Tampering charges against the Leafs resolved
And the result? The Leafs were fined for the comments made by Ron Wilson, but were just verbally reprimanded for the latest charges regarding the name-dropping of players in the draft.
I wonder how long the league had to stifle their laughs when they had to seriously deal with the accusations lobbied by the Canucks. After all. for the Leafs to commit such an egregious act bordering on a massive conspiracy, a team actually needs to care about the opposition. Somehow, I doubt anyone taking the Vancouver Canucks all that seriously.
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those comments were dumb… glad nothing really resulted from the latest charges. Damn Aquilini.
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by Karina on Oct 7, 2009 6:15 PM EDT reply actions
Yeah
shouldn’t have said the first part but the second was meant to be private.
That’s likely the distinction.
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by PPP on Oct 7, 2009 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Leafs TV needs to be more careful with their editing, as well.
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by Karina on Oct 7, 2009 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Why?
This wasn’t made public until months after it could have impacted anything.
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Impacted anything...
except of course the players who found out from friends/family that they were trade bait at the draft?
They might not have thought about it before all this arose… and since they aren’t that old, and the Canucks are their first team in the NHL, it might be a bit jarring an experience for them.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Are the rules intended to protect their feelings, or the team’s ability to deal with them as assets?
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The latter.
And it definitely impacts on the relationship the Canucks have with players who happen to be under contract.
As I said below, they didn’t commit tampering, but they should know better, and I can understand why Gillis would be annoyed.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Filing a grievance with the NHL
probably wasn’t intended to actually punish the Leafs, it was a means of attracting the League’s notice to the percieved behaviour. That way if anything similar happens again, the Canucks can rightfully say it’s a pattern of behaviour and not just a one off occurence.
The Leafs should tread carefully in that regard, as they don’t want to damage themselves further in regards to drafting and free agency.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
yes
and given that it’s a team run station, they should know better than to let stuff like this get through. I’d say that Burke was unhappy this was let out, and if it happens again, I imagine heads will roll.
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by Karina on Oct 7, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
See my "It’s not against the rules, but if you do it again, we’ll punish you" post further down.
A very slimy tactic, but to their credit, it appears to have worked.
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I think we may be agreeing on the issue and arguing over whose rhetoric is most appropriate.
I don’t object to the notion that it could be considered an irritant for Gillis, or even a tactically unwise move for Burke. It seems to me, though, that some people are convinced that if it didn’t violate the letter of the tampering rules, it did violate the spirit, which I find absurd. At absolute worst, you might call it jackassey, and I’d probably even stop short of that.
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Definitely
Someone should read the video editors the CBA.
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by PPP on Oct 7, 2009 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Wasn’t it said on the radio live?
A Nation of Masochists I can't believe "Stay Truculent!!!1" replaced goodbye.
Oh never mind…it;s Burkie.
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The Canucks
ARE A BUNCH OF BIG BABIES
A Toronto sports blog, where unabashed homerism is alive and well...
makes me feel sorry for Alix
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 7, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
“That while unfortunate and inappropriate, the inclusion of a brief reference to the names of a pair of current Vancouver Canucks players in a television segment that aired once on Leafs TV last week did not constitute a tampering offense under League rules, and that no League action will be taken, or League sanction imposed on the Maple Leafs’ organization as a result.
“The Maple Leafs have been advised that the League likely would impose discipline for any future inappropriate conduct on their part that may cause, or may reasonably be perceived to cause, damage to the Canucks’ franchise, or its relationship with its existing players and/or employees.
Emphasis added.
“It’s not against the rules, but if you do it again, we’ll punish you.”
This is the closest I’ve ever come to a positive thought about Bill Daly, and I still want to set him on fire.
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In related news...
MLSE has announced that it has purchased the Vancouver Canucks, GM Place, and about sixty percent of the city of Vancouver. The plan is to fold the Canucks immediately, and rent out GM place to store garbage from the GTA.
hehehe
nice
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by Karina on Oct 7, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe
the main reason Burke traded our picks away is because otherwise the NHL would have taken then :P
A Nation of Masochists I can't believe "Stay Truculent!!!1" replaced goodbye.
