My Heart is Crammed in My Cranium...
by blurr1974 on Nov 30, 2009 5:00 AM EST
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Print...and it still knows how to pound. It's the Monday after a long weekend and Frank Black is singing a song just for me.
Let's just get to the links.
- Steve is wondering what kind of return Niklas Hagman and Ian White could net the Leafs.
- On the flip side of that argument, the general takes a look at Garnet Exelby and Jeff Finger to determine who is the less useless.
- Down Goes Brown reviews the year that was.
- Sometimes I worry about LD...
- Leafs Rumination went to a Marlies game. Then it goes downhill.
- Toronto Sports Commentary likes the cut of the Leafs jib lately.
- Kavel is throwing a party for himself like nobody's business.
- MLHS talks about the heavyweight battle that never was.
- The Blue and White Beat likes Colton Orr. A lot .
- Would Jason Blake be an easier commodity to move had Burke hung on to Dominic Moore? Would the rumored $3M per Moore asked be worth it? Hockey Centric's Leaf blog is wondering the same thing.
- Supposedly the Anaheim Ducks are just one of the many teams pursuing Niklas Hagman.
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Komisarek back in the line-up tonight. Looks like Finger and Exelby will be the scratches.
Komisarek’s return gives Toronto eight healthy defenceman. Forward Jay Rosehill was assigned to the Marlies late last week so no player has be demoted to make room but two will have to sit as healthy scratches. Wilson said that “more than likely” will be Garnet Exelby and Jeff Finger.
by general borschevsky on Nov 30, 2009 7:48 AM EST reply actions
Also, Teenager of the Year is one of my favourite albums of all-time.
by general borschevsky on Nov 30, 2009 8:02 AM EST reply actions
I don;t know if this was linked on friday, but Leaf big Brother episode 2 is up: http://leafandlion.blogspot.com/2009/11/big-brother-tml-episode-ii.html
THIS IS A JOKE
Anyone looking to buy a new Leafs jersey should head over to NHL.com today. They are having a series of one-day sales on their website this week, and today’s is free jersey customization.
Let the internal debate on what player to get begin…
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I hope they don't trade Hagman
The Leafs don’t have enough quality top six forwards as it is… unless they get some talented youngsters coming the other way for him.
by Rock Outta SoCal on Nov 30, 2009 8:45 AM EST reply actions
Everybody and their mom will start talking about a Hagman for Bobby Ryan deal now, which will also never happen.
Not much to like in the Ducks system, but prospect wise I’m curious about Peter Holland, Jake Gardiner, Luca Sbisa or Kyle Palmieri…
I have nothing interesting to say.
by blurr1974 on Nov 30, 2009 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
they do have a couple first rounders from the Pronger deal that would be nice
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 30, 2009 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
Ryan for Hagman
won’t happen… but what about Ryan for White + Hagman?
That might happen, and Ryan would give the Leafs a legit top 6 power forward who is on his way up.
Not saying it should, just spitballing here.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Nov 30, 2009 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
It would have to depend on what the Ducks plans are I guess. They are kind of weak on the LW, but Selanne isn’t going to be around forever, and that leaves Perry, Ryan and Parros on the RW.
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by blurr1974 on Nov 30, 2009 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
I can’t imagine the Ducks would even consider that.
Ryan’s a very good young player who could be a star in the league for years. White and Hagman are both good players, but every team has a few guys just like them. If the Ducks want to deal Ryan, couldn’t they get much more somewhere else?
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by Down Goes Brown on Nov 30, 2009 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
depends on how stuck they are when it comes to re-signing him… wouldn’t you think that Heatley is worth more than Cheechoo and Michalek?
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by Karina on Nov 30, 2009 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
Have to think the Ducks could at least get a first if not two for Ryan, similar to the Kessel deal.
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yes
he is a 2nd overall draft pick. spent a lot of time in the minors, but given how he’s performed, i don’t think that hurt him.
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by blurr1974 on Nov 30, 2009 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
Except the Kessel deal
included zero NHL ready players. NHL ready players are worth a bit more than draft picks… especially when they’re 25.
Remember that Kaberle + 1st would have gotten Kessel at the draft… that means Kaberle would be theoretically equal to a 1st + 2nd + 3rd… White + Hagman have to be worth at least that much.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Nov 30, 2009 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
You’re assuming Hagman will be worth a first round pick come March?
I think the Ducks want to add Hagman to put on the 2nd line with Koivu and Selanne. Trading Ryan would leave another hole on the LW to fill. Seems pointless.
