What do the Leafs do at Centre?
by Chemmy on Nov 4, 2009 1:12 PM EST
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It's painfully obvious that the Leafs need a better option to pass to Phil Kessel than Matt Stajan. They also probably need a better winger than Jason Blake on that line but that's a Question of the Day for another day. Today's question: what should the Leafs do at centre?
- Stay the course: Tyler Bozak and Nazem Kadri are in the system and will fill the need eventually. This is obviously the most cap friendly move but what if Kadri isn't ready next season? What if Bozak isn't the right fit for Kessel?
- Bring in a UFA: Marc Savard is a UFA this summer as are Patrick Marleau and Olli Jokinen. The problem with this is what do we do with Grabovski, Bozak and Kadri? Grabovski makes $3M, Bozak makes $3.75, and if we're grooming Kadri he needs top line time too.
- Michael Nylander. Can Toronto convince Washington to bring Nylander through re-entry waivers and claim him for half of his $4.8 cap hit? Washington is desperately trying to clear cap space, maybe getting half of that space is enough. Nylander is old but is still a playmaking centre and an intriguing option to replace Matt Stajan.
Have at it in the comments. What do you think the Leafs should do at centre? Who stays? Who goes?
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I wouldn’t mind Nylander… if they bring him up through re-entry waivers, does that half of his salary count against their cap?
Rumours are that Tampa might put Lecavalier on the trading block. I’m interested, even though he makes way too much money.
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by Karina on Nov 4, 2009 1:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
1. Do not want Lecavalier.
2. He has a NMC. He’s not going anywhere he doesn’t want to.
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by Chemmy on Nov 4, 2009 1:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
heh
true, I’m not pinning all my hopes on it, but it could happen. We need something this season.
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by Karina on Nov 4, 2009 1:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Plus
we all know Lecavailier is gonna be a hab, right? Queue the Vinny to Montreal rumors.
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by BlueBuds on Nov 4, 2009 1:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i dont think his NMC would be an issue to come to canada, Toronto or montreal though…i doubt he wants that kinda spot light
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 4, 2009 1:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I have no idea about Vinny. I get the feeling that if he’s not wanted, he won’t force himself to stay. But I have read that he’s very attached to Tampa, it’s his home now, so I have no idea where he’d choose to go.
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by Karina on Nov 4, 2009 1:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah,I think he’d like Canada, well because its home, but he is obviously having troubles there, I donnu
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 4, 2009 1:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Option 1 makes the most sense. Keep as much cap space as possible, let the young guns develop Burke has been preaching patience and we are rebuilding, so it makes the most sense.
Option 2 would be an OK idea if they can’t forsee some of the young centres being as good as we think, or if they are planning on having a firesale at the trade deadline.
by Huey2k2 on Nov 4, 2009 1:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I voted Nylander
But only because he’s old and would fit for the short term, but not hurt the development of Kadri and Bozak in the long term.
by gooner4ever on Nov 4, 2009 1:16 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
There's no reason
that we cant realistically do all three. I think Burke will get what he can for our players that he has no intension of signing – picks most likely or some unknown player like Brent, see how the kids are doing in their development… we know he believes in letting players rip up the lower levels before he graduates them to the bigs, and with the extra cap space, sign players over the off season to continue the rebuild or re-tooling if you prefer.
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by BlueBuds on Nov 4, 2009 1:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nyls? Please take him. BB won’t give him icetime even if he was the last man standing in washington :/
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by sleza on Nov 4, 2009 1:17 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Because they’re trying to force him out of town.
by David M. Getz on Nov 4, 2009 2:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Right. Washington doesn’t have the cap room for Nylander to be their second line center. I doubt he has any problems other than Backstrom being better and cheaper and the future cap space needs of Semin, etc.
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by Chemmy on Nov 4, 2009 2:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Glad you guys showed up, btw. I figured I’d draw you in with my Nylander suggestion. ;)
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by Chemmy on Nov 4, 2009 2:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s the strongest stance you’ve taken yet. “Force” is a pretty strong description (not that I totally disagree). I’d probably massage the term a little more than that. “Make it clear he is not in their plans” or something to that effect.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Nov 4, 2009 3:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly I think the Nylander option is good. If we can get him even at full price, who cares if we have to bury him in the minors for one season?
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by Chemmy on Nov 4, 2009 1:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately, the Leafs have shown absolutely no willingness to do this with anything approaching a real contract (Mark Bell excluded)
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by PPP on Nov 4, 2009 2:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Half of Nylander is pretty darn close to Bell’s contract.
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by Chemmy on Nov 4, 2009 2:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Would you accept Nylander for Toskala? Straight up.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Nov 4, 2009 3:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
are you
a Caps fan?
’cause yes, yes we would do that.
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by Karina on Nov 4, 2009 3:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
In this event....I'd like to see the lines look something like this:
Stempniak-Nylander-Kessel
Hagman-Grabovski-Poni
Blake-Stajan-Kulemin
Primeau-Wallin-Orr
(the 2nd and 3rd can be tinkered with however you wish. I just like the idea of Kessel on a line with Nylander if he’s acquired and Stempninjiak on the other wing)
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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 4, 2009 3:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I’m a huge Caps fan. The only reason I’d take Toskala is because as I understand it he doesn’t have a NMC so we can just demote him to Hershey and we keep our cap space. Sucks for the owner, but it’s not my money.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Nov 4, 2009 3:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
In a heartbeat.
No seriously. Where do I sign?
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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 4, 2009 3:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh god yes.
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by Chemmy on Nov 4, 2009 3:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How many more years does Nylander have on his contract? Just this one?
by Theodles on Nov 4, 2009 1:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
This year and next year at $4.875
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by Chemmy on Nov 4, 2009 1:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nylander for $2.4ish is what I’m saying though, and I think Washington would be happy to just give him away.
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by Chemmy on Nov 4, 2009 1:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
considering they dont play him, id agree
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 4, 2009 1:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, no doubt they would.
If we did that though, I’m just worried we’d have to do what Washington did and bury him in the minors, especially if we can snag a centre from FA and Kadri is ready. I don’t like shitcanning players.
by Theodles on Nov 4, 2009 1:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Washington can’t afford to bury him in the minors. They also can’t afford his $4.875 cap hit since they need to re-sign Semin.
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by Chemmy on Nov 4, 2009 1:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ted Leonsis was surprisingly transparent at the trade deadline last year in saying many teams bankers (bankers!) won’t permit clubs to bury massive salaries in the minors.
That said, how bad is Nylander that the Caps are desperately trying to give him away? I fear Khristich 2.0.
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by mf37 on Nov 4, 2009 1:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The only a team can get him for 1/2 price is to claim him on re-entry draft. To get him at full price a team usually get something extra in return. i e the player and a 3rd for a sixth.
by MrRoland on Nov 4, 2009 2:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Option #2
Kadri looks to be the real deal, but next year the Leafs have a great chance at getting a proven 1st liner in free agency. More than Savard, I think Marleau is the #1 guy for the Leafs. He’s got both size and skill, something lacking with the Leafs forwards, and is two years younger than Savard.
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by SkinnyFish on Nov 4, 2009 1:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I love Marleau.
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by Karina on Nov 4, 2009 1:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m with this, go for Marleau first, Savard second.
Kadri couldnt hurt to have an extra year in jr or even the AHL, and if either one of those players comes in i dont see stajan sticking around
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 4, 2009 1:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The problem with Marleau is he turtles under pressure. Does nothing in the playoffs.
by MrRoland on Nov 4, 2009 2:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
dude
totally wrong. He was the only player to score any GWGs last year. He’s great in the playoffs, the rest of the team wilts around him.
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by Karina on Nov 4, 2009 2:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Joe Thornton
pulled the biggest disappearing act in the playoffs, and all the offense flows through him.
Patty got buy without him, the rest of the team couldn’t.
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by blurr1974 on Nov 4, 2009 2:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the whole team sucks in the playoffs, pinning that only on Marleau is a bit of a stretch.
remember when Wilson was the problem?
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 4, 2009 2:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Patrick Denis Marleau (born September 15, 1979 in Swift Current, Saskatchewan)
I think he wants to play with OLAS. Wouldn’t you? :)
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by kidkawartha on Nov 4, 2009 2:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the leafs always do well by good ol saskatchewan boys
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 4, 2009 2:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Also, he was drafted second overall behind Jumbo Joe. I think he might be like Vinnie in that he’s sick of playing in a city where there’s no such thing as outdoor ice, ever.
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by kidkawartha on Nov 4, 2009 2:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
shush you
he loves it here. won’t be surprised at all if he re-ups.
in fact, i think the only reason he won’t is because Wilson decides to go a different way.
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by blurr1974 on Nov 4, 2009 2:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, I expect that’ll be the case.
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by Karina on Nov 4, 2009 2:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, get down to the San Jose practice facility and serenade him, will ya?
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by kidkawartha on Nov 4, 2009 2:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He must have grown up watching Ian White’s moustache develop in the Dub.
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by Sergei Puckizin on Nov 4, 2009 4:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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Marleau was good in the playoffs last year though.
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by PPP on Nov 4, 2009 2:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
eh
2 G and 1 A in 6 games.
Marleau’s playoff production since the lockout:
05-06 – 11GP, 9G, 5A (<—Very nice)
06-07 – 11GP, 3G, 3A
07-08 – 13PG, 4G, 4A (<— Also good)
08-09 – 6GP, 2G, 1A
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by SkinnyFish on Nov 4, 2009 2:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the sharks were over all brutal last year in the post
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 4, 2009 2:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It was a pretty low-scoring series wasn’t it?
The team as a whole underperforms. I don’t know if you can pin it on one guy.
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by PPP on Nov 4, 2009 2:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would cream my pants if the Leafs got Marleau and didn’t overpay for him.
by Huey2k2 on Nov 4, 2009 1:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ugh. NOT happening. If my memory serves me, he and Wilson had a major fallout in RW’s last season in San Jose.
by birky on Nov 4, 2009 1:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
from what ive heard Marleau and wilson burried the hatchet
also i dont see wilson sticking around too long if this team keeps it up
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 4, 2009 1:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Burke says Wilson’s not the problem, I take Burke at his word.
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by Karina on Nov 4, 2009 1:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
not now no, but if its april and the leafs have finished in the bottom 4 andd there have been more than a few roster moves?
Wilson gets the can, do doubt
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 4, 2009 1:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We should bookmark this/start a bet. Even if the team goes completely off the rails I don’t see it falling on Wilson this year.
