Mike Van Ryn's Season Over
by Chemmy on Oct 16, 2009 10:48 AM EDT
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Update [16/10/09 10:47am]: via TSN's Darren Dreger
Leafs D-man, Mike Van Ryn will announce he's having knee surgery.
via AM640's Greg Brady:
One of [Van Ryn's] doctors believes he should have an osteotomy. It's what Yzerman had in '02.
I immediately said "What's an osteotomy" and then waddled off to Wikipedia (in my mind I'm very fat and Wikipedia is a physical place leave me alone) where I found the following:
An osteotomy is a surgical operation whereby a bone is cut to shorten, lengthen, or change its alignment. It is sometimes performed to correct a hallux valgus, or to straighten a bone that has healed crookedly following a fracture.
Due to the serious nature of this procedure, recovery may be extensive. Careful consultation with a physician is important in order to ensure proper planning during a recovery phase. Tools exist to assist recovering patients who may have non weight bearing requirements and include bedpans, dressing sticks, long-handled shoe-horns, grabbers/reachers and specialized walkers and wheelchairs.
So apparently one of Van Ryn's bones didn't heal right and he's likely going on the shelf for the rest of the year. Personally I thought Van Ryn was a good player whose usefulness was almost entirely negated by his injury troubles which made him a constant question mark in the lineup. Luckily for Mike he'll make $2.9M USD this year so he shouldn't have too much to worry about unless his investments were with Bernie Madoff.
A sad note for Van Ryn is that he's currently 47 games short of being eligible for an NHL pension. This has to be tough for the guy to swallow: he's a UFA this summer who's had constant injury problems. Mike Van Ryn is a talented NHL player who may have played his last game. On the other hand if his knee heals he might sign somewhere cheap and hopefully play at least half a season.
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LTI
means cap relief.
so there’s that…
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Was he not on that anyway? Was his deal counting against the Leafs this year?
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not sure he was on LTI. if so, never mind…
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I have no idea – just struck me that there has been no expectation of him returning to action, so maybe he has been there.
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Even then, wouldn’t the cap relief have just been six games worth so far? If he’s done, Leafs can now essentially budget to spend the entire $2.9M.
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by Down Goes Brown on Oct 15, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah Toronto will be able to spend $2.9M – (2.9*15/180) = ~$2.66M
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hmm, this could be decent for taking on a player for pick and salary dump player deal
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 15, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
he was already on LTIR along with Kessel I believe. Leafs have about 4.5 million in cap space, but will need to get up to 5.5 before Kessel comes back.
probably wont see Bozak up too much until the leafs can unload some salary then
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 15, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
why $5.5?
his contract would be prorated, wouldn’t it? he’s technically getting paid to be a Leaf right now…
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yah, plus his cap hit would be lower because of games played, so he starts november first his cap hit is only 90% or whatever of the full thing
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 15, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
i dont think shedding salary will be a problem, if the horrible play keeps up I think you’ll eventually see a contract sent down to the marlies or just put on waivers.
Mayers, Rosehill and Primeau would all be good candidates in my book to be waived/sent to the marlies if they need to fit Bozak and Kessel under the cap. It would probably only take one of them to do so, Rosehill being the most likely
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by Matt_Roberts on Oct 15, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Burke is definetly going to get rid of Blake one way or another
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 15, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
what’s the injury on Toskala….? is he only short term, or could it be long term as well?
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"tweaked knee"
10 days to 2 weeks.
by general borschevsky on Oct 15, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Given how that knee bent when he got hit, I couldn’t believe he stayed to finish that game.
Clearly he shouldn’t have.
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and totally fucked-up ego. That one could take months to heal.
I’m just wondering if running Toskala has kicked in any of Blake’s bonuses. It really should.
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by Mike Pelyk's Hairdo on Oct 16, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m still furious with Blake and I wonder if Toskala is as well. The bio-technology that went into redesigning the Vesa2010 took months and cost millions and Blake broke it before we even had a chance to turn it on and work out the kinks.
by general borschevsky on Oct 16, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
What I heard was week to 10 days.