You're also ignoring
the fact that I included White ?
Which means they would be adding a top 4 blue liner to a team that’s lost Pronger, and has a slightly slower Neidermayer who is frankly on the edge of retirement.
Considering they might want to rebuild their D at some point, replacing a scoring winger with another scoring winger doesn’t leave you with a “hole” per se right now. It’s basically a means of addressing the hole’s that are opening up in their aging D corps.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Nov 30, 2009 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
Past this season
the only D men under contract for Anaheim are Whitney and Eminger.
They need more top 4 blue liners.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Nov 30, 2009 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
wow
Whitney and Eminger?
That’s…. sad.
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by Karina on Nov 30, 2009 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
Even if (and it’s a big if) the Ducks decided to deal Ryan for a veteran winger and a top-four defenceman, they could do much better than White/Hagman.
Let’s face it, Hagman’s a guy with a career best of 27 goals who happens to be on a hot streak right now. He is what he is, which is a solid top-nine (borderline top-six) guy who sadly doesn’t belong in a Bobby Ryan rumor.
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by Down Goes Brown on Nov 30, 2009 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
He isn't just on a hot streak right now
Prior to the hot streak, he was on pace for 30 goals.
The League only had like 25 guys score 30 goals last season, and he would have been one of them if he hadn’t been injured.
Hagman is a legit 30 goal scorer, and if you played him with Perry and Getzlaf it could easily be 35 or 40.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Nov 30, 2009 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
The idea that he isn't a top 6
or that he’s borderline is ridiculous. It’s just as ridiculous as the arguments that Ponikarovsky isn’t a legit top 6 forward on another NHL team.
The way Leafs nation derides their top talent blows my mind. Cases in point , Kubina and Antropov… anyone arguing about their top end skill level now that Kubina is 2nd in the NHL in plus/minus and Antropov is playing with Kovalchuk?
I’M NOT.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Nov 30, 2009 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
If it makes you guys feel better Damien Cox agrees with you
12:07
[Comment From Steve Steve: ]
Damien, there’s been a lot of chatter about trading Hagman or White later this year. Also, Bobby Ryan has turned down at least one tangible offer from the Ducks. Do you think there’s a chance the Leafs could trade White and Hamgan for Bobby Ryan?
Monday November 30, 2009 12:07 Steve
12:09
Damien:
If Burke could make that deal he’d do it in a heartbeat. Anaheim never would.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Nov 30, 2009 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
See, I could see Kaberle for Ryan straight up. But I don’t think Hag,an and White for Ryan is enough. The problem is that White is a tough read. Is he going to get any better, or is this it? Remember than Ryan is only 22 and already has 85 points in 112 games.
Kaberle for Ryan
wouldn’t be enough in the Ducks eyes, they’d want picks as well.
Kabby + 1st rounder for Kessel. Bobby Ryan could be (probably will be) better than Kessel.
I have nothing interesting to say.
by blurr1974 on Nov 30, 2009 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
he’s also a year older.
If I’m the Ducks, I want more. Giving up on the potential future of a guy who could be a superstar NHLer…? That’s going to cost a pretty penny.
That said, who knows what the plans are. If they’re still in the win it now mentality, maybe it fits their plans. If they, like just about every other GM/Team, are thinking of getting younger. Kabby for Ryan is the complete opposite of what they need to do.
I have nothing interesting to say.
by blurr1974 on Nov 30, 2009 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
Well
they brought back Selanne and Niedermayer for another kick at the can, and they’ve got Giguere for a little while yet, so maybe they aren’t done just yet?
Trading for Whitney at the deadline last year didn’t hurt their team, and I don’t think they’re out of the playoffs if their overall production increases.
I just don’t know if Ryan wants to play for them past this season.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Nov 30, 2009 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
They have until Free Agency to negotiate a deal with Ryan though, right?
By then, there may be a few more teams with the space, players and picks to make a deal.
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by blurr1974 on Nov 30, 2009 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
Even if Ryan wants out, they’re looking at a 1st, 2nd and 3rd as compensation as a minimum. That’s their worst case scenario, and it’s not much worse value than a White/Hagman package.
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by Down Goes Brown on Nov 30, 2009 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
they already have a ton of picks though. they will probably want roster players or NHL ready prospects to compete sooner than later,
unless those picks are lottery bound i see them trading him before an offer sheet.
saying that they could probably find a better package than white+hagman for him
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 30, 2009 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
i hope burke resigns poni
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 30, 2009 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
He's already
turned down two contract offers from the Ducks.
