HAPPY BIRTHDAY LUKE SCHENN!
by blurr1974 on Nov 2, 2009 5:00 AM EST
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The bestest Luke Schenn picture on the internets, courtesy of our very own WAC (via i41.tinypic.com)
- MLHS wonders: is now the best time to trade Tomas Kaberle?
- Kavel Pubina is sending birthday wishes Luke Schenn's way.
- TSM is wondering if Brian Burke has begun shopping, and could Anaheim have something of value?
- Far Away Leaf Can't believe Vesa Toskala is happy with his performance.
- Leafs247 tries to explain to the trolls how all they ever do is hurt their cause.
- Norman James got a message from a friend, giving up on the Leafs.
- Over at BMR, Schulz found a fan-fic piece on Bran Burke. Problem is, no one is entirely sure what to make of it...
- Toronto Mike went to watch the Marlies game, but ended up catching the Viktor Stalberg show.
- Everyone knows you should never shake a baby, but Frozen Leafs is hoping it's okay to give Vesa a good shake.
- Is, what appears to be, the imminent return of Phil Kessel a product of "rushing" him to get ready? And if so, is it really worth it?
- Leaf and Lion had 30 goals for the team last week. Have they met any?
- Steve is confused by something Howard Berger wrote. It's ok, Berger is as well.
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I'm really glad
that Leafs247 wrote his article in secret code which can’t be deciphered by leaf haters. Also known as plain, unbroken English.
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Just posted something else for the FTB
Just wondering.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
I don’t know, but pulling up Tlusty for two games and sending him back down probably doesn’t help a guy who seems like a confidence case to start with.
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Gah.
Talking about whether or not Kessel is ready is scary. We can trust the medical people responsible for OK-ing his return, can’t we? And the full-out scrimmaging that he has to have done by now, that’s got to count for something too, right? He says he’s ready to go, and that he feels great, so he should be, right? RIGHT??
I hope so
but he’s go so much pressure on him now to be a scorer….that worries me. I just don’t know if he can jump back into his prior production right after injury to play on a team he hasn’t played on in actual games.
Let’s just say I’m cautious.
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i dont care if he scores, i just want him to look fast and dangerous out there
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 2, 2009 8:20 AM EST up reply actions
he will likely have that game one, the adrenalin and all that of it being the first game, at home to boot. The worry comes two or 3 games later after the initial burst of being a Leaf is over and he starts settling in. That’s when if he’s still fast and dangerous, we can start doing the cartwheels.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Nov 2, 2009 8:25 AM EST up reply actions
yeah, im not too worried about the first couple games, but if by game 5 he is slowing down, still not scoring, or being invisible then I’ll start to worry
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 2, 2009 8:26 AM EST up reply actions
yeah, the issue is him getting into game shape.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Nov 2, 2009 8:28 AM EST up reply actions
i just want to see him get LOTS of PP time, at the very least he will draw the other teams best defender (maybe even 2 of em) and that will make tons more room for the shot from the point or whoever else gets on there.
Needless to say I expect the PP to only get better
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 2, 2009 8:34 AM EST up reply actions
That would be fun considering our PP actually works pretty well already.
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yah, now we just need to fix the PK
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 2, 2009 8:39 AM EST up reply actions
At least it has been looking better, but with it starting so far in a hole it is going to take a bit to get back to respectable numbers.
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Quick numbers on the Pk so far:
17ga/51 tsh = .33 or 67% on the PK in the first 12 games
The Leafs are on pace for approx. 350 times SH so, basically to achieve an 80% mark on the season the Leafs (about aveage for the league) would have to achieve an 82.3% PK or allow less than 53 ppa the rest of the way. More PK games like the Habs game and we might actually see them get close, but I would say if they made it to anywhere north of 75% (likely 80% the rest of the way) we can be pleased with the teams progress with the PK.
They dug themselves a deep hole but thankfully they have been trending upward on the trip, only one way they could have gone. Up.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Nov 2, 2009 9:18 AM EST up reply actions
If Kessel thinks he’s ready, and the docs have cleared him, I say have at it.
but if anyone hurts Kessel on the ice, Orr had better be carrying around their head on the end of his stick not 5 mins later
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 2, 2009 8:19 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i think he'll be fine
as long as he can resist the urge to immediately dole out one of his 6 bone-crushing annual hits.
Seriously, Phil.
Just float around the slot for a few weeks and pick corners.
It’s OK. Leave the truculence to your linemates
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i’ve never commented over at your site somny, but it’s unreal, one of my favourite leafs blogs. keep up the good work.
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Kaberle is ours
August 14th, Brian Burke says:
“We’re not going to ask him to waive his no-trade clause. We want him here for the season.”
