And So it Begins...Maybe?
Brian Burke has the go-ahead to send any Leafs player to the minors -- essentially burying National Hockey League contracts -- without clearing it with his bosses or the board of directors of Maple Leaf Sports and Entertainment Ltd.
And that could happen as soon as this week.
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id imagine that he finally cleared it now, but could have at any point if he wanted to
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 24, 2009 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
The question is...
who goes down? Are we gonna see Schenn finally go down? Is Blake due for a Marlies stint? Who knows?
the thing i worry about with blake is if someone claims him on the way back up, leaving us with a 2 mil cap hit for the rest of this year and the next 2
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 24, 2009 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
If we send Blake down we won’t call him up.
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someone was saying that we can only bury him for one year
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2009 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
how is that possible?
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 24, 2009 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
no idea, something to do with the CBA or something,
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2009 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
Burke said elsewhere they won’t send Blake down.
by Leaf in Habland on Nov 24, 2009 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
yea he told steve simmons that blake is working too hard to be sent down…..
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 24, 2009 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
How do the CHL rules apply to Schenn now? Last season he couldn’t have been sent to the AHL, but this season is he allowed to go to the AHL because he already spent a full year in the NHL?
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last year
he had to go to junior because of his age…
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by Karina on Nov 24, 2009 6:23 PM EST up reply actions
Isn’t he still Junior eligible though? I know I’m firmly on your territory so I’m really just looking for clarification. My understanding is that Junior eligible players that are drafted from the CHL cannot go to the AHL until their normal Junior eligibility expires (i.e. overage eligibility doesn’t count). Does that rule become void if a CHL eligible player spends a full year in the NHL?
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looking for it
I’ll post something if I find it…
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by Karina on Nov 24, 2009 6:46 PM EST up reply actions
here's a portion of the CBA
Section 8.7 Age 18 and 19 Players
a. During the firs two seasons next succeeding the draft of an age 18 Player, the Club he signs an SPC with must first offer him to the Club from which he was claimed before it may Loan him.
b. During the first season next succeeding the draft of an age 19 Player or a Player who reaches his 19th birthday between September 16 and December 31, inclusive, of the year of the Entry Draft, the Club he signs an SPC with must first offer him to the club from which he was claimed before it may Loan him.
c. During the seasons set for in (a) and (b) above, the age 18 and age 19 Player, respectively, may be Loaned to the minor league team affiliate of his club when his Junior team is no longer in competition and provided he has been listed on the Club’s minor league eligibility list.
Is Luke not 20? It seems to me that it may be his age that is prohibitive…. unless he’s 19, in which case he can’t go to the AHL, I don’t think, he’d have to go back to the Kelowna Rockets.
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by Karina on Nov 24, 2009 6:58 PM EST up reply actions
He turned 20 in November and is AHL eligible.
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Which calendar applies? Sept. 15 like a lot of the other hockey calendars, or the NHL season, or the true calendar year? Schenn would have been in his last real year of CHL eligibility this year right? I didn’t think there was any overlap between AHL and CHL eligibility except for the overage years. By Karina’s post Schenn looks to me like his CHL team would have rights of first refusal. He was 19 when this season starts and it looks to me like that’s the important factor.
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the dates for the birthday are given as between September 16 and December 31, so given that he turned 20 between those dates this year, I would agree with mf37’s assessment.
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by Karina on Nov 24, 2009 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
We should call the major radio and tv stations so they aren’t alarmed by the gian hamster ball rolling down Lakeshore from the ACC to the Ricoh.
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by clrkaitken on Nov 24, 2009 10:49 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
@DHSpeedwagon: I wonder what changes the Leafs won’t make but will talk about making tommorow.
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Sorry, was this article from this week? Or was it from the pre-season, when he said the same thing? Or the summer… or last April… or when he took over…
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by Down Goes Brown on Nov 24, 2009 10:50 AM EST reply actions
well, burke was much more patient with the vets than we thought he would be, that combined witht he fact that we really didnt have anything better on the farm until now
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 24, 2009 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
If we get Sopel...
you’d better enjoy Schenn while it lasts, because once Komisarek comes back, I have serious doubts Schenn will stay with the top club.
Upside to it...
Marlies get to see Schenners for half-price! :D
by Marc Pilgrim on Nov 24, 2009 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
I’m really against sending Schenn down.
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I've said it before
and I’ll say it again, a night in the press-box will help, rather than Marlies time.
by Marc Pilgrim on Nov 24, 2009 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
agreed, although I am not opposed to him seeing some pressbox time
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2009 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
it’s simply a numbers issue. Out of the 8 defensemen on the roster, he’s #7 right now. If they get Sopel, and Komisarek comes back OK, then Schenn is either in the press box or the Marlies.
