Leaf of the Day - Oct 6, 2009 - Bunny Larocque
A number of years ago I was at a conference listening to a presentation on data warehousing. The presenter was a Habs fan from Toronto (though in all other respects, his presentaton was very good).
At one point, he addressed the audience (which was about 95% American) and asked, "Do any of you know who Bunny Larocque was?"
I was the only person to put up a hand.
"Yes," I said, "He was quite possibly the single worst starting goaltender in the history of the Toronto Maple Leafs."
The guy was taken aback.
"Well, that's probably true. But he was also the greatest backup you could ask for when he played in Montreal."
"He had a cool mask, though," I offered.
Anyway, he went on with his presentation and nobody paid any mind to this oddball aside by two Canadians.
I have to dispute his assertion, though. I'm not convinced he was a great backup, either.
Part of it, I suppose, comes down to how one defines "great backup." I imagine he didn't complain about a lot, and that helps. I mean, all he had to do was face the Seals, Scouts and Capitals of the world, keep his mouth shut and walk away with yet another Cup ring when the season was over. Not a bad life, really.
But it has always struck me that despite playing behind the same Big Three that Dryden did, and playing all those lousy teams, his GAA was always a good half goal higher than Dryden's was. The win/loss record is kind of deceiving this way. Yes, the Habs beat the Seals 8-3, or whatever, but Dryden would have shut them out.
This all became apparent when he became the Leaf starter and his average suddenly jumped into the high fours/low fives. Benning, Boimistruck and McGill wasn't really the equivalent of Robinson, Lapointe and Savard and now, instead of facing Washington, he was drawing Montreal and Edmonton. It wasn't his fault, really. He was just completely and utterly miscast in Toronto and it showed.
I'll just let that stand.
Now, Bunny isn't really what I wanted to talk about today, but there isn't really a Leaf who illustrates it quite the way I want. The person I really want to talk about is this guy:
via images.theglobeandmail.com
This, to me, is the classic Doug Flutie picture - on the run, looking for something nobody sees, ready to let fly. Doug was the master of the broken play. He was at his most dangerous when things were mostly falling apart, someone was on him and he had to find something while on the run. If the basic plan of the Argos' offensive line wasn't to simply cause havoc and let Doug find something, it should have been. He was awesome at it.
I was working in Buffalo the year he joined the Bills. His first game, he won it late and everyone was gushing over his return. You look at the stat line, though, and he'd gone something like 99 yards in the air. Here, we'd have said it was a lousy game, but he'd scratched something out.
The Bills had this other guy they kept dreaming would be an NFL quarterback. I think his name was Rob Johnson. He was the standard-issue 6'4" monster with the big arm. He just wasn't all that good. The Bills kept oscillating between the two of them, wanting Johnson and going back to Flutie every time Johnson was losing. Flutie would win another one, or have them close, then Johnson would come in and lose it. You'd think they'd learn.
For all that the fans liked him though (remember Flutie Flakes?), Flutie never established himself quite the way I'd have expected. A buddy of mine down there was a big Bills fan and his assessment was this: the Bills wanted a guy who was 6'4" who could stand in the pocket and sling it. They had no idea how to coach a guy like Flutie. The only thing they knew to tell him was to pretend he was Johnson. They couldn't maximize the talents of the guy they had - they needed instead to fit him into the way they coached. For all that this was supposed to be the best football league in the world, the coaches came off to me like a bunch of morons.
Now, and I know we're not to say a certain name today, but ask yourself this: name me a successful 5'9" butterfly goaltender. I honestly can't think of one.
The butterfly seems to me to be a tall goalie's game. If you're going to be dropping to your knees a whole lot, it would help if this didn't mean completely abandoning the upper half of the net. A smaller goaltender has to play a different game - be more aggressive and out at the top of the crease, play the angles, take away the shot.
We've hired what is supposed to be the ultimate goaltending guru, but is it serving both of them well if what he teaches is at odds with what one of the goalies needs to do to be successful? As they say in basketball, you can't teach tall.
Just stuff I'm wondering about based on a couple of throwaway lines in some Leaf articles - both MSM and other.
Bunny did have a cool mask.