So one month into the season and the Leafs have the best powerplay in the league and Tomas is the highest scoring defenceman in the league and because of that Burke is just going to reverse course and contradict what he said in August? I don’t think so.
by general borschevsky on Nov 2, 2009 8:35 AM EST reply actions
saying that, if the leafs are still not headed anywhere by the deadline and offers are coming in left right and center, especially gross over payment offers, then I expect Burke would at the very least raise an eyebrow and consider
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 2, 2009 8:38 AM EST up reply actions
Yes, but two things:
1) I think Burke would be forthcoming if Tomas was on the block again. That would be a very significant development and would probably indicate that the re-build plan was behind schedule. The acquisition of Kessel suggests that the rebuild is in accelerated mode and that trading current assests for future potential is now less attractive.
2) Today’s date: November 2nd, 2009. Trade deadline: March 3rd, 2010. We’re getting way, way, WAY ahead of ourselves. Tomas is not going anywhere, anytime soon.
by general borschevsky on Nov 2, 2009 8:53 AM EST up reply actions
yeah, I dont think Kabby will ever be on the block though. and like you said there is a lot of hockey yet to be played till then
but even if kabby keeps up 50% of his current output (that itself will be no small thing) then Burke wont have to shop TK, buyers will come knocking anyway, and they will know that Burke will accept nothing shy of a gross overpayment
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 2, 2009 8:58 AM EST up reply actions
If the Leafs are out of the playoffs, there will be some teams desperate to add a powerplay weapon like Tomas, and Burke rightfully should be re-evaluating his original plan.
I still think we’re gonna make a run for the playoffs though. At no point is this team going to “tank it” for the remainder of the season. The Kessel situation made sure of that.
by general borschevsky on Nov 2, 2009 9:06 AM EST up reply actions
yeah, this team will never tank, Burke wont allow it. Its not how he does things.
I do think this team has what it takes to make a stab for 8, but it’s still pretty unrealistic
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 2, 2009 9:09 AM EST up reply actions
a third thing
asset management:
Is Kaberle the d-man of the future? is he going to continue to improve? will he continue to lead the league in points and assists for defencemen? how many teams are currently willing to overpay for Kabby right now?
If you can get a 1st round pic and a prospect for him, is that his peak value?
I know we all like Kabby, but it seems to me that if Burke is serious about making this team better for the long haul, those are the questions he’d be asking himself. If Stajan had any value last year, it’s possible that’s all but disappeared now. Can Burke bank on Kaberle still maintaining a high value next year? If so, how much is Kaberle going to cost when his next contract is up, and will he be worth it?
The NHL now is about paying for potential, versus paying for past accolades. At this juncture, Kaberle’s next contract will be about past accolades.
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by blurr1974 on Nov 2, 2009 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
If we can get a Carter + a first style return for Kaberle… well thanks for the memories.
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Kaberle absolutely will not be a useful piece of the puzzle in three years when the Leafs are ready to compete. He’s a good player on a bad team.
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exactly
and i would hope those are the types of deals Burke is looking for.
Teams like Columbus, Anaheim, Detroit and St. Louis are all currently on the outside looking in at the playoffs. I know it’s only the first month, but eventually, one of those teams is going to want to make a move to improve their playoff chances.
Can Burke catch one of them desperate enough to overpay for Kabby in a bid to win now?
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by blurr1974 on Nov 2, 2009 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
I think it’s foolish to think that if Burke can get a great offer for Kaberle right now, that he doesn’t honestly look at it as a big chance. This won’t be a contract dump, only an opportunity to secure more assets for the Leafs. That’s his job.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Nov 2, 2009 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
PRECISELY
and quite frankly that means no one is untouchable.
burke has said so himself. He’s only said that Schenn is “close to untouchable.” Not untouchable…
Everyone has value, everyone is trade-able. If, at the end of the day, the Leafs are a better team for it, then good.
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by blurr1974 on Nov 2, 2009 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
When I was young my father gave me some advice:
He said ‘Boy don’t you know everybody’s got a price?’
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by Chemmy on Nov 2, 2009 10:37 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Million Dollar Man
Your father is Ted DiBiase?
by general borschevsky on Nov 2, 2009 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
LOLs
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by Marc Pilgrim on Nov 2, 2009 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
we’ll see… thing is, Tomas is playing as well offensively as I’ve ever seen him right now, it won’t keep up through the trade deadline, and nobody’s willing to give up something that’s worth anything right now so I’m not even thinking about the possibility for another few months.