Brent Sopel is terrible. If we play Brent Sopel over one of our own prospects I give up.
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Wouldn't it be embarrasing
for the supposed “face of the franchise”, the one whose face is plastered all over Leafs ads and such, to be sent down to the Marlies? Just my thoughts.
by Marc Pilgrim on Nov 24, 2009 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
not if he deserves it or needs it to improve, it just isnt at that point yet
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2009 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
Sorry, but right now the face of the franchise is of Toskala looking up at the scoreboard after he got beat high glove side again.
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Toskala has to be an NHL player’s wet dream. A goalie who gives you glove side high constantly.
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going glove side always makes you feel fancy
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2009 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
Especially when the goalie doesn’t even move.
Is Toskala’s sore groin the reason he can’t lift his left arm?
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the groin muscles connected to the elbow
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2009 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
guh!
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Nov 24, 2009 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
isn't
that the point of accountability??
lets keep Schenn up in the majors and keep giving him ice time because he’s the future of the franchise?
c’mon
by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Nov 24, 2009 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
they cant worry about that stuff, that stuff works itself out once the team is good
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 24, 2009 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
I really don’t see this happening. I can’t see Schenn riding buses with minor leaguers. If he needs to find his confidence, he’ll find it up here. OLAS is a very fine talent who is going to be a great player and hopefully a cornerstone of this franchise someday. I just don’t see him being sent down to scrap it out with minor leaguers prospects and NHL castoffs and playing in towns like Grand Rapids and Abbotsford.
At the moment, Schenn’s been looking good paired with Gunnarson.
by general borschevsky on Nov 24, 2009 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
That's the way it should be
None of this Schenn-XLB bullcrap. If anything, Luke would benefit more sitting in the press box for a game or two, than playing in the AHL. It’s not like the Marlies’ record is any better than ours.
by Marc Pilgrim on Nov 24, 2009 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
yes it is
8 7 1 with 2 OTL
That’s a lot better than our record.
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by Karina on Nov 24, 2009 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
schenn would probably play much better for the Marlies, But that would be more or less from the lower talent level (of his opponents) than any sort of alteration in his play. Will that give him the confidence he needs to get his groove back? Maybe, but it could shatter his mind and make it worse too
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2009 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
Would Schenn's "better play" down in the minors
be as a result of his own doing, or the skill level (or lack thereof) that the AHL has. And also, if AHL time would destroy Schenn’s confidence, then (as PLAYOFFS!!!1 noted) he isn’t the player we thought he was.
by Marc Pilgrim on Nov 24, 2009 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
i think he is still, he is just having the much talked about softmore slump. It happens. I am willing to give him a season pass as long as he has a good game every now and then (which he has)
if he sucks next year, then ill start to worry about schenn
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2009 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
We’ve discussed this before, so i’ll not go into it here, but I strongly believe Leaf fans need to dampen their expectations for Schenn’s career.
well i must have missed that convo so i must ask why?
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2009 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
Imagine
if he didn’t have a sophomore slump this season? The love-in that was last season would’ve continued.
by Marc Pilgrim on Nov 24, 2009 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t think his skating is good enough to be a top 4 defenseman. Obviously, his decision making has been questionable, but that can be attributed to youth. He has limited hockey IQ when it comes to offensive hockey, which severely hurts his career potential. I also don’t think he’s all that physical (at least compared to expectations of how he should play).
Basically, people shouldn’t expect more than Jason Smith out of Schenn. Which isn’t bad. But he’s not OLAS.
i really dont want to hear that……… schenn could very well still become olas…
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 24, 2009 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
Schenn has proven time and time again that he can physically dominate a game. So far his play this season has been the anomaly.
His offensive game, while not game breaking has also proven half decent in the past, He can make a good first pass and has shown the ability to truck through the neutral zone with the puck and dish to a streaking winger.
He will never be the fleetest of skaters but his skating again, isnt as poor as people keep saying.
I don’t see any problem with thinking he could be another Adam Foote or Robin Regher.
His poor play doesnt seem based off of any certain lack of skill rather than bad decision making and over thinking the plays.
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2009 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
funny thing about that
Jason Smith was a #2 defenseman in Edmonton for a looooooooong time. He was also Captain.
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by Karina on Nov 24, 2009 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
indeed, the Leafs could do much worse than to have a prime Jason Smith on their back end
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2009 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
defensive defensmen are rarely ever considered all stars
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2009 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
defensive defensmen to make the All-Star game since 2003:
Komisarek
Robidas
Jovanovski
Norstrom
Boynton
Brewer
uhm
Jovo is not a defensive defenseman.
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by Karina on Nov 24, 2009 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
I’m curious.
How many of them were under-23 when they made the All-Star game?