It makes one wonder what he’s thinking? i.e. Join team Burke/Nonis/Wilson/Kessel/Komisarek in Toronto? Apparently we’re recruiting the entire US National Team to play for us. I wonder if that means we’re getting Ryan Miller when he’s a free agent?
Just an idea.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Nov 30, 2009 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
if thats the case, the Kane must be a lock
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 30, 2009 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
Well at this point I'm thinking they'll poach players from non-contenders
and Chicago is a bit closer than Anaheim and Buffalo at this point.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Nov 30, 2009 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
LA, Colorado, New Jersey
again all a lot closer to the Cup than Anaheim at this point…
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Nov 30, 2009 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
speaking of which
does anyone know what the hell happened with the Samueli family in Anaheim? If the ownership situation is screwy that might have an impact on younger players wanting to be there longer term.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Nov 30, 2009 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
I believe Samueli was reinstated by the NHL a couple of months ago.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Nov 30, 2009 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
It sure is nice
that people under SEC investigation can keep on playing with their expensive toys!
Either way.. I think Murray wants to make the Ducks “his” team, and he hasn’t done much to change things yet.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Nov 30, 2009 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
he made
a number of moves at the deadline last year, but this summer I could see Selanne and Niedermayer both retiring, and he’ll really have a chance to put his mark on the team.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Nov 30, 2009 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
Almost nothing on the blue line though
Unless we count letting Pronger walk a move. He added Whitney …
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Nov 30, 2009 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
the Pronger walk was an attempt at cap relief.
Sadly, the mess the team is in currently is thanks in large part to our own Brian Burke.
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by blurr1974 on Nov 30, 2009 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
I blame Selanne and Neidermayer. He had to try to replace them, then they came back and handcuffed him.
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by Karina on Nov 30, 2009 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
how about white hagman and a prospect like stepanovic for Ryan?
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 30, 2009 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
I think that's too much.
White and Ryan are both RFAs, Hagman is the part that gets it done.
White fills a need the Ducks have on the blue line, Ryan adds grit and scoring to the Leafs. The Ducks lose that, but they get some back in Hagman.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Nov 30, 2009 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
the deal would definetly have to hinge on Ryan resigning with the Leafs
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 30, 2009 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
And they'd have
lots of cap space to sign him, so I don’t see that as being a huge problem.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Nov 30, 2009 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
At this point
Their D next year likely includes Ryan Whitney, James Wisniewski, Steve Eminger, and Brendan Mikkelson – who has bounced back and forth to the minors this season.
That’s 2 top 4 D, and 2 guys who are on the bubble. I seriously think they’d listen if we offered up White.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Nov 30, 2009 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
maybe throw in finger? they should have the cap room and he’d work for them
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 30, 2009 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
I considered that also
but the White being a 25 year old RFA thing makes his value a lot higher than Finger’s.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Nov 30, 2009 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
hell finger and white for Ryan, id do that in a hear beat
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 30, 2009 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
which is probably the problem in the first place.
If I trade doesn’t stop and make you think “hmmmmmmmmmmmm is it worth it?” it’s probably not realistic.
sshhhh
you’re ruining it
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 30, 2009 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
maybe Sbisa will be ready?
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Nov 30, 2009 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
Well yes
they have Sbisa, Mitera, and Bickel in the minors, but if you bring them and Mikkelson up, that’s 4 rookie blue liners… not exactly a recipe for consistency and success is it?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Nov 30, 2009 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
heh
All i know is that I was told that Sbisa was the Flyers’ Luke Schenn, so….
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Nov 30, 2009 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
Tonight
I’ll be live-blogging the game.
Stop by and say hi.
http://www.sportsandthecity.com/2009/11/leafs-sabres-live-bloggage.html
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Are you still going to be in the pressbox?
Say hi to Burkie for me.
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by Down Goes Brown on Nov 30, 2009 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
Burke will have him on food duty all night long. An example of one of eyebleaf’s updates:
Burke wants two dogs with ketchup and relish and a diet soda with no ice. Awesome!
They call me Splodeybones.
Also eyebleaf: no cheering in the press box.
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by Down Goes Brown on Nov 30, 2009 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
I’d put in a dollar for that too.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Nov 30, 2009 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
20 American Standard Dollars if you play bloge salming’s Damien Cox video loud enough for the real one to hear.
They call me Splodeybones.
I’ll chip in for that.
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by puckurgently on Nov 30, 2009 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
You guys are killing me.