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by Karina on Nov 2, 2009 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
trading Kaberle
so… Carolina looks like they would be a willing dance partner, eh? Anyone we’d want over there that wouldn’t be an untouchable? (IE, I don’t think we can get Staal or Ward)
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by Karina on Nov 2, 2009 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
Boychuk, Sutter and a first!
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by blurr1974 on Nov 2, 2009 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
doooooo iiiiiit
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 2, 2009 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
Why does everyone think Kakky’s talent is going to take a big dump in 2 or 3 years? He is only 31 and with the low level of contact he absorbs, if you keep goons like Jassen running him, he should effective for another 5, 6, maybe 7 years.
Is it April yet?
one hit
and he was horrible.
absolutely no possible way you can guarantee that’s not going to happen again.
also, see asset management.
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by blurr1974 on Nov 2, 2009 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
No guarantee
But you can’t guarantee that of anyone.
Pick any Leaf – his career could end tomorrow – except anyone for whom you might wish that would happen.
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I got my “crappy player gets killed” wish once when it happened to Drew Bledsoe and it was excellent.
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Effective, sure, but roster management is about peak value. Only a very, very, very special few play at the level he is now once they hit their mid thirties, and it’s unwise to depend on it from anyone.
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yes
does hanging on to Kaberle make the team better in the long haul, or would his value return players that could be better for the team in the long haul.
Like Chemmy said earlier: “Carter and a first? see ya!”
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by blurr1974 on Nov 2, 2009 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
Asset management also hasd to do with recognizing how unique an asset is. If we had someone in the organization that would step into that role in the next 3 years, I say pull the trigger. I just don’t see another D man with his skills in the wings and regardless of what we would get, Burke would spend the rest of his days finding someone to replace him. It’s my oppinion that in 3 or 4 years Kabby will still be an above average, puck moving, power play quarterback.
Is it April yet?
How do him being average and him being unique work in the same argument?
At the moment, there is definitely no one in the system with his skills on the blue line. There are definitely a couple who could surpass him on his downslope (thinking of White and Gunnarsson).
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Also, if he’s playing average level hockey in three years, there should be no trouble acquiring a replacement at average level if no one emerges. Average is easy to find.
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why
because he played a few games of it last year?
Ian White is an excellent d-man. better defensively than Kabby, and, given the opportunity, he could be just as succesful offensively.
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by blurr1974 on Nov 2, 2009 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed.
Future captain Ian White shows a lot of promise for stepping into that role. And he has a moustache.
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Exactly my point. He’s a 25 year old RFA this summer who has shown proficiency both defensively and offensively from the blue line.
Chemmy and I were talking over the weekend that if Ian White were 6’2" instead of 5’10" he’s be a guaranteed Olympian. He is that good fundamentally, just lacking in size.
Because of that, you can ask him to play the role of defensive puck mover next year and at only half the cost of Kaberle. Think of him as Brian Rafalski-lite.
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White’s hockey IQ is increasing with every year. He’s a good player, who maximizes his skills by playnig sound fundamentals.
I can’t believe I wanted him traded instead of Coliacovo last year…
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by blurr1974 on Nov 2, 2009 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
Get out. Get the hell out of here right now.
/jk, you can stay. But seriously get the fuck out.
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by blurr1974 on Nov 2, 2009 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
haha
he had a brutal start to the season last year, I get ya blurr. Nobody expected him to pick it up the way he has.
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by Karina on Nov 2, 2009 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
I guess I’m just not sold on White yet. Believe me when I say I’d like to be. His offensive side is great but it just seems to me he gambles a little too often. I also don’t think he moves the puck out of the defensive zone as well as Kabby. I know he’s young and still improving, so I am hopefull.
Is it April yet?
I would say his play in his own zone is head and shoulders above Kaberle’s. That’s never been what he’s here for.
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Imagine if we could add 5 inches to him? He’s be unreal.
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by PPP on Nov 2, 2009 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
My oversight.
Still don’t think he’s worth anointing like that. Happy to have him for now, but every player declines at some point, and there’s plenty of reason to believe he’s at or near his peak.
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Well, I feel his talent will decline slower than most because of the style game he plays. I am all for making the team better, but being a Leaf fan for 30 years means I’ve seen too many deals made “for right now”. If Burke trades Kabby for pieces that continue to improve the team for years, I will be as happy as anyone. I just feel we would miss what Kaberle brings to the table.
Is it April yet?
Exactly
You don’t replace Tomas Kaberle. You just go in a different direction – without him.
I don’t Burke’s ready to throw in the towel on his plan yet. Of all the decisions he made over the summer, “keep Kaberle” is turning out to be the best one.
by general borschevsky on Nov 2, 2009 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
You got it.
Kaberle has an NTC. Burke has said he won’t ask Kabby to waive it again, that he wants Tomas for the season.