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by mf37 on Nov 4, 2009 1:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There’s no way Wilson gets canned short of him pulling the goalie in the first period every game.
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by Chemmy on Nov 4, 2009 2:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
short of him pulling the goalie in the first period every game
I’m not sure that’s a bad coaching strategy when ToskaLOL starts…
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by jrwendelman on Nov 4, 2009 5:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt Burke will fire Wilson, and if it does happen it won’t be this year.
I think Burke knows that this time isn’t ready to compete yet, so I can’t imagine him firing RW this early. Also isn’t RW his coach for team USA? Or am I mistaken?
by Huey2k2 on Nov 4, 2009 1:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it definetly wont happen before the olympics
my guess is that it happens during the playoffs at the earliest
if it does happen
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 4, 2009 2:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you but after the Olympics he will be on a short leash.
by MrRoland on Nov 4, 2009 2:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No he won’t.
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by Chemmy on Nov 4, 2009 2:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Marleau came out and openly said he would love to play on another RW coached team.
The media just likes to blow things out of proportion.
by Huey2k2 on Nov 4, 2009 1:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
this
is correct.
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by blurr1974 on Nov 4, 2009 1:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Marleau is the Sundin of the west coast. When he plays fantastic (which he does more often than not) no one notices. When he has a bad stretch, he’s the first guy everyone rags on.
Full disclosure, huge Marleau fan.
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by blurr1974 on Nov 4, 2009 2:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed, Marleau in a second (for under 6 mill)
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 4, 2009 2:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he will get 6+ for sure
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 4, 2009 2:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i think he maxes out at 6, unless some one goes bat shit and offeres him more
which will happen
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 4, 2009 3:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
SAME!
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by leafer1984 on Nov 4, 2009 2:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would feel better about the stay the course option if the Leafs had their 1st round picks…
Also, how is Bozak making 3.75 mill?
by Its Cold In Here on Nov 4, 2009 1:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
bonuses i beleive
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 4, 2009 1:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
potential bonuses. Really it’s just $875,000.
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by SkinnyFish on Nov 4, 2009 1:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bonuses.
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by Chemmy on Nov 4, 2009 1:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he'd better not be getting $3.75 in bonuses for 4 pts in 8 AHL games
by pevans on Nov 4, 2009 1:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i heard on leafs lunch that Bozak has been REALLY sick for over a week
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 4, 2009 1:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, hes missed a couple weeks with the flu
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 4, 2009 1:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Those bonuses kick in based mostly on GP at the NHL level if I’m not mistooken. There’s probably point thresholds as well. All pretty basic stuff. I imagine the monster has some of that in his contract as well but I’m not sure.
by Kenjamin on Nov 4, 2009 1:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
monster’s deal maxes out at 900K if he hits all his bonuses
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by clrkaitken on Nov 4, 2009 7:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He signed a free agent deal out of Denver University.
by Eric B on Nov 4, 2009 9:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bring in Marc Savard
So he can go back to feeding Kessel all those goals like back in Boston >:D
by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Nov 4, 2009 1:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Do everything you can to get Mar Savard in here if he hits the UFA market. Honestly, as good as Kadri is, im not expecting him to step into the NHL and be a #1 centre who can take us the playoffs with a well rounded game right away. He may crack the roster but He will still need a couple years to develop.
Let Bozak and Grabo fight for a centre spot and get rid of Stajan, or make stajan your 4th line centre with a reduced salary on his next contract.
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 4, 2009 1:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
get rid of Stajan, or make stajan your 4th line centre with a reduced salary on his next contract.
How many 25 year old UFAs take a pay cut? Stajan is likely gone at the trade deadline.
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by mf37 on Nov 4, 2009 1:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed, stajan will be gone unless he somehow starts tearing it up
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 4, 2009 1:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well, look at dominic moore. i know hes not 25 but i bet the same thing happens to stajan. i cant see him getting a raise anywhere
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 4, 2009 1:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Moore’s numbers were a product of massive ice-time, I don’t think that’s the case with Stajan.
As much as I dislike him, I think he’d be a nice addition to a team that’s much further down the development/compete cycle. A team where he doesn’t have to provide a physicial presence and can get by playing 12 minutes a night.
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by mf37 on Nov 4, 2009 1:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
BAN
Dominic Moore expected a ridiculous contract from Burke last year. Think Jason Allison circa July 1, 2006.
Moore might get a tryout in 2012 but that’s about it.
by Kenjamin on Nov 4, 2009 1:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Moore got a contract! =D
He’s making 1.1 mill this year…for one year.
Bwahahahahahha
by Theodles on Nov 4, 2009 2:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he probably coulda got 2 outa burke
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 4, 2009 2:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Indeed.
Greed only pays when you have talent like Kessel. =D
by Theodles on Nov 4, 2009 2:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
moore was probably used to dealing with JFJ and figured the strong arm approach would work with Burkie
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 4, 2009 2:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he probably deserved it as well
a good pay rise that is.
by gooner4ever on Nov 4, 2009 2:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he deserved 2 mill, no more no less
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 4, 2009 2:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And he wanted 3… I don’t know if it was his agent being a dickface or if Moore ACTUALLY believed he deserved Grabo (lol) money.
Either way, I have a feeling some bridges were burnt. Julius Caesar over the Rhine style. Bad-ass.
by Kenjamin on Nov 4, 2009 2:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
3? jesus no wonder we traded him.
He seems like a nice guy so I guess his agent got greedy. With good reason though, some of these contracts are getting silly now (length and amount).
by gooner4ever on Nov 4, 2009 2:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
wasn’t he on minimum though? I bet he’d bit your hand off at 2M now.
Anyone know what he wanted?
by gooner4ever on Nov 4, 2009 2:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
3ish
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 4, 2009 2:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
a few things
Bozak earns $3.75 million this year? WTF? Also, giving Grabbo $3M seemed like a bad idea to me at the time and marginally worse now that we’re 10 games into the season.
Dude is not a first line centre. He’s very far off from being a consistent 60-point NHL player. The Sergei Berezin comparisons are apt.
Re: Nylander. Possibly. How many years left on his deal though? And is he half-price for all? I doubt it.
To me, the best option is the UFA route. Get taht elite 1st line centre. Bozak and Kadri may turn into that down the line, but its quite clear neither is an 75-point + 1st line NHL centre this year or next. If they’re awesome, so what? We have a good second line.
by pevans on Nov 4, 2009 1:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Nylander would be half price for both years if claimed off re-entry waivers.
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by Chemmy on Nov 4, 2009 1:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
nylander was great playing with jagr, i find it hard to imagine him with instant chemistry with kessel though…. seems like a bit of a stretch
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 4, 2009 1:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
why
is Nylander in the minors again? Is it cap related, performance, or attitude?
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by BlueBuds on Nov 4, 2009 1:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
cap/performance
Basically he’s not as good as Backstrom
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by Chemmy on Nov 4, 2009 1:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bozak’s contract is for $65,000 in the AHL and $875,000 in the NHL. He has potential bonuses of $2.85 million. Probably say that he needs to win the Hobey Baker to get them.
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by SkinnyFish on Nov 4, 2009 1:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hobey Baker?
don’t you mean Calder?
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by Karina on Nov 4, 2009 1:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nope, Hobey Baker. Burke is a genius with his contracts. :P
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by SkinnyFish on Nov 4, 2009 1:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Grabs is a second line centre and is paid like it. $2.9 mil is not a comp for a first line centre’s salary.
What are the “above average” (say 65th %‘ile?) salaries for first line centres in the NHL nowadays? I’m guessing between $4.5 and $5.5 mil?
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by Sergei Puckizin on Nov 4, 2009 4:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Primeau and Wallin are useless, they had better not be on this team next year.
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 4, 2009 1:25 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Haven't seen much of Wallin
But Primeau’s been invisible so far
by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Nov 4, 2009 1:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They’re not useless. They’re solid 3rd/4th liners who can kill penalties. I wouldn’t mind having Wallin back next year.
by Theodles on Nov 4, 2009 1:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
not me, my 4th liners are fast and can hit. wallin isnt fast and doesnt, he plays a pretty smart game but there are better options out there. Primeau is just terrible
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 4, 2009 1:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
*doesnt hit
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 4, 2009 1:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
my 4th liners are fast and can hit…there are better options out there
Can we start naming options and price points.
Wallin has been a nice addition to the team. Not bad on faceoffs, cheap, smart and calm. Leafs PK is finally improving and Primeau and Wallin are #1 and #2 in SH TOI. I don’t think that’s a coincidence.
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by mf37 on Nov 4, 2009 1:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
If people are upset with the play of Wayne and Rickard I want to hear some reasonably priced and available replacements.
And if anybody says Dominic Moore I hope they get banned.
by Kenjamin on Nov 4, 2009 1:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You said his name, hold on let me ban you.
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by Chemmy on Nov 4, 2009 1:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
remember how much you loved him?
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REBEL YELL
oh how i loved him so…
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by blurr1974 on Nov 4, 2009 1:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No? I hated Moore way before anyone else.
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by Chemmy on Nov 4, 2009 2:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 4, 2009 2:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
rec’d.
I like you.
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by Karina on Nov 4, 2009 1:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bingo
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by PPP on Nov 4, 2009 2:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Id rather have deveraux for one, darren helm is the perfect guy but obviously he is a red wing.
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 4, 2009 2:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Helm
is only a 4th liner because he’s on the Wings, he’d be 2nd – 3rd anywhere else.
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by Karina on Nov 4, 2009 2:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he is awesome… i love helm
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 4, 2009 3:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
wallin yes, primeau no
mind you, i think that’s the plan. Primeau was the throw in to make the Stralman trade to get our pick back to get Kessel. Nothing more, I dont think.
wallin’s been unspectacular, but far from a sinkhole.
that’s what you want in a grinder. Non liabilities
by pevans on Nov 4, 2009 1:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
im not sold on Wallin. I dont think he really brings much to the table…
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 4, 2009 1:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wallin = Stempniaklite
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by SkinnyFish on Nov 4, 2009 1:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wallin
is way better than Stempniak defensively. He’s, at best, a 3rd line center.
Primeau is a Wilson guy, I am glad we have him, he’s really settled down our PK.
Guys, our problem isn’t the 4th line players. It’s that we have a whole bunch of 2nd and 3rd liners supplying the majority of our offense.