I thought about that too… paranoia? not if they are really out to get you…
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Oct 7, 2009 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions
The Leafs didn't commit tampering
But discussing another team’s players that way is virtually taboo in the NHL. Burke and Wilson just need to keep their mouths shut regarding players on other teams.
Ignoring that sort of unspoken rule can burn bridges with other GM’s.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Wilson was being dumb.
I didn’t see the Leafs TV special, but is there any reason to believe that Burke was making the statement about the possible deal with the idea of it becoming public?
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by Karina on Oct 7, 2009 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I've read other places
that what Burke did a couple years ago (live-blogging the trade deadline) was waaaaaaay worse than dropping a rumour he heard. I mean, he even prefaced it as such.
But Wilson slipped up, and deserved a fine. Nothing more.
I don’t remember that he mentioned any names in that diary.
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by PPP on Oct 7, 2009 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions
The whole thing is just a list of names and prices:
We’re interested in Peter Forsberg, but when Philadelphia general manager Paul Holmgren calls I tell him we aren’t trading (first-round pick) Bobby Ryan. We go through a package and I reject several names, including Corey Perry.
[Holmgren and I] discuss multiple names to go with the high pick and they ask for specific players (Perry, Ilya Bryzgalov, Chris Kunitz). I like Homer and want him to succeed, but I’m thinking we would be better off looking at Todd Bertuzzi and the possibility of landing another defenseman. But (Florida GM/coach) Jacques Martin isn’t shopping Bertuzzi yet. We are looking at defensemen around the league who could end up being available —Brent Sopel, Brad Stuart and Sami Salo. But I think Vancouver is trying to re-sign Salo.
Phoenix offered me Ladislav Nagy for a first-round pick. I call Doug MacLean about the possibility of acquiring Fredrik Modin.
Tampa Bay offers goalie Gerald Coleman and a second for O’Brien. We want a first- round pick.
Sather talks to me about O’Brien, and Pleau asks if I want to revisit the Tkachuk deal and make it bigger. We decide it’s not going to work, but we are interested in Bill Guerin. Sather tells me he’s got a good offer for Aaron Ward from another team
.
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I’d love to see his notes on the leafs draft, but even if they were released 10 years from now someone would probably call tampering
/looks west
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 8, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Hmmm
I don’t remember that piece very well.
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 7, 2009 7:24 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Convenient Timing
It’s clear that this was a ploy by Gillis to shift attention away from his team’s early struggles this season. He waited for the perfect time to bring this up and chose the perfect venue to do so (Pratt and Taylor on Team 1040). That show has become the fox news of sports radio with all talking points somehow relating to Toronto, or whatever Gillis wants them to say. As a resident of Vancouver, it is amazing how much these guys whine about Toronto. Pratt, like Glenn Beck, believes that as long as you repeat something enough, it will magically come true. In this case, it is that Burke has a vendetta against the Canucks, and that the Leafs have a bare cupboard and an old team, etc.
It is also interesting to note that Gillis’ first complaint against the Leafs came right around the same time as him coming up dry on brining in any new talent to his club via free agency. The Vancouver media has given him a free pass on both.
Some markets, like Vancouver are homerific.
Some are bipolar, like the SNES media
Some are actually pretty good over all, with some wacko extremists – see Habs Media
Then, there is the Toronto media… ask Godd Till and Kim Jorn about that, they are experts
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Oct 7, 2009 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I’m well aware of how negative the Toronto media can be. They are the polar opposite of Vancouver. The funny thing is that the media here are always talking about how biased the Toronto media is towards the Leafs. Have they ever read Berger, Cox, or Simmons?
clearly not
the Vancouver media are inane, I can’t stand listening to them, or reading them….