The (league’s best) powerplay is built around Tomas’ ability to control the puck and see the play.
Burke is not going to suddenly reverse course just because a player is succeeding where he’s supposed to. Makes no sense. If anything, Burke will see Tomas’ improved play as a sign that he should stay the course.
by general borschevsky on Nov 2, 2009 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
Burke said that last year
he also said he won’t allow players to wear high numbers…
Grabovski #84 (again, after switching it down for a few games at the beginning)
Kessel #81
Also, for the last time, this isn’t about “LET’S TRADE KABBY BECAUSE HIS VALUE IS HIGH” it’s about maximizing returns. Can Burke get a GM to trade for Kabby, and overpay what his value is?
Kabby for prospects and picks does nothing in the here and now, but trading for bad contracts won’t help either. Burke needs to find a team that needs a puck mover, and see just how much they’d be willing to pay for a guy like Kaberle.
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by blurr1974 on Nov 2, 2009 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
wrong
Two months and a half months ago is last year? He said it in August.
"We’re not going to ask him to waive his no-trade clause," Burke said of Kaberle. "We want him here for the season."
by general borschevsky on Nov 2, 2009 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
August
is so last year…
also, I was thinking about his answer after the deadline for why he didn’t trade Kaberle.
let’s just say, he’s said it more than once. that said, Sundin said more than once he wanted to retire a Leaf. He changed his mind. Burke can do the same.
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by blurr1974 on Nov 2, 2009 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
and for the record
for me, it is not about not liking Kaberle. I still like watching him play. That patented head fake he does when he carries the puck up the ice…
but i don’t see him as being bigger than the team. i don’t think there’s anything wrong with hypothesizing on what a Kaberle trade could net the team. I also think that, in the long run, if the Leafs are better off for trading a guy at his peak value, then that’s a good thing.
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by blurr1974 on Nov 2, 2009 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
yeah
emotionally it would be difficult to give him up, but we really need some serious future pieces and if he can get them for us, I’m all for it.
Situations like this make me very glad i’m not an NHL GM.
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by Karina on Nov 2, 2009 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
yes
and I think that’s why most folks get upset at these types of convos. the emotional investment in the player…
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by blurr1974 on Nov 2, 2009 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
Feelings are for dames.
I took the Clark trade harder than I took my parents’ divorce, but I still have to admit it was a good one.
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no
we have too many players like Boychuk already, do not want.
I really don’t think there’ll be a deal here, I think Carolina’s probably happy with Corvo as their puck mover, and I don’t see anything I want except for players they won’t give up (Ward and Staal).
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by Karina on Nov 2, 2009 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t want Ward or Staal, their cap hits exceed their talent.
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true
I still can’t believe Staal makes $8 mill.
But I look at Carolina and don’t see much else worth bothering with…
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by Karina on Nov 2, 2009 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
also
Sittler would be a decent addition, I think.
I also forgot they have Pitkanen, there’s no way they’re trading for Kabby.
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by Karina on Nov 2, 2009 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
I think Burke has it in the back of his mind that it may come down to trading Kaberle and that he will attempt to do so if he is receiving offers that include a 1st round draft pick because, besides improving the team, getting a 1st rounder will help address the future and remove some of the discontent that will still be out there with the Kessel trade, regardless if Kessel is lighting it up.
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So,,,
Odds Wilson calls for a stick measurement on Tuesday…
10-1?
3-1?
Evens?
Off the Board?
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by general borschevsky on Nov 2, 2009 9:08 AM EST up reply actions
dear god that would be awesome, worth the penalty (if the leafs have a sizable lead)
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 2, 2009 9:09 AM EST up reply actions
but who’s stick? Lecavalier? St. Louis? Stamkos? Would Pierre McGuire cry if RW called it on Stamkos?
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by blindfolded tank driver on Nov 2, 2009 9:20 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not sure this is the thread for it but:
Guys. Seriously. Take a deep breath. Toskala is not that bad. I’m not saying he’s Marty Brodeur, or even Thomas Volkun, but Leafs fans seem to be under the impression that he’s the worst goalie to have ever strapped on the pads.
Yes, Gustavsson is probably a better goalie. Probably. We can’t really say for sure, because he’s only played in 5 NHL games! His save percentage is .892. Better thank Toskala, yes. But not lights-out by any means.
I’m not saying I don’t think Gustavsson should start the next 10 games in a row, because I do. But the way everyone goes on about this topic is a little embarrassing. I thought Leafs fans prided themselves on being knowledgeable. Seems to me collectively as a group we have as much logic as a screaming gaggle of 13-year old Jonas brothers fan-girls.