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by Karina on Nov 4, 2009 1:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
WAllin has absolutley 0 offensive upside, and isnt really a fast skater….. for me, this should be his only year here.
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 4, 2009 1:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
we don’t need offensive upside. He’s not super fast, but he is smart and positionally sound. And he has leadership qualities.
He’s the kind of depth player you win with. He’s not the problem.
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by Karina on Nov 4, 2009 1:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i dont think hes part of the solution either
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 4, 2009 1:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the solution to us winning? Dude’s not gonna score, but that’s not what he’s supposed to do. He’s doing a good job playing defensively, which does give us a chance.
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by Karina on Nov 4, 2009 1:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I dont want to argue about the 4th liners when there are so many problems above them…. from what ive seen so far I just think we could do better on the 4th line than Wallin and Primeau, especially primeau.
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 4, 2009 1:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I just think you’re focusing on a non-issue.
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by Karina on Nov 4, 2009 1:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no, everything is an issue right now, its just a smaller one.
the 4th line counts and they arent doing naything productive out there. they arent hitting, forechecking, nothing. just eating up ice and giving the ouck away. the only area wallin and primeau have been decent at time is the PK, but our PK is last in the league
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 4, 2009 1:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
our pk has been 100% the last two games
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 4, 2009 1:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
PK
is last in the league but improving. Problems were with everyone on the PK, but now that we have Primeau and Gustavsson in, it’s improving. DOn’t forget that Primeau was out to start the season.
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by Karina on Nov 4, 2009 1:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ok ok ill drop it.
I never said they were the problem either guys, dont put words in my mouth. I just said I think we could get better guys to fill that 4th line role. thats all
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 4, 2009 1:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
this just doesn’t make sense to me. It’s the 4th line.
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by Karina on Nov 4, 2009 1:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and they dont count?
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 4, 2009 1:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
they’re doing exactly what they need to do.
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by Karina on Nov 4, 2009 1:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Orr Rosehill and Mayers would be a decent 4th line energy wise
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 4, 2009 1:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think you can put Rosehill and Orr on the same lineup card…
That’s 1 out of 6 players with virtually zero chance of doing anything except fight and throw a few hits.
And no, that isn’t all they’re expected to do.
by Kenjamin on Nov 4, 2009 1:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
rosehill actually has pretty decent hands, he wont be winning any scoring races, but he isnt typically ham handed like most enforcers
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 4, 2009 1:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Neither one can kill penalties.
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by PPP on Nov 4, 2009 2:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
nope
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 4, 2009 2:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
alright, i hear ya. i didnt want to even focus on that this long anyways so ill drop it
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 4, 2009 1:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The issue is who are these better guys that are going to be cheap?
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by PPP on Nov 4, 2009 2:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
McCammond? Peca? Hinote? Joel lundqvist? Deveraux? Lehtinen? Ryan Johnson? Eager?
All of these guys are UFA either right now or at the end of the year. there are more as well. most come in under a mil.
just sayin
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 4, 2009 3:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Durno!
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 4, 2009 3:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
McAmmond’s done. Peca is not a 4th liner. I wouldn’t mind Hinote. Lundqvist – not a 4th liner. Are you serious about Lehtinen?
Johnson will re-up in Vancouver.
Eager, also not a 4th liner.
Deveraux is the only one that I’m OK with on that list.
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by Karina on Nov 4, 2009 3:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
NO BOYD!
Him and that goddamn hat trick!!
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by leafer1984 on Nov 4, 2009 3:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
im just throwin names.
lehtinen is only making 1.5 and is a solid defensive player with tons of experience. that makes sense to me…. although i guess you would see him more as a 3rd liner? or wha?
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 4, 2009 3:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah he’s a solid defensive player, but he’s not coming to Toronto to play on our 4th line. He’ll either retire (check out how many games he’s missed in the past 2 years) or stay on cheap with Dallas.
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by Karina on Nov 4, 2009 3:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ok.
why wouldnt peca come here to kill penalties and play 7 mins a night? injuries would be the #1 reason i guess…
but anyways, sorry for beating a dead horse here karina
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 4, 2009 3:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no worries
I mean, I don’t think our 4th line is the best either, it’s not a typical Burke #4 line, but there’s not a lot we can do until we move out some of the guys ahead of them on a depth chart, and towards a more typical Top 6 – Bottom 6 roster.
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by Karina on Nov 4, 2009 3:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed, there is just too much fat to be trimmed in the middle of the roster. that needs to be dealt with first
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 4, 2009 3:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
haha
fat from the middle of the roster – I like it.
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by Karina on Nov 4, 2009 3:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hehe, well too many of guys seem to be the same player. they have to decide between stajan/grabo/mitchell for the 2nd/3rd centre spots and they have to decide between blake/hagman/poni/stemp/kulemin for the first two lines… not enough room for everyone once bozak/kari/stalberg/UFA come into town for good
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 4, 2009 3:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess Wallin and Primeau will have to do until someone comes up through the system. I always thought Ondrus would be one of those guys but he seems destined to play for the marlies
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 4, 2009 3:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed, the 4th line being better is the least of the Leafs worries
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 4, 2009 1:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yup. The guys who place 5-6 minutes a game aren’t the problem.
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by SkinnyFish on Nov 4, 2009 1:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Primeau and Wallin have been actually pretty decent players on the PK.
You don’t notice them out there?
You ain’t SUPPOSED to notice them. (In my best Chris Rock impression.)
by Kenjamin on Nov 4, 2009 1:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i notice them fuck up
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 4, 2009 1:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Alright, I have to ask the question:
Which one of them slept with your sister?
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by SkinnyFish on Nov 4, 2009 1:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you already know the answer to that question. ;-)
by Kenjamin on Nov 4, 2009 1:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I know it's Wallin
Because he’s Swedish and those guys are operators.
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by PPP on Nov 4, 2009 2:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wallin’s seems like a pretty progressive guy, maybe he slept with both family genders.
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by kidkawartha on Nov 4, 2009 1:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Let’s just say that “Rickard Wallin” is actually a clever anagram….
by Kenjamin on Nov 4, 2009 2:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just don’t move to Maine with him, Kenjamin. ;)
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by kidkawartha on Nov 4, 2009 2:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
also
this is gonna be his only is first full year in the NHL
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by BlueBuds on Nov 4, 2009 1:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he played a full year in minnesota didnt he?
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 4, 2009 1:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
look
all im saying is, from watching the games this year, the 4th line has been a liability on the ice. They cant handle the puck, they give it away in centre ice, and they are all slow, very very slow.
I know its not the main problem, but i think the 4th line needs more energy and needs to be faster
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 4, 2009 1:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
they could use more energy, yes, I would prefer to have Wallin as our 3rd line center, and a feisty winger on the 4th line, but they are not costing us goals. Orr is getting more chances in the offensive end than most of our other forwards – the problem is the 3 lines above them, not the 4th line.
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by Karina on Nov 4, 2009 1:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
wallin as the 3rd line centee? really!? they cant cant get anything done in the other teams end of the ice
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 4, 2009 1:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that’s not the job of the 3rd line.
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by Karina on Nov 4, 2009 1:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wallin is a shut down center, at best, right now the leafs dont have a shut down line, they have three “scoring” lines and one smash things line, thats why he doesnt fit
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 4, 2009 1:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Burke model would typically include a “nothing line,” like Moen-Pahlsson-Niedermayer in Anaheim, which doesn’t really bring any offense, but just shuts the other guys down. Wallin seems like the right type for that.
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by puckurgently on Nov 4, 2009 1:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
this
this is where I see Wallin fitting in. Just he has noone to fit in with.
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by Karina on Nov 4, 2009 1:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the closest we have is premeau, who works well with Wallin, but putting them with Orr isnt a solution
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 4, 2009 1:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
primeau cant handle the puck at all though… hes brutal
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 4, 2009 1:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yup, but him and wallin are excellent at shutting down the other teams offense, if all they have to do is block the pass, prevent the scoring chance and clear the puck, they dont do too bad (except wallin cant seem to clear the puck to save his life)
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 4, 2009 1:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t care how well he can stickhandle. If he can fill up lanes and then shovel the puck out of the Leafs’ end with both hands I’m happy.
Players don’t need to score goals or get assists to be effective members of a team.
by Kenjamin on Nov 4, 2009 1:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
even they scores SOME goals
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 4, 2009 1:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
19 games
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by BlueBuds on Nov 4, 2009 1:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yes but as i said, he doesn't take anything off the table either
i dont mind him leaving, but I’ve yet to yell “WTF ARE YOU DOING” at him so far. Very few Leafs can claim that this year.
by pevans on Nov 4, 2009 1:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Option #1
Nothing is happening this year. Stay the course, wait for the kids.
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by blurr1974 on Nov 4, 2009 1:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
This.
The only moves I could really see Burke making are dumping guys that aren’t in his long term plans for picks at the deadline.
by Huey2k2 on Nov 4, 2009 1:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Try everyone
I’d like to see them give all the centers, including Bozak, a chance to play with Kessel and see what clicks.
There seems to be this idea that great wingers just automatically clickwith great centers, but these sort of connections tend to be more random. Heck, Wayne Gretzky was awful with Brett Hull. You can’t really predict what’s going to work.
Give each center at least a few games and see if anything develops. Who knows, maybe Mitchell’s the answer.
But yeah, definitely get Bozak up here and let’s see what happens.
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by Down Goes Brown on Nov 4, 2009 1:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, just wanted to clarify after reading some of the other comments: when I say “let Kessel play with every single other center in the entire system”, I’m obviously excluding Wallin.
Dear god, that guy sucks.
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by Down Goes Brown on Nov 4, 2009 1:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
thank you dgb!
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 4, 2009 1:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He’s defensively responsible, but he doesn’t hit and I legitimately have better puckhandling skills.
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by Chemmy on Nov 4, 2009 1:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hmm this is true, his lack of hitting is disturbing.
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by Karina on Nov 4, 2009 1:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
see, i was on to something
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 4, 2009 3:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
this
hasn’t “defensively responsible” just become polite shorthand for “guy who couldn’t score on a Habs fan’s mother”
by pevans on Nov 4, 2009 1:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No. He does a great job in our end shutting down plays.
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by Chemmy on Nov 4, 2009 1:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Options 1 & 2
I’m afraid some people are predicting Kadri will be ready for first line centre duty next October. The odds of that being the case are incredibly slim. He’ll probably play in the AHL next year. Burke didn’t rush Bobby Ryan (#2 behind Crosby) so I don’t think he will bring Kadri up any quicker.
