Leafs 1 Canucks 3: There Are Some Positives Here
by Chemmy on Oct 25, 2009 12:32 PM EDT
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The Leafs came out of the gate with some jump last night and did a decent job taking it to Vancouver. Toronto outshot Vancouver 36-25 despite the Canucks having six power plays to Toronto's three. In the first period Toronto served four minor penalties to Vancouver's zero and still outshot the Canucks 13-12.
In the third period Toronto boxed Vancouver in their zone, cycled the puck well and looked to have Vancouver on the ropes. Wayne Primeau took a brainless boarding penalty but the Leafs maintained puck possession on the PK and continued hammering away at Luongo right up to the moment that Joey Mac was pulled at which point the Leafs gave up. Vancouver missed the net three times and hit the post twice with the empty net and Toronto still couldn't capitalize on their good luck and set up in the Canucks' zone.
Joey MacDonald looked solid last night, for our third string goaltender he gave us 60 minutes of serviceable goaltending with a few great saves sprinkled in. That paid immediate benefits for our PK who gave up two power play goals at the end of the first when the Leafs were assessed four minor penalties in a span of about eleven minutes.
For the second time this season, the Leafs were still in a game as the clock ran out and a night like tonight makes Burke's acquisition of Phil Kessel obvious. Luongo and the Canucks defense didn't have anything to worry about from the Leafs. Phil Kessel would have played six minutes on the PP last night and in all likelihood would have changed the outcome of last night's game dramatically.
Let's hope the Leafs build on this effort and at least work hard and battle to stay in games. The start of this season was hard because the Leafs looked untalented and unmotivated. With any luck the Leafs are turning a corner. They've been playing better with every game but now need to look towards Monday's opponent: Anaheim. The Leafs will be shooting on another stingy netminder in Jonas Hiller. Let's hope the offense starts firing.
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Joey Joe Joe
did look good, and the Leafs really deserved the victory here. The ’Nuckers just got very lucky, thanks to some help from some striped friends.
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by Kavel Pubina on Oct 25, 2009 12:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Leafs deserved the penalties they got and the Leafs deserved the outcome of the game. They need to start scoring, but I think that’s going to come. If the defense plays well like it did last night and the Leafs get competent goaltending the offense is going to wake up at some point and the Leafs are going to win a game.
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by Chemmy on Oct 25, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That Ian White high-sticking call...
was very dubious. Mason Raymond put on a good show for the refs there.
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by Kavel Pubina on Oct 25, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Raymond can’t put that show on if White doesn’t hit him in the face with his stick. It probably should have only been two minutes but the Leafs shouldn’t put themselves in that position to start with.
Toronto’s taking a lot of high sticking calls, they need to get disciplined.
The penalty that really chaps my ass is Wallin’s delay of game. He’s a defensive specialist with nothing approaching offensive skill he can’t put us down two minutes for something that stupid.
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by Chemmy on Oct 25, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They need to stay out of the box. Period.
by Kohma on Oct 25, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Chemmy on Oct 25, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
its funny because the x is in a box
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ha!
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by Travis Hair on Oct 25, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t get it.
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by James Mirtle on Oct 26, 2009 2:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
x = XLB
box = penalty box
No?
by general borschevsky on Oct 26, 2009 8:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They need to stay out of the box. Period.
[img – strongly agree]
its funny because the x [in the image] is in a box [which is funny because we’re trying to stay out of the box]
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by Chemmy on Oct 26, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
comedic gold
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 26, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is true.
There were some penalties the Leafs deserved last night, but honestly that missed penalty shot call late in the game, that was brutal.
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by Kavel Pubina on Oct 25, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
CBC noticed that on a slo-mo replay.
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by Chemmy on Oct 25, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah players were in the way of that unfortunately. I don’t blame them for missing it.
Giving Ian White 4 minutes, I do have a problem with.
by Clawson on Oct 25, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Canucks took a few dives.
Even the Canucks fans in the stands with me were ashamed of Luongo’s antic.s
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by Karina on Oct 25, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
as the adage goes, good teams beat bad reffing
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah.
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by Chemmy on Oct 25, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To quote Jay-Z
I just play the hand I’m dealt,
I can’t say I’ve never knelt
before God and asked for better cards
at times to no avail
But I never sat back feelin sorry for myself
If you don’t give me heaven I’ll raise hell
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by Chemmy on Oct 25, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
to quote Kazzer
It doesn’t matter what you drive, its how you drive what you got
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I second that.