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that 20 years old might be a little to early to make any decisions about lukes ceiling
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2009 12:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
of course it is, and we are just attempting to back up our view on the topic, thus is the basis of debate.
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2009 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
this season? or did you see it last season too?
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2009 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
last season too. He’s definitely playing worse this year, but I’ll admit I had some major questions about his game last year too.
see, from a mental mistake and maturity stand point I get where you are coming from. But he has all the skill and tools to be a cornerstone defensive player for the leafs
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2009 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
here’s the problem with that argument.
almost all the guys at this level have talent. John Mitchell is a good example of a guy with all of the tools. But he can’t put it all together. The mental side of the game is just as important as the physical. I’m not sure if Schenn has the hockey IQ to be a cornerstone defenseman.
i am, he showed the IQ last year, and has at times shown it this year. He is just over thinking everything, he is making the right moves, just 2 seconds too late
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2009 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
wow
birky you should be a GM or scout with such conviction that you can tell that a 20yr old 2nd year defenseman is not going to be a stud defenseman. I wonder if you know that it wont be another 5-7 years at least BEFORE this KID will reach his peak. Defense is one of the hardest positions to play and the fact that he is playing it at this young age speaks volumes. He may not develop as quickly as you may wish but to me as long as he keeps developing and be a solid defenseman on the back end there really isn’t much more I would want from him. Everyone has a role and I think the role he will play will be a key one, when this team becomes a contender.
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It's been always stated
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by Marc Pilgrim on Nov 24, 2009 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
Fair Enough
We’ll know in 10 years.
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Honestly
if Luke hadn’t had his little sophomore slump, would we even be doubting the Leafs drafting Schenn?
by Marc Pilgrim on Nov 24, 2009 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
Nope
But maybe the slump is his new ceiling? It’s early.
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i agree with patience. the process of turning the leafs around is going to take a long time, and guys like schenn will be a part of it in a big way if they do this properly and not freak out and start getting rid of all our young players
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 24, 2009 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
It's sad
that some Leaf fans can’t practice what they preach (patience with Schenn and other young prospects).
by Marc Pilgrim on Nov 24, 2009 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
Patience is everything
How else do the Devils and Red Wings do it with late 1sts and random 6th or 7th rounders?
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Nov 24, 2009 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
also Komi doesnt count because of the vote-o-matic Habs fans
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2009 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
Things wrong with that list
1)Komisarek was voted in by ass clowns Habs Fans
2) Boyton is an offensive defenseman. He’s plain bad, which explains why he has such low point totals
3) Robidas is an offensive defenseman
4) Like Karina said, Jovo’s an offensive player
5) Norstrom had a decent offensive year, a career best, and So did Brewer
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Nov 24, 2009 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
DUN DUN DUUUUUUN
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2009 10:56 AM EST reply actions
@DHSpeedwagon: I wonder what changes the Leafs won’t make but will talk about making tommorow.
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I don’t hold not making changes against Burke, it’s hard to make meaningful transactions in the cap era. I just wish he’d shut the fuck up about it.
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DANAAAAAAAAAAAA
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2009 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
lol
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 24, 2009 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
Burke says in the article that he doesn’t pay attention to what is said in the media at all, that he is too concerned with running the team to listen to what the media is saying. I found that a little hard to swallow. Surely he keeps track of some of what the media is saying about the Leafs! Then a bit further down he talks about reading stories about he should be firing Ron Wilson by now. Ahhhhh there we go. He does read what the media has to say about the Leafs!
-Graham-
by CanadianMaple09 on Nov 24, 2009 11:00 AM EST reply actions
sure he reads it, but it doesnt influence his decision on anything
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 24, 2009 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
The interesting thing is the way the Islanders have rebuilt. They’ve iced terrible squads, kept their first rounders, signed “project” UFAs to short deals WITHOUT NMC/NTCs and traded those UFAs at the deadline for picks.
That has to be the only option available to us at this point.
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so, we need to acquire doug weight and bill guerin?
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 24, 2009 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
A. They’re better than any of our players.
B. Yes.
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hmmm…. so, do we need to sign some vets that are currently UFA or make a trade for a couple?
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 24, 2009 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
No trades. Are you paying attention?
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yes, so where do we get these vets that other teams will trade for
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 24, 2009 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
UFAs
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2009 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
UFAs.
Olli Jokinen is my current bet. Sign him to a two year deal cheap with no NMC/NTC. Give him power play time with Kessel and huge minutes to inflate his numbers and move him as soon as possible for anything.
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oh, you mean next year. sorry, i thought you were saying try that this year.
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 24, 2009 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
No. Giving up assets to get those players is stupid.