We need a top-flight UFA to plug the GAPING hole at C up front. I’d prefer Savard over Marleau and Marleau over Jokinen but all three give us some scoring punch up the middle.
What’s with all the hate on Wallin? Dude makes like 900k and plays 10 minutes a night. He makes plug money, plays plug minutes and plays plug hockey while displaying at least some defensive acumen. That’s more than you can say about many other plugs in blue and white. Because that’s what about 75% of them are. Plugs. At least be equal opportunity plug-bashers!!
by Kenjamin on Nov 4, 2009 1:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Ryan would have been up much sooner, but the Ducks didn’t have the cap space.
by birky on Nov 4, 2009 1:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not so sure
Perry and Getzlaf both played in the AHL more than you’d expect first rounders to as well.
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by PPP on Nov 4, 2009 2:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe thats why Bozak, Tlusty, Stalberg, and Hanson are still with the Marlies.
by birky on Nov 4, 2009 2:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Getzlaf played 17 regular season AHL games.
Perry played 19.
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by Chemmy on Nov 4, 2009 2:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm
But they played some. I thought that they played more.
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by PPP on Nov 4, 2009 2:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
plus
the lockout year
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by Karina on Nov 4, 2009 2:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Perry played in the OHL during the lockout, Getzlaf played in the WHL.
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by Chemmy on Nov 4, 2009 2:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, they played some time after they were in the NHL, played the soft parade and PP minutes, and were eased into being big producers.
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by PPP on Nov 4, 2009 2:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This is news to me. But HockeyDB has never led me astray before so I suppose it’s true.
For some reason I thought they spent a long time down there but I guess the lockout threw my mental math out of whack.
I’m pretty sure I watched Ryan play some games for the Sound Attack (LOUD!!!) back in University… that was fun.
by Kenjamin on Nov 4, 2009 2:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Getzlaf played a grand total of 28 AHL games, including 11 playoff games, Perry played 23 AHL games, including 4 playoff games.
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by blurr1974 on Nov 4, 2009 2:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Both were first rounders though so even that was more than usually expected.
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by PPP on Nov 4, 2009 2:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Right, and they both played playoff games in seasons where they didn’t play any games in the RS, meaning their junior teams were eliminated and their AHL team called them up.
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by Chemmy on Nov 4, 2009 2:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If a deal comes up that serves Toronto’s overall interests, Burke will pull the trigger. None of us know with any certainty what Vinnie really wants, but he’s obviously tired of playing in Tampa, and I suspect wants to join a real franchise for the rest of his career. Wouldn’t you? That could mean us, or Montreal, or somewhere else. The big problem of course, is that he is profoundly overpaid- if there was a way we could sign him for 5 years at $7 million per, who here wouldn’t take it?
Tampa still owes us, and we have spare parts that we could rid of up front. Stajan, Blake, Mayers, etc. The problem is, I really, really want a pick out of Tampa somehow.
Sigh.
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by kidkawartha on Nov 4, 2009 1:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Pick up the phone...
And call John Davidson.
See what he wants for Tkachuk and McDonald. I’ve always thought very highly of McDonald and he would be a cheaper option at #1 center for a couple of years. Since the lockout, he’s been a point per game player. Tkachuk is 37. I know. But he would give the Leafs a veteran presence up front and will go to the front of the net, which is something we desperately need.
It would probably cost a prospect, pick, and and least one roster player from our current top 6. But it’s far more feasible than going after Lecavalier or Richards or someone else with a massive contract.
by birky on Nov 4, 2009 2:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
a prospect, pick and roster player for either McDonald or Tkachuk is way too much.
McDonald has good chemistry with Kariya, and Tkachuk is a mentor for their young players. Neither guy is going anywhere this season, I don’t think.
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by Karina on Nov 4, 2009 2:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
McDonald had his best seasons playing with Selanne, not with Kariya.
by birky on Nov 4, 2009 2:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
but he’s played well with Kariya too.
When both are in the line up at the same time, which is rare.
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by Karina on Nov 4, 2009 2:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Tkachuk
do not want
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 4, 2009 2:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
YES
THERE IS THE ANSWER TO OUR PRAYERS! KEITH TKACHUK!!
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by leafer1984 on Nov 4, 2009 2:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How about Doug Weight? Hey I heard about this one guy, Chelios I think his name is, is toiling away in the AHL, he could help right?
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by leafer1984 on Nov 4, 2009 2:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Once Claude Lemieux is done with Battle of the Blades I think he might be on the lookout for something…
Heck, that whole show is like a free scouting video!
by Kenjamin on Nov 4, 2009 2:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Ken Daneyko will wanna play too
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by leafer1984 on Nov 4, 2009 2:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i never knew he could skate so well!
frankly im surprised he doesnt turtle every time his partner gets close
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 4, 2009 2:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If we are going for ancient vet’ran presence, Shanny is still available
also, do not want
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 4, 2009 2:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No more goddamn picks going out the door for anything, thank you very much.
Do not want is right.
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by kidkawartha on Nov 4, 2009 2:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
well
he’s a UFA, so he’d be free.
But still do not want.
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by Karina on Nov 4, 2009 2:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I know, Karina, was just making sure I typed that out. :)
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by kidkawartha on Nov 4, 2009 2:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ahh
well good, it’s a good point.
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by Karina on Nov 4, 2009 2:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There’s a thank you reply in the Philthy Phil post, btw.
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by kidkawartha on Nov 4, 2009 2:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hahaha
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by Karina on Nov 4, 2009 2:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m sorry. I wasn’t aware that I wrote Tkachuk would be the savior of the Leafs.
by birky on Nov 4, 2009 2:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I still like you, birky. The idea is to smile when your friends are messing with you. ;)
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by kidkawartha on Nov 4, 2009 2:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You say something like trade for Tkachuk, you are gonna get some backlash
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by leafer1984 on Nov 4, 2009 2:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
why? he’s only making 2 million and is a UFA at the end of the year. Maybe he could teach a few of our guys how to play down low.
by birky on Nov 4, 2009 2:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fine, for a bag of pucks, sure trade him. Anything more, and forget it
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by leafer1984 on Nov 4, 2009 2:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Tkachuk??
We just got rid of Wellwood, we don’t need another player with love handles.
by Theodles on Nov 4, 2009 2:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, they were love sidewalks that spilled over into a city park.
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by kidkawartha on Nov 4, 2009 2:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
love urban sprawl
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 4, 2009 2:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Young children could play hopscotch on his lower back.
by Kenjamin on Nov 4, 2009 2:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Young children could playhopscotchsoccer on his lower back.
Fixed.
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by kidkawartha on Nov 4, 2009 2:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Chivas USA MLS team announced Wednesday they are building a state of the art $18 million practice facility on Keith Tkachuk’s lower back.
Australians have discovered a species of perhistoric fish previously believed to have become extinct 35 million years ago living in the folds of Keith Tkachuk’s stomach.
I could go on.
by pevans on Nov 4, 2009 2:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Tkachuk would be perfect. Than Canucks fans could counter the Wellwood jokes with Tkachuck is so fat AND so old jokes.
Of late, MacDonald has made Colaiacovo look like an NHL iron man.
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by mf37 on Nov 4, 2009 2:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Which is a shame because MacDonald is a great little player.
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by PPP on Nov 4, 2009 2:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
MacDonald is surprisingly old. He’ll be 33 this summer. Those injuries are going to take their toll.
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by mf37 on Nov 4, 2009 2:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
what?!?!
Wow. Where did the time go. I thought he was 28/29.
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by PPP on Nov 4, 2009 2:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Born in ’77.
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by mf37 on Nov 4, 2009 2:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oops.. Strathroy actually.
BOOOOOOOOORN IN C-A-N-A-D-A.
Btwm can Pepsi just STOP with the stupid “Make up a cheer to ram down some people’s throats” campaign?!!
by Kenjamin on Nov 4, 2009 2:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
holy crap
he’s a geezer.
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by blurr1974 on Nov 4, 2009 2:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice to meet ya, geezer. :)
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by kidkawartha on Nov 4, 2009 2:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oi!
I was born in 77. It’s not that old!
by Leaf in Habland on Nov 4, 2009 7:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
1974
junior
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by blurr1974 on Nov 5, 2009 2:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
1973!
Whippersnappers! :P
(also, I love that word for some bizarre reason)
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by stucky on Nov 5, 2009 10:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
1966
All of you. Get off my lawn.
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by jrwendelman on Nov 5, 2009 10:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nylander would be a perfect fit for Kessel!
That´s a guy that can hold on to the puck ´til the perfect moment arrives – he was great with Jagirl in NY.
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by SweKool on Nov 4, 2009 2:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'm just going to sidestep the Wallin debate
Since how our 4th line players perform really is not as much of a problem as the fact that the Leafs have three 2nd lines, one of which just happens to have a 1st line winger.
I say stay the course and either grab a solid UFA or give Kadri/Bozak time to develop to the No. 1/2 centres in time for next season.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 4, 2009 2:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Thank You
For bringing us back to the point of this exercise.
Your solution is very reasonable.
Get that top-line guy on July 1.
Let other guys develop on both second lines.
Whoever is playing the best gets to play wing for Kessel and UNNAMED UFA CENTER. I’m hoping it’s a revolving door involving Stempniak, Tlusty and Stalberg.
This is for next year remember. Rickard Wallin will not play on Kessel’s opposite wing.
by Kenjamin on Nov 4, 2009 2:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to see Stempniak get a shot on Kessel's line this season.
Call me crazy, but he’s been playing pretty well. I think he’s earned a shot at it.
Plus, he can’t do much worse on that line than Stajan.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 4, 2009 2:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There’s nothing crazy about wanting to see Stempniak play with Kessel. If only they had a good guy to play in the middle…
Based on last night a line of Stempniak, Grabov-likes-to-dive-ski, and Kessel might be fun to watch.
by Kenjamin on Nov 4, 2009 2:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That is the problem
We need a center that doesn’t fall over when the puck floats by him like Stajan does…is it me or does he have tiny feet, part explain why he falls so much.
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by BlueBuds on Nov 4, 2009 2:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
not sure how the 4th line could be seen as an issue, when not even our 1st or 2nd line can score…
totally agree
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by blurr1974 on Nov 4, 2009 2:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
this is all my fault…
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Nov 4, 2009 3:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Toskala and Stajan for Raycroft and a 3rd
by laser358 on Nov 4, 2009 2:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
You want Raycroft back?