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You saw the first goal on Saturday night right?
Toskala does something that stupid every night.
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And also....
shootouts. Toskala can’t stop a shot even if it saved his life.
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by Marc Pilgrim on Nov 2, 2009 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
shootouts on a whole are shit shows with a element of luck involved for both teams, but that goal that Metropolit scored was what he needs to stop. That’s the bullshit that drives us all crazy.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Nov 2, 2009 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
I mean I agree with you re: shootouts to a point. Standing in the back of the crease and getting roasted glove side high twice in a row is embarassing.
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True dat.
You can’t just stand there and let the other team’s players score on you glove side.
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by Marc Pilgrim on Nov 2, 2009 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
Honestly he has glaring deficiencies and we watched the Habs demonstrate their ability to read a scouting report in the shootout.
“Go in fast, shoot glove side high when Toskala makes his first step.”
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the sad truth or the honest truth, mattering on perspective, is Toskala is a reaction goalie with reflexes delayed with age, injury and lack of confidence and yeah, it was really terrible to miss both that bad.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Nov 2, 2009 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
and a head fake makes him dip his shoulders
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by blindfolded tank driver on Nov 2, 2009 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
This is the closest thing to a logical thing I’ve heard in a really long time.
Lets have a thoughtful discussion about the Leafs folks. All I’m asking is that we don’t turn into Go FLYERS1
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 2, 2009 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
Or GO SABERS!!!!1
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by Marc Pilgrim on Nov 2, 2009 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
right??!
Lets not turn ourselves into laughing stocks
(cause the Leafs do a good enough job at that as it is).
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 2, 2009 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
Or GO WILD!!!!
actually that one might be fun.
and the Mustache of Truculence (formerly Canada4Mizzou)
Oh, it drives me crazy as well.
all I’m asking for is a little P-E-R-S-P-E-C-T-I-V-E once in a while.
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 2, 2009 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
I have two years of watching Toskala as perspective.
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But only 5 games of watching Gustavsson.
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 2, 2009 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
And I’m happy taking my chances. If Gustavsson is somehow worse than Vesa “the worst starter in the NHL” Toskala then I’ll take up knitting until we sign Giguere or something.
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Perspective
out of 39 ranked goalies this season, Vesa is ranked 39th in SV%
out of 47 ranked goalies last season, Vesa is ranked 44th in SV%. He also faced 300 more shots than the next closest goalie (Chris Osgood.)
So not only is he getting a lot of work, which should, if he were average, help inflate that SV%, it’s actually having the opposite effect. The more shots Vesa faces, the more goals he lets in…
There’s always the possibility that he could rediscover some form, and make improvements on his game, but I’m not holding my breath for that to happen.
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by blurr1974 on Nov 2, 2009 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
Rediscovery or return to form implies something worth returning to.
Good goalies having a bad season, Giguere, Turco, Ward can return to form.
When you’ve always sucked as a starter there’s nothing to return to.
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it gets worse.
this season, only three goalies have faced fewer shots than Vesa’s 140 shots:
Gustavsson – 139 (0.892)
Howard – 124 (0.879)
Raycroft – 88 (0.932)
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by blurr1974 on Nov 2, 2009 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
oh
and Vesa’s SV% for those 140 shots – 0.836, good for 8 more goals allowed than Gustavsson.
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by blurr1974 on Nov 2, 2009 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
more fun figuring out how good he needs to be to make .900 as a percentage overall. Basically .913 over 25 more starts average 28 shots a game (140s/5 games). The number’s severity diminishes obviously if he gets more starts than that.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Nov 2, 2009 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
VRN
not trying to pile it on, but I was thinking the same as you at the beginning of the season.
not so much anymore…
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by blurr1974 on Nov 2, 2009 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
And at the start of the season I was convinced Stajan was a good player.
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I really hope Raycroft will start sucking again before Luongo kicks him out of the net.
by Its Cold In Here on Nov 2, 2009 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
yeah
but then he got a shutout last night
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by Karina on Nov 2, 2009 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
So he's turning into
Andrew “coinflip” Raycroft. Flip of a coin if you’ll get a wall or bowling bumpers.
and the Mustache of Truculence (formerly Canada4Mizzou)
well they did get all of 18 shots on him that game
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 2, 2009 6:25 PM EST up reply actions
YEAH
I’m crediting the Canucks defense more than his play…
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by Karina on Nov 2, 2009 6:28 PM EST up reply actions
He has a bad glove hand.
Everyone knows it.
But seriously. Everyone goes on as if he’s a beer-league goalie.
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 2, 2009 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
Ummmm
A good beer league goalie but not an NHL goalie by any metric measured by the league.
