Schenn might sit on Saturday
He is rotating in and out at practice. Personally, I think this would be a good move. This will give him and the rest of the team a shake up
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Kabs/Komi
Beauch/White
XLB/Finger
Shame that Luke’s started the season off a little slow but I’m loving how the left D’s and the right D’s are matched up together. Just feels proper.
exelby should never play another game in a leafs uni, id rather they call up big phil
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
no sir….I dont like it
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 12:54 PM EDT reply actions
Personally, he isn’t bigger than anyone else on this team. He is struggling big time out there, and Burke promised to abolish the “Sense of entitlement” and there is no better place to do that, than with Luke Schenn
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yeah, im sure he’ll respond well, i just dont like it
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
If Kaberle can be benched...
so can Luke Schenn.
Clearly, Luke needs to turn his SWAG ONNNNNNNNNN
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by theothervatican on Oct 22, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
definatley
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by Matt_Roberts on Oct 22, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
i dont see how they could possibley feel that having XLB in the lineup gives them a better chance to win over Schenn
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hmm
I have enough confidence in Finger that I think he can clean up after XLB
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by Karina on Oct 22, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Better get an industrial sized pooper scooper.
-Graham-
by CanadianMaple09 on Oct 23, 2009 2:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Don’t like it, but he needs to pick it up. Not sure I love the idea of XLB getting the time, though, but I guess it’s gotta be filled somehow
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by blindfolded tank driver on Oct 22, 2009 1:00 PM EDT reply actions
frogren, oresevich, gunnar, Mikus
anyone but exelby
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I like Oreskovic! Before the 3 new dmen came on board, I was hoping he was gonna get a shot
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Big Phil is great, and improving. but I think one of the 2 swedes should get a shot
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by blindfolded tank driver on Oct 22, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
only because they bring some offense
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Frogren got his shot last year, Gunnarson and Phil deserve it over him IMO. I never liked Frogren to be honest
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by general borschevsky on Oct 22, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd prefer
to have him out there laying the big hits, he doesn’t get out of position like Exelby
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by Karina on Oct 22, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I dont remember once seeing Frogren laying out someone with a big hit.
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he didnt toss people across the ice with hipchecks or anything, but he was rarely beaten on the outside and he is a warrior in front of the net
the leafs need that
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes that I will give you. I dunno, there was just something I wasn’t fond of with him
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he is fucking brutal with the puck, for one
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
and he is slooooooow, when he is caught out of positiong (although it is rare) he is truly hooped at getting back into the play
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Frogren does 3 things very well. His positioning is usually sound, but that’s easy for a stay-at-home defenceman. Another thing he does well is make contact with the player he’s pursuing. It’s very hard to get around Frogren without him getting his hip, shoulder, elbow, stcik, glove, something – anything – in the way to slow you down or knock you off balance slightly.
He also blocks shots with fearless abandon.
One thing he does not do well is move the puck through the nuetral zone. He doesn’t seem to have that skill at an NHL level and I think it kills his ability to be out there.
by general borschevsky on Oct 22, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
GB his shot blocking is fuckin awesome, and I forgot about that. Look at the game a few weeks back against the Pens and look at what Jay McKee does with his shot blocking. Leafs aren’t doing that
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yah,white and Komi are pretty much the only one blocking shots with consistency
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
shouldnt someone tell Exelby that if he wants to keep his job he had better start blocking shots and doing that sort of thing. I dont see any reason why Frogren would be a better NHLer than XLB, XLB can rub guys out as well as anyone, he plays tough and should be laying his body on the line.
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by Matt_Roberts on Oct 22, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
exelby has what I call an hitdiction, he is addicted to making that big hit because it gets him on the highlights and gets him talked about. I knew a ton of guys while playing that just werent that talented, but they were big and solid and could hit, so all they would do is hit hit hit because it got them recognition
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
cant wilson just tell him “Hey Garnett, take it easy with the whole running your ass to the other end of the rink and leaving your partner alone to defend a 2 on 1 and just play it safe, block shots and clear the net”
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by Matt_Roberts on Oct 22, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
he probably could, but then when he’s on the ice and someone is opening themself up to get flattened all his instincts scream HITHIHTIHTITHITHITTIHHTITH
and he goes for it
every.fucking.time
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
yea…. it would be nice to see at least 1 huge dirty hit from him before he leaves town
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by Matt_Roberts on Oct 22, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
exactly
XLB is a three on one waiting to happen.
he makes the hit “YEeaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhooooooohhhnnnnnnnnnoooooooooo” is the sound i make
well fuck…. im pretty sure we could have gogten more for Kubina than a 3 on 1 machine….. even if Kubin had a huge contract
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by Matt_Roberts on Oct 22, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
probably, but meh, its done
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
it got us Komisarek and Beauchemin.
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by Karina on Oct 22, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
technoviking is alright. And honestly he’ll be ahead of big Phil for the callup. Gunnar though, he should get up here.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Oct 22, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd say it's pretty fair
Since Oreskovic is still only 23 and has 122 AHL games of experience, but Frogren is 29 and has 508 games in the Swedish Elite League.
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Oreskovic
got his shot last year also.
Frogren is better positionally than Oreskovic, and he frankly was the Leafs best defensive D man last season… including Schenn and Finger on that list.
If you go back and look up the zone shift stuff, and the fact that he regularly started in the defensive rather than the offensive zone, you begin to realize that Frogren is awesome in his own end. He hits, he blocks shots, and he KNOCKS guys on their ass in front of the net. He doesn’t let players skate through the crease without hitting them.
The Leafs need more of that from someone OTHER than Komisarek.
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed, had he not been waiver exempt and way behind on salary without the offensive prowess (white) to justify staying he would have gotten more leaf time.
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
hence my continued confusion as to why he’s in the AHL, while Exelby keeps drawing into the lineup up here…
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by Karina on Oct 22, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
ooooh great, NOW that the leafs cant score this year the media is bringing up how they were 10th last year
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 1:09 PM EDT reply actions
oh i did, i was just wondering how it took this long
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
oh god, they are listing of players on the leafs and then saying “NO GOAL” like its a huge surprise “Mayers NO GOAL” are you kidding me? im surprised they didnt say TOSKALA NO GOAL!!
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
i cant fucking beleive Kessel still have NO GOAL
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Harold Ballard NO GOAL
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Sundin NO GOAL!
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by Matt_Roberts on Oct 22, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
JASON BLAKE 1 GOAL!!!!!!!1
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OH BABY!
NO GOAL
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Who the fuck is Tim Brent and why doesn’t he have a goal?