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by CanadianMaple09 on Oct 15, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
couldnt it just be 10 weeks?
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by Matt_Roberts on Oct 15, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
couldn’t it just be 10 weeks years
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by CanadianMaple09 on Oct 15, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
well shit
Id still rather have an injured VanRy than a healthy McCabe though
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 15, 2009 2:17 PM EDT reply actions
That’s a shame. When we got him for McCabe I expected nothing, just someone with a bad contract. He was really useful when he could play.
Hope it works out for him.
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Yeah. Apparently he’s really injury prone. A guy on the Something Awful forums went to high school with Van Ryn who apparently always got hurt in hilarious ways.
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Yeah hilarious, like being hit from behind by Tom Kostopoulos! Gut-bustingly funny!
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by Sergei Puckizin on Oct 15, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve always liked van Ryn – even before we traded for him. Hopefully, this isn’t the end of his career.
by Blue and White Expat on Oct 15, 2009 2:19 PM EDT reply actions
It’s definitely the end of his Leafs career.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Oct 15, 2009 2:25 PM EDT reply actions
47 games is a long shot. How many did Yzerman manage to play after this procedure? Anyone know?
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Well, I know that there is 0 cartilage in his knee now. It is bone on bone.
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by Mike Pelyk's Hairdo on Oct 16, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
my dad’s left knee is completely void of cartilage from injuries in the 60s and 70s. He can only bend his knee about 40% due to arthritis. Right now, MVR is probably more concerned with avoiding long term issues than playing in the NHL again.
sounds like my dad
he’s actually getting injections of specially processed chicken fat to replace cartilage that he no longer has in his knees.
But then again, I suspect that MVR’s injury is way worse, because it’s Mike Van Ryn
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Wikipedia (the physical space in Chemmy’s fat mind) is saying Yzerman missed the first 66 games after his procedure. Difference being, Yzerman had a team to return to.
MVR won’t have that luxury.
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Yeah, the real unfortunate part of all this is the unlikely nature of Van Ryn being granted the NHL pension. Considering the horror stories of many players trying to restart their life after hockey, this is a serious issue for most athletes. Was it revealed anywhere if Van Ryn is fully recovered from his concussion?
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I’d be a little more concerned about this issue if he hadn’t already made $9 million since signing his last contract………….
I could live very, very comfortably for the rest of my life with 15% of that, let alone the final $3 million he’ll make this year.
"We've had an ongoing problem with Grabovski this year." Bob Gainey, 4/04/09
Most athletes don’t have that kind of money when their career ends. Furthermore, if they have to pay medical bills incurred over their playing career, that’s a significant amount of money that won’t be covered. Even with the pension, major injuries, especially those involving head injuries, are not nearly enough.
An athlete’s life is not the same as everyone else, so the millions of dollars they make seem huge, but only because you’re using that figure in comparison to your life.
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It’s $12 MILLION dollars, bk. No matter how you cut it, that’s a spectacular fortune. If he lives in Canada, all his base medical AFTER his hockey career is paid for. At a paltry 5% return on investment of say $8 million, he makes $400,000 a year for life, without ever touching the principal. Do you think Wendel Clark is approaching bankruptcy? Personal health care can be managed just fine with a very reasonable cost. And an ex-NHLer has doors open for him in ways that everyday citizens never will.
It’s insane to suggest that super wealthy athletes have it “bad”. Why don’t we poll PPPer’s and see what kind of suffering we would take for $12 million dollars? (and don’t forget that’s all in US dollars, btw)
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by kidkawartha on Oct 16, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed
but one of these days someone’s going to write a great story about all these guys and the cautionary tales of the ones who burn through their money.
Guys who come up for a cup of coffee, or guys from the bad old days, used to always be in dire straits near the end. You would think that anyone could manage to find some way to save something once you get into the millions-of-dollars level, but many dont.
I think it’s education. No offense, but so many of them have focused on nothing else but playing since they were 13 years old in Kamloops. Someone gives them a dumptruck of money and they dont know any better. They “invest” in their idiot cousin’s auto dealership. Or their shit-for-brains best friend’s sports bar.