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by T is for Truculence on Oct 25, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
M'eh
You wouldn’t have scored on Luongo anyways :-)
I know it sucks trying to look for moral victories, but if it’s any consolation, at NM we were all sh*tting our pantaloons in the third period. There will be games the Leafs win when they did not deserve it, tonight just happened to be one of those for the Canucks.
by Temujin on Oct 25, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Careful, according to the f#$head canucks fan I work with, mentioning the reffing means you don’t “lose like a man”.
Wow, I’m still pissed off by that
by LeafFanInVan on Oct 25, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmmm hard to argue with the experts on ‘not being a man’.
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by PPP on Oct 27, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
my mom came over to babysit for us last night. she’s about as oblivious to the hockey world as you can be, but she said she saw ‘a piece’ on TV about how bad the Leafs are, yet they still charge the most for tickets in the enitre league. “i feel so bad for those poor people buying tickets to see an awful team, it just doesn’t seem right”. she also told me that the local Hamilton news did a bit about the Leafs being the only reason that Balsillie can’t get a team in Hamilton. “that’s just selfish.” then she finished by saying that it must be ages since they’ve been in the playoffs, because she used to watch the odd game when they made it and she hasn’t seen a game in years.
fuck, you know things are bad when my mom’s talking shit about the leafs.
by daoust on Oct 25, 2009 1:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Your own mother or not you should have thrown down.
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by Chemmy on Oct 25, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Karate chop to the back of the neck. She would understand in the long run.
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by Mattblack on Oct 25, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is bad
I live in a former minor-league hockey hotbed and I’ve got casual hockey fans giving me crap about my Leafs license plate frame. shakes head
by Rock Outta SoCal on Oct 25, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good to see the HUGE LeafNation contingent at the game. The Go Leafs Go chants were loud!!
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by Chemmy on Oct 25, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Welcome
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by PPP on Oct 27, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Joey Mac did very well last night. Will he get the start tomorrow night? He earned it.
by Rock Outta SoCal on Oct 25, 2009 2:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ya, he played well, and the worst thing we could do is rush back the Monster. If he’s not completely healed, give Joey Mac another start.
by lordosis on Oct 25, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone
in the socal area going to tomorrow’s game? Just browsing stubhub and lots of tix still available… if it turns out I’m not working tomorrow like to check out the game. Anyone else looking to go but needs a fellow bud to watch with? I can drive.
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by BlueBuds on Oct 25, 2009 2:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I wish
I need a better job first. And the NHL might rub salt in my wounds by blacking out all THREE channels carrying the game in my area due to their blackout policies.
by Rock Outta SoCal on Oct 25, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fly by comment here
Great recap Chemmy. The only point I’d dispute is this:
right up to the moment that Joey Mac was pulled at which point the Leafs gave up.
I wouldn’t say they gave up at that point, so much as it was a stretch of piss-poor execution and passing.
That’s splitting hairs though, really. Otherwise your points are spot on.
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by stucky on Oct 25, 2009 5:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Here's the thing
as much as the Leafs had a huge territorial advantage, and outplayed Vancouver totally throughout the game when they were at even strength, do you honestly remember Luongo making any ridiculous saves to keep Vancouver out in front?
I don’t particularly.
Stempniak misses the net on a breakaway, the Leafs fire into Luongo’s chest on a bunch of 2 on 1’s and miss the net a tonne… overall I still think they lost this game through a lack of finish more than anything else. They don’t have the right people shooting the puck at the right times.
Mitchell and Stajan have 11 and 10 shots respectively. Stålberg has 15 shots on net, and 15 misses. Blake has 1 goal on 28 shots. Grabovski has 16 shots… frankly not enough. Poni and Hagman are the only ones doing what’s expected… and that isn’t enough. They need Kessel and they need some big bodies to go to the net with authority.
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by Steve@Leafs.HockeyAnalysis.com on Oct 25, 2009 7:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Also a misleading part of the shots on net stat
is how many of our shots are coming from D men. Ian White led the team yesterday with 7 shots on goal… that’s crazy frankly.
The only forwards with over 2 shots were Blake, Ponikarovsky, and Hagman… wtf is up with that? Hagman had 6, Blake and Poni had 4 each. So outside of those 3, our forwards combined for 10 shots. That’s 9 guys getting a total of 10 shots… and we think we’re likely to win a game?
Our D had 12 shots for chrissakes… but 9 of our forwards combined for 10 shots?
Outside of Kesler, Grabner, and Raymond, Vancouver’s entire team only combined for 11 shots… so they were way worse, but still. Our top forwards have to start producing more, and we need to rely less on our D for shots.