Bunny's stats:
| 1967-68 | Ottawa 67's | OHA-Jr. | 4 | 0 | 9.14 | |||||||||
| 1968-69 | Ottawa 67's | OHA-Jr. | 4 | 0 | 7.58 | |||||||||
| 1969-70 | Ottawa 67's | OHA-Jr. | 51 | 3 | 3.63 | 11 | 4 | 6 | 1 | 3 | 3.46 | |||
| 1970-71 | Ottawa 67's | OHA-Jr. | 56 | 5 | 3.39 | |||||||||
| 1971-72 | Ottawa 67's | OHA-Jr. | 55 | 4 | 3.45 | 18 | 8 | 7 | 3 | 1 | 3.21 | |||
| 1972-73 | Nova Scotia Voyageurs | AHL | 47 | 1 | 2.50 | 13 | 0 | 2.84 | ||||||
| 1973-74 | Montreal Canadiens | NHL | 27 | 15 | 8 | 2 | 0 | 2.89 | 6 | 2 | 4 | 0 | 2.97 | |
| 1974-75 | Montreal Canadiens | NHL | 25 | 17 | 5 | 3 | 3 | 3.00 | ||||||
| 1975-76 | Montreal Canadiens | NHL | 22 | 16 | 1 | 3 | 2 | 2.46 | ||||||
| 1976-77 | Montreal Canadiens | NHL | 26 | 19 | 2 | 4 | 4 | 2.09 | ||||||
| 1977-78 | Montreal Canadiens | NHL | 30 | 22 | 3 | 4 | 1 | 2.67 | ||||||
| 1978-79 | Montreal Canadiens | NHL | 34 | 22 | 7 | 4 | 3 | 2.84 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.00 | |
| 1979-80 | Montreal Canadiens | NHL | 39 | 17 | 13 | 8 | 3 | 3.32 | 5 | 4 | 1 | 1 | 2.20 | |
| 1980-81 | Montreal Canadiens | NHL | 28 | 16 | 9 | 3 | 1 | 3.03 | ||||||
| 1980-81 | Toronto Maple Leafs | NHL | 8 | 3 | 3 | 2 | 0 | 5.22 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 6.40 | |
| 1981-82 | Toronto Maple Leafs | NHL | 50 | 10 | 24 | 8 | 0 | 4.69 | ||||||
| 1982-83 | Toronto Maple Leafs | NHL | 16 | 3 | 8 | 3 | 0 | 4.89 | ||||||
| 1982-83 | Philadelphia Flyers | NHL | 2 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 4.00 | ||||||
| 1983-84 | Springfield Indians | AHL | 5 | 3 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 4.18 | ||||||
| 1983-84 | St. Louis Blues | NHL | 5 | 0 | 5 | 0 | 0 | 6.20 | ||||||
| 1984-85 | Peoria Rivermen | IHL | 13 | 7 | 3 | 3 | 0 | 3.13 | ||||||
| Leaf Totals | 74 | 16 | 35 | 13 | 0 | 4.79 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 6.40 | |||
| NHL Totals | 312 | 160 | 89 | 45 | 17 | 3.33 | 14 | 6 | 6 | 1 | 2.92 |
the HHOF take on Bunny:
"Netminder Michel Larocque spent eleven years in the NHL. He was best known as Ken Dryden's backup when the Montreal Canadiens dominated the league in the 1970s.Born in Hull, Quebec, Larocque crossed the Ottawa River to play junior in the OHA with the 67's. Beginning in 1969-70, he led the league in shutouts three straight years and played 162 games over that same time. He also posted the lowest goals against mark in the OHA twice and was named to the league's first and second all-star teams once each. Larocque was also picked as an honourary junior with Team Canada for the 1972 Summit Series against the USSR.
The young star was selected sixth overall by the Montreal Canadiens at the 1972 Amateur Draft. He made an impressive pro debut the next year with a league leading 2.50 goals against average in 47 games for the AHL's Nova Scotia Voyageurs. Larocque was voted on to the league's second all-star team and appeared ready for the NHL.