Or their financial advisors just out and out screw them. For Pete’s sake, Sergei Fedorov declarde bankruptcy. He got fleeced for some $40 million, he claims.
As for MVR, I like him. Like 67ers, I was pleased as punch when they got an actual player back in the McCabe salary dump. I’d bet he’s a Burke guy, too, so I wouldnt’ rule out Burke taking a flyer on him as a UFA again. At a much reduced salary, for sure.
I’m sure he’s as aware of the pension requirement as we all are, so I wouldn’t be surprised if he bit.
I like him too, pevans. And I think he got the short end of the stick. But I won’t have a single bit of compassion for someone who gets showered with cash for playing a game they love and then blows it all.
I broke my shoulder, my back and one of knees while working, and not one of my employers paid a single penny towards my rehab, let alone game me instantaneous access to the best surgical skill money can buy. Living on $470 a month after rent and managing my own health care at the same time doesn’t exactly fill me with compassion for multi-millionaires.
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Well they SHOULD fricking pay
if they caused your injuries. I’m surprised there isn’t a straight up legal obligation to tap them on, but if there isn’t, this is why god invented tort law and civil courts. For all the stories of outrageous litigation you here, and people suing for emotional trauma when their gerbil dies, injruing the crap out of someone, then sticking them with the bills is NOT cool, and exactly the type of thing the civil law system is for.
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There was a great article in Sports Illustrated at some point in the last year or so about how many pro athletes end up falling on hard times and the reasons for this phenomenon (one stat from the article: by the time they’ve been retired for two years, 78% of NFL players are either bankrupt or under financial stress). If I recall correctly, (I haven’t re-read the article since finding the link on Google) according to the author, much of the trouble is related to the singular focus of the athlete on performing in his/her sport. Add to that the personal isolation and natural mistrust of strangers that arises from sudden fame, and the athletes tend to rely basically completely in these matters on someone they know – an uncle who is supposed to be “good with money” (manages to pay off his credit cards every now and then), for example, or a friend. Generally speaking, those people are not properly credentialed or educated to handle the large sums of money and complicated financial transactions that are par for the course. Not surprisingly, they get taken to the cleaners, invest unwisely and fail to properly arrange the athlete’s affairs to ensure continuing financial security for life.
It’s sad the kind of situations these guys end up in as a result. Personally, I think Theoren Fleury’s recent comeback attempt has as much to do with his financial troubles – without Fleury recently trying to make it back to the NHL, does his recent book release hit the radar as much as it has in the past few weeks? If Theoren weren’t in significant financial trouble, would he have “written” the book and finally disclosed that he was a victim of Graham James? If Fleury is going public about these things in order to put food on the table, isn’t that heartbreakingly tragic?
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I’m hopeful that the rise of the NCAA as a legit alternative for hockey prospects might help.
The sure-thing 1st rounders generally go the CHL route still, but it’s encouraging taht the second tier ones are at least attempting to get business degrees from Boston College while they wait for their 3rd round selections
Again, you’re seeing this as a regular citizen. No one is suggesting you work less or you don’t deserve it more than other people. But you don’t make revenue for other people. You’re not selling tickets for what you do. You’re not in an industry tht has people plunk tons of money to watch. Of course, people won’t have sympathy for multi-million dollar athletes. I don’t expect people to have sympathy. But the fact of the matter is, most athletes don’t leave in a life of luxury after playing career is over. It simply doesn’t happen, whether it be poor investments, little common sense, selfish friends/relatives/investors, and life-debilitating injuries.
I’m not sure where you got $12 million as a figure, but either way, you don’t live the same way as athletes do. Having loads of money on your current lifestyle isn’t the same as the life most athletes live. You don’t have to sympathize for them, but you do have to understand not everything is equalized. Our lives are not remotely close to the life sports athletes live.
Personal health care for athletes that have pension and no serious injury is far different than those who are career minor-leaguers or those who suffered a career-ending injury.
