FTB - We're White, We're Blue, We're Drafting Higher Than You
by PPP on Jan 22, 2009 8:30 AM EST
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PrintEditor's Note: Here is the fourth and final FTB from our applicants. Please let us know what you think or we'll hire a Habs fan.
Consistently drawn to defeat like an unrepentant shoe fetishist, the Leafs have now only won one of their last eight games. ‘Tank for Tavares’ (also known as ‘Hiatus for Hedman’ and ‘Slide for…umm…Svensson-Paajarvi’) is in full swing and we’ll be watching the remainder of the season from behind the couch as the losing streak becomes as unprecedented as George W. Bush. Let’s see what kernels of comfort we can draw from the faithful.
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TSM has been busier than the official scorer when Cujo is playing. The sounds of barrels being scraped at sports desks all over city is here, whilst remembering that a high pick isn’t necessarily a panacea for all ills. And no matter how bad the next four/sixteen/twenty eight months get, at least JFJ isn't still on the payroll.
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Speaking of which, Eyebleaf wishes to challenge the mouth scruncher to a contest of suck.
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Dr Steve is digging in for the long haul and smacking down Cox at the same time.
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Kevin at BMR brings us exciting developments from the mythical kingdom of Long Island.
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Another trip down the reminiscing road, courtesy of Vintage Leafs.
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Alex Tran drops his science on those assembled concerning the Earl/Hamiltion trade.
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You want numbers that won't scare you? Check out these odds.
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Also, head over to the fanshot section where a lot of good stuff gets posted but missed because you're all too busy talking about bacon and nerd stuff.
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My concern
Is how much this losing streak will have an effect on the trade value of some of our trade-baited players like Kaberle, Poni, Antropov (I know PPP I know), and maybe even Stajan (I know LD I know)?
"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)
the only one the Leafs whose trade value has dropped significantly is the Vesa. Kaberle and Kubina may have dropped a little but probably not that much
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 22, 2009 8:55 AM EST up reply actions
Kubina
Probably not, but I think Kaberle’s dropped quite a bit, not Vesa-levels of dropping but quite significantly at the same time. Also I don’t think he’s going to be exactly hot-commodity during trade deadline… most teams are usually looking to fill in the gaps for the playoffs and Kabby’s playoff stats aren’t exactly stellar… 77 career playoff games and only 28 points… at least he’s +8, but I don’t recall him exactly standing out during the playoffs of yesteryear.
"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)
true, but any playoff bound team lacking a solid puck moving defenseman (are there any?) may be interested,
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 22, 2009 9:01 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed, however that’s not exactly a very high selling point, and certainly not a very valuable one alone…
I’m starting to get the feeling that Kaberle’s trade value is being hyped up by Leaf fans… he’s definitely worth something, but not nearly as much as everyone thought… unless he drastically picks up his play for the next month and a half there’s no way we’re going to get anywhere near a 1st round draft pick for him, 2nd round tops plus a player is probably the best we can expect at this point.
I have a feeling I’m going to sound like blurr come trade deadline incessantly repeating Jeff Carter over and over again.
"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)
DGB made a good point in a post of his about trade value: GMs won’t hold this season against Kaberle and Kubina as much as we think that they will. They’ve already put together a long track record as a elite defencemen.
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yeah, a bad season on a very bad team isn’t much against them considering there respective track records. Especially since neither have been glaringly terrible, like Toskala.
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 22, 2009 9:14 AM EST up reply actions
I hope so. I’m just not getting my hopes up for what kind of returns we’ll get for Kaberle.
Statistically though Kaberle is hardly an elite defencemen, for the last 2 seasons at least… he’s on pace this year to match his output last season… 53 points over 82 games with an overall rating of -8… right now he’s sitting at 29 points over 45 games with an overall rating of -10… and he’s supposed to be struggling this year. These are not numbers to be excited about.
"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)
Campbell 7G 23A +6
Lidstrom 7G 25A +16
Souray 12G 19A +1
McCabe 8G 12A +6
Weber 14G 18A +6
Phaneuf 4G 26A -9
Blake 7G 22A +13
Kaberle isn’t too far off any of these guys and all play for teams that are far better than the Leafs.
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 22, 2009 9:41 AM EST up reply actions
True
But at the same time, look at their +/- ratings… with the exception of Phaneuf, they all have either good to spectacular ratings… +13 and +16 is excellent… Kabby was at that level 5 years ago when he had his career best of +20.