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by Karina on Oct 7, 2009 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
middle sibling syndrome PAY ATTENTION TO ME, I AM SPECIAL AND UNIQUE!!
while Ottawa is the youngest and gets all the head pats and baby talk while toronto is the oldest, gets blamed for everything and takes all the heat from the other two ungrateful little jerks because big brother is bigger, stronger and more successful
not to mention his Ex wife Montreal is a sexy, yet totally insane stripper with no morals
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 7, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
You are running at 100% today with your comments, Jared… good stuff
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Oct 7, 2009 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
the montreal part is spot on.
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by Karina on Oct 7, 2009 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess that makes Calgary and Edmonton the cousins nobody remembers or cares about until we see them once around Christmas?
Resident Capologist
Calgary yes. Edmonton is the uncle everyone pretends wasn’t bouncing back and forth between jail and rehab when they see him on his triennial week of freedom.
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edmonton is the recovering heroin addict uncle who owned a car dealership in the 80s and had a speed boat and a delorian before he got hooked on the H and sold all his possessions to the LA pawn shop to feed the habit
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 7, 2009 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Welcome
Thanks for joining.
Godd Till calls Pratt and Taylor called Total Prat and Failure which is amazing.
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by PPP on Oct 7, 2009 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Fortunately the news of this decision came out just before a game- all the emo Canuck fans will be distracted.
"We've had an ongoing problem with Grabovski this year." Bob Gainey, 4/04/09
hah
head over to Nucks Misconduct… they seem to be confused.
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by Karina on Oct 7, 2009 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Do I cut myself because we’re 0-3, or do I cut myself because we’ve been proven, once again, to be a village of whiners?
"We've had an ongoing problem with Grabovski this year." Bob Gainey, 4/04/09
teehee
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 7, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
plus
one fan on Kuklas seems to think they deserved a 1st round pick out of this??
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by Karina on Oct 7, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
some fans think they deserve a first round pick if Burke looks at their gm funny
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 7, 2009 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions
We do! Now hand ’em o-
oh.
Join me on the Hockey Blog Adventure! (or Twitter.) GO BRUINS! (and Wild!)
by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Oct 7, 2009 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
at least you guys gave us Kessel back, much better than the last deal…
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 7, 2009 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s really good.
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by PPP on Oct 7, 2009 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m confused too…. I have no idea who to cheer for tonight. My hatred of the Canucks and Habs is almost equal. Is it wrong to hope for a massive Earthquake to rip through GM Place thereby injuring all players for both teams?
(editors note: Earthquake likely caused by one Wellwood, Kyle. )
Canucks to lose just so they have a longer losing streak than the Leafs, even though I hate the habs a billion times more
im petty like that sometimes
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 7, 2009 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I like… very much
The earthquake would kinda be pretty sucky for me, on a personal level.
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by Karina on Oct 7, 2009 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, you knew what you were getting yourself into there
ugh, those two morons over at Kuklas think the Leafs are being protected by the NHL…..no words, i want to write a snark filled reply but all i can think of is “stop being a fucking idiot you two asstards”
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 7, 2009 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions
that’s why I didn’t say anything either.
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by Karina on Oct 7, 2009 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, there is being a blind homer, and there is just being plain ignorant and stupid (see the dummy nut that responded to me at fiveforsmiting)
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 7, 2009 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m composing a respectful disagreement with their position as we speak. As of the current draft, the words “sand” and “vagina” only occur twice in the first paragraph.
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Don’t interrupt the beauty of first-rate idiocy, Jared. It’s like watching a rare, but dumb animal run off a cliff.
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vancouver fans are more lemming like than lemmings
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 7, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
indeed, and this is why many believe the media’s trash about this being the best team ever, and that Brian Burke is all that is evil.
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by Karina on Oct 7, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
they are a lot like sens fans in that respect, try convincing a sens fan that Burke didnt do a single thing to make the ducks a cup winner and it was all murray building through the draft
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 7, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Just think of a time before the advent of the blogosphere when fans of every other team in the league had no idea how idiotic Vancouver fans are.
this is
so true.
In fact, before the blogosphere, I never even stopped to think that there would be Canucks fans.