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At best
Toskala is an AHL-caliber goalie, but not an NHL-good goalie.
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by Marc Pilgrim on Nov 2, 2009 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
I don't get it
Does Toskala have the world’s largest family or is he paying people to defend him online?
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by Marc Pilgrim on Nov 2, 2009 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
I gave myself $5 to only use Toskalol for a month or until I get him in my car’s gunsights.
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no kidding, I wish my car had gunsights for hunting zombies and poor goalies.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Nov 2, 2009 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
That way I don’t have to eyeball my approach at pedestrians wearing habs or sens jerseys
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by PPP on Nov 2, 2009 10:58 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
you just gotta lead em a bit, sens fans are more agile than habs fans as they get a lot of exercise jumping bandwagons
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 2, 2009 12:42 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I'm not defending him, actually...
Toskala is a beer-league goalie, and at best is an AHL backup ’tender. Nothing more.
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by Marc Pilgrim on Nov 2, 2009 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
Yes I saw the first goal.
And yes he does something stupid every night.
But a little perspective, please.
He stopped, what? 33 shots? Several of which were high-quality, NHL-caliber saves, worthy of at least, mild enthusiasm, not raging vitriol.
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 2, 2009 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
Nope.
I’m ok with good goals going past Toskala. He lets in shit goals every night. It’s wholly unacceptable.
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by Chemmy on Nov 2, 2009 10:28 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This.
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by Marc Pilgrim on Nov 2, 2009 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
basically missing that shot takes a really fine game for Toskala and turns it into a loss. The # of saves means little when dribblers slip under your arm from terrible angles
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by blindfolded tank driver on Nov 2, 2009 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
But Toskala lets in a softie first and generally early. Toskala lets that goal in and the Habs relax a little because they know what’s coming.
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If I’m the other team, and I know the goalie I’m facing is known for letting in a softie, I begin tossing pucks at him with abandon. The Habs took that many shots because they just knew sooner or later one ugly one would do it.
I imagine Blake wrists pucks at Toskala crest in practice and scores the odd goal or ten, and thinks this is a proper strategy for other goalies.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Nov 2, 2009 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
When Toskala lets that puck in you can hear the audible woosh of the wind leaving Toronto’s sails.
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yeah, it was a knife to the heart on saturday night.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Nov 2, 2009 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
ooooh
blaming Toskala for Blake’s horrible shooting percentage. I like!
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by Karina on Nov 2, 2009 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
deep down I still think Blake could be much better, but then value is diminished for return on investment, he gets too much to be this bad.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Nov 2, 2009 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
he’s not that bad, but his contract would lead me to expect more.
But I’m OK with how he’s been playing lately. Just gotta be a little more antagonistic to the other team.
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by Karina on Nov 2, 2009 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
that’s what I mean, if he’s making half his contract, no one complains about him as much. That’s life.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Nov 2, 2009 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
yeah
I’m trying not to complain because we don’t exactly have cap issues right now, so whatever
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by Karina on Nov 2, 2009 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
So he made every stop other goalies would have made and then coughed up two goals that no NHL goalie should rightfully allow and we should be happy?
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He stopped, what? 33 shots? Several of which were high-quality, NHL-caliber saves, worthy of at least, mild enthusiasm, not raging vitriol.
Holding up one game in which he still managed to be directly responsible for two goals just because he made 33 other saves might be viewed as a lack of perspective.
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indeed
Toskala’s horribleness over the past 2 years has been well documented on this site. Please go read those posts before attempting to defend him once again.
Most of us here still believed in him at one point not too long ago. No more.
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by Karina on Nov 2, 2009 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah start of the season I thought he could turn it around to respectability…
Not anymore though. He gave me a sad.
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Even if we all agree he’s a bad goalie, do we really need to verbally abuse him so regularly.
People were on him on Saturday well before he gave up a bad goal, and well after he made several good saves after that point.
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 2, 2009 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
Ah I am tending to stay away from the game threads during the games now… so I can’t comment on that…. and my computers broke at home so I can’t most of the time anyways.
But when I was watching the game I thought he was doing quite well and I quite vividly remember having the thought, there you go Toskala shut us up and have a strong game.
Then the soft goal came.
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Meh, there were comments about how Toskala looked good too. Good thing he nipped those in the bud.
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do we really need to verbally abuse him so regularly.
Yes.
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by puckurgently on Nov 2, 2009 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
Is this real life?
Seems to me collectively as a group we have as much logic as a screaming gaggle of 13-year old Jonas brothers fan-girls.
Are you serious? Read this for your perspective.
