Maple Leafs 1 v. senators 2: Why Have A Rule Book?
We stunk. We had no offence at all. I mean, that was almost embarrassing from seven or eight guys who we are counting heavily on. They only showed up when it was too late (a third-period Matt Stajan power-play goal). Playing on the perimeter, not wanting the puck, not willing to take a hit to make a play. Jittery when we do have the puck. We need a much better effort. To use one of Pat Quinn's best lines, you couldn't find half our forwards with a (World War II) Norden bomb sight. We'll find most of them tomorrow (at today's gruelling morning "bag skate" he hinted at). Show up early and watch. We need to skate without pucks.
- Ron Wilson via Lance Hornby, Toronto Sun
That's about as good of a recap as I could put together for this game. I don't know if I would be flying high as a senators fan considering they barely squeaked out a referee-aided win despite the Leafs playing what will hopefully remain their most listless game of the year. Much like the Bruins teams that came to Toronto just after the lockout completely disinterested in playing hockey the senators last night did a lot of stacking the blue line and chipping the puck out of their zone. They capitalised on two Leafs' miscues, the aforementioned invisible hand of the referee, and a complete lack of urgency on the part of the Maple Leafs.
I guess that the one good outcome of yet another Kerry Fraser screw job is that we now know the rule book better than most. At least, we know it much better than senators fans:
Was it a high stick? Absolutely. But watch the replay. Hell, if they ask nice the league might slow it down enough so that even the Nation understands. High stick connects to puck. Puck connects directly with Latest Overrated Padded Saviour's mid section. Latest Overrated Padded Saviour rolls right. Puck rolls off Latest Overrated Padded Saviour's mid-section over the goal line. In any league on any planet not currently occupied by Leaf fans, that's a goal. So shut the fuck up.
Where to start? Let's go with Rule 80.3 which basically proves that Senators Lost Cojones should continue his search for those grapes:
Disallowed Goal – When an attacking player causes the puck to enter the opponent’s goal by contacting the puck above the height of the crossbar, either directly or deflected off any player or official, the goal shall not be allowed. The determining factor is where the puck makes contact with the stick. If the puck makes contact with the stick below the level of the crossbar and enters the goal, this goal shall be allowed.
And the truth shall set you free! Of course, someone that knows that a team that has a delayed penalty against them has to gain possession of the puck and not just touch it wouldn't have made that error. Oh, and that darned truth will also make you look like the typical senators fan that languishes in this province with scant knowledge of either the NHL prior to their club's inception or of the rules of the game that I can only assume they follow like a dilletante. So to recap what do we have here? A senators fan that not only admits that it was a high-stick goal (which it was) but makes an argument that is accounted for in the rule book and also negates the goal. Not much of a CONSPIRACY!! is it? Seems more like education trumping an Inferiority Complex. What does he have to say about that?
Oh dear. I do believe I've just truculated in my pants.
Being a senators fan it's no surprise that he did so prematurely.
And as Chemmy pointed out this morning, it was not just that call that was blown by Kerry Fraser but the penalty shot call as well.
In the NHL penalty shots are awarded, traditionally, for the following:
(ix) Player on a breakaway who is fouled from behind - Table 13 in NHL Rule 25
Here are the infractions that can lead to a penalty shot: Rule 54 - Holding, Rule 55 - Hooking, Rule 57 - Tripping, Rule 61 - Slashing. Nowhere is high sticking on the list. Seems suspicious right? I mean, it's not like an NHL referee would have any issues knowing the rule book or lacking integrity right? Shit. Well, not too often right? One thing that I'll admit I did learn was the exact language for a double-minor penalty since I had heard, from a senators fan no doubt, that nowhere in the rules did it state that a double-minor was the punishment for drawing blood on a high stick (Rule 60.3):
Double-minor Penalty - When a player or goalkeeper carries or holds any part of his stick above the shoulders of the opponent so that injury results, the Referee shall assess a double-minor penalty for all contact that causes an injury, whether accidental or careless, in the opinion of the Referee.