When Ken Dryden sat out the 1973-74 season to finish law school, Larocque played 27 games as a rookie backing up Wayne Thomas and Michel Plasse. His confidence was give a boost when Montreal opted to start him in the post-season but the team was knocked out by the New York Rangers in first round.
Following the return of Dryden in 1974-75, Larocque settled in as the Habs' backup for the next five seasons. He averaged 30 appearances per year and was a part of the club's four consecutive Stanley Cup wins between 1976 and 1979. Beginning in 1977, he shared the Vezina trophy for three straight years with Dryden.
In 1979-80, Montreal was forced to retool and brought Denis Heron in to share the goalkeeping responsibilities with Larocque. The club was eliminated in the quarter-finals by the Minnesota North Stars and the veteran netminder was relegated to second string status in 1980-81. Prior to the March deadline he was sent to the Toronto Maple Leafs for Robert Picard. He saw plenty of rubber behind the Leafs' horrid defence and was in goal when the Buffalo Sabres scored an NHL-record nine goals in one period during a 14-4 loss. Larocque helped Toronto squeeze into the playoffs where they were crushed by the New York Islanders.
Larocque attempted to start fresh in 1981-82 and played 50 games for a Toronto team that managed to be worse than the previous year's edition. He toiled briefly for the Leafs in 1982-83 before moving on to Philadelphia and St. Louis. He retired after playing 13 games for the IHL's Peoria Rivermen in 1984-85."
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wow
why don’t you leave the biggest piece of bait out that nobody’s allowed to take today???
"Life is just a place where we spend time between games. Hockey is where we live, where we can best meet and overcome pain and wrong and death." - Fred Shero
by Karina on Oct 6, 2009 12:06 PM EDT reply actions
This was 90% done before the edict.
Unlike Mr. Flutie, I can’t think that fast on my feet….
I like the picture. It says to me, “Man, ANOTHER one went in?”
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haha
no worries.
But yes, I believe you’re 100% right. But also, the problem is that the goalie coach that they should have hired to help “he who shall not be named” is dead.
I expect Nabokov to go to a new team next year and have similar problems. Neither of them has been as good since their coach died.
"Life is just a place where we spend time between games. Hockey is where we live, where we can best meet and overcome pain and wrong and death." - Fred Shero
by Karina on Oct 6, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
To me, the hiring of said goalie coach means that all bus-throwing really happened before the season started.
I’m still surprised that someone with the rep of this goalie coach would try to turn a goalie into something his size won’t support. I hope the reports are wrong.
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I think it was pretty clear Allaire was hired to help lure Gustavsson. Also, he’s just a consultant – I think Hirsch is working with our other goalie (and heaven knows that’s not a good situation either).
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by Karina on Oct 6, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
besides,
how does having Allaire around now explain the previous seasons of mediocrity?
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by Sergei Puckizin on Oct 6, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
It doesn’t, nor is it supposed to.
The point is simply that a good coach maximizes the strengths a given player has instead of forcing the player to do something for which he is completely ill-suited.
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agree 100%,
just not seeing the comparison with you-know-who’s rotten play. hoping that any tweaks he’s making to his game are suited for him (and not his groin!).
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by Sergei Puckizin on Oct 6, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
More than once, I’ve seen allusions to conflict between Toskala and Allaire because Allaire is coaching a style that Toskala doesn’t play.
Truth? No idea.
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Allaire was brought in to teach the Monster. Everyone knows that. I’m sure Toskala sees the writing on the wall, and that may also affect his play as well. However, I’m still of the mind that Toskala can be a solid starting goalie if he can get his confidence back.
I don’t question that.
I think in the end that Toskala has been put in an untenable position, a little bit like Potvin when Joseph arrived. The job has been lost, it’s just a question of when the axe falls.
He’s too expensive for the backup role, the expensive coaching resources are being spent on the other guy and even if he succeeds, he’s a bad period away from the bench.
The best he can hope for is to play well enough to leave town.
Leaf, the universe and everything.
I don’t question that.
I think in the end that Toskala has been put in an untenable position, a little bit like Potvin when Joseph arrived. The job has been lost, it’s just a question of when the axe falls.
He’s too expensive for the backup role, the expensive coaching resources are being spent on the other guy and even if he succeeds, he’s a bad period away from the bench.