This isn’t about a few bad games for Toskala. It’s clear that he is not a number one goalie and that his recovery from injuries is a failure. Gustavsson has only played in five NHL games and he might not be the answer but we might as well find out because the team plays better in front of him because they know that instead of starting the night out down a goal or two because of Toskala’s ineptitude they actually have one ridiculous save in reserve.
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I feel like a bit of a troll and a turn-coat right now, so I’m going to stop.
Suffice to say, I want the Leafs to win, but don’t really care for the current discourse.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 2, 2009 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
They take them away when you become a turncoat.
HAH!
(just kidding, but I think it has something to do with putting a 1 first before it)
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Yeah
Not sure what happened but that made me laugh.
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Don't lose your optimism
You’re not a being a troll, you’re just on the wrong side of the Billy Goats’ Bridge. It’s possible the best strategy, if you’re personally pulling for the Vesa like I am, is just to silently hope that Toskala can pull a miracle out of his hat/ass/ass-hat and try to weather the storm until he does. Could get rough though.
Realistically, GameThreads are going to be reactionary and emotional, but Monday morning FTB’s are more reasonable and constructive, even if the flow of the conversation is still critical.
My hats off to everybody this morning for their perspective, especially VRN.
by general borschevsky on Nov 2, 2009 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
i don’t think a single person here HOPES Toskala does poorly, in fact, I’m certain it’s quite the opposite.
I would LOVE LOVE LOVE it if he starts playing better, and is able to silence his critics. Who wouldn’t?
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by blurr1974 on Nov 2, 2009 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
we all would, I’d much rather have any Leaf play better, that never seems like a bad idea.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Nov 2, 2009 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
i don’t think a single person here HOPES Toskala does poorly, in fact, I’m certain it’s quite the opposite.
Hmmm, yes, but it does seem like some people have given up hope that Toskala ever will play anything other then poorly.
Who here hasn’t given up all HOPE that Toskala can be a succesful starting goaltender? That doesn’t imply people are HOPING he plays poorly. I’m sure we’d all prefer that he’d play’d well, but I wonder how many people haven’t given up HOPE. Seems like there’s a lot of DOUBT, which is another way of presenting the opposite of hope.
by general borschevsky on Nov 2, 2009 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
technically
despair is the opposite of hope.
used in the form of a sentence: “i had hope that the Leafs would beat the Habs on Saturday, but when Toskala was named the starter, I began to despair.”
:P
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by blurr1974 on Nov 2, 2009 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
there is a lot of doubt
but I do hope he could be a successful starting goalie, I just don’t see it happening in Toronto. If he gets a fresh start with another team who’s willing to work with him and create the circumstances for him to succeed, I really think it could happen. But he doesn’t seem to work at all within the Leafs system, whether it’s the team in front of him doesn’t believe in him anymore, or management hasn’t provided him with proper coaching or whatever, he’s not doing it for us and I can’t see how that will change given that it looks like we’ll let him walk at the end of the year.
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by Karina on Nov 2, 2009 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
I hope Toskala magically becomes a good goalie in the same way I hope someone hands me a million dollars in an envelope this afternoon. No reason to expect either.
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by puckurgently on Nov 2, 2009 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
Hope is a belief in a positive outcome related to events and circumstances in one’s life. Hope is the feeling that what is wanted can be had or that events will turn out for the best.
You obviously use a different definition of hope where any beneifial occurance, regardless of realistic expectancy, counts. I think you have to have an emotional investment in order for it qualify as “hope”. I seriously doubt you’ll be disappointed at the end of the day when your envelope full of money doesn’t arrive.
by general borschevsky on Nov 2, 2009 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly.
I won’t be disappointed if I don’t get a million dollars in an envelope. It’s impossible to be disappointed if you have no expectations. This is the same point I’ve reached with Toskala.
I’d be ecstatic if he discovered good goaltending. Hell, if Gustavsson pans out, I’ll be happy with Toskala rediscovering his career ceiling averageness to make him a serviceable backup. I would like either of those things to happen, and expect neither. Call that hope, or whatever other label you prefer.
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by puckurgently on Nov 2, 2009 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
Not sure what you expect from fans frustrated by over two years of mediocre play?
Should we just pop some prozac and be happy that Toskala is happy with his play?
If players suck people are going to get frustrated and they are going to vent that frustration.
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Agreed.
But we should be equally willing to give a player his due when he plays well.
I thought he played a good game Saturday. Save for 1 goal, and a failed glove hand in the shootout. If he gets one good bounce, he’s a hero in regulation.
I guess after 2 years of being failsauce a guy may have run out of his fair chances…
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 2, 2009 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
2 goals. The 2nd was his fault too. Fully 50% of the goals and then two terrible shootout attempts.
