signing of an unheralded defenseman (Sylvain Lefebvre), which also worked out OK.

by 1967ers on Sep 3, 2008 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ron Wilson + Pavel Kubina = Burns + Lefebvre?

Nice, I look forward to Sean’s latest blog once Kubina one-punches someone.

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by PPP on Sep 3, 2008 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kubina, or maybe Finger.

He’s responsible for at least one of them….

by 1967ers on Sep 3, 2008 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

the other biggest difference

he immediately sets out to break a clique of players surrounding the captain, starts by moving the captain’s closest friends out of town for questionable returns

This is close, but not quite true. Players who were once Sundin’s closest allies came to represent a counter-productive influence on the team, undermining Sundin’s authority. Those players are replaced by Cujo in the dressing room, and Nieuwendyk upstairs (Sundin’s friends), while working class veterans Mayers, Hollweg, and Finger have been added, along with European skaters Grabovski, Hagman, Boumedienne, and Frogren. Sundin’s true allies – Kaberle, Antropov, Ponikarovsky, Kubina – remain.

by general borschevsky on Sep 3, 2008 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

So it was really the Muskoka 4 and the Georgian Bay 1? ;)

FWIW, Imlach felt the captain’s clique itself was a counterproductive influence on the team, but he couldn’t touch Sittler directly – so it works and it doesn’t. If it was a dead match for 1979, I’d be jumping off a bridge somewhere.

Also – Luke Schenn IS Gary Nylund redux, just because he is. Watch those knees this time.

I’d forgotten all about Boumedienne already. My bazillion defensemen comment understated the true number….

by 1967ers on Sep 3, 2008 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

OH DEAR GOD!!!

I feel lightheaded.

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by PPP on Sep 3, 2008 3:00 PM EDT reply actions  

I split this up into the intro and entry so it wasn’t so long. I was going to promote it to the FP before you but I’ll let you have the fun birthday boy.

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by Chemmy on Sep 3, 2008 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

hahaha I missed both of my blog birthdays :(

Nice work Chemmy. Great minds think alike.

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by PPP on Sep 3, 2008 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not with this CBA

I remember Fletcher’s first go-round with the Leafs with great fondness. The fact that he pulled off so many great trades is what’s giving me a modicum of hope this time around.

That said, Fletcher has always really made his mark via trades and the current CBA has all but eliminated regular season trading.

I think you’ll all recall that next to no trades went down between October and January last season. I think it was the fewest ever (something like nine deals with Burke involved in half of them?). As well, over 20% of the league now has no-trade clauses, which just didn’t exist back in Fletcher’s first tenure.

The Leafs may have 10 D, but only seven can start the season with the big club and only Schenn is waiver wire exempt. That means at least two Leafs D will be exposed to the waiver wire in the next month. So much for trade bait.

I really do hope Fletcher is able to pull a few more rabbits out of the bag, but given the new operating environment, NTCs, and looming waiver wire decisions, I have really serious doubts.

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by mf37 on Sep 3, 2008 3:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes and no – a lot will depend on whether anyone wants one of the d (White, for example) enough that they’d bite before the end of training camp. Another thing you might see is that Kronwall, say, clears waivers and goes to the farm. You move a Van Ryn during the year and bring Kronwall up. There’s risk, but I’m not sure how much.

by 1967ers on Sep 3, 2008 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

What I don’t expect, or even really hope for, is a Gilmour deal. A couple prospects back, perhaps. Someone better than Jason Podollan.

by 1967ers on Sep 3, 2008 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Trades

It’s definitely a tough market but once every team gets into training camp they’ll get a better idea of which defenceman they need from the Leafs. Apparently there is actually interest in White (oh brother) but otherwise, the Marlies need players and some guys can still ply their trade down there while waiting for the trade deadline.

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by PPP on Sep 3, 2008 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

White Out

I’m still hoping there is some package deal in the works to move White and another D for a decent sniper or 1st-2nd line center, hey i can dream cant i?

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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 3, 2008 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

um,

You can dream, sure!

But the reality is that trading white probably yields the only type of offensive talent this team has in abundance: third line working class. So yeah, maybe you’re right and White will go with another defenseman for something better, there are definitely some teams out there weak on D, (especially offensive defenders) but I wouldn’t exactly be pitching a tent in excitement.

by bobrouse! on Sep 3, 2008 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dreaming never hurt

Except in the Nightmare on Elm St. movies…

But at the top end he’s a marginal prospect or a 3rd round + draft pick unless he goes in a package.

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by PPP on Sep 3, 2008 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

but

White for a prospect or a pick wouldn’t break my heart either

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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 3, 2008 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Any headline

Announcing his trade would be a boon for Leaf fans.

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by PPP on Sep 3, 2008 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

No dreams, dammit! Do you think this team is Detroit or something? Only nightmares!

by LeafFanInVan on Sep 3, 2008 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I remember talking to my dad after the Gilmour trade and agreeing that the guys we were getting were kind of old and the deal was pretty iffy.

Of course, I’ve been 100% right on everything else ever since.

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by Down Goes Brown on Sep 3, 2008 9:19 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't get the hatred for White

He’s young, resilient and still improving. Made the all-rookie squad as a D-man. Puts up absolutely fantastic numbers considering his TOI and size. He isn’t a special team liability despite so little NHL experience.

All this for $800K. That’s pretty much everything a team could possibly want in a fifth or sixth defenceman.

Granted he’s a total douche, but so what?

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by mf37 on Sep 3, 2008 9:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Well, he isn’t a special teams liability because he doesn’t really play on them. Even the time he does play he doesn’t put up very good numbers. +2.16/60 isn’t very good.

5-on-5 he is actually a minus (-0.19/60).

Plus, like you said, he is a douche.

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by PPP on Sep 4, 2008 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

He reminds me of Hitler.

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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 4, 2008 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Come, come...

…he’s never been anywhere near Poland

I now accept that Andrew Raycroft was not the answer to our problems.

by Mattblack on Sep 4, 2008 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

I guess we just have different expectations for a third-year, #5-6 dman, earning all of $800K.

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by mf37 on Sep 4, 2008 9:49 AM EDT reply actions  

He’s OK, but seems to me to be the most likely candidate to move.

by 1967ers on Sep 4, 2008 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fourth year! And it’s not so much that he’s earning 800K but that he’ll expect more when he re-signs and he still can’t make a clearance on his backhand to save his life or lift someone’s stick in front of the net (that’s actually the reason why McCabe got traded).

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by PPP on Sep 4, 2008 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

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