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Links to what I'm trying to convey
1) http://www.liberalorder.com/2009/09/professional-athletes-and-the-prevalence-of-bankruptcy.html
2) http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3469271
3) http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/super/2006-01-28-retirement-perils_x.htm
4) http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/sports/setforlife/index.html
5) http://www.askmen.com/sports/business_100/109_sports_business.html
6) http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=dw-retiredplayers013007&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
7) http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/bal-sp.nfl702,0,989947.story
8) http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/03/sports/football/03dementia.html
A quick search on google came up with a ton of articles in regards to financial difficulties facing many athletes, whether by stupid decisions or the more relevant issue to Mike Van Ryn (though it’s a thin connection), long-term injuries, specifically head injuries. Obviously, the simple answer is, “they should have been smarter with their money”. And yes, for the large part that is the case. But let’s be honest, “regular” people never had the amount of money to deal with the support system athletes suddenly have when they get even a little bit of money. The NHL is a little different from most sports, since there isn’t a significant amount of impoverished lower-class citizens who use sports as their only escape from their past life, but a lack of education and life skills don’t breed the same sense of fiscal responsibility as most non-athletes learn gradually.
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@bkblades: well said.
Check out the link to the SI article I posted up above. I think you’ll find it is right on point. And we
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ARGH!! delete the “And we” from the end of that last comment. Friday afternoon!!!!1
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You make a good argument bkblades, but I see things like the links below and all of my sympathy dissolves. They spend like crazy when they’re making millions a year, not thinking of the obvious… their career will be over by the time they’re 40 at best and all that income dries up. It’s their own fault if they end up with nothing, as you alluded to.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5piB3yuWIY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ao0yuYcYUGY
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by CanadianMaple09 on Oct 16, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Again, you’re seeing this as a regular citizen.
As opposed to what? Some one who is so unfortunate that he is raised in a country with extremely high education standards who is then so unlucky that he hits the sports skill lottery for millions of dollars?
Our lives are not remotely close to the life sports athletes live.
You got that right. Of the travel, medical, food, equipment, training and development costs that an athlete incurs, how much of it do they pay themselves?
But you don’t make revenue for other people.
That’s just…….I can’t even find the word for it. Approx. 95% of my monthly income goes directly into the local economy. Can Van Ryn say the same about his? Oh, right, he’s more important to the overall economy than I am because, well, because he plays hockey! Although I’m fairly sure my brother, when he retires as a teacher, will appreciate Mike’s contributions to the economy.
I’m not sure where you got $12 million as a figure
Here? And that’s just his current contract.
And this whole thing is made out of the possibility that Van Ryn may have blown that massive amount of money instead of saving a reasonable and healthy amount, in ways that I’m supposed to feel compassion for. Not going to happen. It’s nothing personal against Van Ryn or any other professional athlete, but what is happening here is the textbook definition of “coddling”. MLSE will make sure Mike receives the very best care through this time as money can buy, and when it’s over and he retires, if he hasn’t made even the simplest of plans to manage the rest of his life while sitting on a fortune, well, that’s just too bad.
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bk-
I’m not trying to get in a tangle with you here- I generally love your insights and commentary on PPP, as I’m sure you’re aware.
But this issue just drives me nuts. The false worship of athletes/celebrities or the bending over backwards to make excuses for their stupidity/short-sightedness I just can’t get my head around.
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No worries, KK. I’ve had many arguments about many issues and I can’t recall the last time I got personal with anyone over it. I may disagree with people, but I separate the person from the argument. Debates don’t happen when you can’t differentiate between the two.
Anyway, I sent an e-mail to you as a response. I’m way off topic here and I’m sorry to the site and those reading for straying so far into an issue that isn’t relevant here or appropriate. If there is a need to delete some of my posts, I understand completely.
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 16, 2009 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions
According to hockey db, Yzerman played 171 game after the surgery:
‘02-’03 – 16, 4
‘03-’04 – 75, 11
‘04-’05 – 61, 4
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but he was signed and a demi-god in Detroit. he had somewhere to go, nothing to prove, and enough skill to convert himself into something other than a scoring forward.