Noted Ottawa-area senators apologist Down Goes Brown contributes this piece of photographic evidence:
Yeah, that's a foul from behind. Too bad that even in a world where high sticking could lead to a penalty shot (ie not this one) Michalek never broke away from the play to begin with. So two blown calls in 37 seconds take the wind out of the sails of a Leafs team that could have used the benefit of racking up yet another win against the sad-sack senators (4-1-1 last year). I guess it's not really fair to say that it took the wind out of the Leafs' sails since they were pretty much terrible. However, there was a bright spot last night:
Yet through it all, The Monster was, as Schenn said, calm. That really was the thing that stood out about Gustavsson, who came into last Saturday’s horror show against the Washington Capitals at the start of the second period. He used his big body to get in the way of shots as opposed to trying for style points – that is the basic premise of goaltending guru François Allaire’s teachings – and wasn’t perplexed when the play was tight around his net. There was a swatting-at-flies sense to many of his saves that suggested a goaltender who was well-positioned.
The Monster didn't win the game for the Leafs but probably most importantly he didn't lose the team the game either. The first goal was a Benny Hill-esque sequence where Exelby just left the puck to a forward that proceeded to leave it for him. Too bad they didn't communicate. Ian White then slid into Gustavsson and three Leafs stood around watching the senators' forwards instead of planting each one on their ass. In contrast, on the rare occassions when Leafs forwards got near Pascal Leclaire they were tackled to the ice or hooked on their way.
All in all, it wasn't hard to see why Ron Wilson almost dropped a couple of f-bombs in the post-game presser but there were definitely signs of progress. Hopefully, Gustavsson's play provides the defence with the confidence needed to play their games rather than worry that every 40 foot wrist shot will find its way into the net. Stalberg's likely absence will result in most line juggling among the forwards but based on Kulemin's play last night - aggressive, listful, and full of pep - I hope to see the Ponikarovsky - Grabovski - Kulemin line put back together. Either way, those twelve will have to demonstrate a lot more willingness to compete.
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Except possibly for the shitty-reffing link. There’s more there than some ref reputedly making bad or “substandard” calls. There’s some kind of strange black-balling going on.
The testimony formed part of the ongoing hearing into Warren’s allegations that he was fired last year because of his vigorous advocacy as an executive member of the NHL Officials’ Association.
http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2009/9/24/1052779/nhl-ref-axed-for-being-pro-union
http://www.thestar.com/sports/hockey/nhl/article/705968—ref-made-phantom-calls-says-nhl
I mean, if the league is hell-bent-for-leather to eliminate shitty officiating, then Kerry Fucking Fraser is Exhibit #1 that they are completely and totally full of crap.
"We've had an ongoing problem with Grabovski this year." Bob Gainey, 4/04/09
The Capitals feel the reffing at their game last night was horrible too.
In fact, I’ve heard from a LOT of different games involving many different teams that the refs have been terrible so far this year
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by Karina on Oct 7, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, I don’t disagree with that at all, Karina. I’m disagreeing with that particular link being used as an example of this reffing.
When I watch the prime-times games, it appears, once again, that they are reffing for the fans or for the league’s image.
In general, it’s just a mess.
"We've had an ongoing problem with Grabovski this year." Bob Gainey, 4/04/09
That link highlights that refs don’t have the market cornered on integrity.
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by PPP on Oct 7, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Agree
And Warren’s lawyer should make that argument.
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by PPP on Oct 7, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
having not been assigned a playoff game in several seasons.
Wings fan by birth. Leafs fan by truculent osmosis.
There was a part I disagreed with.
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by Down Goes Brown on Oct 7, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Give SLC credit...
…his logic may be as flawed as it was last time I visited that site (Toronto sucks because he flew over it on a plane once or some similar nonsense), but at least he managed to get through that post without making any gay jokes.
Maybe Sens fans are growing up?
Michalek never broke away from the play to begin with
But just to be clear, unless I misunderstand the rules for a penalty shot there’s no requirement that the player “break away” from anything. He needs to be controlling the puck in the offensive zone, have nobody between him and the goal, get fouled from behind, and lose a scoring chance. All those apply to Michalek.
The only argument with the penalty shot should be over whether a high-stick can actually cause one. If so, there’s really nothing else to question.
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indeed, but the fact that i have heard “it wasnt a clear break away so its not a penalty shot” used and then the one time it doesnt matter is against the leafs it pisses me off a might
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 7, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Schenn’s shoulders are ahead of Michalek’s hips. I’m not sure I’d call that “from behind”.
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You’re starting to sound like a Sens fan trying to argue that Alfie’s hit on Tucker wasn’t from behind.
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by Down Goes Brown on Oct 7, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry for looking at the picture and pointing out that they’re a lot closer to side by side than one behind the other.
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that is
the point i was trying to make on the post-game thread yesterday.
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by Sergei Puckizin on Oct 8, 2009 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Okay ... let's just pretend both guys were naked in a prison shower
and Michalek was reaching for a dropped bar of soap. Then it sure looks to me like some other kinda high-sticking is totally possible. A kind of high-sticking you can’t do unless you are behind the other guy (… or you are Gumby …. or maybe a yogi … or work for Cirque de Soleil). Schenn was behind Michalek
I totally agree with DGB and have no problem with the Penalty Shot. We all know they like to call them more than ever before and this example falls well within the range of the usual standards.
The high-stick goal sucked though.
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by Mike Pelyk's Hairdo on Oct 7, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Slash-fic, here we come.
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me either
but i like it
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 7, 2009 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, it says that it has to be a foul from behind so I’ll cede that there was a foul from behind however it wasn’t one of the prescribed ones that leads to a penalty shot.
Also, ‘breakaway’ has always indicated that the player was actually free and clear. I don’t think Michalek hit that requirement. Although, I guess since it’s not in the rule book as such that it is up to interpretation.
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by PPP on Oct 7, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Kinda like getting blood from a high stick instantly means 4 minutes?
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No, that’s actually in the rules. If you injury someone from a high stick (blood), you get a double minor.
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Section 60.3
60.3 Double-minor Penalty – When a player or goalkeeper carries or holds any part of his stick above the shoulders of the opponent so that injury results, the Referee shall assess a double-minor penalty for all contact that causes an injury, whether accidental or careless, in the opinion of the Referee.
Where does it say blood. It just says Injury
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in the opinion of the Referee.
If I’m a refree, which I am, blood equals injury to me. But just a whack on the face wouldn’t. Blood is just the easiest and most common form of “injury”.
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Yes
Blood does equal injury but what if it just leaves a goose egg? That should be a double minor too but it doesn’t get called that way.
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by PPP on Oct 7, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s funny because by the letter of the law it says ‘injury’ so a bruise or even pain fits that description. It’s become ‘blood’ but it’s not really.
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by PPP on Oct 7, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Well the injury part is up to the referee’s discretion….
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Yup
But it makes me laugh that I’ve seen double minors not get called because a player loses a tooth but doesn’t bleed.
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by PPP on Oct 7, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, that’s kind of bull. It’s the ref’s job to check on the player who got whacked, and seeing them sans tooth would equate to injury for me.
BTW, how do you lose a tooth but not bleed?
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No idea but it was the strangest thing I’d ever seen.
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by PPP on Oct 7, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe
not lose the whole tooth, but broke it?
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by Karina on Oct 7, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmmm
It was before the lockout and it looked like the entire tooth.
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by PPP on Oct 7, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
hah
yeah this happens a lot
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by Karina on Oct 7, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
heh
Almost never but still, makes you wonder if the play-by-play guys that are always calling for blood know about it.
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by PPP on Oct 7, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
saw it
in the canucks/blue jackets game. Burrows lost half a tooth, no double penalty .
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by Karina on Oct 7, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
crosby got his choppers broke AND there was blood last year from pronger and i dont think there was any call
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 7, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
as I said above
the refs have been atrocious so far this season, not just in Leaf games.