On the basis of 2 or 3 starts?
Have you not learned anything from his 3 abysmal years here?
by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Nov 4, 2009 2:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's pretty much
trading Stajan for a 3rd, he’s worth more then a 3rd
by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Nov 4, 2009 2:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ew god no
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 4, 2009 2:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
GET OUT!! GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE RIGHT NOW!!!
/nah you can stay.
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by SkinnyFish on Nov 4, 2009 2:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
To get back to the question at hand
1. To a certain degree, the Leafs need to stay the course and continue to add prospects where they can (NCAA, shed pending UFAs for picks).
If Kadri makes the NHL next year, he should get soft minutes and loads of PP time to develop. Once Bozak is healthy again, he should get a shot (or two) with the Leafs to see how he’s developing. I think the Leafs should give all the kids a cup of coffee this year to see how they look.
2. The list of UFA Centres is about three names long: Marleau, Savard and Jokinen (unfortunately, Peverley re-upped in Atlanta. I was hoping he’d continue to fly under the radar and be a UFA this summer).
Savard has a track record with Kessel but will cost Kessel-like money ($6M+) and is 32 years old (33 come July). Given the Leafs are two, if not three years away from really competing, I don’t know if he’s the optimal guy in terms of $$$ and term.
Jokinen isn’t worth the contract he’ll land.
Marleau is intriguing, but I wonder if he’d sign with a Burke/Wilson combo and be willing to play in that environment under a microscope.
3. I don’t know enough about Nylander, but given he can’t crack the Caps line-up and has been on the outs with Bouderau for a long time I wonder about his talent/character/commitment. If he goes elsewhere, I’m sure he’ll do fine, but if the Leafs land him he’ll be Kristich 2.0
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by mf37 on Nov 4, 2009 2:28 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I love the cups of coffee idea. IMO they should open a Starbucks in the 100 level just to facilitate the need.
*note to self: contact MLSE about franchising opportunities.
by Kenjamin on Nov 4, 2009 2:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Tlusty call up recently is what irks me. Two games is BS.
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by blurr1974 on Nov 4, 2009 2:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it was probably more of a wake up call for stalberg than anything, and a stop gap for kessel
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 4, 2009 2:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Leafs have so few waiver exempt players that Tlusty was the odd man out.
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by mf37 on Nov 4, 2009 2:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Right. The Leafs don’t want to lose a Kulemin or Ponikarovsky for nothing, but they seem unwilling to move Blake. There isn’t a ton of wiggle room right now.
There’s going to be wiggle room when Burke thinks the kids are ready though.
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by Chemmy on Nov 4, 2009 2:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’d love to get an insiders unvarnished opinion on why more teams don’t bury bad contracts. Is it the PR, the bankers, the agents – what’s the biggest reason guys like Blake continue to play?
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by mf37 on Nov 4, 2009 2:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Blake is infuriatingly consistent in his ability to be inconsistent.
He’d be a fantastic 3rd liner with Wallin, using speed and smarts to forecheck a team and draw penalties. just not a $4M….
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by blurr1974 on Nov 4, 2009 2:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he looked really good, too.
Honestly, at this point, I wanna hang on to Hagman and Poni on the wings, everyone else can go (I know Stempniak has played well, but I don’t know if he’s a long-term kinda guy).
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by Karina on Nov 4, 2009 2:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
Grabbo stays! :)
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by kidkawartha on Nov 4, 2009 2:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I only
mean wingers. Grabbo stays…
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by Karina on Nov 4, 2009 2:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Leaf who are pending UFAs
Stempniak
Ponikarovsky
Stajan
Primeau
Mayers
Wallin
Van Ryn
Exelby
Frogren
Toskala
MacDonald
I’ve also read conflicting info about Hanson. Can’t believe he’d be a UFA already, but who knows…
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by mf37 on Nov 4, 2009 2:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think
Hanson is, since he played those games with us the end of last season and was only on a 2 year deal… not sure if that would make him a UFA, or just an RFA though
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by Karina on Nov 4, 2009 2:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
probably an RFA. have to meet specific qualifiers without so much experience to be a UFA.
by birky on Nov 4, 2009 2:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Look down.
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by Chemmy on Nov 4, 2009 2:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Two year deal, burned a year in his eight game cup of coffee last year. But he should be an RFA.
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by Chemmy on Nov 4, 2009 2:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, Hanson is an RFA after this year.
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by SkinnyFish on Nov 4, 2009 2:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Almost had to kick you out of the “other Dutch people I like” group. Whew.
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by kidkawartha on Nov 4, 2009 2:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you’re only talking forwards though right?
cos kabby and schenn have to stay.
by gooner4ever on Nov 4, 2009 2:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hagman and poni
are our two most versatile, money-earning forwards, i’ll have you know.
So I hope Poni re-ups at a reasonable amount.
Based on this season, I’d take the ninja back at something around $2M. Based on last year, um…no….
by pevans on Nov 4, 2009 2:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I just think Ninja’s minutes could be used by a youngster. We’re stuck with blake, so he may just be the odd man out
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by Karina on Nov 4, 2009 2:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Pension Plan Nation, Japers Rink Rat here.
Concerning Nylander:
His conditioning stint in the AHL is up. He cannot go back to the AHL.
The cap info that someone mentioned above is correctamundo.
He has three choices now: rejoining the Caps, being loaned to the KHL, or being traded to another NHL team.
Personally, I think it’s a match made in heaven. And all of us at Japers want him gone. Not because he’s a bad player, but because he doesn’t fit the system in D.C.
Hope this helps a bit.
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by Steck It Out on Nov 4, 2009 2:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Wait, Nylander has a NMC right? That throws a monkey wrench in my “ditch him next summer” plan.
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by Chemmy on Nov 4, 2009 2:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
if he
has an NMC, how is he in the AHL?
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by Karina on Nov 4, 2009 2:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He agreed to a two week conditioning stint.
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by Chemmy on Nov 4, 2009 2:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
oh
then what’d they do with him last year?
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by Karina on Nov 4, 2009 2:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno actually. I think he was “hurt”.
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by Chemmy on Nov 4, 2009 2:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He was hurt, and besides, Leonsis needed company in the press box.
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by Steck It Out on Nov 4, 2009 2:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
interesting. What do you think the caps’ll be looking for in return?
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by Karina on Nov 4, 2009 2:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If they want more than his cap space they can keep him.
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by Chemmy on Nov 4, 2009 2:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
WSH trades Nylander to TOR for a conditional sixth round pick.
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by Chemmy on Nov 4, 2009 2:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hmm
what would the conditions be?
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by Karina on Nov 4, 2009 2:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he scores the cup winning goal
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 4, 2009 2:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I ’d buy that for a dollar.
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by kidkawartha on Nov 4, 2009 3:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Considering it’s more of a “get the cap space off the books” type of deal, I don’t think McPhee is looking for much in return.
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by Steck It Out on Nov 4, 2009 2:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Two hundred goal season, Art Ross, Conn Smythe and Hart win.
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by Chemmy on Nov 4, 2009 2:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
what would the conditions be?
When the Leafs play the caps, Washington has to spot the Leafs a three goal lead OR play the full 60 without a goalie.
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by mf37 on Nov 4, 2009 2:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hahahah, make sure Toskala’s in net and you’ve got a deal ;)
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by Steck It Out on Nov 4, 2009 2:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We prepaid on that one.
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by clrkaitken on Nov 4, 2009 8:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, team toughness is one issue, considering that we don’t really have an enforcer and Ovechkin got hurt (with Chimera/Boll getting at him).
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by Steck It Out on Nov 4, 2009 2:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Draft picks would be acceptable as well.
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by Steck It Out on Nov 4, 2009 2:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Caps really aren’t getting anything for Nylander. Their motivation to move him is cap space since he has an NMC and can’t be buried in the minors.
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by Chemmy on Nov 4, 2009 2:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Like I said, its more of a “get off the books” type of scenario.
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by Steck It Out on Nov 4, 2009 2:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Right, which is why I mentioned Toskala up above. Trade tumors. We can stash Toskala in the minors for this year and go about trying to win. You can play Nyls this year and use what he has to give you, then dump him next year if you want/need to.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Nov 4, 2009 3:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Do you have an in with George McPhee?
If so, please use it now. Kthx.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 4, 2009 3:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Right after I get myself a job…
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by Fehr and Balanced on Nov 4, 2009 3:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Where are we going to stash him when there are only two holes in HER and they’re currently occupied by Neuvy (possible goalie of future) and Bacashihua (who is tearing it up)?
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by Scott in Shaw on Nov 4, 2009 5:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I have no idea if we’re allowed to send him to South Carolina, but that’s a potential option (if a huge slap in the face). I also think that until he plays a game for Hershey he can be loaned to any AHL team so we don’t necessarily have to limit our options to Hershey. Cash is off to a hot start but I’m not really sold that he’ll be the guy in Hershey at any point this year. He’s going to be the back up regardless, and we still have Holtby looming so even if we move Cash to make a spot for Toskala it doesn’t leave us without a viable (read Non-Toskala) option should Neuvirth get injured or called up.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Nov 4, 2009 5:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
NHLers with a certain amount of seasons/games can’t go to the ECHL. It has to be an AHL club.
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by mf37 on Nov 4, 2009 5:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I figured that out. That just means they make Toskala the AHL back up and send the current back up to the ECHL.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Nov 4, 2009 8:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
HAHAHA
It took me a second to figure out that HER was Hershey!
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by PPP on Nov 4, 2009 10:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Running joke at Japers’.
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by Scott in Shaw on Nov 5, 2009 3:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
At the risk of getting banned…Toskala is not considered a tumor by the Leafs (I mean the organization, not the Barilkosphere). At worst he’s the back up now, but other than the under-arm shot on Saturday, he was much better. No chance he’s getting traded that low. Who’s looking for a goalie now anyway? Detroit, Vancouver. If he manages to show he’s a competent back up, he might get moved at the deadline, but no sooner.
I’d take Nylander, but I doubt Burke would do it. It would show a lack of loyalty, and it seems he is more loyal than he let on (re: competition for jobs, etc).
by Leaf in Habland on Nov 4, 2009 7:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. Toskala isn’t a tumour, he’s more like choroicb.o.
Just a nauseauting stench that never goes away.
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by clrkaitken on Nov 4, 2009 8:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
A 4 million dollar back up? I think there are still decent backup options available that would be much cheaper. I’m not sure who wants a goalie they can’t really trust for that much money.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Nov 4, 2009 8:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nylander’s NMC expires June 30, 2010.