The best he can hope for is to play well enough to leave town.
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Joey MacDonald's Larocque inspired mask
is almost worth having him on the team for alone.
great mask.
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by blurr1974 on Oct 6, 2009 12:16 PM EDT reply actions
Yes
I remember Larocque playing for the Leafs’ old-timers against the Habs when my grandfather was in the hospital in like 1990. Game at the Gardens and it was amazing. It’s a shame they don’t have more of these televised.
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In the early 80’s there was this old-timer’s series called “The Original Six.” You’d see guys like Alex Delvecchio playing other old-timers who’d had at least a cup of coffee with one of the six teams. Interesting, but real slow. Even though I liked it and watched it, I got the reason why it wasn’t shown the next season.
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I remember that, too. I think they ended up adding other teams, because I feel like there were some games that included Buffalo Sabres old-timers. It was educational, anyway. Billy Harris played for the Leafs, I remember.
by Leaf in Habland on Oct 6, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes I remember these games too. Definitely a different pace than the normal NHL games and maybe an acquired taste. To me they served as afternoon appetizers to the main course to come that evening (which, to strain a metaphor to its breaking point, in those days often didn’t taste great and left me unsatisfied).
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If you’re going to pay homage to someone with your mask, is it wrong to suggest it should maybe be someone like Terry Sawchuk?
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Flutie
I wish the Bills nothing but ill-will for their treatment of Flutie and cheered the Music City Miracle vociferously.
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Same
The Music City Miracle is one of my favourite NFL plays of all time. I still smile whenever I see a replay of it.
Karma is one nasty, vengeful bi-otch, Bills!
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I am a Fins fan
and a CFL fan.
Naturally I was really conflicted – wishing Flutie the best out of respect, as it looked good on the Canadian game and he’s a total class act, while no wanting him to crush the Dolphins as Marino’s playoff chances were dwindling.
Thankfully the Bills cocked it up so badly than I got to root for Dougie and not worry about Buffalo succeeding thanks to the utter mismanagement of their QBs.
Rob “China Doll” Johnson. What a pathetic loser! I’ll never forget him.
In other CFL/NFL news : Dolphins free agent pickup and CFL Defensive POTY (07 & 08) Cameron Wake sacked Trent Edwards three times as part of a 38-10 rout.
Awesome.
I remember Larocque playing lights-out against the high-flying Oilers back in 80 or 81. I couldn’t believe the Leafs came out of that game with a win.
My only other memory of Larocque is I’ve never seen a goalie take the first goal against more personally – that first one always seemed to take the air right out of him.
Sadly, I think he passed away from a brain tumour in the 90s.
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I’ve heard of this game. Did not see it.
My fave of that sort is still the 11-9 win from 1986.
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I remember it...
Found this here:
The next night, with Maple Leaf Gardens jammed and scalpers outside getting $3OO for a pair of seats, the Oilers got thumped 7-1. Wayne got a goal, but he missed an open net and Bunny Larocque stopped him on a penalty shot.
by general borschevsky on Oct 6, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve been madly searching youtube for a clip of that penalty shot with no luck.
Almost 28 years have passed and I can still remember that game…
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Jan 16, 1982
I think Oiler fans have conspired to erase it from the public memory.
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Names you a goalie @ 5'9?
Fred Brathwaite is 5’6-5’7. Not a storied career but pretty good for a short guy.
Arturs Irbe is maybe 5’8 if you’ve ever seen him in person. I’d say 5’7.
There are a lot of goalies in the NHL that are 5’11. I’m sure there are a lot more at 5’9 or under but that’s were the ones from the top of my head.
One guy just drove his semi as a float. I guess semis are cool.
Did those guys play butterfly? I don’t really think of either one as really a butterfly goalie.
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by PPP on Oct 6, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, with the increased popularity of butterfly, the size of goaltenders definitely has increased
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 6, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Irbe played crackhead-looking-for-a-fix style. also known as fish-out-of-water-flopping-about style.
never really saw Brathwaite play too much.
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by blurr1974 on Oct 6, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, Irbe played “Hasek” style, i hated them both
Thomas was the first (successful) goalie to use it that I actually like is Thomas
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