Every game he plays I hope to God it’s the one where he smartens up and then a 4th liner scores from the zamboni tunnel.
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Yes, Gustavsson is probably a better goalie. Probably. We can’t really say for sure, because he’s only played in 5 NHL games! His save percentage is .892. Better thank Toskala, yes. But not lights-out by any means.
Not to be a panic-monkey, but I do wonder how Gutavsson will hold-up once teams have faced him once or twice and his tendencies have been identified. I was going to put up a post about this, but it’s really a thought that’s all one sentence long. I’m also not sure if it’s prescience or just me being a typical Leaf pessimist…
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Let’s hope it’s the latter.
Hopefully it’s the other way around and Gustavsson gets better as he grows acclimated to his defence and NHL shooters
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yeah
he’s clearly got to adjust to an NHL sized rink, given his comments about how shots seem to come from a lot closer.
He also needs to reduce his rebounds quite a lot. But at least with Gustavsson, I see the competative fire and an admission that he’s going to work hard at improving.
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by Karina on Nov 2, 2009 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
I also notice with Gustavsson a tendency to kick out more rebounds towards the corners instead of straight out.
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true
but they still result in more scoring chances for the other team quite often.
I want him to be like Hiller was in the playoffs last year, where every puck dies as soon as it hits him.
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by Karina on Nov 2, 2009 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
i started wondering this when his penchant for big fat juicy rebounds was already becoming apparent.
he likes to kick pucks out, into the corners a lot, rather than smothering them and stopping play. it’s already come back to bite us once…
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by blurr1974 on Nov 2, 2009 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
But that’s where goalies are meant to direct their rebounds.
It’s something for him to work on but the rest of the team needs to be aware of their men because not every shot that hits a goalie in the pads can be smothered.
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true
and to be honest, this year I notice our defence gobbling up a lot more rebounds than I can remember them every doing before. But some of those pucks need to be frozen, and Gustavsson doesn’t seem to be able to do that at will.
Yet.
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by Karina on Nov 2, 2009 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
no, not every shot can be smothered
and not every shot need be kicked out.
he needs to learn a few things is all, and the loss in Buffalo was due to his kicking out of a puck, rather than letting it hit him and trying to control the puck to stop play.
we’re being nit-picky at this point. 5 games does not a career make. i’m hoping he gets it all figured out in due time.
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by blurr1974 on Nov 2, 2009 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
err, ya. games ending in a loss are all blending together. sorry…
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by blurr1974 on Nov 2, 2009 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I’m willing to go much deeper in defence mode for Gus :)
Allaire earns his money now.
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by Marc Pilgrim on Nov 2, 2009 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
That's cool, LD :D
I would’ve used it for my little birthday post over at the blogski, but I wasn’t so sure where it was. (And also permissions).
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Paul Maurice
We should set up a “When will Paul Maurice get fired?” pool.
For an extra $2 we could do a corresponding “When will Paul Maurice get re-hired by the Canes” bet.
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haha
is Ronnie Franchise ready to be a head coach? He’s the only reason Maurice is there, I’m certain.
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by Karina on Nov 2, 2009 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
does Peter Lavoilette get re-hired?
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by blindfolded tank driver on Nov 2, 2009 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
Trading Kaberle talk is premature
If this team truly is not a playoff team, then we should trade him. But in order to find that out, we need to play more than a month of hockey, especially with our best offensive forward sitting out all of the games with a bum shoulder. If the Leafs are in 12th place at the end of January, then we should start to explore the market for Kaberle. But for now, the only trade that the Leafs should make that involves Kaberle is one that will help us both in the short term and the long term.
by Belligerent Burkie on Nov 2, 2009 2:00 PM EST reply actions
I don’t think anyone’s saying trade him tomorrow, or for a vet.
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trading Kaberle is a gamble
as is any trade.
As Kenny Rogers once said, you got to know when to hold ‘em, know when to fold ’em. What Burke needs to do (for what feels like the 1000th time saying this) is figure out when Kaberle’s value is at it’s peak, and if he can find someone to overpay for him.
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by blurr1974 on Nov 2, 2009 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
also, never count your money, when your sittin at the table
they’ll be time enough for countin when the dealin’s done
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 2, 2009 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
One team that could really use Kaberle....
is Ottawa. They could possibly need an offensive d-man more than any other team in the league.
what are you talking about! Kuba is awesome! /end Sens fan
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by Karina on Nov 2, 2009 7:10 PM EST up reply actions
haha, i love when sens fans talk kuba, its usually a very short conversation that ends with “well Karlsson will be amazing so he’s just short term”
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 2, 2009 7:24 PM EST up reply actions
SNES Fans = LOL
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