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by J.P. on Nov 4, 2009 2:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Which is why I can’t see the Capitals putting him on re-entry waivers. I think they’d rather have the situation they have now and be done with it next summer than drag it out past that.
by David M. Getz on Nov 4, 2009 2:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
so his cap hit is $4.875 this year, how much salary can you take back?
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by Karina on Nov 4, 2009 2:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
WSH can’t take back salary otherwise this deal makes no sense. If they wanted bad salary they have Nylander.
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by Chemmy on Nov 4, 2009 2:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
darn
we just have too many bodies.
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by Karina on Nov 4, 2009 2:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Trade Stajan for a 2nd before people forget about his season last year.
Bring in Nylander at half price or do something like Nylander + 2nd for a 5th.
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by Chemmy on Nov 4, 2009 3:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
are we that close to the cap now that we need Nylander at half price?
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by Karina on Nov 4, 2009 3:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nope.
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by Chemmy on Nov 4, 2009 3:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah that’s a reasonable move. Trade him to Colorado. I kept hearing all summer they were hot for him, though maybe not anymore now that they are a first place team…
by Leaf in Habland on Nov 4, 2009 7:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree completely with this. They still have a bunch of other guys on “bridge” contracts and the real fun begins when Alzner and Carlson come up. That’s when GMGM is going to want that cap space. He won’t take on dead space next year just to open up some space this year.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Nov 4, 2009 3:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So what do you do with him next summer?
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by Chemmy on Nov 4, 2009 2:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Try to trade him for a bag of rocks. If not, stash him in Hershey.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Nov 4, 2009 3:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
As per mf37 in here:
Ted Leonsis was surprisingly transparent at the trade deadline last year in saying many teams bankers (bankers!) won’t permit clubs to bury massive salaries in the minors.
I don’t think you have that option.
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by Chemmy on Nov 4, 2009 3:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t remember hearing anything about Ted saying that. I know he doesn’t love the idea of paying guys not to play but he’s been pretty consistently willing to spend money to make the team better. If GMGM breaks it down like this I think Ted could agree.
GMGM: Ted, I’ve got an option for you. Toskala for Nyls.
Ted: What do we do with Toskala?
GMGM: Stash him in the minors.
Ted: But-
GMGM: You’re already paying more money to Nyls to not play at all. Toskala is off the books after this season, Nyls isn’t. We’re already looking at stashing Nyls in Hershey next year as is. Let’s get the stashing out of the way now, free up that cap space, and save ourselves the trouble of doing it next year.
Ted: That’s a pretty solid idea.
GMGM: I heard it from this guy on a Caps blog. I’m gonna get him a job.
With all respect to mf37, I think that concern is misguided or ill-founded.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Nov 4, 2009 3:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s not about convincing Ted or GMGM. It’s about convincing the bankers behind the scenes who can veto deals. This is big business.
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by Chemmy on Nov 4, 2009 3:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It is big business, but I’m still not convinced the bankers are running things like that. If that’s the case you’d never have guys stashed, yet it happens, and with much poorer teams (NJD stashed Mogilny IIRC). Ted has a ton of his own money, and he’s been willing to dip into it for the Caps. I really don’t see any basis for the assertion that bankers are making any kind of decision for him. But again, if there’s a link I’ll be happy to check it out.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Nov 4, 2009 3:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
With all respect to mf37, I think that concern is misguided or ill-founded.
He’s not saying that it’s his concern though just a comment that Leonsis himself made.
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by PPP on Nov 4, 2009 3:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If you’ve got a link I’d love to see it. I’m pretty obsessive about following the Caps and that sounded like news to me. By all appearances it looks like the Caps are ready to stash Nyls in the minors next year, so I don’t see much difference in doing it this year compared to next year.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Nov 4, 2009 3:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry
No link. I didn’t hear it.
Of course, it could have been on the radio here too.
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by PPP on Nov 4, 2009 3:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
True, you guys actually get real hockey coverage. The staple of my Caps following is Japers’ Rink (that’s at least as strong an endorsement of how well they do as it is a condemnation of the MSM coverage of hockey here). But I don’t remember them picking up on that either, and they are usually pretty good at catching the Caps on Canadian radio.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Nov 4, 2009 4:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry if I wasn’t clear, it was Leonsis himself who said bankers won’t let teams bury that sort of asset in the minors.
Many teams are leveraged by owners to access equity (think of it as a home equity loan. If the Caps are valued at $250M as Leonsis claims, he’d be foolish not to use that valuation to access cheap capital).
Here’s the link
And here’s the money quote:
Teams aren’t looking to add to payroll. They want to shed payroll. Many teams that had high-priced veteran players were looking to exchange those contracts for younger players with lower-priced contracts. And banks won’t allow teams to increase their losses by tucking older players in the minors or doing magical contract buyouts.
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by mf37 on Nov 4, 2009 4:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
I don’t read that as an absolute bar to stashing guys in the minors, but I do agree it makes it seem much less likely that Ted will want to do that. I think there is probably a bigger degree of variation from team to team as far as what the “bankers” will let them do. Poorer teams and teams with ownership issues will obviously have a harder time increasing pay roll, but the Caps don’t fit that model. As I said, Ted has a ton of personal wealth and his money comes from telecom so he’s still doing alright. He’s already shelled out personal money for the Caps. I don’t think he’d want to make a habit of stashing guys in the minors, but considering it looks like the clear plan for next year is to stash Nyls if he can’t be moved before that, I maintain that it’s a viable option to do this year. But I don’t have access to his books, so I don’t really know.
It’s a very strong point, I’m not trying to minimize or dismiss it, thanks for bringing it to my attention. It may very well be that our observations and conclusions (I’m not alone in thinking Nyls would be stashed in Hershey next year) are simply incorrect.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Nov 4, 2009 4:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
The way I read it, option A is get Nylander to Europe, B is move him to another NHL club and C is try to bury him in the minors. Which raises three important questions:
A) Will Nylander go/ Will his wife let him? (cough*Edmonton*cough)
B) What team can/will eat $5.5M?
C) Will Leonsis’ bankers green light a year in Hershey?
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by mf37 on Nov 4, 2009 4:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Toronto has the cap space, the pockets, and the desire to have a good center.
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by Chemmy on Nov 4, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Toronto has the cap space, the pockets, and the desire to have a good center.
$5.5M question: how good of a centre is Nylander?
I haven’t seen enough of him to comment.
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by mf37 on Nov 4, 2009 4:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And his cap hit is less than 5.5, if that’s a concern. Not sure where the Leafs are with respect to the cap.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Nov 4, 2009 4:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
12 e-z payments
Keep sellin’!
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by mf37 on Nov 4, 2009 4:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
this guy wants TOSKALA
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by Chemmy on Nov 4, 2009 4:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes... I want Toskala
Pay no attention to those motives behind the curtain. I promise Nyls is in the best shape of his career and poised for an amazing season!
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by Fehr and Balanced on Nov 4, 2009 4:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Our first line center is MATT STAJAN
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by Chemmy on Nov 4, 2009 4:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Its grabovski as far as im concerned
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 4, 2009 4:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Toskala wanted
I just hope this isn’t for some sort of freakshow The Hounds of Zaroff thing…
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by mf37 on Nov 4, 2009 4:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No, but that’s a good default plan. It’s a lot easier to deal with Toskala when you have 3 goalies better than him (at least) in the organization, two of which don’t have to clear waivers.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Nov 4, 2009 4:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I definitely agree on your priority list. C isn’t even an option this year because Nyls wouldn’t agree to being stashed in Hershey and GMGM wouldn’t lie to him to get him to accept waivers and then do that. The stashing issue really was going to be an issue for next year; it was just my day-dreaming on the Nyls for Toskala trade that made it any sort of issue now.
I have no idea how many teams can eat what salary. I know the Rags and Flyers have eaten some bad salaries the last couple years (was it two years in a row PHI hat Rathje and Hatcher sitting on their books doing nothing?) but both teams have more money than the Caps.
I have to think Nyls would accept going anywhere he could play hockey at this point. His family is still in Sweden so if his wife didn’t like the new destination she’d probably just stay there.
All in all, thanks for raining on my one ray of sunshine-hope of getting rid of Nyls.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Nov 4, 2009 4:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Black clouds and raining on dreams is what being a Leaf fan is all about.
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by mf37 on Nov 4, 2009 4:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I liked it better when it was Sens fans' dreams
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by Fehr and Balanced on Nov 4, 2009 4:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Us too
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by PPP on Nov 4, 2009 4:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
thanks!
do you think he would fit our system?
Not that I’m sure we have a system…
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by Karina on Nov 4, 2009 2:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Our system is “need a good passer to feed Kessel cheap”.
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by Chemmy on Nov 4, 2009 2:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Chemmy: Nylander has a NMC that he can waive if he wants to approve a trade.
Not exactly sure what system you guys run up in Leafland, but he did have a good year under Glen Hanlon, before we brought in Boudreau. Hanlon ran a more defensive minded system, and Nylander put up nice numbers then.
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by Steck It Out on Nov 4, 2009 2:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone can waive their own NMC. ;)
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by Chemmy on Nov 4, 2009 2:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
from Twitter
TarikElBashir: Caps must recall Michael Nylander 2day. Options: 1) he rejoins the team; 2) he gets loaned outside of NHL; 3) gets traded
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by Karina on Nov 4, 2009 3:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Right but he can rejoin the team in the press box.
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by Chemmy on Nov 4, 2009 3:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
are they getting cap relief with Ovechkin injured?
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by Karina on Nov 4, 2009 3:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nope
He’s not on LTIR.
If he does apparently he has to miss 10 games or 24 days.
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by PPP on Nov 4, 2009 3:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
then they can’t have much room for Nylander.
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by Karina on Nov 4, 2009 3:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nylander was already on the books when he went on the conditioning stint. The Caps are right up against the cap, but they don’t have to move anyone to “recall” Nyls to the press box.
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by Scott in Shaw on Nov 4, 2009 5:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
wait a second here
Didn’t someone (Archi maybe?) go to great pains to show that Kessel was not a factor of Savard?? And didn’t everyone agree and pat him on the back for a job well done (which it was) in showing that Kessel creates his own offence?? But now today, after one game, he needs Savard or a Savard equivalent?? Which is it gonna be guys??
I guess the 16 or 17 shots he took last night were also an indication no-one could get him the puck?
