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Stopping The Spin

No idea if I'll do this more often but here's my first response to Damien Cox's "blog" (ie extra column that didn't make the newspaper because it wasn't good enough). I submitted it as a comment and we'll see if it gets 'moderated'.

The Future, Always a Slippery Notion

Hilarious. Before I even read the piece once I saw the news of the proposed deal I knew that you would write this article. If I had really tried I probably could have gotten the examples right too.

First off, the Leafs would have picked up the second overall pick from 2005 and the kind of top-line offensive talent that they currently lack (so far). This wouldn't have been a case of moving a first-rounder for an aging superstar in an attempt to win now. This would have been an attempt to take advantage of the cap space that the Leafs possess in order to get a player that would be a fixture in the top 6 (if not 3) for a decade. I would hate to see any team trying to make a move like that right?

Second, the pick was top six protected so in the case of a really horrible season the pick could not turn into the next Luongo or Niedermayer with which you could continuously bash Leaf fans over the head.

Finally, if the Leafs finish in the bottom six this year the pick would move to 2010. Adding Bobby Ryan plus a year of development would hopefully move the Leafs out of the bottom ten so the pick wouldn't be among the top ten but the other thing that you ignore is that the Leafs could still have moved Schneider, Kubina, or Kaberle to fill the gap in any draft pick that they lose.

The idea of a moratorium on first round picks is ludicrous because that would mean that the Leafs would have to commit themselves to avoiding any deal regardless of how worthwhile it would be to make it. Plus, what proof, if any, do you have that your idea works?

As for Schenn, I pretty much agree with your move to keep Schenn in junior but not because of your ridiculous theory that he needs at least two years in the AHL to develop properly but because it makes more sense in the salary cap world to move his contributions back a year so that he will still be on his entry-level contract when the Leafs are, in theory, back to competitiveness.

Update

Not surprisingly, my comment didn't get through but Damien clearly read it because he has an addendum which basically reads like some kindergartener taking his ball and trying to go home. What a hissy fit. Here's my reply to that part:

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA so you response is to call us stupid for pointing out that you wrote a terrible article? Hey Damien, how about they really slow down the rebuilding process and trade their next 5 first rounders (2009-2013) for 5 first in the 5 years after (2014-2018).

Those kids wouldn't begin to hit UFA status until almost 2030! Wow, what a brilliant strategy!

Poll
Was the proposed deal (Schneider + Bobby Ryan for 2009 First Rounder or 2010 First Rounder if 2009 in the bottom six) a good one?
Yes - A top offensive talent plus an asset to move in the future
35 votes
No - A first rounder? Asset management people!
14 votes
Maybe - Depends on what they would have done with Schneider
33 votes

82 votes | Poll has closed

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The fact that Cox wrote an article about the Leafs dealing a first round pick in a deal for Matthieu Schneider without mentioning the Luongo trade is a “Douglas beats Tyson” level shocker.

Down Goes Brown - Because it's technically possible that things may get better before we all die.

by Down Goes Brown on Sep 30, 2008 5:53 PM EDT reply actions  

I reserve judgement of this deal until I know who the prospects were the Leafs were going to add.

I do however, totally agree, that trading draft picks for young talent is not a backwards rebuilding step. See Grabovski, Mikhail.

by lordosis on Sep 30, 2008 5:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, getting a proven prospect for a draft pick isn’t a bad idea.

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by Chemmy on Sep 30, 2008 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I reserve judgement of this deal until I know who the prospects were the Leafs were going to add.

But Damien shouldn’t care — he doesn’t think the Leafs have any good prospects, so clearly whoever they sent to Anaheim would be a writeoff anyways.

Down Goes Brown - Because it's technically possible that things may get better before we all die.

by Down Goes Brown on Sep 30, 2008 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

True enough, but just to clarify, my comment was in regards to the poll, not to Cox’s latest Coxism.

by lordosis on Sep 30, 2008 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

THE SPIN

WILL NEVER STOP

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by eyebleaf on Sep 30, 2008 6:02 PM EDT reply actions  

you spin me

right round baby right round like a record baby right round round round

Making stuff up since real Leafs news is far too depressing

by loser domi on Sep 30, 2008 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I attempted to comment also

I think it’s revealing that the comments on the article still sit at 0. One wonders if Damien of the Cox variety actually received any response that wasn’t vitriolic in it’s efforts to make him screw himself.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Sep 30, 2008 6:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Just an FYI, comments are now up.

by lordosis on Sep 30, 2008 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't Matter

This trade is so happening on my NHL09 season…

Anybody throws me against the boards I'm gonna piss all over myself.

by blurr1974 on Sep 30, 2008 6:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Tough Poll Question

If Ryan’s the real deal it’s a god move, regardless, but I never liked Schneider the first time he was here, I’d hate seeing him in a Leaf uniform now. So I went with maybe.

by general borschevsky on Sep 30, 2008 7:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Never liked Schneider either, but you can never have too many defensemen.