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by Steve@Leafs.HockeyAnalysis.com on Oct 25, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also shots is not equal to QUALITY shots…
some finish would be nice.
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Oct 25, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here are the teams with shot totals heavily influenced by their D and their ranks in the NHL offensively.
Team – % of shots taken by D men – Offensive Rank
Phoenix – 33.1% – 23rd ranked
Minnesota – 32.4% – 27th ranked
Tampa Bay – 31.75% – 21st ranked
Toronto – 30.2% – 29th ranked
Boston – 29.2% – 17th ranked
Columbus – 29.1% – 9th ranked
Chicago – 29.0% – 13th ranked
Nashville – 28.4% – 30th ranked
Now something tells me relying on your D for offense, when you have no skill up front to produce in limited opportunities is a bit of a bad plan. But I guess someone has to do all the work. Chicago and Columbus have Kane, Toews, Sharp, Versteeg, Brouwer, Byfuglien, and Nash, Huselius, Voracek, Brassard, Brule, Modin, etc. They can score goals up front… the other 6 are going to struggle to score goals this season the way they’re going.
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by Steve@Leafs.HockeyAnalysis.com on Oct 25, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I noticed this a lot, how many shots did White have last night? It was almost Brian McCabe-like.
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by Karina on Oct 25, 2009 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
White had
7 shots, Kaberle had 5.
The only forward in that range was Hagman with 6.
We need to see more from Grabovski, and Stempniak in terms of shots on goal.
Mitchell and Stajan are useless… 11 and 10 shots all year respectively.
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by Steve@Leafs.HockeyAnalysis.com on Oct 25, 2009 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stempniak should have had more, he just kept missing the puck… it was brutal, there were 2 breakaways where he didn’t even get the puck on net.
Stajan…. how does he keep getting points if he’s not shooting??
Mitchell, I’m done with. Look at his face in the picture for this post. He’s defeated, and we haven’t even played 10 games yet this season.
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by Karina on Oct 25, 2009 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont know what Mitchells deal is, he was far from spectacular most of last year, but he wasnt this terrible
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2009 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stajan
has had 1 good game. The first game where he scored 2 goals on the PP.
Since then he has 2 points in 6 games and he’s been benched once. He’s already a -5 on the season, and he’s pulling the same disappearing act he did two years ago when he was playing with Blake and Tucker. It’s freaking scary to see, and I would like to see that line dismantled because it doesn’t produce ANYTHING.
Despite the fact that Blake, Stajan, and Stålberg look useful as a trio, they actually resemble a vortex to a parallel dimension in which NONE OF THE LEAFS EVER SCORE ANY FUCKING GOALS. Stålberg is going to sink to some pretty low depths if he keeps playing with the pair of cement shoes known as his most recent line mates.
I’d rather see Stålberg skating in the AHL with Bozak and have them bring up Hanson to see what he can do if they’re going to waste the Swede’s skills on that line. Perhaps they could move Mitchell or Stempniak to that line to complete the unholy triumvirate of non-production.
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by Steve@Leafs.HockeyAnalysis.com on Oct 25, 2009 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes
third period, on Blake, there was one he made with his skate blade.
There were two or three others I noticed in the third, point blank shots where he was out of position and if the Leafs had any finish, it would’ve gone in, but the Blake one was absolute robbery.
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by Karina on Oct 25, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
random stuff
Raycroft is 2nd in GAA, and 3rd in save %.
Wellwood also managed to break his toe last night.
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by Karina on Oct 25, 2009 7:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Andy Wozniewski
was leading the AHL in scoring as of yesterday – 13 points in 6 games or something like that… absolutely ridiculous.
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by Steve@Leafs.HockeyAnalysis.com on Oct 25, 2009 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it’s a crazy world right now, I can’t wait for things to normalize.
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by Karina on Oct 25, 2009 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
seriously, the hockey gods hate us right now
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2009 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i second that….. this is absolutley fucked. everything has gone against us
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by Matt_Roberts on Oct 26, 2009 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lmao a daoust. sometimes an impartial observation or 2 is good.
by bringbackbower on Oct 25, 2009 8:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
one thing, and correct me if im wrong, kadr had a decent pre season, duchene is doing well in colorado, we need some offence. why not give the kid a shot?
by bringbackbower on Oct 25, 2009 8:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
he’s been sent down to jr, and cant be called back up.
also bringing kadri into this shit show would not be a good idea, and he is too small and needs to work on the rest of his game more
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2009 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's
in the OHL, not the AHL. Once he was sent down to junior, we can’t call him back up.