The problem last night is that all everyone thought of was getting him the puck and all he ever thought of was shooting the puck … through the first two periods he didn’t pass it once in the offensive zone. I didn’t see the third but it was probably more of the same. And any predictable offense is easy to stop.
Relax. Take a heart pill. Savour a bacon donut. Give the guy a few games to get used to linemates and them to him.
Sometimes the emotions about Kessel around here rollercoast like a tweenie-aged girl getting her first hormonal highs and lows about a Jonas brother.
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The issue is not getting him the puck
The issue is too find someone else who is on his level of talent and too play with him
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by leafer1984 on Nov 4, 2009 3:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What this guy said! We want someone who can play a first line centre for the sake of having someone who can play a first line centre…not because we don’t think Phil will suck without him :D
by Theodles on Nov 4, 2009 3:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
exactly, stajan, grabbo and mitchell just dont cut it. we need a bonifide top centreman big time
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 4, 2009 3:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Theodles
I understand you are new, but we do have names.
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by leafer1984 on Nov 4, 2009 3:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not that new! =D
And I’m bad with names =( I constantly call my friends by the wrong name.
Luckily…never done it with a gf =D
by Theodles on Nov 4, 2009 3:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and by done it…I mean called her by another name.
sigh
by Theodles on Nov 4, 2009 3:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
luckily for you, the site shows who posted what comment
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by leafer1984 on Nov 4, 2009 3:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
pfffft whatever
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by Chemmy on Nov 4, 2009 3:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Then I must resort to my backup argument.
I’m lazy :(
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Just buggin you
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by leafer1984 on Nov 4, 2009 3:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bah!
If it makes you feel better, I remember important names like:
PPP
Chemmy
Down Goes Brown
Archimedes (because he does the Stalberg “quotes”)
Furcifer (not so much important, but it means scoundrel, so it’s cool)
Karina (well…it’s a girls name…so it’s fairly unique around here ;) )
by Theodles on Nov 4, 2009 3:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i important
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by Chemmy on Nov 4, 2009 3:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
PPP and Chemmy’s names are obviously important because you should always know the names of people who can ban you ;)
by Theodles on Nov 4, 2009 3:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nah, not really.
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by leafer1984 on Nov 4, 2009 3:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i think i speak for WAC, Mb, Greener, mf37, ld and 1967ers when i say
i hate you.
you suck.
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I’d be frightened, but I know I won’t remember those names in a minute :(
by Theodles on Nov 4, 2009 4:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
its official
NO ONE remembers me
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 4, 2009 4:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
wow
yeah big ouch there
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by Karina on Nov 4, 2009 4:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i remember jared
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 4, 2009 4:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hes that guy from kitchener right?
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 4, 2009 4:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No, that’s Jarretfromlundun
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by mf37 on Nov 4, 2009 4:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he’s a jerk
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 4, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
sounds like you’re frum LUNDUN!
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Welcome!
Thanks for joining!
/has this already been done today?
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by SkinnyFish on Nov 4, 2009 4:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Which is weird because you might have been here the longest and might be the craziest
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by PPP on Nov 4, 2009 4:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
might?
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by Karina on Nov 4, 2009 4:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you left the first comment here (on the blogspot version)
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by PPP on Nov 4, 2009 4:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i dont think i commented more than twice on the blogspot version
weird, i know
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 4, 2009 4:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
WOOO GO ME!!!
In your FACE, Jared!
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by Karina on Nov 4, 2009 4:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
what is in my face, there are several things i dont mind having in that location, and several i do
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 4, 2009 4:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
my posting first
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by Karina on Nov 4, 2009 4:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
rowr
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 4, 2009 4:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
there is no might be about it
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 4, 2009 4:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Also
51264
and counting!
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by leafer1984 on Nov 4, 2009 4:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
your god damned right
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 4, 2009 4:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
just the names on the footer
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by blurr1974 on Nov 4, 2009 4:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Me neither.
I guess I’m enough of a n00b…but, still. Ouch.
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Until it’s too late, of course.
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by Archimedies on Nov 5, 2009 9:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
indeed
last night showed that there’s a HUGE talent gap between Kessel and the rest of our team.
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by Karina on Nov 4, 2009 3:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
HUGE!!!!!!!!!!1
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 4, 2009 3:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
indeed, Kessel = goals
Kessel + legit center = more goals
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 4, 2009 3:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
plus, the good centre will score his own goals
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 4, 2009 3:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Pre-Kessel
There were three second lines and a fourth.
Now, there’s three second lines, one of which just happens to have a first-line winger, and a fourth.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 4, 2009 3:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
c’mon, this team needs a serious talent upgrade. dont try and convince yourself that the guys that are currently playing on the roster are good enough. they arent.
If you think Kessel will put 20 pucks towards the net every game, think again.
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 4, 2009 3:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, Tampa is not a very tight checking team, against a team like vancouver or another defensive based team he might get 2 of those shots a game tops
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 4, 2009 3:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
exactly, plus good team are going to focus soley on kessel. they know we dont have much else
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 4, 2009 3:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
of course this team needs a serious talent upgrade. One peak at the standings the last few years could tell you that. Last night didn’t change that fact one way or the other.
But if you go by one game’s evidence you might as well say, based on a couple of nights ago when he scored two goals that the whole team needs an upgrade because no-one can play with Ponikarovsky. Earlier in the week you could have said the whole team needs an upgrade because no-one can play on par with Kaberle … who was on pace based on that day to score 410 points this year.
Kessel is unlikely to regularly see the kind of minutes he saw last night. He’s as unlikely to be so hopped up on adrenalin. He may just quietly settle in to score 30 goals with the linemates available.
And Nylander as an option is more than just silly, it’s pure and total over-reaction. You want to build a team around an old washed-up guy Washington won’t even dress ahead of Fehr.
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by Mike Pelyk's Hairdo on Nov 4, 2009 3:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No one wants to build around Nylander. He could help the team in the short term and not cost us anything.
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by Chemmy on Nov 4, 2009 3:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nylander “doesn’t fit into the Caps system” why? Because they want to play fast attack hockey. Nylander plays slow-it-down, puck possession, hit the player late with a good pass. He also is soft, can’t back-check and hasn’t had a good season recently.
Oddly enough, we had all those attributes in a training camp player. His name was Jason Allison.
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by Mike Pelyk's Hairdo on Nov 4, 2009 3:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nylander > Stajan. Period.
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by Chemmy on Nov 4, 2009 3:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hmmm
Allison>Stajan?
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by Karina on Nov 4, 2009 3:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No.
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by Chemmy on Nov 4, 2009 3:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
nobody's
talking about building a team around him. He’s a stop gap until our youth is ready. Why? Because our current stop gaps – like Stajan, Mitchell, etc – aren’t good enough to even be stop gaps.
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by Karina on Nov 4, 2009 3:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
:(
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by PPP on Nov 4, 2009 3:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I like Mitchell, but he needs some more time to develop up here, he can’t just be plopped in at #1.
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by Karina on Nov 4, 2009 3:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Cherry called Mitchell a gem on coaches corner on saturday, and i agree. You can just see that he has so much potential, I think that he will eventually cement himself as our 3rd line centre. A guy whith decent hands, skates well, can finish his checks and is defensivley responsible. Pretty much everything that i want wallin to be
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 4, 2009 4:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
With that type of endorsement I fully expect Mitchell to take a too many men on the ice penalty late in the third and cost the Leafs the game.
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by mf37 on Nov 4, 2009 4:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
lol
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 4, 2009 4:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sometimes the emotions about Kessel around here rollercoast like a tweenie-aged girl getting her first hormonal highs and lows about a Jonas brother.
More like people, despite having seen that Kessel can in fact create his own offence at what seems to be a good pace, would like to see more forwards of his skill level rather than counting on Kessel to create his own offence all of the time.
More good players is a good thing.
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by PPP on Nov 4, 2009 3:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
just because pittsburgh has crosby, doesnt mean they arent glad they also have malkin
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Hit refresh if you’re at work or whatever, I deleted the scantily clad woman pic.
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by Chemmy on Nov 4, 2009 3:25 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
they should attempt to pry Nathan Horton out of Florida…only player I think Florida would consider trading for would be Schenn…Horton is 24 and a proven powerforward with size.
the 2010/11lineup would be…
Stalberg Horton Kessel
Blake Kadri Graboovski
Hagman Bosak Kulemin
Orr Mitchell Christainson
Kaberle, Komisarek
Finger, Beuchemin
White, Gunersson
Gustovsson, Reimer
OUT: Ponikrosky, Stajan, Stempniak, Premieu, Toskala, Exelby, Mayers
by killerninetythree on Nov 4, 2009 3:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for joining, I don’t see the Leafs bringing in any top flight talent that isn’t Michael Nylander or a UFA.
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by Chemmy on Nov 4, 2009 3:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i also dont see the Horton for Schenn trade happening
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 4, 2009 3:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
not a chance. schenn isnt going anywhere anytime soon unless its a deal that everyone on this site wouldnt hesitate to make
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 4, 2009 3:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would rather have a 25 yr old 30 goal guy than Schenn if this team wants to build around Kessel. Stay at home reliable defencemen can be found on the Free agent market…most teams lock up 30 goal 25 yr olds.
by killerninetythree on Nov 4, 2009 3:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, but thats not what its about, Schenn is a 19 year old top 5 pick in his softmore year in the NHL. He has been hyped as the cornerstone of which this franchise will be built on.
Burke has stated that Schenn is as close to untouchable as you can get.
as good as horton is, i dont see Burke making that move unless there is a first also comming back
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 4, 2009 3:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Schenn could still become our scott stevens and giving up on that is not an option in my opinion, unless you are getting back a young player who will be a top 12 scorer who is a complete player
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 4, 2009 4:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Schenn isn’t going anywhere unless we get Horton, 2 picks and 2 prospects back, or I kill someone.
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by kidkawartha on Nov 4, 2009 3:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Welcome
Thanks for joining.
I think that the Leafs busted their trading futures for present and futures nut with Kessel.
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by PPP on Nov 4, 2009 3:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You said busted nut and Kessel.
*snicker
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Rec’d
A billion times
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by leafer1984 on Nov 4, 2009 3:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Horton has also been a failure at center. Thus he has been moved back to wing again. So the aquisition of Horton, although desirable for many reasons, doesn’t bring in Kessel a center.