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Tim Brent centres my top line on the marlies in NHL 10
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by Matt_Roberts on Oct 22, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
i tried… he centres Tlusty and Stefanovich
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by Matt_Roberts on Oct 22, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
two first names always makes a great hockey name
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jason blake
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by Matt_Roberts on Oct 22, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
batman
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Ron Wilson
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by Matt_Roberts on Oct 22, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
and it has come full circle
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
i created Stefanovich, Stalberg and Bozak when i got the game
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by Matt_Roberts on Oct 22, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Tim Brent
was drafted by the Ducks… TWICE.
They selected him in the 2nd round in 2002. Didn’t get him signed, so he went back to the draft… and they picked him again in the 3rd round in 2004.
I guess they REALLY liked him.
He’s had two very good AHL seasons, and he’s been productive in the Calder Cup playoffs… he’s played 18 games in the NHL, and produced exactly 1 goal and zero assists. He will likely never make the Leafs at the rate he’s produced in the NHL.
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
andy rocks
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Lazy ass bear! He’s gotta stop Blaking it out there
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by blindfolded tank driver on Oct 22, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
i wish they would just get rid of that stupid bear…. bring in something more truculent…. like Wendel Clark
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by Matt_Roberts on Oct 22, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
polar bears are very truculent
no one is as truculent as wendel though
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Conne Smythe was
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Father Conne
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by Matt_Roberts on Oct 22, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I remember spending way too long thinking about which NHL mascot would win a fight. It boils down to Carlton (polar bear) vs. Sharky (I’m too lazy to look up the San Jose masots name). So it’s the stupid bear vs. shark argument.
But, but polar bears have some ability against aquatic animals (seals), while sharks don’t have that against land animals. (They sure can mess up a seal, but that’s easy when you’re a shark.)
Carlton wins then, in a split decision.
by Its Cold In Here on Oct 22, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Amen
I’d rather not see Schenn in the press box because I like him, but it’s about the team, not one guy. If Wilson decided it’s the right thing to do I’ll support it.
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fine with me
i think he’s a big enough boy to handle it.
i don’t think he has any sort of “sense of entitlement” and knows his play has been subpar, so I figure he will respond well. If it doesn’t, I want to know that at this stage in his career too.
He might be the future but the fact is his present has been unacceptable.
Given that this is the first time he’s been benched since he was probably 10 years old, I dunno. for some reason i think this is good for him.
it builds character, sorta like shoveling snow
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and walking to school
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by Matt_Roberts on Oct 22, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
uphill both ways
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by Karina on Oct 22, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
while shoveling snow with no boots
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while carrying a 80 pound pack
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by blindfolded tank driver on Oct 22, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
and only a cigerette for lunch
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definitely a Quebecois delicacy
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thats my lunch everyday
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by Matt_Roberts on Oct 22, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
They should send Schenn to the minors
So he can be spared the ridiculousness of the over analysis taking place on behalf of the current morons in the MSM and the local fan base.
He’s not playing any worse than 75% of the other guys on the team, he just happens to be a victim because of his lofty draft status and his HUGE expectations.
Why burden him with that now. Frankly they shouldn’t have burdened him with it last year, and like I said all of last year’s pre-season, they should have sent him back to Junior to play with Tyler Myers and win a Memorial Cup….
now it’s too little too late.
Oh well.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
If it helps the Leafs....
then I’m all for it.
But, I’m expecting about a bajillion articles from the MSM and a few random comments from chirpers about how Schenn sucks because he sat for a game…
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he is now a waste of a 5th overall pick
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shoulda drafted Filitov, who has yet to secure an NHL roster spot
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by Marc Pilgrim on Oct 22, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
If you could, would you trade Kaberle for a 1st round pick near the bottom of the first round (say 25th -30th overall) at the dealine this year?
Im not even sure anyone would do that, but if you could, would you?
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by blurr1974 on Oct 22, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
yes
Think about this for a second…..
Move Kaberle at the deadline for a first, and resign White immediately afterwards for around $1.75 – 2.25 million for 3 years as the puck moving defenseman. That effectively frees up another $2 million to use in free agency to sign a big name forward.
Kaberle is gone come summer of 2011, so might as well get what you can for him now while the getting’s good.
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by blurr1974 on Oct 22, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
While I figure next year is the Leafs’ summer for free agency. Getting rid of Kaberle the year after does nothing for the Leafs as he’s the only UFA being lost then, and there are only 2 RFAs to resign: Schenn, and Stalberg. Rosehill and Reimer’s contracts are also up, but I see little chance they are signed to anything more than the Marlies.
To maximize the “loss” of Kaberle, I think you have to move him before next summer’s free agency.
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Ditto
I think he’s been a gem of an 8th round pick, and whatever you’d get in trade for him, will be far greater the sooner you trade him. He outperforms that contract .
it’s a tough thing to say, but if he decides he wants $5.5-$6M per, is he REALLY worth that much to the team?
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by blurr1974 on Oct 22, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Worth that much to a team? Yes
Worth that much to the Leafs? No
I say that because he doesn’t fit Burke’s mold for the team with his, hopefully someday, punishing blueline of Komi, Beauchemin, Schenn and the gang.
Spend top dollar on scoring forwards, not defensemen. Mike Green excluded.
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wait what?
you want Mike Green??
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by Karina on Oct 22, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
no, just saying that he goes against the convention that you sign forwards for scoring purposes.
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Any idea what puck moving blueliners are available this coming summer besides Gonchar?
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by Matt_Roberts on Oct 22, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
no idea
I just want Duncan Keith. Badly.
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by Karina on Oct 22, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Too bad he’s an RFA and we don’t have a 1st rounder for 2011…..
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I hear Brian Campbell can be had…
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I still
laugh at how mad Scotty Bowman was last playoffs….
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by Karina on Oct 22, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
No right team will want Campbell right now. But hey, didn’t stop Chicago from offering a ridiculous deal that is crippling their franchise right now. If anything, Barker is the one who’s going to be traded and Chicago will keep their trifecta of d-men.
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Barker would be sweet. he’s HUGE!
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by blurr1974 on Oct 22, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
indeed
but have you SEEN Keith?
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by Karina on Oct 22, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
question, would you take on campbells contract if it ment you could get Keith ?
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
no
because I’d have no money for any other defensemen.
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by Karina on Oct 22, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
also the leafs dont really have any room on the blue line
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Having said all that, I would trade any of the Leafs defenceman straight up for Keith or Seabrook in a heartbeat. Schenn, I may hesitate, but I think Seabrook is what Schenn should aspire to be anyway.
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I'd take
Campbell if they sent him down on waivers and we only had to pay half his salary.
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by Karina on Oct 22, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
then burke could net something for Kabby, at the very least quite decent prospect
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I think a lot of teams would, since Campbell at half-price is way more attractive than his current price for sure. Maybe even Buffalo takes him back now.
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quite true, but since the leafs are dead last, they get first dibs at waiver pickups
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
here’s a question – would you trade them kabby for Campbell and Beach?