Oh, wait, yes you can….

Leafs, the universe and everything.

by 1967ers on Oct 1, 2008 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

cox’s kool aide journalism is in fine form so far! he pulled his draft day article from the archive where he rips the leafs for getting schenn, what a chode. Go bills

by Johnny Thunder on Sep 30, 2008 8:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Welcome

Thanks for joining the site!

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by PPP on Oct 1, 2008 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

very nice picture

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by eyebleaf on Oct 1, 2008 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I love that the comments are getting more and more candid. Looking at the crap slung Cox’s way, I can’t imagine what’s not making it through their filters.

I also found Cox’s addendum way more interesting than the column.

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by mf37 on Sep 30, 2008 10:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Considering that barely a dozen comments are up I guess the poor moderators eyes are burning.

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by PPP on Oct 1, 2008 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wow, I missed that addendum the first time around. That was so snotty that I had to blow my nose after reading it.

Basic summary: Nobody understood what I was trying to say, and this must mean that my entire readership is stupid, but it’s clearly impossible that I did a poor job of writing.

Down Goes Brown - Because it's technically possible that things may get better before we all die.

by Down Goes Brown on Sep 30, 2008 10:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Nobody understood what I was trying to say, and this must mean that my entire readership is stupid, but it’s clearly impossible that I did a poor job of writing.

Here’s video of him writing his addendum.

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by PPP on Oct 1, 2008 8:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

This should have been his article…

dear huddled masses. You are all too stupid, so just trust me, I’m right. Love Coxsmith

Anybody throws me against the boards I'm gonna piss all over myself.

by blurr1974 on Oct 1, 2008 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

I LOL'ed

Until I realized he was serious.

I find Coxie’s justification for his arguments to be on a more slippery slope. He completely ignores the fact that the 2009 draft-pick involved in the trade was top-6 protected and as far as he’s concerned, the only reason for acquiring Schneider is no more then the Leaf’s going back on their old habit of trading picks/younger talent for aging players.

I believe a more viable, and REASONABLE explanation for Fletcher wanting to acquire Schneider is to find a veteran blue-liner to be the anchor for the Leaf’s defense corp because no one in their right mind is going to put Kubina or Kaberle in that role.

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by Winkle on Oct 1, 2008 9:04 AM EDT reply actions  

Keep in mind, Cox wrote in January that the Leafs’ entire strategy should revolve around getting top-five picks.

Since then, the Leafs trade up to get a top five pick and Cox has slammed the deal every chance he gets. Now they talk about a deal that would see them get a former #2 pick in exchange for a draft pick that would be specifically top-five protected. And he still hates it.

If I didn’t know any better, I’d say he’s just going to go negative on anything the Leafs do.

Nah…

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by Down Goes Brown on Oct 1, 2008 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, your comment was awesome. I bet he just uses that as proof that Leaf fans are doused in kool-aid.

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by PPP on Oct 1, 2008 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cox is feeling the heat

I was fascinated by the additional note Cox added. The fact that he is not posting critical comments and adding such notes is an indication that: 1) he is getting a lot of these comments and 2) they are getting to him. What is really interesting is that his comments are being analyzed and dissected much the same way as these scum journalist dissect every comment made by a Leaf player, coach or executive. I say just desserts!

by Pseudonym on Oct 1, 2008 12:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Cox Blocked

I submitted point-by-point rebuttal to Cox’s addendum over at “The Spin” and I’m shocked and stunned that my comment hasn’t been posted yet…

And curse you PPP! I vowed I wouldn’t not give the Sar my click throughs, eyeballs or a moment’s thought so long as they kept posting such crap. Thanks to you I surfed over to see the vomit that was Feschuk on Wilson’s Yankee analogy and now I’ve burned my eyes on Cox’s latest dribble.

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by mf37 on Oct 1, 2008 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Proofreader needed

Man, that last comment of mine just blew chunks in terms of proofing.

Missing an article in the first line…bizzaro double-negative to start the second para. Frankly, I blame the Toronto Star Sports department for this.

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by mf37 on Oct 1, 2008 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I blame society

Because Taking The Leafs Seriously Is Not An Option

by JaredFromLondon on Oct 1, 2008 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or should we blame the images on TV?

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by Chemmy on Oct 1, 2008 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

No

BLAME CANADA!
BLAME CANADA!
With all their hockey hullabaloo (and that bitch Anne Murray too)

Making stuff up since real Leafs news is far too depressing

by loser domi on Oct 1, 2008 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Your flapping heads are full of lies…

Anybody throws me against the boards I'm gonna piss all over myself.

by blurr1974 on Oct 1, 2008 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know, I know

I don’t want to but they keep teasing us with that drivel. I am not good at ignoring antagonism.

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by PPP on Oct 1, 2008 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

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