And I’m supposed to be dressed up like LEAFS MAN!!!!1
If I do meet Damien, I will introduce myself as “Nineteen Sixty-Seven”
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nah, just speak to him in "baaaaa"s
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 30, 2009 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
Or I could end every sentence with “67.”
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You should also bring your own binoculars.
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by puckurgently on Nov 30, 2009 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
and a large cup that says “Kool-Aid”
and your crayons
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by Karina on Nov 30, 2009 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
Definitely bring all of these
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and a globe
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by blurr1974 on Nov 30, 2009 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
If the Leafs score the first goal, run around the press box shouting “Plan the parade!”
It will make Damien and the boys happy.
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by Down Goes Brown on Nov 30, 2009 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
brilliant idea!!!!1
as are the binos.
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And don't forget
to scream “PLAYOFFS!!!1” at the top of your lungs when the Leafs win.
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by Marc Pilgrim on Nov 30, 2009 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
And don't forget
to scream "PLAYOFFS!!!1" at the top of your lungs when the Leafs win come on the the ice.
by general borschevsky on Nov 30, 2009 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
speaking of live blogging
Damien Cox is doing a live blog Q+A on the Star website in 4 minutes.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Nov 30, 2009 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
No - that's me :)
re:
If I do meet Damien, I will introduce myself as "Nineteen Sixty-Seven"
But have fun with it and congrats on the opportunity!
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I’m pretty sure he’s already seen it. He sent me a message about it.
by Bloge Salming on Nov 30, 2009 7:04 PM EST up reply actions
They can't trade Hagman...
especially not to the Ducks. I don’t mind rooting for the Leafs, but I WILL NOT root for the Ducks.
Although, if they were willing to trade Hagman for Trevor Daley and Fabian Brunnstrom, we might have a deal :P
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by Brad_Richards_Rocks on Nov 30, 2009 11:17 AM EST reply actions
Benn and Neil get that done and done, we’ll even throw in Stajan
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 30, 2009 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
Definitely not Neal
but maybe Benn.
I just want to ditch Daley :P
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by Brad_Richards_Rocks on Nov 30, 2009 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
Thank me later
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by blurr1974 on Nov 30, 2009 11:27 AM EST reply actions
wow...
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 30, 2009 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
Wow.
4:15 seems to be actual footage of me reacting to the Clark/Sundin trade.
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by Down Goes Brown on Nov 30, 2009 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
Finger and Exelby healthy scratches
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by blurr1974 on Nov 30, 2009 11:44 AM EST reply actions
So that means we’re running Kaberle, Komisarek, Beauchemin, White, Schenn and Gunnarsson…
I approve.
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I really like that D core
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 30, 2009 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
I'd like it more if we could trade Kaberle
and get an even better Forward corps. Just saying.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Nov 30, 2009 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
i’d love to keep kaberle, but every man has his price
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 30, 2009 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
He's a luxury
that a rebuilding team can’t afford.
We need more draft picks, and prospects. I’m still annoyed that we didn’t trade him for Voracek in the off season if he was available.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Nov 30, 2009 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
Voracek would have been very nice and all, but I think he will get the Leafs something better than him and a second
at least I hope so
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 30, 2009 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
if we keep White and have Gunnarsson, I’m all for trading Kaberle.
It was for Voracek and a 2nd, right?
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by Karina on Nov 30, 2009 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
tus the rumour
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 30, 2009 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah...
as for better than Voracek, how much better does one get than a 20 year old that already has 15 points this season. That means he’s got more points than every Leaf forward other than Hagman, Stajan, and Grabovski… AND HE’S 20!!!
We all go crazy oohing and aahing over Kessel producing at the age of 22. Voracek is still 20!!!
Anyway… I digress.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Nov 30, 2009 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
haha, well who knows if he will fetch more than that but that is what I hope, especially with Kabby putting a better season together this year.
Vorachek and a first maybe?
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 30, 2009 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
He is one of the top 10 scorers in the NHL
who are 20 or younger.
That’s pretty damn impressive.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Nov 30, 2009 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
Perhaps
we shall see. If I’m Columbus I’m probably holding on to Voracek at this point. They do need to get better defensively though, and Mason is struggling, so maybe they need help in net?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Nov 30, 2009 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
heh
why do people keep saying he’s a disappointment lately? I was watching something about the Blue Jackets on the Score, they said that everyone expected Voracek to be another Jagr, and they’re very disappointed in his play… but he’s only 20???