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by Karina on Oct 22, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Kyle Beach is a nasty little piece of work….id be very tempted
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
powerforward with a mean edge…
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by Karina on Oct 22, 2009 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
he’s a little dirty by reputation, but he is a very skilled player to go with the physical stuff, but he is also one of chicagos best prospects, i think they’d be more likely to offer a younger roster player like Versteeg or a pick first
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Versteeg or a pick sounds likely as well. I haven an inkling that Chicago wants Beach around to replace Byfuglien soon and free up cap space there. Patrick Sharp is also another guy I see the ’Hawks moving when Hossa comes back.
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I could
easily see Byfuglien as a Leaf.
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by Karina on Oct 22, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
the leafs could use him in front of the other teams goalie
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Especially
once Blake gets injured on a Komikazee mission into Carey Price’s groin.
I'm not even supposed to be here today..!
can you go on the IR for herpes?
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Byfuglien is probably seeking a Penner type deal. I’m not sure if he’s worth that type of money, never mind Penner.
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penner has more offensive upside than fuglyman
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd think he's looking more at like
a Ryan Malone type deal…
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Penner's living up to it at this point
He got the money before he should have, but he’s a good hockey player.
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
id take todays penner on the leafs in a hearbeat
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
from what
I’ve seen of him this year, he’s really added an extra step to his game, looked very dynamic
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by Karina on Oct 22, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
he seems to have drive again, last year he looked out of it
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Penner has looked good, as has Patrick O’Sullivan. But I don’t see Byfuglien worth Penner money when Penner himself is only matching his contract, at least on a purely statistical basis, this year.
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by blurr1974 on Oct 22, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I have no idea if a contract is given to a player for other characteristics, such as locker room presence, blocking shots, the so-called intangibles. I mean, for all intents and purposes, Colton Orr isn’t really worth a $1 million over 4 years, but that contract isn’t based on his offensive totals.
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$1M per for a heavyweight is the going rate.
Laraque – $1.5
Fedoruk – $1M
Boogard – $950k
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by blurr1974 on Oct 22, 2009 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
sorry
i’m just curious. i’ve heard the “intangibles” word thrown around before, but wasn’t sure if that’s what you were getting at.
i don’t know if folks get paid for intangibles or not, just curious on your opinion. wonder how one could figure that out…
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by blurr1974 on Oct 22, 2009 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
No, you’re saying what I meant in a more hashed out and detailed manner, so you’re right. $1 million or so for enforcers who barely play 7 minutes a hockey game aren’t being paid for their stats per se. As such, Byfuglien isn’t an enforcer, but he’s not a big-time goalscorer yet either. I just don’t know if I want to overpay him for that chance to become a big time goalscorer when he’s more an above average enforcer/“power forward”.
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
ya
i get the feeling Buff is being paid for his potential, as a HUGE body with some offensive upside.
if he can figure out what Penner is doing to utilize his size and skills, he’d be a bargain, but as of right now, he’s just a REALLY HUGE guy
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by blurr1974 on Oct 22, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
didn’t he already have a 30 goal season?
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by Karina on Oct 22, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Buff?
or Penner?
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by blurr1974 on Oct 22, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Neither
so I’m not sure who we’re talking about.
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Penner's career high
was 29.
Horton has more as his career high, but he’s paid less money… and people think he’d be a waste on the Leafs… anyone else find that strange? I might be alone here.
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
out of the three Id take Horton by a landslide
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
i’ve never heard that “Horton would be a waste” theory.
it sounds ridiculous none the less.
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by blurr1974 on Oct 22, 2009 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
that's what i thought
Penner put up 29 with the ducks.
that’s as close to 30 as you can get…
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by blurr1974 on Oct 22, 2009 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
31 is pretty close too
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I like this proposal. And Chicago has another forward in Alex Aliu who is similar to Beach as well. I would probably push for a Campbell + Jack Skille trade, but I doubt Chicago goes for that one.
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Dave Bolland would be sweet. He’s kind of like Staal: a 1st or 2nd centre playing on the 3rd line. He would be great with Kessel. Seems to me Chicago could be convinced to give up Buff or Bolland, or one of their young forwards who they forgot to sign. Their gonna need some cap relief at some point. Matt Stajan costs about half as much as those guys, and would not be too much of a downgrade on the Hawks’ 3rd line.
by Leaf in Habland on Oct 22, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
i have
and he’s fantastic, but of the two, i’d agree with bk, barker could be the odd man out.
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by blurr1974 on Oct 22, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
he may be more likely to become available…
but man, I have massive love for Keith right now.
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by Karina on Oct 22, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
6’3" – 222 and a 40 point season last year.
yes plese
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by Karina on Oct 22, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
None on the highend that won’t either a) retire or b) re-up with their club before hand. The closest one would be Zidlicky, but he’s a bit small.
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id ask for at least a mid level prospect too, but yes
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait. Schenn sitting is good because it will shake things up?
No man, it’s shit. The fact our future franchise d-man is struggling is not good. Nothing is good. A win is the only thing that will be good right now.
Forget what I said earlier
why sitt Schenn when we could give Blake a benching?
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by Marc Pilgrim on Oct 22, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
He's struggling
so sit him. It’s probably more a case of nerves for him than anything else. Things have come easy (relatively speaking) for him in his career. Maybe a night off to sit and watch the game will help him see things clearer.
not the end of the world…
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by blurr1974 on Oct 22, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
first year, as a rookie, you don’t necesserily realize what’s going on, you feel less pressure.
This summer, he probably had some time for that to set in, and with the whole team struggling, he needs a break.
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by Karina on Oct 22, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Sitting Schenn is good
because it protects him from FURTHER FUCKING ABUSE at the hands of US – the unwashed hordes clamouring at the gates for serious disruptive change.
Send him to the minors and let him develop in anonymity for a bit… despite our interest, most Torontonians ignore the Marlies.
I don’t get why people pitch a conniption when they think about the idea that Luke Schenn MIGHT need some time at a level below the NHL… he’s 19 fucking years old… seriously… give him a break.
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
At this point, I don’t think that time in the minors could really be called giving the kid a break. Maybe he should have stayed down last year, maybe he should even have been sent there before this season, but after a few games already? Eeee… I think that would be a harsh blow.
Why would sending a 19 year old kid now to the minors
Not be appropriate? It’s appropriate for 99% of NHL hockey prospects… but not Schenn? Why is that the case?
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Biggest realist reason I can think of
is that he’s on almost all of the Leafs ads for events and such, and his jersey is a huge seller.
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i could see it hurting some players confidence pretty badly, but Schenn seems the type who would work through it
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe, I couldn’t speculate on that.
The main reason that it would be a blow for him is that he’s been pumped up as “the savior”, and the media would absolutely BLITZ him if he got sent to the minors. It would be really publicly embarrassing.