I really don’t see us getting a first round pick for Kabby this year.
"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)
Plus/Minus
That’s a team stat. A guy on a good team will have a good +/-.
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also, Lidstrom and Blake are in that Super Elite echelon, which Kaberle admittedly isnt
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 22, 2009 9:50 AM EST up reply actions
Again
Agreed, but do you honestly believe the Leafs will get a 1st round draft pick from Kabby? I suppose it is possible, slight stretch but possible… 1st round pick + player? Hrm… that I can’t see happening.
"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)
depends where he goes, he might be worth a high first draft pick to a team that is pretty much guarenteed to go deep in the playoffs.
it gets difficult to predict for bubble teams because of how deep the draft is. but then, like its been said before, If Burke cant get what he wants for him at the deadline. He’ll wait till the draft when teams are desperate to improve from last year (Ottawa, the isladers, etc)
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 22, 2009 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
Has Ottawa traded with Toronto recently? I don’t recall much if any transactions between these two teams.
Kabby for high draft pick… that would take literally a “perfect storm” combination for that to happen…
"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)
well Ottawa was an example, a few teams like them will feel huge pressure to make the playoffs next year after missing it this year.
Toronto isnt one of em
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 22, 2009 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
yea but I can’t imagine Ottawa dealing with Toronto or vice versa
"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)
nah, me either. But a team like Atlanta or even the Blue jackets if they miss out or get ruined in the first round might be viable
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 22, 2009 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
Kabby for Kova/Nash?
"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)
god I wish, but that straight up is harder to believe than a 1st rounder.
maybe in a blockbuster 6 player deal or something
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 22, 2009 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
That was my futile attempt at sounding like less of a downer
"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)
start small
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 22, 2009 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
Tavares is more important than getting a return for any of those players.
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On the other hand, how much is Jason Blake’s value increasing? Is there enough time left for him to get into positive value, where we could take a seventh round pick for him and be done with the contract?
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by Down Goes Brown on Jan 22, 2009 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
we should trade him for Chad Kilger
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 22, 2009 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
i laaiked
how the FTB yesterday had the breakfast themed stuff. MAybe do a little something like that?
Making stuff up since real Leafs news is far too depressing
it is the most important meal of the day
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 22, 2009 9:00 AM EST up reply actions
lies
I have gone without breakfast for the better part of 6 years.
"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)
and you wonder why you are grumpy in the mornings
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 22, 2009 9:02 AM EST up reply actions
I tried the breakfast thing but learned that I would prefer the extra 30 minutes of sleep
"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)
I can’t really fault that, but I still need food in the morning or shit gets messed up
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 22, 2009 9:04 AM EST up reply actions
everyone’s different
another reason I don’t do breakfast, my digestive system is crazy, if I put food in it, I have to hit up the john immediately after I demolish a meal, and that just eats up more time and I hate having to pull over in the middle of a commute to find a washroom so I just skip it to avoid the whole trouble
"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)
I don’t really eat breakfast either.
Lunch, now that’s a meal.
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Coffee
counts as a meal, right? Anyways, I have 16 meals a day, all of ’em black.
by general borschevsky on Jan 22, 2009 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
I heart you
Cuz you make my coffee-drinking habit seem good
"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)
Me too
My stomach is rumbly in the morning.
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actually
what I said earlier, I meant do a little themed thing for the ftb
Making stuff up since real Leafs news is far too depressing
Excuse me I’ve been doing themes in the FTB for years.
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And I like them! What’s the matter ChemChem? you seem stressed and angry about something
Making stuff up since real Leafs news is far too depressing
Haha
ChemChem
Sounds like a pokemon
"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)
Chem Chem, Jammie attack!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 22, 2009 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
I sense the jammie hammer is twitching.
"It's not literally a Cradle of Filth - that would be horrible..."
You mean
The Jammie BAN Hammer
"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)
what are you doing sensing his Jammie Hammer?
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 22, 2009 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
Ahem
I work for the International Seismic Activity Authority……(?)
"It's not literally a Cradle of Filth - that would be horrible..."
I am assuming that in the Isles ‘hammer’ doesn’t have the same slang attachment it does here
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 22, 2009 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
Whoever did this FTB clearly hates me.