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right, which is exactly what we want other teams to do for us when we sign them
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 24, 2009 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
You’ve got it. Welcome aboard.
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i see. well, that would be pretty sweet
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 24, 2009 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
Jokinen is the antithesis of everything you’re trying to accomplish with this plan.
He won’t sign a 2 year deal.
He has played 6 playoff games in his career, and largely sucked in them.
He won’t be in a hurry to sign for a team that isn’t a contender.
He isn’t nearly the class of veteran leader Guerin or Weight are.
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and his options will be pretty limited next season me thinks
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2009 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
plus, burke is pretty convincing when it comes to UFAs. not many people thought Komi and Beauchemin would come here either
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 24, 2009 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
MARLEAU!
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2009 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
Marleau would be sweet
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 24, 2009 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
6 mill for 5 years
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2009 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
he will probably get 6-6.5
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 24, 2009 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
Marleau + Wilson = Fail
Coming from a guy who spent years at the Shark Tank and who heard the same word of mouth.
by smashmouthhockey on Nov 24, 2009 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
marleau has been quoted as saying there is no issue and he would play for wilson again
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 24, 2009 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
Marleau would be here long after Wilson is gone, i would be very surprised if WIlson lasts out next season
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2009 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
barring a miraculous turnaround
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 24, 2009 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
Wilson will not take this team to the promised land
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2009 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
yea i agree… who the f can…
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 24, 2009 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
Ron Wilson has a talented roster to work with.
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you kidding right?
“Ron Wilson has a talented roster to work with.” I guess you’re right. It does take a special talent to shoot 61 shots (out shooting the opposition 3-1) and still lose the game. Talent!
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The only miracles we’ll see will be more absurd goals that lose us games.
We’ve already had a puck go straight up and off a player’s head, we’re probably due for “puck bounces off netting and hits back of goalie” soon.
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ah yes, the woznewski
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2009 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
sigh alright, so what do we think is going to happen this week….?
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 24, 2009 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
True, but if we can sign him short and run a pump and dump for a 2nd round pick or a 1st if he’s great who cares if he’s not a leader?
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If you don’t trade, you can’t fuck it up.
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Nov 24, 2009 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
On top of getting draft picks for free essentially the Islanders also got to have Weight and Guerin mentor their young guys like Bailey, Okposo, Tambellini, etc.
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They also got the providence bruins’ coach, and the pBruins are (I believe) not doing as well without him and the Islanders are winning a lot more.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Nov 24, 2009 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
first of all, have the Islanders “rebuilt”? We’re 1/4 of the way through the season following a draft where they selected 1st overall.
Second, I think building through the draft is still risky. The Islanders have had 9 top ten picks in the last 13 drafts. And they’re still rebuilding.
There are plenty of ways to build a winning hockey team. Not sure if I’d follow the Islanders blueprint in that department.
pretty much everything the islanders have done outside of Chemmys idea of signing UFAs and using them for deadline picks has been terrible, I dont think anyone is suggesting we do anything but that
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2009 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
yea, i hear that
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 24, 2009 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
Robert lang would have been perfect for that this year….
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 24, 2009 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
They’re better than we are.
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You know its sad but Truuueee!
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 24, 2009 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
They’ve got a ton of young talent.
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Yea, Okposo, Bailey, tavares, bergeheim are really good players
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 24, 2009 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
I think the Isles are closing to competing than the Leafs are. They also have more prospects in the system.
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wayyyyyy closer now. it seems like all the tank teams are rising to the top and a whole new batch of tank teams are going to start forming a line at the bottom
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 24, 2009 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
That’s why the Leafs wilderness years under JFJ were such a waste. This team could have loaded up on picks and prospects, instead it was one step forwards, two steps back.
Post-lockout, I don’t think teams can try to rebuild and compete. It’s too big of a challenge to hold on to core talent if money is tied up in buyouts or bad UFA deals.
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wait a sec
didn’t Burke take the job only once he was assured he had complete autonomy from MLSE? He didn’t have to go to them for approval for these things?
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by Karina on Nov 24, 2009 11:20 AM EST reply actions
anything money related HAS to have approval, pretty much, they wont turn down anything he proposes
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 24, 2009 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
seriously, that’s not the understanding I had, I thought he didn’t have to go to them. If he wants to make a trade, let’s say, and take on salary, he should be able to decide that moment whether or not to do it. Going to the board slows down the process and makes it likelier that someone else does that deal.