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Nov 30, 2009 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
Same
so that means the whole “Schenn to the Marlies” stuff can stop now?
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by Marc Pilgrim on Nov 30, 2009 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
It’s already however many days since the first round of camp waivers too late.
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by puckurgently on Nov 30, 2009 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
They'll try to trade him before they waive him
I’m guessing for a lower round draft pick if possible.
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by Steve Burtch on Nov 30, 2009 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
I don't care if it's waivers or
trades, just get XLB out of here.
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by Marc Pilgrim on Nov 30, 2009 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
at this point
he’s a fill in when injuries happen. I’m fine with that.
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by Steve Burtch on Nov 30, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
he’s a fill in when injuries happen. I’m fine with that.
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If we’re talking about injuries, honestly, I’d rather find out what Oreskovic has got. At least with him there’s a chance it’s not nothing.
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by puckurgently on Nov 30, 2009 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah but
then you’d have to clear a roster spot, and he’s probably better off developing by playing every game rather than sitting in the press box. He’s actually still pretty young, and frankly I feel the same about him as I do about the other young players not being torn to shreds in the media for not performing up to snuff.
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by Steve Burtch on Nov 30, 2009 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
On a day-to-day basis, I agree with every word of that. When a spot opens due to injury, I’d much rather use him as an emergency recall on spot duty than waste minutes on Exelby.
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by puckurgently on Nov 30, 2009 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
The NHL Entry Draft was shortened to 7 rounds beginning in 2005.
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by SkinnyFish on Nov 30, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Boom.
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by puckurgently on Nov 30, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
the best bet to get rid of him would be to throw him the other way on a salary dump since he is an expiring contract
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 30, 2009 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
lol
ok so I guess they’ll be moving him for a bag of pucks and some tape?
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by Steve Burtch on Nov 30, 2009 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn’t waive Finger. What would be the goal, to bury him in the AHL forever? Once he’s down, he’s definitely not coming back up. He’s good enough for someone to be willing to stick the Leafs with half his cap hit. He can contribute. Not enough for what he gets paid, but he can contribute.
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by puckurgently on Nov 30, 2009 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
I'm now 2 for 2
In my questioning of Damien Cox and actually obtaining a response… the whole being appropriate and non-offensive thing is working… even if I disagree with his responses.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Nice
Saw those. Sent him one about Eyebleaf!
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My Chicago
question hasn’t come up… I’m guessing because he already answered one about the Blackhawks.
Now I need to come up with something off the wall he hasn’t thought of yet.
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by Steve Burtch on Nov 30, 2009 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
“Have you ever eaten a locomotive piece by piece… after you derailed it with your penis?”
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Just sent Mr. Cox
a question about the whole Schenn/Marlies dealie.
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by Marc Pilgrim on Nov 30, 2009 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
That's already come up
so I doubt you’ll get a response.
I asked him if the Leafs are high on anyone in the NCAA right now as a UFA that he knows of.
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by Steve Burtch on Nov 30, 2009 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
His response to that can be transalated to: “I don’t talk to that many sources and just regurgitate what I hear”.
Obviously the Leafs have targets in the NCAA, they just aren’t public knowledge yet because people aren’t reporting on them yet.
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by RepressedOptimism on Nov 30, 2009 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
He's going all out with the damn Olympic questions...
Despite the fact that there was a whole Leafs vs. Buffalo thing mentioned… which reminds me.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
the Olympic questions are annoying.
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by Karina on Nov 30, 2009 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
Nice
3 for 4!
NCAA question is up next.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Ok and now
I’ve asked if he plans on writing “the Leafs could have drafted Tyler Myers instead of trading picks to move up and select Schenn” articles in the future.
Thus giving it a Sabres/Leafs spin and hopefully getting his opinion on his usual behaviours at the same time.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
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oooh
that’s a good one.
Maybe ask him about Filatov as well.
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by Karina on Nov 30, 2009 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah it hasn't come up
so I doubt it’s going to.
But on to something else he’s said:
12:45
[Comment From PeeBee PeeBee : ]
Until a couple of weeks ago, it seemed that Burke was desperate to make some kind of a trade. With the recent mini winning streak, is that still a priority? Also have you heard any rumours involving the Leafs?
Monday November 30, 2009 12:45 PeeBee
12:46
Damien:
I, like you, hear rumours all the time. I ignore 99 per cent of them. Is Burke looking to deal? Absolutely. But there is no real market out there. The salary cap has all but killed NHL trading between October and February.
TOTALLY WRONG!!!