Also, since he did so well last season, it seems natural to be even more frustrated at a demotion. It looked last year like he might actually live up to half the hype he got.
Meh... the media are amazingly fickle in Toronto
they kept saying Matt Stajan should be Captain, and half of them turned on Mats Sundin when he wouldn’t waive his NMC… frankly if you’re basing your management decisions on the media you’ve got a problem.
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly. They're fickle.
They could tear him apart after exalting him for over a year. I think it’s definitely a problem that Burke has to deal with. Although I’m not at all surprised to see him benched, he hasn’t been terrible enough for that yet. Burke will send him down if he’s really awful.
It’s not just about the media, though. The NHL is a small, tight-knit community, and it’s professionally embarrassing among your peers, too.
I don't know if It'd be that embarassing at his age
Most of his peers aren’t in the NHL yet… from an age perspective.
I dunno… I think some people might be more understanding than we’re assuming.
Also the embarrassment side would be more from Schenn’s perspective. If he isn’t embarrassed by it, and acknowledges he needs to be better… then it won’t be embarrassing…
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
That Schenn jersey purchase is looking worse and worse. But once it’s back from the customizer, Schenn will be +100 and score a goal a game, from his own blue line, right? Right?
by Its Cold In Here on Oct 22, 2009 4:41 PM EDT reply actions
Either that
or he’d would’ve destroyed the entire NHL with his hits by the time that jersey returns to you.
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by Marc Pilgrim on Oct 22, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
curious
I was just at Hockey Futures and they don’t even have Gunnarson listed as a Leaf prospect… any idea why this is? They claim we have no offensive defensemen in our prospects, and don’t include him… it seems strange.
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by Karina on Oct 22, 2009 5:56 PM EDT reply actions
he’s 18th on the prospect list
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
oh
that seems pathetic.
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by Karina on Oct 22, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
stephanovich is 3rd so take it as you will
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
It's not only pathetic
It’s wrong.
He isn’t the 18th best prospect in their system… at all.
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
I mean it’s pathetic that they could be so wrong…
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by Karina on Oct 22, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, i dont know what their critiera for ranking is
top end potential? because its not current ability shown thats for sure
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
It's on the basis of their numerical/letter scores
and that’s all… and those are updated once a year.
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
The number indicates potential
The letter indicates likelihood of fulfilling it.
The reason Gunnarson is ranked so low is because they don’t foresee him playing as anything but a 6th or 7th D man in the NHL… thus he has a low Numerical score.
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Similarly
it explains the loft status of Stefanovich – who has TONNES of potential… whether he reaches it or not is debatable.
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
indeed, if he ever makes the NHL he could be kovalchuk lite or Kovalev lite
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Someone shoulds start a prospect watch type thing on PPP, different members could be assigned to specific players in our system and follow them specifically.
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The only problem with that is
We might not evaluate using the same criteria… and even if those were defined, we might not score them similarly enough to paint an accurate picture.
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
bias would run rampant
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
But it would be cool to have an “expert” on each player, writing things that would trump them up or put them down from a fans perspective. Wouldn’t be so much about ranking them as knowing a bit more about how they are doing on their respective teams.
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It’s actually pretty difficult to write much of interest on a player on a regular basis when they’re in junior… unless you’re actually tracking them VERY closely… which could be kinda creepy.
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
it would be difficult to even do a weekly write-up…
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by Karina on Oct 22, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, there would be a lot of “same shit, different day”
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Just a thought, I just don’t know much about our guys in Jr. besides the top few prospects so it would be cool to have some personalized info.
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Have you read my writeups at hockey analysis?
I try to give some reasonably detailed info on every guy that we draft or who shows up to rookie camp.
http://leafs.hockeyanalysis.com/2009/08/26/leafs-rookie-tournament-roster-notes/
http://leafs.hockeyanalysis.com/2009/07/08/leafs-prospect-camp-roster-notes/
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I will take a look at that when I’m not in class. Its cool to think that there could be a Kaberle out their that we drafted in a late round in the last few years that nobody talks about.
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Oh and you can check this out... the Leafs release it monthly
http://mapleleafs.nhl.com/v2/ext/ProspectReportOct20.pdf
The monthly prospect report keeps you up to date on stats at least if nothing else.
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Fair enough
plus it doesn’t give you any context… so it’s not ideal because you can’t easily compare to their peers in the various leagues.
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
i should say
i love your stuff Steve. i’ve never been much of a stats guy, but you do a fantastic job of explaining things in laymen’s terms (ie -for me.)
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by blurr1974 on Oct 22, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
me too
it’s my favourite Leafs website for facts and reality.
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by Karina on Oct 22, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks
it helps that I’m a high school math/science teacher…
it’s my job to explain stats to the layperson… if I wasn’t any good at it I wouldn’t be a very good teacher.
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
This is true, though if you went to some games and stuff it could be kind of cool. Or if you knew them personally and had inside info on their goals, whatever etc.
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It’s hard to do the one on one thing because you do need a comparative measure. A young player may look good (or bad) on his own, but who knows how he fares with his peers.
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This is true, I know a guy who plays for the colts, his stats are pretty good and he plays physically, yet he’s been passed over in the draft twice. Need to have comparison with all similar players to know how good they really are.
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Also putting up stats in Jr.
is different than in the AHL or NHL.
Footspeed is way less of a problem for physical players in Junior than it would be in the NHL. You always have to see how quick their decision making is, and how often they’re making the right decision. Also Jr players don’t have to worry about positioning as much.
As a result, a lot of guys that put up good numbers are worse positionally and slower than they need to be to play at the next level up. It’s not that they’re bad… they just don’t do as many of the little things well enough to make it at the next level.
Then there’s just some guys that get passed over in the draft… it’s kind of a crap shoot sometimes.
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Hockey Futures is horribly out of date. They also change team specific writers all the time. The Leafs for the longest time didn’t have a main writer. And as Jared points out, he’s listed but low.
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Hockey's Future is moronic.
They update things slowly because they post things about a single team on a day by day basis… if they didn’t update everything cyclically like that they’d have a better service.
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I take the good and bad with that site. I don’t mind the day to day nature of the updates because they have to cater to all the team. But I wish they had a specific goal in mind, rather than trying to do everything. If they had a singular focus, the information would be more substantial and new. If they are trying to do a be all site, then hire people who actually watch their respective teams.
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A little off topic
Are there any players on the 67s or St. Michaels Majors who are Leafs property? Just wondering because my friend got free tickets for tomorrow and I drunkenly agreed to go.
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Don't think so.
But they’ll play London, Windsor, and Owen Sound so… there you go.
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Kadri, Ryan, Blacker
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Nevermind, I just read what you wrote completely
and realized that doesn’t help you in the least.
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Somehow I mistakenly read that as you having access to tickets for every majors AND 67's game
which would be weird since Ottawa and Mississauga aren’t close together.