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by Karina on Nov 24, 2009 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
I'm pretty sure
he informs the board before hand during negotiations and the board will probably come back and give him an acceptable range for him to work with in terms of how much salary he can take/dump etc.
by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Nov 24, 2009 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
Brian can do whatever he wants, but if he is going to take on money he still needs to get the paperwork signed.
the board just wont turn down anything hockey related that he does, but you still have to go through the right channels
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 24, 2009 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
yea
finance related I am sure he still has to go through the board to some extent… i’m sure other GMs has to talk with the owner first about spending to a certain degree as well
by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Nov 24, 2009 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
And I really mean it when I say I don’t want to hear any more “we outplayed them and lost that’s a moral victory” bullshit. We’re not unlucky.
There’s that saying “The only thing all of your failures have in common is you”. This is like that. If it’s luck or bad bounces why do they always go against us? They go against us because our marginal players make stupid decisions constantly.
There are no moral victories.
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I am also sick of hearing
“We just ran into a hot goalie tonight”
Because that’s only been the case for one maybe two of the games
by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Nov 24, 2009 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
no, their fans are unlucky
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2009 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
Unlucky that the MLSE board didn’t let JFJ rebuild.
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If after the first season post-lockout JFJ had said “We don’t have the tools to compete in this NHL we need to make moves” and then immediately moved Sundin, Kaberle, McCabe, Tucker, kept our firsts for Raycroft and Toskala, held on to both Pogge and Rask jesus christ.
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haha
scary thing is, he’s shown to have quite the eye for drafting, we could have been stocked full…
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by Karina on Nov 24, 2009 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
I mean I enjoy making fun of JFJ but I think his biggest failing is that he didn’t have the guts or possibly the standing to say “We need to rebuild. Period.” and instead got railroaded by Peddie into competing.
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also the invention (or the allowance of the invention) of the NTC
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2009 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
competing, using the term loosely. But yeah, JFJ had no backbone.
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by Karina on Nov 24, 2009 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
Rank JFJ’s failings:
1. No guts/spine re. MLSE Board
2. Bad pro scouting: two 1st, 2nd, 4th for Toskala and Raycroft; thinking Mark Bell could play in the NHL; almost every UFA he signed was out of the NHL within 2 years
3. Bad contracts (Belfour, Tucker, McCabe, NTCs and NMCs)
4. Mis-read the UFA market thinking that stars would become UFAs, they didn’t
5. Thinks Gordon Gecko’s hair-style is fashionable
6. Hired Paul Maurice
7. Says he stands by his record (barely .500, one post-season appearance)
8. Missed trading too many players at their peak
9. Went in too many directions at once – wasn’t a buyer, wasn’t a seller (wasn’t much of a GM)
10. Didn’t surround himself with savvy hockey men.
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6, 9, 10, 2, 6 again, 4, 1, 7, 3, 8, 9 again, 10 again, 2 again, 6 a third time, 5
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and yet here we are
pondering why in hell Burke hasn’t dealt Kaberle yet
by Peter de Chatham on Nov 24, 2009 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
NTC
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2009 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
why?
This is yet another shot season. Lets do things right for once and make small changes here and there, no big sweeping moves. The future core of this team, ie the team that will be a competing team were it ought to be at this stage, in the AHL gaining experience. Burke last year at the trade deadline stated that there are 4 stages, crawling, walking, running and sprinting. What stage do you really think we are at?
"There's been four different Cup winners the last four years, and I got one of them (Anaheim) and it was a fighting team. We're playing it that way regardless." - B. Burke, Toronto Maple Leafs GM
When it was suggested that Jason Blake doesn’t exactly pay his own way with his meagre goal-scoring numbers and that he would be a candidate to be sent packing, Burke said: “Does anyone on this team work harder than Jason Blake? There has to be an element of fairness in this.”
My reaction to this quote is sort of like this dialogue from National Lampoon’s Christmas Vacation when Clark is trying to get the christmas lights to work to show his family.
- But he worked really hard, Grandpa.
- So do washing machines!
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showing effort in failure is admirable, to a degree, because it is still failure
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2009 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
if you send someone who’s hardworking down while you have passengers, what does that say to the team?
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by Karina on Nov 24, 2009 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
Dont suck like Jason Blake
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2009 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
But that’s the thing – who would constitute a passenger?
This team works its ass off. It’s just not talented enough. It’s that simple.
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it's true
gah, I’m glad I am not a GM
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by Karina on Nov 24, 2009 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
For me, at some point hard work is not enough. You hear coaches say it all the time… we have to not only work hard, but work smart. I’m not convinced Blake works hard consistently, but one thing I KNOW for sure is that he almost never works smart.
And really, I can’t think of a single forward I’d like to be rid of ahead of Blake. Others like Stajan, Mitchell, Wallin and so on are clearly flawed and not playing well overall, but they do have some value and do some things reasonably well. I can’t think of a single reason why it’s worth having Blake on this team… especially for a $4M freaking cap hit, holy crap on a cracker!
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Blake will never stop until that wraparound of his goes in
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 24, 2009 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
Think he was trying to make a joke
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Nov 24, 2009 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
I was going to make a Jason Blake joke here, but I just don't have it in me.
This is a wild story: Man thought to be in vegetative state for 23 years was conscious.
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Start with Blake. I’m tired of watching him be terrible all the time. Presumably his backpack contains a limitless supply of suckitude.
He can bunk with Toskala while he’s there.
If we get lucky, someone will – literally – throw them under the bus before they get on it.
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from Jonas640
Vesa Toskala and John Mitchell placed on injured reserve.
I guess Vesa’s worse than we thought.
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by Karina on Nov 24, 2009 12:29 PM EST reply actions
hmmm
Joey Mac attack!
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2009 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
There’s only one possible course of treatment.
AMPUTATION!!!1
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That means both are out a minimum of 7 days.
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Leafs finally make big move
Jay Rosehill on waivers.
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MY WORLD IS ROCKED
also why/? he wasnt exempt?
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
He’s already playing for the Marlies. What is going on? He played for the Marlies on 11/22.
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Oh, his 14 day conditioning stint ended. Who cares.
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I presume it’s re-entry waivers.
Although I would think he’s waiver exempt. He’s 24 years old, looks to have signed his pro contract in 2005-06 and has only played in 6 NHL games.
That said, the waiver rules in the CBA couldn’t be muddier.
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Nope. His two week conditioning stint is up.
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HUGE MOVE!
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2009 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
@DHSpeedwagon: I wonder what changes the Leafs won’t make but will talk about making tommorow.
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WOOHOOOOOO
DarrenDreger Christian Hanson expected to be called up by Leafs.
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by Karina on Nov 24, 2009 1:03 PM EST reply actions
He can’t play tomorrow if he gets called up now unless the paperwork was already filed.
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meh
although I’m a bit scared, we all saw him play in t he NHL last year, do we really think he’ll make much of a difference?
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by Karina on Nov 24, 2009 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
either way, its SOMETHING
ye of little faith
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2009 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
according to dummy nuts on HC it was Kessels fault for the OT goal last night.
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2009 1:07 PM EST reply actions
Trade Updates Via ESPN
—-Hockey Leaks tweets that the Leafs will send Jiri Tlusty to Chicago for Sopel and a second-round pick — Chicago’s contributions to the deal were seconded by a report on Hockey Night in America (via the Daily Herald).
—-Also, the Hawks are talking to the Toronto Maple Leafs deal about dealing Brent Sopel, but the Leafs appear to be strong-arming the Hawks into giving up a higher draft pick than they want. So before a Barker deal [to the Sens] is struck, the Hawks might want to see how much they have to give up to dump Sopel.
—-The Leafs lost a first and second round pick in 2010 and a first rounder in 2011 when they traded for Phil Kessel, and since the Leafs can take on salary, they may be looking to trade take on big contracts to stockpile some draft picks, the Toronto Star writes.
So why does Burke want draft picks so badly? Well, if the Maple Leafs want to sign, say, Bobby Ryan to an offer sheet, they must have a first- and third-round pick to give away. So getting draft picks might be part of a bigger ploy to steal some restricted free agents from cash-strapped teams in the offseason.
-Tlusty for Sopel and a second is a shit deal for the leafs,
the leafs need THEIR OWN picks to get RFAs
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2009 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
the article linked to in this fan shot says the Chicago talks have died.
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by Karina on Nov 24, 2009 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
I’ll kill myself if we ship TLUSTY for a second round pick and bad salary.
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That might be enough for me to legitimately give up hockey.
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Even then Chicago’s first is going to be #25. We could probably wrangle up a high second more easily than giving up Tlusty and taking Sopel.
If that’s Chicago’s offer talks probably ended when Burke hung up the phone and didn’t waste any more time.
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Completely different
And never going to happen. Beach has 19 goals in 21 games or something ridiculous like that.
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It could happen depending on what the extra something was we were giving up. Tlusty is still considered a possible top 6 guy and Beach supposedly has “attitude problems”.
so does Kessel
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2009 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, beach isnt coming back for anything but a Kaberle Campbell swap
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2009 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
Did Tlusty not pan out or something?
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Didn’t you see Birky’s argument re: Schenn?
A prospect has till the age of 20 to prove they belong in the NHl.
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you know, if you read my argument, I never said he wasn’t an NHL caliber player. All I said was people should taper their expectations for his career.
I've also made the point that
20 years old and only in his second season is a bit too early to say what Schenn will be.
by Marc Pilgrim on Nov 24, 2009 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
considering teams were willing to give up top 5 picks in the draft last year for schenn proves that the entire NHL feels schenn will be a stud
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 24, 2009 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
I feel like repating myself...
but honestly, had Schenn not had his sophomore slump and was as consistent as he was last season, would we even be mulling over the fact that Luke wasn’t worth it?
by Marc Pilgrim on Nov 24, 2009 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
You always feel like repeating yourself.
I agreed with what you said about Schenn the last 157,894 times you said it.
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true
and consider that Tlusty has yet to play a full season in the NHL
by Peter de Chatham on Nov 24, 2009 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
One time Tlusty scored a goal using only his ass. Think about how dangerous of a player he must be if he scores without using his stick, seeing the puck or knowing what’s going on.
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not just any goal, his FIRST nhl goal
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2009 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
he had 2 that game, against pitt
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 24, 2009 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
And after that he scored on a lightning shot on a partial breakaway because he felt scoring using only his ass was too embarassing for the goalie.
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Oh
how about that time Tlusty scored on a penalty shot by fanning on said shot? That was crazy.
by Marc Pilgrim on Nov 24, 2009 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
curiously
that’s not what I remember Tlusty the most for…
by Peter de Chatham on Nov 24, 2009 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
I’m surprised things like that don’t happen more. Kid’s from eastern europe, 19 and in a new city where he doesn’t know anyone.
He makes close to a million dollars a year.
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yeah..
Anyway, my point about Tlusty is that he’s suffered all that embarassment so he’d probably put up with anything from the boo birds at the ACC. Just kidding, sort of.
Look, we’ve given Schenn two full seasons to play with solid minutes and he plays like crap. Why not try giving Tlusty 2nd line minutes. Or maybe moving him to centre and do the playmaker thing for Kessel?
by Peter de Chatham on Nov 24, 2009 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
Schenn’s played 92 NHL games.
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sorry
this season seems to be dragging on for some reason in my mind
by Peter de Chatham on Nov 24, 2009 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
but anyway, can Tlusty be tried out as a setup man for Kessel?
by Peter de Chatham on Nov 24, 2009 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
Tlusty is more of a sniper than a play maker
If they are going to bring up a playmaker for him they would probably try Bozak or even Hamilton
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2009 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
put hanson in front of the net with grabo and blake, keep kessel stajan and poni together
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 24, 2009 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
in his article Steve from hockeyanalysis classifies him as a playmaker
I don’t think Bozak is ready for a callup
by Peter de Chatham on Nov 24, 2009 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
in NHL 10 he is a sniper :p
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 24, 2009 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
hehe
Actually, that’s my favourite of Steve’s articles this year. He’s right, the Leafs need a balanced line, and Kessel badly needs a good setup man.
I’m no hockey expert by any means, but Tlusty’s stats from last year are 25 goals, 41 assists.
by Peter de Chatham on Nov 24, 2009 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
im just going by what ive seen from him
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2009 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
Who knows. That’s the gamble.
I like Tlusty, but at this point in time him and Stefanovich would be the two prospects I would be most willing to give up. Stefanovich I assume probably doesn’t have too much value at the moment.
Neat let’s give up a young cheap prospect like Stefanovich while he has no value. Having him play in the QMJHL is killing us.
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he should be with the Marlies, but he decided not to give a fuck when he was there
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2009 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
doesnt mean he wont evolve into an NHL player
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 24, 2009 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
I agree he could, but that’s sort of the point isn’t it? Is it worth trading a prospect that could pan out in a few years into a good player for a prospect who already is a pretty good player but might not have the same ceiling as your prospect?
what makes you think anyone else even wants stefanovich? the guy is an overager in the Q
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 24, 2009 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
Which is why we drafted him in the FIFTH ROUND despite him being ranked as a first rounder before his draft.
His issues aren’t a lack of talent.
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yup, I am unsure he will ever put it all together though
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2009 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
oh I am not saying he was a waste of a pick or anything, but I don’t think I can be faulted for wanting him to use his fucking god given talent
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2009 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
That’s what I was trying to get at, I fully understand that Stefanovich has all the talent to be a big player in the NHL, but the question is will he become that player?
It’s risk vs. reward and if I could get a guy like Beach or a rough equivalent of him from somewhere else for him, I would probably do it.
Sure
But you won’t. So let him play his overager in the Q, he gets another camp next year, he finds motivation in the AHL, maybe a year or two, and then he makes the Leafs.
Or he doesn’t. But at this point his value’s nil.
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I completely agree with this statement. My point was just that if we could use him to get something good why not?
if someone will take him in a deal that makes the leafs better in place of Tlusty or who ever, he is probably gone
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2009 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
thank god chemmy is here to straighten everyone out, common sense is getting lost amongst the panic
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 24, 2009 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
still giving up too much for the leafs, a salary dump, a prospect a VERY high first for Kabby and Tlusty? no thanks
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2009 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
I’d want a higher first and a better prospect than Beach for Kaberle alone. Not going to swap Tlusty for a 2nd round pick.
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mmmhmmm
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2009 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
yea seriously, how the fuck would that solve any problem? Tlusty is one of the few players we have that are worth keeping around, fuck sopels contract and the 55th pick.
chicago better give us a good prospect, a 2nd and sopel for one of our guys on an expiring contract
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 24, 2009 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
Tlusty is being sheltered from all this shit in the AHL. He’ll come up when this season is long over and his play makes it an absolute no brainer.
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yeah, if the leafs were playing half decent, he probably would have gotten more than a 2 game look
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2009 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
DING DING DING
And that, in a nutshell, is why the veterans aren’t all getting dumped today for the kids.
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I don’t really want Hanson to come up. Bring up Hamilton or Foster or someone who doesn’t seem like a lock to make the team next year.
If Hamilton or Foster get eaten alive at the ACC and we throw them in the trash fine.
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finally someone said it, throwing all the kids into this shitty mess wont do them any good down the road i dont think
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 24, 2009 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
“Leafs kid line of Bozak Hanson and Stalberg don’t score, Leafs lose. Kids probably overrated.”
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that will be front page everyday
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 24, 2009 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
If we’re going to struggle, we’re going to struggle with kids in the lineup.
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there are two types of struggling,
the kind you have when you have a twisted ankle and are forcing yourself up stairs
and the kind that is a fish in the bottom of your boat struggling to swim through the air
i think he was talking about the first one
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 24, 2009 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
Teams need to have their own picks as compensation to tender an RFA offer sheet. Burke will have to re-acquire any picks he’s traded away before they can go after Ryan.
Hawks need salary that’s expiring to make tag-up room. I don’t know that Tlusty’s RFA status counts and a $900K cap hit isn’t going to be enough for CHI.
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Also we’d trade what we consider an “A” prospect for bad salary and a 2nd that’ll be around pick #55. We couldn’t get a better second than Chicago’s for Tlusty?
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Trading Tlusty to Carolina for their 3rd would net us almost the same return with no bad salary attached.
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Also you need your own draft picks to offer sheet a player.
We’re not getting Bobby Ryan.
We’re not going to acquire firsts to get him because that doesn’t work.
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ESPN is embarrassing themselves.
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Then again it's ESPN
the same channel that doesn’t give two shits about hockey.
by Marc Pilgrim on Nov 24, 2009 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
Is ESPN really quoting Hockey Leaks? That’s fucking pathetic. I’ve heard that they are a couple of uni students talking absolute bullshit.
No fucking way Tlusty is going for a second AND bad salary.
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 24, 2009 1:16 PM EST reply actions
an Idea that might work, but will probably fail
Assuming that Toskala can be placed on LTIR (even against his will), these might work
Look for Bad Contracts, and trade them for Picks. assuming the Leafs can dump about 3.6 mil, the Leafs could attempt to get Brian Rolston off the Devils. Sure, He’s not the same player he was when he was in minnesota, but i think the Leafs would be able to get the Devils 1st rounder (though maybe a late 20, but Burkie could trade up from there) if they send several rentals to the Devils. The Devils need to shed Salary, and Rolston’s their worst contract. The only problems with this are 1) Rolston has an NTC with the Devils, and will most likely exercise it and 2) Rolston’s cap hit is too much of a roadblock to work with ($5.062 mil/year with this year and 2 more)
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Nov 24, 2009 1:27 PM EST reply actions
is space weed your name?
or what you are smoking.
I’m all for going off the board to get this shitshow righted. But on what planet does trading for a 37 year old who scored 15 goals last year and gets paid MORE THAN JASON BLAKE for two more years solve anything? I like the Nylander plan more than that one because at least he’s cheaper.
No offense.
Chemmy said it best. We need to turn free assets like short term UFAs into picks for the next 2 years. Sign a guy. Give him top-line PP time with Kessel. See if he can play out of his mind and pot 60 pts. Next (and this is the CRUCIAL part) DON’T sign him to a 5-year deal ourselves.
Bottom line is that we need to be acquiring players and assets that might help us be a winning team around the time we might theoretically be good. Say, 2011?
Rolston is not that. I haven’t seen many names in this thread who are.
As for trading Tlusty, if the Leafs best draft prospect of the last 3-4 years isn’t worth more than a 55th overall pick, they’re more fucked than i thought.
apologies
if that was overly harsh, but I get really tired of the “moral victories” talk and reading desperate proposals for change for the sake of change.
That’s JFJ-era thinking.
something has to change, the team is dead last
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Nov 24, 2009 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
