I like MVR, but I can’t see how any team will take a chance on him now…
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yzerman played 65 games during the lockout…?
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by Matt_Roberts on Oct 16, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
he is a dedicated man
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 16, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Crappy. :(
Who did he piss off in a former life to have this bad luck/karma/whatever with injuries?
On another note… can we find a doctor that can convince Vesa that he needs one of these procedures too?
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by Chemmy on Oct 15, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
inflammable means flammable? what a country
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 15, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
“We’ll if isn’t my old friend, Michael Van Ryn,
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by general borschevsky on Oct 15, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Doctor: Mr. Toskala, we’ve reviewed your x-rays, and it appears you have boneitis.
Vesa: Haaaiiiii guy. i wuz joost hair foor a hank null.
Doctor: Be that as it may, we’re going to have to cut off your legs.
Vesa: Boot mai hookey car-ear vills bee oover. i caint mac saives wit no laigs
Docter: You “cain’t mac saives” now…
Vesa: Too-chay
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by blurr1974 on Oct 15, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 12 recs
I know MVR a little (not really what my name implies), and I feel really bad for him. He’s had a lot of tough breaks in his career. Last year he was really looking impressive.
Shame.
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Oct 15, 2009 2:39 PM EDT reply actions
Yeah he seems like a player that could really help us. Unfortunately he’s hurt too much to commit resources to him in a salary cap world.
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does this all date back to the Kostopolous hit?
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Yes
And the slew foot against the Oilers.
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He definitely had injury problems in Florida as well, but the Kostopolous hit kinda reaggravated that. He looked really healthy before then to start the season.
by FiftyMissionCap on Oct 15, 2009 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Poor MVR
Over 3 years he’s had wrist surgery, a torn MCL, 2 concussions, a foot injury, and now an osteonomy… if this is the end of his career i feel real sorry for him.
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Oct 15, 2009 6:16 PM EDT reply actions
So apparently one of Van Ryn’s bones didn’t heal right and he’s likely going on the shelf for the rest of the year.
If that is indeed the case, wouldn’t it be a lot easier to just re-break the fracture and set it right?
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depends on the location of the break, if its near a joint it gets very tricky and surgery is usually the only solution
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 15, 2009 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Tough deal. I hope MVR makes it back next year. I thought he played well when he was healthy.
by Rock Outta SoCal on Oct 16, 2009 1:34 AM EDT reply actions
he may, but not in toronto, its the last year of his contract and i dont think burke will resign
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 16, 2009 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions
So....
…am I right that MVR essentially suffered an injury…while healing?
Lord God and Sonny Jesus in a sidecar that is the very fucking definition of “snakebit.”
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agreed.
“MVR, the career you’ve built your entire life towards will be put on hold again because your body is failsauce.”
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Oct 16, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
“….now please go outside before your bones explode in MY face and injure ME.”
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by jrwendelman on Oct 16, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wait so.....
If we put him on long term injury (like Jersey did with Almo) and his contract won’t count against the cap, can we use the space to speed up Tuckers buyout?
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words that end in “tomy” as in Osteotomy mean to cut Osteo=bone tomy=cut.(Phlebotomy is the $25 way of saying “drawing blood”).
Words that end in “ectomy” as in “tonsilectomy” or “appendectomy” means to remove or cut out.
Words that end in “stomy” mean to make an artificial hole – as in “colostomy” or “tracheostomy”
If you’re a total geek like me, you can even make up new words (neologisms) from these latin suffixes:
It seems too many goals have gotten in as a result of the Toskalastomy.
I’m hoping the Leaf roster undergoes a Toskalaectomy or a Blakectomy since we didn’t have a proper Toskalatomy or Blaketomy at the end of training camp.
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by mf37 on Oct 16, 2009 11:27 AM EDT reply actions 6 recs
Rec’d. :)
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by kidkawartha on Oct 16, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
a suckectomy
is what’s needed, then, in my non-expert non-medical opinion
I touched my sister’s osteo-ostomy. Go Flyers!!