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Schenn
is one of 46 D men in NHL HISTORY since 1917-18 to play over 60 games before they hit their 20th year.
That’s 46 guys in 91 years of NHL hockey… I’m not that concerned about his level of play in the future… I’m worried about him now.
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yes
I fully endorse taking it easy on him this year, which I believe is Burke’s philosophy given the signings this summer…
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by Karina on Oct 22, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Nathan Horton
(because it’s getting cramped up there…)
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by blurr1974 on Oct 22, 2009 6:23 PM EDT reply actions
indeed, he has done more with less than either of those two
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Yesh it was.
31 is his career high… Penner’s was 29… Byfuglien has a 19 goal season. I guess they’re probably the two highest scoring power forwards named Dustin in a long time?
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Either way
Byfuglien isn’t getting anything close to $5+ million a year. I think he’ll end up around $3 mill… maybe $3.5… but that’s a stretch to me.
He doesn’t have the offense to warrant anything more.
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
doesn't he
already make $3.5 mill?
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by Karina on Oct 22, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
3
rfa in 2011
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions
id like to see an all Dustin line
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I love Dustin Brown, but he’s no Nathan Horton either…
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by blurr1974 on Oct 22, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
He had a 60 point season
a 33 goal season
and he was taken 13th overall… and he’s the captain of one of the hottest teams in the NHL right now.
He’s ahead of Horton in my mind.
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions
yet far less attainable, too bad
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve seen him a few times, and have wished he’d somehow become a Leaf for years.
But he’s not the big body that Horton has. I’d take either or to be honest. but i’m fairly certain it’ll be neither. Brown most definitely is not going anywhere…
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by blurr1974 on Oct 22, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
the kings are set to be a very good team for a good while
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
What’s the rumour circles around Anze Kopitar over there, blurr? I know this is a big year for him in any case, but is it a make or break year for him on the Kings?
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
this
he’s in like flynn.
they’re VERY happy with him.
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by blurr1974 on Oct 22, 2009 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Kopitar, Doughty, Brown, B.Schenn, moller, teubert. hell even frolov
stupid kings
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Frolov
probably got this summer as a UFA
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by Karina on Oct 22, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, he’s gonna get paid probably
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions
What if we traded our 1st and 2nd pick in 2010 and our 1st in…
shit.
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the kessel deal wouldnt touch kopitar
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Kopitar had 61 points
as a 19 year old… he may be the most talented player in the NHL… it’s kinda scary to think how good he’ll be when he’s 24… he’s still only 22.
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
77 points
as a 20 year old… SO crazy.
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
uhm
right after the Canucks took Luc Bourdon.
Around 10 or so?
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by Karina on Oct 22, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions
11th overall.
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions
luck
I think
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by Karina on Oct 22, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions
wasnt this around the time people were worried russians were all gonna bolt ?
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes...
of course that wouldn’t matter with Kopitar since he isn’t Russian.
He’s Slovenian… which is a former part of Yugoslavia… on the northern end of Croatia… near northern Italy.
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Slovenia has very, very few hockey rinks.
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by Karina on Oct 22, 2009 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
He was playing in Sweden
before being drafted… he wasn’t going to bolt for the KHL and never return.
Completely irrelevant in his case.
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
yes
who went #1 overall his year?
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by Karina on Oct 22, 2009 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
crosby
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions
damn
Crosby-Malkin-Kopitar in the same draft?
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by Karina on Oct 22, 2009 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Malkin was the year before
taken 2nd overall… after Ovechkin.
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
riiiiight
damn me getting my years confused
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by Karina on Oct 22, 2009 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
also bobby ryan, jack johnson, oshie, price and raask
2 first round goalies
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Then Bobby Ryan
then Jack Johnson…
then Benoit Pouliot
then Carey Price…
He was in a deep draft year.
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
you know whats really funny, guess who drafted brian lee before Kopitar?
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Ottawa...
ding ding ding.
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
yup, im saving that one for the next time they talk about the leafs drafting
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Probably one of the only teams that is legitimately worse than us in recent draft history.
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We drafted Rask there
so yeah we did alright… JFJ was a good eye for talent frankly.
Any chance we can bring him back as a scout?
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions
hmm
I imagine he’s pretty happy doing that role in California for the Sharks
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by Karina on Oct 22, 2009 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
shhh
until he died, many Canucks fans were very, very bitter that they had Bourdon instead of Kopitar.
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by Karina on Oct 22, 2009 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
bourdon was going to be very very good, so i dont get that
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Bourdon
was taking too long to become very very good.
They’re as bad as us with their propects (see also Hodgson, Cody)
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by Karina on Oct 22, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Sodertalje SK to be more precise.
2 seasons with them before making the jump. He had 20 points as an 18 year old in 47 games.
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions
hmmm, appears you are correct, fin my defense the Slovakian flag is very similar to the russian flag
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
But that doesn’t mean a whole hell of a lot since the Russian flag is like a sideways French flag.
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
yah, but kopitar isnt a very french sounding name, so i wouldnt have been THAT thick
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
Anze and Kopitar aren’t exactly Russian sounding either… but I digress.
You probably aren’t the only person to think along those lines… he is the only Slovenian in the NHL if that helps.
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
So I guess he’ll never play in the Olympics (unless they host) for lack of a team.
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Pretty much
Unless he pulls a Nedved… but I think he’s already played at a World Championships for Slovenia so that’s out too.
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
He's one of the few Europeans
That will likely be amazingly focused on winning the Stanley Cup, because the odds of winning a World Championship or Olympic Medal are virtually nil.
In essence he’s the ideal European Talent to have on your NHL franchise.
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Belarus
is FAR more competitive internationally than Slovenia.
They also have the Kostitsyn Bros. and Stefanovich, and yeah…
they churn out NHL level talent, and they have much closer ties to Russia.
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
but
do they have any real hope of winning the World Championships or Olympic Gold?
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by Karina on Oct 22, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
key point
They play in the A pool at the World Championships… and they’re more competitive every year.
If they get some solid blue liners, and another top end goalie, they could challenge the likes of the Finns for a medal.
It’s important to remember that Finland only has a population of like 3 million… the fact that they compete internationally in sport is shocking.
They’re like the New Zealand All Blacks of hockey rather than rugby.
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
But the chances of them WINNING the WCs or Olympics are pretty slim. And you also mentioned the Kostitsyn brothers, another premise to the conclusion they wont win.
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A lot of athletes
will play team sports with people they can’t stand in an effort to win something they care about.
World Championships and Olympic Medals are huge in Europe… bigger than the Stanley Cup frankly.
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
i wish the leafs had the grabbo that played at the worlds
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
They do
Unfortunately they can’t afford to trot him out for 25 minutes a game against semi-NHL level talent.