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by Karina on Oct 7, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions
i can honestly say i never talked to a nucks fan before the interwebs, same with a flames fan
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 7, 2009 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Too far? Yeah, it may put a damper on the Olympics if GM Place were destroyed. At least they wouldn’t have to worry about losing any of their Stanley Cup banners hanging from rafters if it did occur.
I think I’m going to feel dirty by cheering for the Habs. An 0-4 Canucks start is way more enjoyable in the long run and Montreal will regress towards the mean in the long run.
the secret is not to cheer for anything, you just cheer against vancouver, you can still boo the montreal goals, just boo the van goals harder
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 7, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Canucks to win, only because i have a few of their players (including Luongo) in my hockey pools
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Oct 7, 2009 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d want the ‘Nucks to win, only to get Luongo’s confidence back, which could lead to a golden performance for Canada at the 2010 Winter Games.
Oh, and ‘cause of Ryan Kesler. He’s alright.
Truculence is Everything.
Also note: I have done 3 drafts in Yahoo and I did not draft a single Sen or Hab.
Some bias there, I guess.
I do, however, have to admit to picking up a Josh Georges on waivers… the way their D are dropping like flies he should get some primo(not Premeau) PP time.
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Oct 7, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d’ve picked up Marc-Andre Bergeron instead.
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by Karina on Oct 7, 2009 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
This was pre MAB arrival
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Oct 7, 2009 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions
fair enough…
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by Karina on Oct 7, 2009 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Habs sucks!
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 7, 2009 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions
In other news
The Vancouver Whitecaps missed their playoff game at Swangard stadium this evening. The players blamed a confusion resulting from hearing a loud soccer chant of Ole Ole Ole emanating from the area around GM Place. Naturally, they thought the venue for the game had been changed.
oh man
my husband had been listening to sports talk radio on his drive home… got home and told me that the Canucks deserved a draft pick out of this.
D’oh.
However, I explained the difference between Wilson’s comments and what New Jersey did all those years ago… and eventually, he came to my side.
But man, was that a lot of effort.
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by Karina on Oct 7, 2009 9:56 PM EDT reply actions
did you punch him in the temple?
because he deserved it
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 7, 2009 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions
haha
no, I used logic and reason to outwit him.
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by Karina on Oct 7, 2009 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
my way is more fun
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 7, 2009 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
A woman who uses logic and reason to outwit her husband.
And she likes the Leafs??
<3 <3 <3
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Oct 7, 2009 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
He doesn’t have much choice listening to Vancouver radio. They could announce that the Leafs are trading every draft pick to the Canucks and still somehow, there’s a conspiracy that Toronto is favoured by Canada the NHL.
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of course
but hard as I try, he won’t stop listening to stupid Vancouver radio, so I am left to battle these inane ideas at home.
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by Karina on Oct 7, 2009 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
does he think the toronto media is in love with the leafs and that the NHL is in the pension plan pocket?
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 7, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
no
he’s well educated in regards to that.
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by Karina on Oct 8, 2009 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Hah, I don’t blame him at all. He needs to listen to something. You should make him a mixtape of music, while splicing in highlights of the best Leafs moments in between each song.
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There’s subliminal, liminal and superliminal!
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Oct 7, 2009 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
HEY YOU, JOIN THE NAVY
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 7, 2009 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
good ole LT Smash
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Oct 7, 2009 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
that was Sublime – what i got, coming up next is…Sundin…DING SCORES!!!
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 7, 2009 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
this
is brilliant.
Wendel Clark will replace Trevor Linden in his heart.
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by Karina on Oct 8, 2009 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Update from twitter (of course): Ron Wilson’s comments has led to a $25,000 fine for the Leafs, as per Bob Mckenzie.
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Bull-fuckin-shit.
The Leafs might want to sign good players? Players might be involved in trades? People speculate about possible moves before the draft and free agency? What are the fucking odds?
This is a fuss about nothing and the Canucks should shut the fuck up, grow the fuck up and act like men.
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It’s in the fanshots already
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That made my day
The author must live in Vancouver to peg their fans so well. The 94 finals are talked about so much around here that I’ve talked to more than a few fans that actually believe they won the cup that year!
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