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by Karina on Oct 7, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Look at their skates. Schenn’s left leg is ahead of Michalek’s right leg. Michalek is angling towards the corner and using his body to shield the puck and prevent OLAS from overtaking him. The two players would be side-by-side if Michalek wasn’t sticking his ass into Schenn’s way.
Look at where Michalek’s head is. It’s at elbow level. Why is he using his own face to shield himself from a hook? What does he expect to happen?
by general borschevsky on Oct 7, 2009 3:35 PM EDT reply actions
heh
see, all these little details are things that I wish a ref would notice, but they seem to be overly reactive at times.
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by Karina on Oct 7, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
The two players would be side-by-side if Michalek wasn’t sticking his ass into Schenn’s way.
Flip side: Michalek would be further ahead of him if Schenn didn’t have his stick wrapped around his torso.
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by Down Goes Brown on Oct 7, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
also, this photo is post highstick, thus the weird posturing on Michaleks part,
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 7, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Here’s the youtube link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THpctSJs-74#t=0m59s
You can pause and unpause as much as you want, you won’t find a view where they’re remotely side by side.
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by Down Goes Brown on Oct 7, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Schenn is close enough to make “legal” body contact. This is not an unimpeded scoring chance that could only be disrupted by an illegal play, it just happened to be one of the ways it was disrupted.
Both players are essentially equal distance to the net.
by general borschevsky on Oct 7, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Both players are essentially equal distance to the net.
I’m just not seeing that.
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by Down Goes Brown on Oct 7, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Here’s another point of view. The PUCK determines Michalek’s position since he is in control of it. Yet the puck is not out of Schenn’s reach. The only thing preventing OLAS from possessing the puck is Michalek’s body. If Michalek isn’t there, Schenn is in possession on the puck. Therefore, they’re both roughly occupying the same space.
by general borschevsky on Oct 7, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s not how the rule is written. Clearly, both the puck and Michalek are between Schenn and the goalie. That’s a breakaway.
‘Breakaway’ isn’t really defined. By your definition a guy could get a penalty shot after he comes off the side boards as long as he has a clear path and the penalty is from behind.
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by PPP on Oct 7, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
dgb is right. the only way this call is debatable is whether or not a high stick call can be applied to a penalty shot.
id like to know why michalek wasnt forced to take the shot… he was back on the ice right after alfie scored…
anyways, just get over it guys. no need to make a mountain out of a molehill
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Re: michalek. Because the high stick drew blood, he was forced to leave the ice. Same as any other time.
Gomez had to leave the ice after Komi clipped him in the face in the first game.
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Yup, because Michalek was “injured” he didn’t have to take the shot and therefore the Captain of the team tells the referee who is taking the shot.
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Anybody on the ice can take it.
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by PPP on Oct 7, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Not if the referee awards the penalty shot to the fouled player specifically. Which they almost always do when it’s one guy on a break away.
The “anyone on the ice” rule is used to penalty shots that are awarded to a team in general for thing like throwing a stick, covering the puck in the crease by a non-goalie player, or intentionally knocking the net off during a shot.
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Oh really?
Did not know that. Well, nice of Michalek to fake his injury. I mean seriously, dental work? Danny Markov laughs at your wimpiness MILAN!
Seriously, though, that’s interesting. Too bad the Monster bit so hard on Alfie’s fake.
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by PPP on Oct 7, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s hard to be equally distant when, y’know, your not.
Look, if Schenn had made a legal body check or used his shoulder to ride him into the boards instead of hooking then high-sticking Michalek we wouldn’t have a problem here.
But what do players who are beat do? They hook and slash. Luke clearly knows how to deliver a hit, so if he could have he would have, but instead of throwing the hit she hooks and slashes. What does that tell you?
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by Pamplemousse on Oct 7, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Also
Please don’t ostracize me for calling Schenn “she”, that was the worst kind of typo.
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by Pamplemousse on Oct 7, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Burn him at the stake!
I want to trade players between my teams. Spoon can go to the Leafs (truculossity!), and Vesa can go to the Tigers, where conceding 6 points a game puts you at the top of the league, not the bottom.
Secondly is your username a reference to the old Radio Free Vestibule sketch about interviewing for a bilingual job when you only speak English?
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Nope
My user name is a reference to the fact that I think the word Pamplemousse is hilarious, and that I used to write a blog called French for Grapefruit.
Also, I actually can’t speak French and I was born in 1980, so there’s the tagline too.
Although Radio Free Vestibule was pretty kickass for a while there.
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by Pamplemousse on Oct 7, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Well damn, Thought I had caught on to a very obscure reference.
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Now I kinda wish it was a very obscure reference.
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by Pamplemousse on Oct 7, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Like a rented mule.
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by Pamplemousse on Oct 7, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Pause the video at 1:00, 1:01. Both players cross the blueline together. Michalek pulls a half-step ahead of Schenn but as they cross the bottom of the FACE-OFF banner they’re side by side again. Michalek then turns his back to protect himself from the hook and then STOPS SKATING and Schenn runs into the back of him and spins him around.
Maybe I’m old school, but back in the day it seems you had to have at least a full stride on a guy and be out of his “legal” reach for the refs to call it a penalty shot. Otherwise it was just hooking.
by general borschevsky on Oct 7, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Schenn runs into the back of him
i.e. Schenn is behind him. Case closed.
Maybe I’m old school, but back in the day it seems you had to have at least a full stride on a guy and be out of his "legal" reach for the refs to call it a penalty shot. Otherwise it was just hooking.
Well, sure. Back in the day you had to actually, well, “hook” a guy, not just lightly brush him with your stick like you do today. But that’s not how it’s been called for years. No point getting upset about it now.
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by Down Goes Brown on Oct 7, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Their feet are less then a stride apart. Their hips are connected. If Michalek wasn’t leaning forward but standing straight up like Schenn, they’d be shoulder to shoulder.
Schenn runs into the back of him
i.e. Schenn is behind him. Case closed.
Pretty hard not to run into the back of someone who’s leaning forwards and swivels their hips into you, even if you’re approaching them from the SIDE. Justy ‘cause he hit him in the back doesn’t mean that’s where he approached him from. Pretty sure Alfredsson will tell you the same thing.
In retrospect I don’t think Schenn played it very well and I think Michalek played it brilliantly, but I still don’t think this is a penalty shot ‘cause where I come from, it has to be a “clear cut” breakaway to call a penalty shot. Just like the notion in baseball where the tie goes to the runner, if there’s any doubt at all, if it isn’t absolutely clear that it should be a penalty shot, then you don’t call it, you give a 2 minute minor. It’s not a call that should ever be made based on shades of grey and referee’s discretion. There should be no disputing a penalty shot.
I wasn’t the only one who thought this shouldn’t have been a penalty shot. There is some disagreement and debate. It’s a QUESTIONABLE call. And that’s my whole point. Regardless of what the rulebook actually says, a penalty shot, just like a penalty in overtime, should never be a questionable call. We shouldn’t have to go to the rulebook to see if it technically qualifies and we shouldn’t have to scrutinize the video for an entire day. We should look at it once and all of us say “Ya, that’s a penalty shot.”
No point getting upset about it now.
Imagine if this wasn’t the third game of the year, but the LAST game of the year, with playoff positions hanging in the balance, or worse, the seventh game of a playoff series. If the outcome of this game had greater importance I don’t think that call gets made, or if it does, it becomes a huge controversy. If we don’t get upset when it happens now, we’re only gonna be that much more upset when it happens again.
by general borschevsky on Oct 7, 2009 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
In all honesty I’m probably not being objective because I’m just a big homer, but I will dispute any questionable call that seriously hurts my team. If I don’t, who will?
by general borschevsky on Oct 7, 2009 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I feel pretty good about this loss. It was one of the ugliest, most boring games I’ve ever seen, and the sens needed a penalty shot and a power play to score, after which they promptly lined up 5 guys in the neutral zone and made like the Devils circa 1995.
We can aruge all day about the finer points of officiating and rule interpretation, but Kerry Fraser or not, you’re still doing it with the added benefit of multiple angles and slow motion replay.