Defense is something that’s required out of him since not every other player on his line will be covering his ass at all times.
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions
i dunno, Grabbo has been playing well, despite his lack of finish and a total lack of a passing game, he seems to be missing that fire he played with last year
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
He's missing Kulemin
I think.
Kulemin and he played really well together and I would strongly suggest reuniting them. Not sure why they won’t.
I’d bench Mayers over Kulemin in a heart beat, and drop Stajan into a checking role… just saying.
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions
i have no idea why Kulemin is being benched so much, he has been one of the leafs best every game he has played
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
13 hits in like 3 games
We lack forwards that hit, but the guy leading the team in hits per game is benched in favour of veteran “checkers” that don’t hit anyone…
CONFUSING.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I am
continuously flummoxed by Wilson’s roster decisions.
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by Karina on Oct 22, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions
poni grabbo and kulemin was dynomite last year, and they havnt played more than 2 shifts together from what i remember
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
They had one game
where they played most of it together… and they were the only line that played well…
and then Wilson went away from it because I think at the time he felt he was putting all of his eggs in one basket… which may or may not have been the case.
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, i dont know what is going on with Wilson and his lines
Blake really needs to take a seat
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Thing is, the way they’re playing now, they have no eggs.
I think we should take our chances with a Poni-Grabs-Kulie line.
Being a Leaf fan here requires one to be sufficiently lubricated... and truculent!
indeed, better one line playing well than none
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed
Two, if not three, of the best players so far this season. I have really liked Kulemin in the little he’s played. Very aggressive on the puck and on the body. Grabbo just needs a dirty one to go in.
by Leaf in Habland on Oct 22, 2009 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, im grasping at straws, i got nothing
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions
definitely the most underrated player in the NHL
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok Brown ... missed him
He had a 33 goal season… he wins.
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions
me too
but that’s not gonna happen
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by Karina on Oct 22, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
fuglyman would probably be the best bet because of chicagos cap situation and would cost the leafs the least to get
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions
thing is
he’s playing really, really well this year, I can’t see them giving him up.
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by Karina on Oct 22, 2009 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, but they have to move someone, it will probably be a defensemen they move though
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I know they’d love to move Campbell. I have a hard time seeing them moving anyone else… maybe Versteeg?
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by Karina on Oct 22, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Loving to move Campbell
and being ABLE to move Campbell are completely distinct things.
They’ll HAVE to move someone that there’s a market for… there isn’t one for Campbell at his dollar figure right now.
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions
but
who else do they move?
Barker, already? Keith and Seabrook aren’t going anywhere, Hjallmersson is young and I think still cheap…. it’s gotta be a forward.
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by Karina on Oct 22, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions
It won't be someone they WANT to move
worse comes to worse they lose on an RFA when push comes to shove… a la Kessel.
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions
In fantasy land... they don't trade anyone!
Unfortunately that’s not how the cap works.
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
but I really seriously don’t see them moving any of those defensemen I’ve listed above. They have a lot of good forwards, I could see maybe Sharp being moved, he’s very marketable
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by Karina on Oct 22, 2009 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
He's also their best forward right now
And he’s on a reasonable contract… I don’t get why they’d deal away a guy on a reasonable contract… just because he’s marketable.
They have TOO many good D. They aren’t all going to be happy playing lower down the ladder their whole careers.
Some of the guys you mentioned may want to be #1 or #2 guys at some point… give them the opportunity and get something in return.
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions
well
if I follow that philosophy, Barker’s the one I’d let walk. The youngest, with a lot more upside still to come, would bring the best return.
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by Karina on Oct 22, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions
But Chicago also has a litany of young prospects ready to make through as well. In addition to Beach, Aliu, and Skille, they have Makarov in Russia, as well. Buff and Sharp are gone, me thinks.
Supporter of the Sergei Berezin "Give and Go" - You give me puck, then you go to hell
Yeah they've done some good drafting
They just have to pick and choose the right parts… they’ll be fine long term if they choose the right ones.
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I really thought
We were going to trade for Sharp during the off season, that was until the whole Kessel thing got moving.
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Versteeg would probably work too, he wouldnt put too much of a dent in their offense and doesnt offer anything they dont have in excess, he is also getting paid quite a bit
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions
On a less positive note
The majority of Leafs prospects are playing almost as shitty as the actual Leafs.
The only one producing so far is Champagne, and he was dropped form camp early. Did someone slip all the players “play like shit” pills or something?
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Kadri is surprising me the most, im thinking that all that time at leafs camp might have his head out of the game
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Well... who knows
He needs to improve though….
all that idiotic debate over whether or not he should stay up probably went to his head though. If only Toronto hockey fans thought about player development with the Leafs the way they do about the Jays we’d be LIGHT years ahead.
We develop our baseball players slowly… and our hockey players way too fast.
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, the last thing Kadri needed was to play in the NHL this year, I can only imagine how Tlusty might have developed if he hadnt been kept on the leafs getting 3rd line minuites that year
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
or Pogge... if we hadn't bailed on him
before his 23rd birthday… seriously wtf?
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- Sir Winston Churchill
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe
all this stuff about franchise saviour went to his head, Burke thought the only way to cure it was to send him away…
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by Karina on Oct 22, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Anyone noticing a pattern?
Maybe we need to stop anointing teenagers our franchise saivours?
Just an idea.
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions
yup
this is probably right… though Wilson sure didn’t help with kadri.
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by Karina on Oct 22, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Why not burden Burke with that title.
The kids can be kids… and develop as they should… by playing Hockey… instead of carrying the weight of our insane expectations…
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions
wont happen, but i agree
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions
We all realize
that we’re on the site that keeps referring to Schenn as “our Luke and Saviour”?
lol
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
haha, ive never gone that far, but i do admit to undue pressure and expectations
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah me either
I honestly don’t see the point in handing an 19 year old the mantle of future franchise player …ever.
Like I’ve taken a long time to warm up to Ian White. My favourite player is still Ponikarovsky… I’m a fan of Schenn and Gustavsson but I’d like them to do something worth the accolades… same goes for Stalberg.
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Poni is great, i hate all these people wanting to throw him under the bus and trade him for scrap
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Same with me for White and Poni
White is by far my favourite Leaf, I’ll buy his jersey the moment he’s (hopefully) re-signed. I didn’t start really noticing White as having potential until last year, and he became my favourite after the “E-AN WHITE!” chanting at the Leafs vs. Sens game, where he scored.
I used to call Poni “Pocohontas” all the time, but now I think he’s one of our only two (with Kessel) legitimate top line guys (obviously Poni would need to be with more talented guys on a top line).
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everyone here was ready to name white as the leafs scape goat last year, but then
moustachulence
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Glad I wasn’t around for that. I was so mad when he sat at the start of the year.