"I'd walk into the Leafs dressing room to get ready for the day and Harold would be there in his boxer shorts shaving. King Clancy would drop by a little later, play the fool, and then head off to the racetrack." John Brophy
by Mike Pelyk's Hairdo on Oct 16, 2009 1:38 PM EDT reply actions
reply fail … oops
"I'd walk into the Leafs dressing room to get ready for the day and Harold would be there in his boxer shorts shaving. King Clancy would drop by a little later, play the fool, and then head off to the racetrack." John Brophy
by Mike Pelyk's Hairdo on Oct 16, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
The internets are complicated- Go Flyers!!!1
;)
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fucking Al Gore
"I'd walk into the Leafs dressing room to get ready for the day and Harold would be there in his boxer shorts shaving. King Clancy would drop by a little later, play the fool, and then head off to the racetrack." John Brophy
by Mike Pelyk's Hairdo on Oct 16, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
eeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwww!!!
Identical to Sergei Berezin in every way, only 1/10 his size.
From Russia with GLOVE SIDE!
by Sergei Puckizin on Oct 16, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
So McCabe for a 4th round pick.
Its really not hard to believe we are the worst team in the NHL.
by penaltyshots on Oct 16, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
you forgot getting out from under that boat anchor of a contract
McCabe was terrible, and getting worse, he needed to be moved
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 16, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I would have dumped him for nothing ala Alex Rios if we could have.
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exactly
and you cant cal this a bad move on the GMs part, how the hell was he supposed to know he would be the victim of savage cheap shots on three separate occasions?
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 16, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Other teams move their players for assets
like what we gave up for Raycroft and Toskala, both equally as bad as McCabe. We don’t get assetts in return, thus we SUCK!
by penaltyshots on Oct 16, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually Raycroft and Toskala
are far worse than McCabe.
by penaltyshots on Oct 16, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, but most GMs arnt as terrible or panic ridden as JFJ, deals like that only happen when someone is desperate for your product.
no one was desperate for a grossly over payed defensive liability with nothing but a slapshot and questionable hair .
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 16, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, well at least Toskala doesn't score OT goals on himself.
Wait….
Pumps out more male with one thrust of the pelvis than the United States postal service over the last 146 years.
I would have given him up for nothing. I was pleased as hell that we got a dman like Van Ryn. It is too bad he couldn’t stay healthy.
But just getting rid of that contract was worth it.
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yeah, he cost us McCabe, and if VanRyan had been luckier the leafs would have won that deal handily
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 16, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm sorry, but luck has absolutely nothing to do with where we are at.
by penaltyshots on Oct 16, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
how so? how were any of VanRyans injuries as a leaf projected before the deal?
he was ambushed from behind and had his head driven into the endboards, then he was elbowed in the head reagravating that, then he was sloo-footed and messed up his leg
any one of those could happen to any NHL player any game. It is unfortunate. Sure that makes florida the “winner” in this trade, but it doesnt make it a bad one
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 16, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, it does
If Van Ryn’s healthy he’d be miles better than McCabe.
Injuries from dirty hits happen.
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i find it hilarious that McCabe is Floridas captain….
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Oct 16, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
they just love ex leafs in florida….. it must be so fucking twisted down there…
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Oct 16, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Atlanta, too. And Maurice is coaching in Carolina.
Basically the Southeast Division is just one big ex-Leaf retirement home.
by FiftyMissionCap on Oct 16, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Niewy and Roberts went down there too…
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Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Oct 16, 2009 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions
You're Totally Right
How dare Cliff Fletcher not realize that Van Ryn was going to be checked from behind into the 9th row by some annonymous forward who’s the only guy in the NHL who out-Greeks Nick Kypreos.
Resident Capologist
Don’t forget his lack of foresight in predicting that Marc Pouliot would slewfoot Mike Van Ryn and once again wreck the same knee.
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How dare you forget the infamous Nikos Tselios.
by FiftyMissionCap on Oct 17, 2009 4:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Splodeybones #2 for you guys
Sorry. I must be the atmosphere because the one we got from you hasn’t had any problems. Knock wood
now you’ve done it, next game he’s toast
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 17, 2009 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions
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