Seriously, if the Leafs play this poorly all season, and lose games by a goal, the issue isn’t officiating.
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by blurr1974 on Oct 7, 2009 4:00 PM EDT reply actions
completely unrelated
LeClaire’s pads are horribly ugly.
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by Karina on Oct 7, 2009 4:19 PM EDT reply actions
they’re like really thick tube socks.
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by blurr1974 on Oct 7, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
these are awesome pads.
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by Karina on Oct 7, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
that picture is just pure awesome
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 7, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
THESE are awesome pads.
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by blurr1974 on Oct 7, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
but
those would be horribly heavy
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by Karina on Oct 7, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Mike Palmateer and all of his 5’ 9" 170 lb frame could handle them…
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by blurr1974 on Oct 7, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I miss
Trevor Kidd. His checkerboard pads, not his terrible play or ridiculous hair stylings.
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by Sergei Puckizin on Oct 8, 2009 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
he looks like a pack of fruit stripe gum
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 7, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions
ESPN Page 2 did a whole feature on goalie pads and equipment. They also made note of Leclaire for his use of stripes and non-generic looking pads like you did, karina. http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=lukas/091001&sportCat=nhl
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NHL: Stop whining, Canucks
NHL has rendered its verdict on “tampering,” aka the latest “NHL Fake Outrage” incident to delight DGB.
To sum up: Wilson fined for publicly mentioning the Sedins before July 1.
“No evidence whatsoever” of tampering with the Sedins.
The Leafs TV clip was not tampering and will not be punished.
Canucks instructed to shut up about this going forward (as are the Leafs, for the appearance of fairness).
I've joined the truculentsia.
Winners / Losersd
This I know. Winners win. Losers complain.
lame troll is lame
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 7, 2009 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Couple of things...
1. Lame troll is lame
2. I assume that you’re a sens troll although you haven’t even signed up for the sens blog but should anyone in your fanbase be talking about whining considering how much bitching you gals still do about how Quinn’s teams repeatedly show your team the door in the playoffs?
3. Check out Silver Seven Sens.
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by PPP on Oct 8, 2009 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions
review the tape
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WyTF8WrVFU
Technically, just after Michalek receives the puck he is ahead of Schenn. Shcenn then hooks him around the mid-section, from behind. Not behind by a lot, but if we are splitting hairs here, technically that was what (stricly by the rule-book) drew the penalty shot.
Immediately after the hook (which slows Michalek down a little) Schen tries to reach around and lift Milan’s stick, except he misses and the stick doesn’t stop until after dislodging a couple of teeth.
If you want to go by the rule-book, then the hook should have led to the penalty shot, while the high-sticking foul should have been double minor. In other words, Fraser let you off the hook a bit :)
As for the Donovan goal, no question in my mind that it was high. Unfortunately in the replay from the only angle that could possibly show anything conclusively, the puck is obscured from view (by no less than two Sens high sticks) at around the moment of contact. So it was impossible to definitively say that it was a high stick.
Of course Fraser blew it, since he was in position to see the whole thing. Don’t worry, this one went against you, I’m sure you’ll get many more blown calls this year, both for and against, as will the Sens.
And, yeah, the Sens better play with a little more finish if they want to have a chance at being a .500 team.
by wprager on Oct 8, 2009 8:45 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
The high stick is a pain especially because the ref was sitting about 36 inches away and should have been able to see it.
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by PPP on Oct 8, 2009 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Anyone else
just as frustrated by the Komikazi double-poster in the third? What are the odds? Such a brutally annoying play. No bounces the other night even when they were working for them. Argh.
I love my team, I love my team, I love my team, I love my team, I love my team, I love my team, I love my team, I love my team…
/rocking in the corner
Identical to Sergei Berezin in every way, only 1/10 his size.
From Russia with GLOVE SIDE!
by Sergei Puckizin on Oct 8, 2009 10:19 AM EDT reply actions
yeah, I’m used to it, bounces never seem to favour the Leafs
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 8, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Most objective people would say you suffer from paranoia.
I have seen too much Leaf related to agree with those people….
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Oct 8, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions

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