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i liked him because he always had a really good breakout pass, he used to hit players for 2 on 1s and break aways all the time
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
I have no idea why I specifically liked him, maybe because he was such a team guy who worked hard.
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indeed, he has also come a long way, he is a much more complete player, were he 5 inches taller and 50lbs heavier, he’d be a coveted NHL defensemen
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he will be a solid top-4 guy for the Leafs. Especially if he continues to have to work for ice-time, it seems to drive him.
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he’s got too much beef in front of him right now, White will probably never crack the top 4 on the leafs (baring total collapse of one of the others or a trade)
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions
White
is currently in our top 4.
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by Karina on Oct 22, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
because schenn has been terrible, he hasnt cemented his spot there by any stretch, he is there by default
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions
default
yeah, default of being our best defenseman currently.
He’ll either be moved for more talent, or re-signed and given a top 4 spot permanently, I think.
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by Karina on Oct 22, 2009 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions
white has played very well, dont get me wrong, im just saying that if the other players were playing at their level, he wouldnt be there
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
But they aren't.
So he has.
That’s kind of how the world works though… if you out play your peers you should earn more time ahead of them.
The fact that we play guys who make more when they play like shit is sort of stupid… but I see why we do it.
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions
But
if they don’t start playing “at their level” soon, their level becomes lower than White’s
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well yes, but right now its still at they are playing below capacity and white is playing above
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I think White
has maintained his level from last year… so I don’t think he’s above his ability… he just plays how he should, and he’s being rewarded for it.
If the other guys can’t do that, I see no reason to penalize white for it.
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions
oh im not penalizing white at all, i think he is well deserving of the ice time, and has worked his ass of for it, I just dont expect him to hold onto the top 4 spot
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Or injuries
like last year… which are not inconceivable with this group.
Kaberle, Komisarek, and Beauchemin have all missed chunks of time due to injury in the past few years.
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s top 4 right now, and if Kaberle is moved for youth he will fill the puck-mover role.
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Problem with that is
we have a horrible lack of puck moving blue liners in the system.
After Kaberle and White we have… Gunnarson, and Mikus?
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I still think
we should have traded Kaberle and kept Stralman… but hey now he’s playing for a winner in Columbus.
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Blacker also fits that mold
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Not really.
He’s not a puck mover… he’s a physical guy that moves the puck well… he isn’t another Kaberle or White.
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, he’s more well rounded than offensively based, but he COULD is what i ment, in the same sense that Beauchemin is offensively minded and can move the puck well
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah...
although I have doubts about the defensively rounded part of Beauchemin’s game as the season goes on.
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed, that seems to have been something that he left in cali
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Or that was an illusion caused by playing alongside Pronger and Niedermayer.
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I'm thinking B is more likely
it also explains the whole being waived by Montreal thing.
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
i remember him being spot on in the playoff games i watched with him in it…hmm
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
He was a huge habs fan
Maybe he had a fire under him to perform in Ana and show them what they were missing. Now he feels he’s proved himself and is settling down.
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they got him
from Columbus.
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by Karina on Oct 22, 2009 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions
And I’m sure that it is all done with no tongue in cheek or anything, and is 100% totally serious.
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Don't worry
I’m 125% certain that nobody actually thinks Luke Schenn is the reincarnation of Christ (or whatever montheistic or pagan deity you choose to worship). I wasn’t under any confusion in that regard.
Despite that fact… people do read this stuff, and not everyone understands that it’s done in jest.
Luke Schenn might be one of those people… not to imply anything about his education but hey you never know with those NHLers.
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
nah
Burke’s talked a lot about him being very modest, and that being why he’s chosen as the marketing face of the Leafs this year.
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by Karina on Oct 22, 2009 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions
The problem is
they should probably find the least modest guy to do that with.
Since they WANT the attention they’d likely deal with it better.
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Or
their head would grow so big it would explode, a la alexander daigle.
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True...
but at least then they wouldn’t be our problem anymore.
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions
heh
I’d rather keep players around than have their heads explode.
Except for Stajan.
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by Karina on Oct 22, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think I'd mind
if the majority of vets on this team had their heads explode… that’d be fine.
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions
true
the problem is… who of them do you want to market? Blake, because he’s around for 3 more years??
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by Karina on Oct 22, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Blake would be perfect if so many people didn’t hate him so much. I loved blake last year but now he’s back on the sucktrain.
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Because he has no Moore
to light a fire under his ass.
He needs someone that can skate with him who actually plays with a bit of an edge and wins faceoffs…
Mitchell sort of fits that mold… but he’s not as good as Moore defensively, and he still makes a fair number of mental mistakes.
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
Mitchell’s defensive errors are really showing this year, and Blake compounds them.
Who was the 3rd member of that line last year?
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by Karina on Oct 22, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Jeff Hamilton?
I think?
or Boyd Devereaux? I forget.
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions
or were they with Stajan?
I can’t remember.
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions
hold on I'll check
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Devereaux
rings a bell, in which case this all makes sense, since he would’ve brought the defense.
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by Karina on Oct 22, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
i think it was a mixed bag, i remember stemp playing there a bunch
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it was stemp, which makes it all the more hilarious that we can’t remember who it was.
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Christian HANSON?
LETS CALL HIM UP ALREADY.
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Mitchell was playing with
Hagman and Stempniak a bunch
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions
for realz?
if that’s the case, I am 100% behind you here.
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by Karina on Oct 22, 2009 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, another one i want to see more of, the leafs need a power forward and we have that Goliath sitting on the marlies
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I think
Mitchell, Hanson, and Blake might work well…
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Steve
have you ever looked at the lines we had in games we won and in games we lost, and player stats? Couldn’t we create the perfect combinations based on individual and team performance with certain lines last year??
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It's amazingly hard
since last years team had people in and out of the lineup like crazy.
I mean Devereaux and Hamilton were playing a bunch near the end of the year, then Hanson was on the team, Mitchell was playing big minutes.
It was like a big blender.
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
What I don't get is
How the hell we had Christian Hanson, Boyd Devereaux, Brad May, and Jeff Hamilton in the lineup at the end of the year, but now we can’t find room for Bozak and Hanson?
We’ve added Stålberg which is fine… but seriously… wtf?
There was a game against Montreal in the last week of the season where the following forwards played:
Grabovski, Kulemin, Ponikarovsky, Stajan, Mayers, May, Hamilton, Devereaux, Blake, Mitchell, Hanson
Stempniak and Hagman weren’t there… so they can replace Hamilton and Devereaux… but wtf, that still leaves May and Hanson on the team… if Stålberg replaces Hanson, I guess the issue is Wallin and/or Primeau?
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe it was that new guy, Stempniak… apparently he played for us last year.
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I don't think it was...
but I could be wrong.