He’s also, while quite offensively gifted, not as well-rounded as Duchene, and needs more time to mature.
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by Karina on Oct 25, 2009 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kadri had a decent pre-season
But then again so did Bozak and Hanson and they’re 23 not 18. Why not give them a shot first?
Also we can’t call up Kadri now that he’s playing in London.
Bozak and Hanson are playing for the Marlies, and could easily be brought up.
Also – Kadri isn’t playing that well in the OHL right now, and Bozak isn’t producing much in the AHL.
Tlusty and Hanson are our top scorers for the Marlies right now… they are the next candidates for promotion other than Bozak probably.
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by Steve@Leafs.HockeyAnalysis.com on Oct 25, 2009 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Hanson could bring some needed scoring grit. One thing I noticed last night – no-one was screening Luongo, no one was paying the price physically in front of the net. There was one shift where Hagman had great control of the puck behind the net – but noone battled to get out in front to give him someone to pass to, or to distract Luongo from Hagman.
I think Hanson could address that.
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by Karina on Oct 25, 2009 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bozak, from what ive heard is playing well, he is just having snakebit issues, again, second hand knowledge so it may be false.
I’d love to see Hanson get a shot, his net presence would be fantastic right about now
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2009 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the last thing we need is more players who are snakebit, I’m starting to feel bad for Stempniak.
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by Karina on Oct 25, 2009 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, im not saying Bozak needs a call up, but then how many goals do Grabbo, Mitchell and Wallin have?
I really want to see all three of Hanson, Tlusty and Kulie in the line up instead of Blake, Mitchell and Stemp
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have
this feeling with Stempniak, that if he can just get one dirty goal, they’ll start pouring in. He’s working hard and getting so many chances, I don’t get why he’s missing the net so much, but they’ve gotta come.
I’m done with Mitchell. Blake… looked better last night.
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by Karina on Oct 25, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yah, stemp needs to pot one and get his confidence going, to me it just seems like he is trying too hard for the shot or the sweet deak, he needs to crash the net more.
Blake is starting to play with fire again, which is a good thing, if he sits for a game or two he will come back much better
Mitchell is just horrible this year
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2009 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Problem stats
Toronto only has 9 goals at 5 on 5 – tied with Florida for worst in the league.
They only have 5 goals with a 5 on 4 man advantage which is the 3rd lowest total in the NHL (admittedly there are 6 teams with that same total).
Toronto recieves the 2nd fewest number of power plays per game. They take the 7th most minor penalties per game.
This is a bad combination when you have the worst PK in the NHL, and you can’t score 5 on 5.
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by Steve@Leafs.HockeyAnalysis.com on Oct 25, 2009 8:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah
I see an improved PK coming now that Primeau’s in, and if our goaltending keeps improving.
5 on 5 scoring, I think our shooting % will come back to the mean, as per all the stats at Behind the Net. Then we’ll add Kessel, too.
They really need to work on discipline though, there are too many penalties they take. I was glad that they seemed to control it better in the 2nd and 3rd last night, hopefully that continues from here on out.
Receiving power plays… well there’s nothing we can do about it.
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by Karina on Oct 25, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Receiving power plays… well there’s nothing we can do about it.
The forwards can keep their feet moving when battling against other teams’ defencemen, and force them into taking penalties to prevent scoring chances.
You know, like every other team does against us.
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by clrkaitken on Oct 25, 2009 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or perhaps
They could actually try to DRIVE AND CARRY the puck to the net, rather than firing it blindly in that general direction from 45 feet out.
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by Steve@Leafs.HockeyAnalysis.com on Oct 25, 2009 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The PK looked better last night...
…but, I think a lack of discipline in the 1st burned them.
Also, Komisarek, hands down, played his best game of the season last night. I noticed him on the PK (partially because, in a parade of stupid penalties, he wasn’t the culprit in any of them!), blocking shots, getting in the shot lane, and just overall doing the little things that nobody on the team has done yet.
Am I the only one who thought that failure of a Stempniak breakaway pretty much summed up our season thus far?
by FiftyMissionCap on Oct 26, 2009 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah
Hughson was back doing a Canucks game. The GRRRRRRRRRREEEEEAAAAAATTTTTT SSSSSSAAAAAVVVVEEE
LLLLLUUOOONNNNGGOOOO!!!!! was pre=ordained.
The Mitchell penalty summed up the season so far; Leafs control the play and generate scoring chances, take a penalty 200 feet from their own net and the whole dynamic of the game changes.
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