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by Down Goes Brown on Jan 22, 2009 10:03 AM EST reply actions
MYSTERY UNMASKED!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 22, 2009 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
It wasn’t me. Just spreading propaganda.
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Thick heads?
From the Globe:
Injured Toronto defenceman Mike Van Ryn … picked up on a humorous television report by CITY-TV personality Kathryn Humphreys on Tuesday in which she discussed the rather large head of Leafs tough guy Brad May.
Van Ryn measured the heads of his teammates and listed the rankings for the Leafs to see. He found out that several players were in May’s 24-inch (61-centimetre) neighbourhood.
That list would make an awesome piece of memorabilia.
by general borschevsky on Jan 22, 2009 10:19 AM EST reply actions
me thinks
karina fanshot this yesterday…
still, would be cool to get the list…
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by blurr1974 on Jan 22, 2009 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
I have a p big head.
I’m not talking about the one with ears ladies.
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Seriously though I have to wear a large hockey helmet expanded all the way. :(
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I wear New Era 7&5/8.
I have a bulbous, freak head. But it’s well proportioned.
A Toronto sports blog, where we unequivocally and unapologetically support the home team...
I have been genetically betrayed in a similar fashion.
"It's not literally a Cradle of Filth - that would be horrible..."
and I have a shaved head. with hair, I might be in OdinMercer territory.
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I’m probably an eight when my hair is long, but I just pull the hat on anyways.
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Jeez, i might hit a 7 1/4 with longer hair
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 22, 2009 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
complete with shaving scars
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 22, 2009 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
you know what they say about men with big heads. right?
it’s hard to find a fitting hat
Making stuff up since real Leafs news is far too depressing
It's true
Know how hard it is to find a size 8 fitted hat? Really near impossible. Grrr…
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by Travis Hair on Jan 22, 2009 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
damn, your all making me feel all selfconscious about my normal sized head
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 22, 2009 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
It’s only that big because of the AZ heat. Come up to Canada you’d be a 6 and a quarter.
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If I cut my hair
Super short I can do a 7 3/4
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by Travis Hair on Jan 22, 2009 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
oh yeah, sorry karina
That’s weird. Different article but the two paragraphs are the same.
Well, there were a lot of Fanshots yesterday and it kinda got lost in the shuffle. It was worth a second look, I guess.
by general borschevsky on Jan 22, 2009 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
she takes her position as fanShot Queen quite seriously you know…
:P
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by blurr1974 on Jan 22, 2009 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
don't worry
it’s easy to miss fan shots.
Just don’t let it happen again.
by Karina on Jan 22, 2009 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
Just don’t let it happen again.
What a bitch eh?
"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)
Easy
Newcomers are going to think it’s acceptable to call a woman a bitch here.
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Newcomers can try, they’ll need you to protect them from LD, Karina, Wrap, Mabel, tugboats, etc.
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There's a reason
Why I try to piss only one of them off at a time.
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Also if anyone else wants to know why I get paid the big bucks, please peruse the titles of last night’s game threads.
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I was more a fan of the pictures
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 22, 2009 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
The future is always better because it hasn't happened yet
If buyers are being rational, yes values may change during the season and they will seek to maximize their return. But we are talking human beings with emotions here. Rationality can take a hit when people panic. Sure the mantra is patience pays dividends. But people with patience and a plan make money in the stock market because other people panic, and buy low-sell high becomes buy high-sell low. The cost of risk declines, and it is possible to accumulate more potential winners. It is during these low leverage periods that buyers are looking to fill holes, and will take a greater chance on anybody who has shown that they can play that role. Eg. Vesa is not a starter but is an adequate back-up. (Think of how greed and high standards, via intoxication and peer pressure, turn into a fear of never getting laid again, which usually leads to poor choices)
So who are the players?
Seller- GM focused on buying low and selling high (versus buying high, then buying out), scouring the bushes for prospects than can play or serve as trade bait in long term,
waiting for moments where he has the most leverage (deadline and draft). GMs are an exclusive men’s club so think sober guy at last call in a bar full of pissed up women.
Buyers- teams needing to make such extra scratch in the playoffs to stay afloat, and an imminent decrease in salary cap favours cash light transactions- trade picks, dumping expendable role players and their salaries to gain UFAs. Second best choices would be guys with just a year left on their contracts. Think last call for pissed up guy and his choice of women.
Like any good car salesperson will tell you, the potential matches are multiple.
Yup
Also, check your e-mail.
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