Maybe that’s half a line though?
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok so Leafs we should keep
White, Schenn, Kulemin, Grabovski, Ponikarovsky, Gustavsson, Kaberle, and MAYBE Komisarek and Finger… Wallin? …
ok so we need half a forward corps, and we should ditch Finger and call up Gunnarsson or Frogren…
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kessel goes somewhere, stalberg stays, bozak could be there if he proves he can stick
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Definitely need Wallin to be the speed on the 4th line and kill penalties.
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also keep hagman
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok but here is the problem
Let’s work from the other direction… who do you cut?
Mayers?
Anyone else?
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blake
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
exelby also never sees another game in a leafs jersey
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
If you lose Mayers
you HAVE to keep Blake because of his contract…
I say ditch Stajan… but that’s just me… I know some disagree…
So that leaves Grabo, Poni, Kulemin, Hagman, Stempniak, Mitchell, Wallin, Primeau, Orr, Rosehill?
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Stålberg
Kessel, Bozak, and Hanson all need spots… oh and Tlusty
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions
ok then, lines i would have at Kessels return
Poni – Bozak – Kessel
Tlusty – Grabbo- Kulemin
Hagman – Mitchell – Blake
Orr – Wallin – Primeau/Rosehill (depending on who they are playing)
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
But you're missing
Stempniak… who has honestly been one of the best forwards this year.
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Replace
Blake with Stempniak.
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions
yup
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah… but you said you had to keep blake because of the contract, and since stemp doesnt play center it was him over mitchell taking a seat
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Blake-Kessel-Poni
Hanson-Bozak-Stalberg
Hagman-Grabo-Kulemin
Orr-Wallin-Mayers/Rosehill/Primeau
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can we
ditch Rosehill already?
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by Karina on Oct 22, 2009 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not sure Hanson has the offensive upside for a second line role.
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hanson will be a good garbage goal man, plant him in front of the net and he’ll pot 20 a year me thinks
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, since the aim is to roll three lines, I’m sure it doesn’t really matter in the end anyway. The team isn’t in a luxury to start turning down forwards if they’re good enough.
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Hanson is the closest thing the leafs have to a NHL ready power forward, i see him getting a good shot sooner than later
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope so, considering the forwards playing right now aren’t exactly burning up the score sheets.
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Woo, my lines got feedback
I like my first line, Kessel might light up blake and Poni will get the pucks out of the corners.
And Flashforward was awesome!
Also, I just put hanson there because of the college line thing.
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nope, id love to see blake sit and hanson take his spot, not gonna happen though
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Which is unfortunate, but you have to maximize Blake’s value I guess. It’s stupid, but three more years on a contract sort of forces the hand. I realize MLSE has deep pockets, but I doubt very much they like paying someone mucho cash for three years in the minors. That doesn’t sound very good business-wise and MLSE is still a profit making corporation.
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at least put him in the press box for 3 games or so and give one of the kids a shot
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Also
If we send him down and he gets claimed, we only have to pay half his salary. 2 mil against the cap is 2 guys on an entry level.
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yup, id love him to get claimbed
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions
bozak is a center, stalberg is a winger, no room
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
his stats don’t show it, but all reports are he’s looked really, really good with the Marlies.
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by Karina on Oct 22, 2009 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok so we ditch
Primeau… because that’s possible… and perhaps we ditch Blake in the minors… and trade away Stajan…
Ok so we’ve dropped Primeau, Blake, Stajan, and Mayers…
that’s 4 of our 12.
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We replace those 4 with
Kessel, Bozak, Hanson, and Tlusty?
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Beauchemin comes around or we do something with him.
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I'm only worrying about the forwards at this point
But yeah Exelby isn’t in my top 6 D. My top 6 D are Kaberle, Komisarek, Schenn, White, Finger, and Beauchemin… I don’t see much tinkering until injuries happen… and they will.
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions
and I say for this year
screw the top 6 bottom 6 B.S.
It’s a great thing to aim for long term… but it won’t work right now.
They need to roll 4 lines and score by committee using team speed.
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
at least roll 3 lines then have a traditional grinder line, i dont think you can roll anything with Orr and Rosehill for high scoring, although some games they looked more dangerous than the rest
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s why I think Wallin is key with them, he can make up for them running guys and being out of position.
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Ok well
my lines would be
1. Poni, Grabo, Kulemin
2. Stempniak, Kessel, Hagman
3. Stålberg, Bozak, Tlusty
4. Orr, Wallin, Mitchell
I’d drop Blake to the minors or bench him until someone is injured.
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
im not sold on Kessel at center
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Meh...
Mainly because he hasn’t played there since joining the NHL… but he did it all through his development and was fine.
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Mitchell and Wallin
aren’t scoring line centres… is the problem.
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
this is true, id give him a shot there anyways, from the look of the practice line ups thats where they have him
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions
You could do this
1. Poni-Grabo-Kulemin
2. Stålberg-Bozak-Kessel
3. Tlusty-Mitchell-Hagman
4. Orr-Wallin-Stempniak
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions
i like that with the rolling three scoring lines approach, all three could be very dangerous and pretty defensively responsible too
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm also sick of the stone hands line
of Rosehill and Orr together.
They do bang and crash… but frankly I’d rather just see consistent offensive pressure… it doesn’t have to be purely physical. If teams are hemmed in their own zone, they’ll get tired just the same as they would being pounded into the boards.
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions
indeed, rosehill has decent hands, but not good enough to play on a scoring line
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd strongly consider
replacing Mitchell with Tlusty though and promoting Hanson to the 3rd line
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Tlusty/ Hanson are the main reasons i dont see the leafs re-signing stempniak
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Certainly not at the same dollars
But yeah I think that’s the issue from his perspective.
We have enough peripheral scorers as it is.
He was a stop gap anyway.
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions
indeed, and thats just as it stands now, i still think at some point this year there is going to be significant movement on forward in or out of this team
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I think we make a 2 for 1 deal to get Horton
Stempniak and Stajan for Horton…
then our lines can look like this
1. Poni-Grabo-Kulemin
2. Tlusty-Horton-Kessel
3. Stålberg-Bozak-Hagman
4. Orr-Wallin-Mitchell
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
or you can switch
Hagman and Kessel… so you have Hagman covering for Horton and Tlusty while Stalberg and Bozak cover for Kessel
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions
that trade would be a major coupe, i dont see florida letting him go for that little, probably a prospect or pick in there
but i love those lines
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions
throw in D'Amigo or something then
I don’t think that’d bother me much.
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions
or Mitchell.
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by Steve Burtch on Oct 22, 2009 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions
id give em stephanovich, it might come back and bite us in the ass if he turns out to be Kovalchuck lite, but i doubt it
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 22, 2009 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions
note, id rather give em mitchell or d’amagio
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