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
also wrong
To me, Fleury is ahead of Luongo, who has never won anything. But Brodeur still starts.
World Cup, 2004.
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by Karina on Nov 30, 2009 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
woo
my Marleau question came up….
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by Karina on Nov 30, 2009 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
wow
and now he’s being a jerk re: power forward question
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by Karina on Nov 30, 2009 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
Damien's a bit of a jerk
this is not news to us.
Interesting that my rebuttal to the trades thing didn’t make an appearance yet though.
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by Steve Burtch on Nov 30, 2009 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
and?
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 30, 2009 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
he thinks Marleau will make it to UFA, his pay day will be based on San Jose’s playoffs (which makes NO sense to me)
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by Karina on Nov 30, 2009 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
Here's why
in 2002-03 there were 22 deals between October and February
in 2003-04 there were 44 deals between October and February
LOCKOUT
in 2005-06 there were 35 deals between October and February
Trading Deadline moved up to the end of February so now I’m looking at October to January
in 2006-07 there were 39 deals between October and January
in 2007-08 there were 31 deals between October and January
in 2008-09 there were 44 deals between October and January
so far in 2009-10 there have been 14 deals, and there are still two full months, so we’re roughly on pace for another 30-40 deals… which last I checked is pretty damn close to the average of 33 in the two seasons pre-lockout, and the 38 post lockout.
Such a load of dung! But he does spout the party line very well.
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by Steve Burtch on Nov 30, 2009 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
I can’t follow it anymore, his Blake comment about actual salary being $3 mill but cap him $4 mill is idiotic.
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by Karina on Nov 30, 2009 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
Yes the fact that
they are paying Blake $3 million doesn’t really make the fact that his cap hit is $4 million any less painful.
It’s a bit inane to draw attention to that issue on his part actually, because in a cap world the only thing that matters is the cap number. If they were paying him $9 million this year, but his cap hit was $4 million, I’d still only care about the $4 million number as a fan. The team might care about the $3 mill versus $5 mill, but I couldn’t care less.
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by Steve Burtch on Nov 30, 2009 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
yeah
but certain teams are more interested in contracts when the cap number is higher than actual salary… that’s how we got to trade McCabe…
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by Karina on Nov 30, 2009 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
and I could see teams being interested in Blake. Still not sure why the thing about him making $1 mill a year was brought up though… since he doesn’t make $1 mill.
I wonder if Minnesota would be interested.
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by Steve Burtch on Nov 30, 2009 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
Cox said that if Blake made $1 mill, we might not hate him as much.
Minny is an interesting one.
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by Karina on Nov 30, 2009 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
Who would you even want from Minnesota?
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Nov 30, 2009 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
shepard, clutterbuck, gillies, cuma
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 30, 2009 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
but
is Minni dumb enough to offer anything for Blake?
by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Nov 30, 2009 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
no idea, they seem to have a dearth of prospects….
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by Karina on Nov 30, 2009 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
or Nashville
though I don’t know what they could give us in return, or if they’d have any interest in adding his contract.
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by Steve Burtch on Nov 30, 2009 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
Comment From Travis Travis : ]
Are there any power forwards in the league that you believe the Leafs should be going after via trade or free agency next summer? Monday November 30, 2009 12:58 Travis
12:58 Damien: Um, all of ’em?
Hee.
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"All of them"
Is he a european power forward or something? :P
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by Marc Pilgrim on Nov 30, 2009 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
what?
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 30, 2009 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
Lame joke
my bad. :(
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by Marc Pilgrim on Nov 30, 2009 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
yeah
dude makes me stabby
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by Karina on Nov 30, 2009 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
did cox suggest that?
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 30, 2009 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
No
he shot it down… thank god.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
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by Steve Burtch on Nov 30, 2009 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
ah, ok, some fans are idiots
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 30, 2009 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
Interesting thing to me is
he gave a longer more detailed explanation in response to that one than he did my White + Hagman for Ryan question… but I guess there isn’t much he can say about it at this point as it is all completely idle speculation.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
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by Steve Burtch on Nov 30, 2009 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
What makes me feel stupid at the moment is
I’m asking a non-expert for an expert’s opinion… why I’m doing that is beyond me, but I’m off from work for the day because I’m sick.
Basically I wish I was asking these same questions of Brian Burke, or Dave Nonis.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
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by Steve Burtch on Nov 30, 2009 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
I'm off sick too
But I am not delirious enough yet to ask Cox questions in which I expect insightful answers to
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Nov 30, 2009 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
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