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by Mike Pelyk's Hairdo on Nov 4, 2009 3:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
In the interim
I’d seriously consider Blake centering the first line with Stempniak on the wing.
Last night may be the only time I’ve ever witnessed Jason Blake attempt making a pass.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 4, 2009 3:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
yes
he was looking for Phil, I think he could be a good center.
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by Karina on Nov 4, 2009 3:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
at least its an exciting time in leafs history
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 4, 2009 3:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Listen to Grapes
Listen to Don Cherry….Blake at center!
Stalberg Blake Kessel
Would be the fastest line in the NHL
by killerninetythree on Nov 4, 2009 3:28 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
semin OV and backstrom is pretty fast
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 4, 2009 3:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No. Ovechkin is the only speed merchant in that group.
by cuqui on Nov 4, 2009 3:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
semin and backstrom arnt by any means slow, but they dont have rocket boots
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 4, 2009 3:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
people keep saying blake at center. why? sure he is fast and has shown the ability to be a decent disher in the past few games, but can he actually play the position? take a face off? anything like that?
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 4, 2009 3:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The dude doesn;t like to back check now, why would he at center?
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by leafer1984 on Nov 4, 2009 3:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he takes faceoffs now, and is pretty sucky at it…
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by Karina on Nov 4, 2009 3:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well there we go,
we are better off at moving kessel to center, he has played there and is 100 percent on draws for the leafs (he took one last night)
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 4, 2009 3:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
not 100%
he took at least two, and lost 1
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by Karina on Nov 4, 2009 3:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i kind of think grabbo would be better at wing
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 4, 2009 4:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he has been nails on the draw the past 3 games,
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 4, 2009 4:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Our new $27M pain in the ass is getting a new centreman.
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by PPP on Nov 4, 2009 3:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
OLD NEWS!
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by leafer1984 on Nov 4, 2009 3:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
EVERYONE GO VISIT MIRTLE’S ARTICLE
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by PPP on Nov 4, 2009 3:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
JUst Retweeted this via Jonas Siegel
Kessel moved to line with Mitchell and Blake
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by leafer1984 on Nov 4, 2009 12:14 PM EST reply 0 recs
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by leafer1984 on Nov 4, 2009 3:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If you were an IT Superman you’d have made that pop up on the paper I was reading 3 hours ago.
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by PPP on Nov 4, 2009 3:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you should read your own site
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by Karina on Nov 4, 2009 3:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
THIS
He doesn’t care about us anymore
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by leafer1984 on Nov 4, 2009 3:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Luvs u
It’s important to click through to Mirtle though
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by PPP on Nov 4, 2009 3:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I check Mirtle
multiple times a day.
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by Karina on Nov 4, 2009 3:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Woo hoo.
Unfortunately much of my production has been out sourced to another site.
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by James Mirtle on Nov 4, 2009 8:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Let me guess, PPP is ghost-writing for you?
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by kidkawartha on Nov 4, 2009 8:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I keep sending him articles but he doesn’t like my titles:
- ENJOY IT NOW ASSHOLES BECAUSE THE LEAFS SHALL RISE AGAIN
- BRIAN BURKE AND WHY YOU’RE NOT A MAN LEAFS HATERS
- DEAR ANTI-LEAFS: EAT MY SHORTS
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by PPP on Nov 4, 2009 10:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There’s just no accounting for bad judgement, I guess.
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by kidkawartha on Nov 4, 2009 11:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
aww PPP
I knew you still cared.
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by leafer1984 on Nov 4, 2009 3:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yes...
I did… and?
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by Karina on Nov 4, 2009 3:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
VISIT AGAIN
Hit refresh 1000X please.
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by PPP on Nov 4, 2009 3:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t get it.
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by Karina on Nov 4, 2009 3:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hits.
I dunno why tho
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by leafer1984 on Nov 4, 2009 3:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Tim Wharnsby, the Leafs beat writer, left for CBCSports.ca.
Maybe Mirtle can get the job and we’ll have a good writer covering the team that cares about what the fans want to read about.
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by PPP on Nov 4, 2009 3:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ahhh
you’re smart.
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by Karina on Nov 4, 2009 4:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Mirtle is a statistics junkie, too. So you know he researches his stories before posting them.
I’m pretty sure if you asked him what the scoring percentage was of players with yellow skate laces he would have that data.
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by Jo4nny on Nov 4, 2009 4:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
haha
if he didn’t have it, he’d find it.
Thing is… can blog hits really result in a promotion at a newspaper?
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by Karina on Nov 4, 2009 4:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
On the website?
Hits are hits no matter where they come from
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by PPP on Nov 4, 2009 4:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Mittenstringers owe their jobs to hits, although they prefer jabs.
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by Jo4nny on Nov 4, 2009 4:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps
We should email blast the globe saying Mirtle should be the beat writer
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by leafer1984 on Nov 4, 2009 4:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Good idea
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by PPP on Nov 4, 2009 4:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
DO NOT DO THIS
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by Chemmy on Nov 4, 2009 4:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
go on?
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by leafer1984 on Nov 4, 2009 4:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would but I’m too busy levelling up my city in Evony.
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by SkinnyFish on Nov 4, 2009 3:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
ooooh
way to support the sponsors!
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by Karina on Nov 4, 2009 3:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I also bought a month’s supply of Extend Pet (ya know the Dog and Cat Arthritis Pain Removal and Joint Lubricator) but when I opened the box it contained I found a bottle of Pupperoni flavored Cialis. I am confused.
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by SkinnyFish on Nov 4, 2009 3:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Take some and see what pops up.
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by kidkawartha on Nov 4, 2009 6:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I approve
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by PPP on Nov 4, 2009 3:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What the hell is… I mean uh yeah I’ve seen those ads too.
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by Chemmy on Nov 4, 2009 3:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
heh
Against the Lightning, Kessel became only the fifth player to record 10 or more shots in a game this season, joining Alex Ovechkin, Evgeni Malkin, Jeff Carter and Dustin Penner.
Jeff freaking Carter.
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by Karina on Nov 4, 2009 4:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Did the rest of them not score any goals too?
by Its Cold In Here on Nov 4, 2009 4:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the Leafs wait for Kadri or try Bozak.
What’s the rush?
Kessel is signed for 5 years, this team isn’t winning a cup this season. Burke and all of Leaf Nation should just be a little patient.
Stajan is a UFA after this season, Toronto if unhappy with him can trade him at deadline and promote Bozak to finish the season and get a good look at him there before settling on a UFA.
by The Muppet on Nov 4, 2009 4:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
i likey
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 4, 2009 4:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Everyone’s in this huge urge to buy a great center for this year, but… so what? We aren’t winning this year anyway, and this just creates headaches for how to bury the dude next year.
People are just jazzed like they got their first taste of real ice cream and suddenly can’t get enough.
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by Wan Ihite on Nov 4, 2009 8:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
heh… Bob McCowan is letting the nation know that Kessel is a bum because he took 19 shots and didnt score on any of them. He wants the guy that can score 1 goal on 2 shots. he is also not impressed by kessels speed because blake is also fast and blake sucks…… why does this guy still have a job?
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 4, 2009 4:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
it’s the sunglasses
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by Jo4nny on Nov 4, 2009 4:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
’cause you still listen to him?
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by Karina on Nov 4, 2009 4:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hahah good point. i just happen to leave the fan 590 on all day at work. i think its bad for me
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 4, 2009 4:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Watters show > McCown
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by leafer1984 on Nov 4, 2009 4:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
x1000
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 4, 2009 4:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i beat watters at sports trivia on air and won $1000 to Wegz…
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 4, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
SERIOUSLY??
Congrats man
I always wanted to do that. I used to listen and yell cuz some people are dumb
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by leafer1984 on Nov 4, 2009 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
oh i know. i listened everyday and some people would get like 1/5 and blow the easiest questions. I went 5/5 and was 1 of only 3 people who beat him.
watters went 4/5 and blew the question “Who is the Habs highest paid player this year?” it was andre markov, he said Hamrlik
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 4, 2009 4:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What used to suck
Is when people went 4/5 and tied him. I felt bad for those guys.
Ask PPP how he feels about Brady lol
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by leafer1984 on Nov 4, 2009 4:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Ask MF37 what he thinks about Brady :)
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by PPP on Nov 4, 2009 4:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ask chemmy what he thinks about brady!
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 4, 2009 4:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
what the hell happened with Brady?
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 4, 2009 4:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he’s ok for a lot of stuff but sometimes talking to him is like talking to an kid with ADD on crack.
Also, he contradicts himself a lot.
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by PPP on Nov 4, 2009 4:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i hear ya, he just starts rambling sometimes…. and all of his opinions are with 20/20 hindsight
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 4, 2009 4:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He is alright
He acts like just cuz he has a public voice, he is right and more important than everyone else.
Said that, I still listen to the Watters show on the drive home
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by leafer1984 on Nov 4, 2009 4:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i miss jeff marek, he was great with watters.
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 4, 2009 4:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Marek was awesome
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by leafer1984 on Nov 4, 2009 4:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
leafs lunch was badass when it was a 2 hour show starting at noon with marek and watters….
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 4, 2009 4:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I love Brady.
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by Chemmy on Nov 4, 2009 4:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
contrarian
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 4, 2009 4:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Tom Brady is fucking awesome as hell dude.
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by Chemmy on Nov 4, 2009 4:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
different Brady me thinks
but thanks for playing along
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 4, 2009 4:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
LAFF
Greg Brady.
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by PPP on Nov 4, 2009 4:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
heres a story, about a man named brady
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 4, 2009 4:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
MF37, whats the deal with Brady?
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 4, 2009 4:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We got into a dust-up over Schenn on Twitter and he told me to unfollow him, so I did.
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by mf37 on Nov 4, 2009 4:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
HAHAHAH
When was this?
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by leafer1984 on Nov 4, 2009 4:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
When the Leafs were playing the Habs.
He’s very down on Schenn. Thinks the Leafs shouldn’t have traded up (actually, as per the 20/20 comments, he said the Leafs should have moved the extra picks in order to draft Del Zotto).
Anyways, I made fun of his Schenn tweets, told him he was beating a dead horse and he said I shouldn’t follow him. Seemed like a fair trade, so I unfollowed…
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by mf37 on Nov 4, 2009 4:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
fair enough
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Nov 4, 2009 4:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That is a pure 20/20 thing to say. Who know Del Zotto would be this good
Resident Cook and IT Superman
Truculence FTW
by leafer1984 on Nov 4, 2009 4:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs