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Ian Turnbull

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With a single point, Tomas Kaberle will tie Tim Horton as the second-highest point getter amongst Leaf defensemen.  I'm going to save Horton until Tomas actually passes him, so today we'll look at the player in fourth, the one Tomas passed last year - Ian Turnbull.

There has been a lot of talk about the players the Bruins might get out of the Leafs' draft picks.  The best player the Leafs ever got out of a Bruins pick pretty much has to be Turnbull.  Further, for all the times the Leafs got hosed by losing players to the WHA, this was a case where they had the WHA to thank.

Where the Leafs lost Bernie Parent and a cast of thousands in 1972-73, the Bruins hadn't fared a whole lot better.  They had lost Gerry Cheevers (along with Sanderson, Green and McKenzie) and needed help in goal.  At the trade deadline, the Leafs sent them Jacques Plante for their first-rounder in 1973.  Jacques went 7-1 for the Bruins in the last NHL games he ever played.  The Leafs used the pick on Ian Turnbull.

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Joining the Leafs at the same time as Borje Salming, Ian brought yet another offensive presence from the back end.  If we compare the Salming/Turnbull pairing to the Kaberle/McCabe pairing of a few years back, Turnbull was more the McCabe figure.  He was a slightly better goal scorer and could also be periodically interesting in his own end.

He could bring the offense, though.  He still holds the Leaf single-season record for goals by a defenseman with 22 in 1976-77 (later tied by Al Iafrate).  He hit for 20 goals in 1975-76 and another 19 in 1980-81.  He scored five times in a Feb. 2, 1977 game against Detroit, an NHL record.  He's second overall in career goals by a Leaf defenseman, and got these totals in only half the games that Salming and Horton played.

Joe Pelletier had this quote from him about his five-goal night:

"It was very memorable. It’s a double-edged sword when you set records. Obviously you’re elated and excited about setting a record but at the same time it’s difficult once you’ve achieved a certain level, you’re expected to do it every night. And that type of performance, you can’t expect it to happen every night. I did score four in Los Angeles when I got traded out here with the Kings. And one of the interesting anecdotes was I was playing with a younger player at the time, Mark Hardy, and I had just come off from scoring the fourth goal and he wanted to know if that was a record. And I said, ‘No, that’s not a record.’ He said, ‘It isn’t? What’s the record?’ And I said, ‘Five.’ And he said, ‘Well who got that?’ And I said, ‘I did.’ Of course he was a younger player. So it was fairly typical that the younger players didn’t really know what the older players did or whatever. It was kind of a funny story."


His best moments in a Leaf uniform probably came in 1978 against the Islanders.  With Salming out of the lineup with an eye injury, it was Turnbull that really stepped up and helped the Leafs win that series.

Turnbull left the Leafs in the great purge of the second Imlach era.  He played a bit for LA and then Pittsburgh, but then decided there was more to life than hockey and moved on.  I've seen a number of post-hockey interviews and he seems like an interesting character with a lot of varied interests.  I don't think he's been bored much since he left the game.

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Say what you like about these ceremonies - I think it's pretty cool to fete guys like Turnbull, Baun and Stanowski.  Time will come when you can't.

 

A recent interview with Ian Turnbull, which would have been a lot better had it not been for an itch he had right in the middle of his chest.

They don't have the '78 playoffs on youtube, so here's a snippet from 1979.  Obviously, it's all about the brawling.  Ian gets his licks in....



Ian's stats:

 1968-69  West Island Flyers  MMJHL  25   6   17   23 
 1969-70  Montreal Jr. Canadiens  OHA-Jr.  53   4   21   25   88   16   3   3   6   8 
 1969-70  Montreal Jr. Canadiens  M-Cup  6   6   4   10   6 
 1970-71  Montreal Jr. Canadiens  OHA-Jr.  59   17   45   62   85   11   3   8   11   6 
 1971-72  Montreal Jr. Canadiens  OHA-Jr.  63   34   48   82   85 
 1972-73  Ottawa 67's  OHA-Jr.  60   31   50   81   98   9   6   10   16   8 
 1973-74  Toronto Maple Leafs  NHL  78   8   27   35   74   +12   4   0   0   0   8 
 1974-75  Toronto Maple Leafs  NHL  22   6   7   13   44   -6   7   0   2   2   4 
 1974-75  Oklahoma City Blazers  CHL  8   2   1   3   15 
 1975-76  Toronto Maple Leafs  NHL  76   20   36   56   90   +24   10   2   9   11   29 
 1976-77  Toronto Maple Leafs  NHL  80   22   57   79   84   +47   9   4   4   8   10 
 1977-78  Toronto Maple Leafs  NHL  77   14   47   61   77   +6   13   6   10   16   10 
 1978-79  Toronto Maple Leafs  NHL  80   12   51   63   80   -7   6   0   4   4   27 
 1979-80  Toronto Maple Leafs  NHL  75   11   28   39   90   -23   3   0   3   3   2 
 1980-81  Toronto Maple Leafs  NHL  80   19   47   66   104   -17   3   1   0   1   4 
 1981-82  Toronto Maple Leafs  NHL  12   0   2   2   8   -4 
 1981-82  Los Angeles Kings  NHL  42   11   15   26   81   0 
 1981-82  New Haven Nighthawks  AHL  13   1   7   8   4   3   0   0   0   0 
 1982-83  Pittsburgh Penguins  NHL  6   0   0   0   4   -3 
 1982-83  Baltimore Skipjacks  AHL  13   3   8   11   10 
 Leaf Totals  580   112   302   414   651   +32   55   13   32   45   94 
 NHL Totals  628   123   317   440   736   +29   55   13   32   45   94 




OMJHL Second All-Star Team (1972, 1973)
Played in NHL All-Star Game (1977)     

- Missed majority of 1974-75 season recovering from knee injury suffered in game vs. St. Louis, November 25, 1974.
- Traded to Los Angeles by Toronto for Billy Harris and John Gibson, November 11, 1981.

- Signed as a free agent by Pittsburgh, October 4, 1982.


The HHOF take on Ian:

"Throughout his career in hockey, Ian Turnbull was a natural, rushing defenseman and puck-handler who knew what to do in the other guy's end of the rink. He started out in the youth hockey programs of Montreal where he quickly discovered that he was naturally better at the sport than most of the other kids around the neighborhood.

He continued being a superior performer right up the ranks to the junior level where he skated for the Montreal Junior Canadiens and, later, the Ottawa 67's of the OHA from 1969 to 1973. In his final year as an amateur, he skated with Islanders great Denis Potvin as the two prepared to make the jump to the NHL at the same time.

Turnbull was picked up by the Toronto Maple Leafs in the 1973 Amateur Draft. He and the stalwart Borje Salming were teamed together to form one of the more accomplished defensive pairings in the league. All was progressing according to plan until a second-year collision occurred between Turnbull and Blues' enforcer Bob Plager. Turnbull ended up tearing knee ligaments that severely limited his action during the 1974-75 campaign.

After a year of healing, he bounced back, establishing himself as a premiere offensively capable rearguard. In 1977, however, he slipped into a lengthy scoring drought. He waited until a match against the Detroit Red Wings on the night of February 2 to break free from his malaise. He became the first blueliner to score five goals in one game en route to a 9-1 pasting of the Wings. The record still stands today.

Turnbull remained as a Leaf mainstay until 1981-82 before being dealt to the Los Angeles Kings after only 12 games with the Leafs. Upon his arrival with the Kings, Turnbull played most of the season with the parent club before being demoted to the New Haven Knight Hawks of the AHL later in the season. He tried his hand with the Pittsburgh Penguins the following year but found that his interest in hockey had been supplanted by an eagerness to get a career in business underway. As a result, he hung up his blades in 1982."

 

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Note: the top five scorers amongst Leaf d-men:

Salming 1099 148 620 768 1292
Horton 1185 109 349 458 1389
Kaberle 760 75 382 457 212
Turnbull 580 112 302 414 651
McKenny 594 81 246 327 292

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terrific as always 67. thanks for these.

i always thought it was a shame salming didn’t play his entire career in toronto. i really hope kabby stays till he retires, and breaks salming’s record in the process. that’d be a nice story (even better if it came with a cup win too).

Yesterday is dead, but not my memory.

by daoust on Nov 25, 2009 1:16 PM EST reply actions  

Salming thinks it’s a shame too. That plus turning down the captaincy.

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by PPP on Nov 25, 2009 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

salming told sundin the same thing, he regretted going to detroit. just like i’ll bet sundin ends up regretting vancouver

There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"

by Matt_Roberts on Nov 25, 2009 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

sundin already regrets vancouver.

Yesterday is dead, but not my memory.

by daoust on Nov 25, 2009 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

everyone regrets vancouver.

Yesterday is dead, but not my memory.

by daoust on Nov 25, 2009 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Ian Turnbull – only D man to score 5 goals in a game.

How awesome is it that the leafs hold the most points in a single game and most goals by a defenceman in a single game records?

Super awesome, thats how awesome.

There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"

by Matt_Roberts on Nov 25, 2009 1:45 PM EST reply actions  

Speaking of good and former Leaf defenseman,

did anyone else watch Stralman last night? Putting together a nice 50 plus point season. But no worries, we got Wayne Primeau for him. Good young player for an old plug, the Maple Leaf way. Go Burke go.

by penaltyshots on Nov 25, 2009 1:46 PM EST reply actions  

yes, burke has definitely shown a tendency towards older players, what with bozak, hanson, komi, beauchemin, gustavsson and kessel being signed, and all of them being under 30. it’s like the pre-cap pat quinn days all over again.

Yesterday is dead, but not my memory.

by daoust on Nov 25, 2009 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

it was straleman for the second that got us Kessel
Premeau was for the other bit piece player (whose name escapes me)
and considering Calgary only got a 3rd for him and he couldnt crack 2 NHL rosters i think it was a pretty good deal

Puns, Innuendo and Bad Spelling, Yes We Got That

by JaredFromLondon on Nov 25, 2009 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Which will make the move for Kessell even

more disgusting. When the Bruins draft another Joe Thornton with our pick and end their cup drought it will also have cost us a great young defenseman.

by penaltyshots on Nov 25, 2009 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Straleman is getting premier power play time on an offensivly gifted team, even if he cracked the leafs roster he wouldnt be getting anywhere near the numbers here

Puns, Innuendo and Bad Spelling, Yes We Got That

by JaredFromLondon on Nov 25, 2009 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Which

should be a cause for concern on a last place club.

by penaltyshots on Nov 25, 2009 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

If we used him like that,

it would have allowed us to trade Kaberle for picks.

by penaltyshots on Nov 25, 2009 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, because his play in toronto warranted first line minuites.
You don’t get max value for a player who can’t crack your roster and is invisible in 90% of his call ups.
Good for him if he found his groove. But it doesnt make the trade a bad one. He was traded at more than market value at the time. He seems to have since improved his game.
The Leafs have two more defensemen in that mold in the pipe in Gunnarson and Mikus. Gunnar already looks better all around than I can ever remember Staleman looking

Puns, Innuendo and Bad Spelling, Yes We Got That

by JaredFromLondon on Nov 25, 2009 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

he had

21 points in 80 games scatered over 2 seasons and a myriad of call-ups. Those are pretty good numbers.

by penaltyshots on Nov 25, 2009 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

did you already forget that we would have lost him on waivers for nothing anyways?

There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"

by Matt_Roberts on Nov 25, 2009 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

i will always remember that end to end rush against the habs though, that was beauty

There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"

by Matt_Roberts on Nov 25, 2009 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

it will also have cost us a great young defenseman.

What?!?! Did we trade Ian White?

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by PPP on Nov 25, 2009 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

No way

Ian White’s mustache will bring the Leafs the cup

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by Kevin Sellathamby on Nov 25, 2009 6:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Colin Stuart was the jobber

There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"

by Matt_Roberts on Nov 25, 2009 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

Come back when he puts that 50 point season together.

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by PPP on Nov 25, 2009 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Anybody can have a hot stretch where they put up a couple points over a couple games.

If Stralman does this over the entire season my hat’s off to him, but I’ll be shocked.

leaf fan stuck in ottawa, a localized black hole that will suck everything in that area to oblivion.

by stucky on Nov 25, 2009 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

He’s on Chemmy’s PPPPP team. I hope he breaks a leg this week.

by Clawson on Nov 25, 2009 6:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Look! Gunnarson’s on a 54-point pace!

Leaf, the universe and everything.

by 1967ers on Nov 25, 2009 9:59 PM EST up reply actions  

By that Logic

Gaborik is on pace for 91 goals (missed 4 games)
Thornton is on pace for 82 assists

and for our Leafs

Kaberle is on pace for 82 assists and 7 goals

Kessel is on pace for 42 goals and 21 assists (missed 12 games)

Trend Stralman for 50, if you can trend those two above me for their points totals.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."

Albert Einstein

by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Nov 25, 2009 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Kessel is totally pulling off those numbers.

by Clawson on Nov 25, 2009 6:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Anyone know the story of Turnbull allegedly putting vodka in the water bottles at Leafs practices? I’m sure I read about it in one of the many Leaf bios I’ve read. Tried to find it on-line and didn’t come up with anything.

Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...

by mf37 on Nov 25, 2009 3:26 PM EST reply actions  

they should try that now, couldnt possibly hurt

There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"

by Matt_Roberts on Nov 25, 2009 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Coach, I’m feeling no pain, put me on!

I am Mikhail Grabovski's smirking revenge.

by kidkawartha on Nov 25, 2009 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

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