What is the Sound of Nobody Typing?

by blurr1974 on Dec 17, 2009 5:00 AM EST in From The Branches

Between taxing games of beer-pong and co-ed pillow fights, we here at PPP Amalgamated Heavy Industries and Corner Lemonade Stands LLC put in long arduous hours of work. So you can imagine, much to our chagrin, that after the Leafs loss to the Coyotes there wasn't much of a reaction. In fact, very little was heard from throughout the Barilkospehere.

Not everyone took the night off, as the guys at MLHS recapped the game. Chalk up another moral victory. Yay...
Our very own mf37 was kind enough to make you all a list of the things to buy me for Christmas. Ain't he sweet?
Vintage Leafs has more pics awaiting your perusal.
Leaf & Lion got into the eggnog a little early. It happens to the best of us. Not me personally, but I've heard stories...
Vintage Leaf Memories is talking about the present, and hopeful for the future.
Lastly, I found a link to the film "Pond Hockey" on line. You can watch the film in it's entirety, and it's perfectly legit. Should you find yourself with nothing to do, pull up a comfy chair, put down the book, and give this a spin.

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One bad game, put it in the rear view and let’s go annihilate Buffalo tomorrow.

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by Chemmy on Dec 17, 2009 9:15 AM EST reply actions

yep, you win some you lose some

There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"

by Matt_Roberts on Dec 17, 2009 9:30 AM EST up reply actions

Yep, full credit to Phoenix, they came out flying

Life as a Toronto Sports Fan?... *sigh*... It is what it is...

by JohnnyG on Dec 17, 2009 10:04 AM EST up reply actions

I’ve been called a lot of things, but “kinf” is a new one.

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by mf37 on Dec 17, 2009 9:29 AM EST reply actions

For some strange reason, it makes me think of the little town north of Peterborough called “Kinmount”. No idea why.

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by kidkawartha on Dec 17, 2009 12:51 PM EST up reply actions

I’m glad the Coyotes 5th goal was mostly meaningless, but I’m still bothered by the inconsistencies of the video review system.

Can somebody please find evidence in the NHL rulebook that says a video review must be “conclusive” in order to “overturn” the on-ice referee’s decision? I’ve heard this again and again but I don’t see it mentioned anywhere in Rule 39. I think that’s an NFL rule that people have just assumed applies to every video review in every sport.

Once the Video Goal Judge has reviewed the video and confirmed that the goal is valid… Once the play has been reviewed and deemed a goal… The video review process shall be permitted to assist the referees in determining the legitimacy of all potential goals… When a play has been referred to the Video Goal Judge, his decision shall be final…

I don’t see the word “conclusive” or “overturn” anywhere. Once it’s been reviewed, it’s up the video judge’s opinion, and it’s his decision, and that’s all.

At least it wasn’t as bad as this…

by general borschevsky on Dec 17, 2009 9:46 AM EST reply actions

that brad may goal was ridiculous

To me, it’s the top-level silence that just pisses me off in all these incidences.

I’m not even referring to the 5th goal last night, which I’ll concede was at least debatable. But that Brad May goal? Come on. How does a league have that happen on a broadcast, and not a SINGLE statement come out to the effect of. “yeah, we screwed that one up. But we cant change it now. sorry”

Cripes sakes, next to the IOC, FIFA might be the most corrupt sports body in the world and even THEY admitted an error in the handling of the Henry handball

by pevans on Dec 17, 2009 9:52 AM EST up reply actions

re: White's own goal

there again, i dont see why the dude on video review can’t send his rationale to the league, and we get a statement from them the next day saying “the goal stood because after video review, the goal judge determined taht the puck crossed the goal line” or “there was not enough evidence to tell conclusively to overrule the on-ice call, so in those cases, the referee’s call stands”

I really hate whining about reffing in a game where the Leafs clearly didn’t deserve the W. But there definitely seems to be just terrible officiating this season. I get that there will always be a certain amount of human judgment in nuanced things like what’s a penalty and what isn’t, but with all the technology we have, how do we still find ourselves not being clear about questions like “did the puck cross the goal line”?

by pevans on Dec 17, 2009 9:56 AM EST up reply actions

Well that’s the rub isn’t it? How is it, with all of the technology that cannot conclusively tell the puck is over the line, how can the ref who is at ice level and only one viewing angle able to tell?

However, for the record I think it was a goal.

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by JohnnyG on Dec 17, 2009 10:07 AM EST up reply actions

i think it probably was too

but it just vexes that there’s been no attempt to say “the initial instinct was that it was a goal, and there’s no clear evidence to the contrary, so the instinct stands”

by pevans on Dec 17, 2009 1:04 PM EST up reply actions

The only issue with that is that nowhere in the rules does it say that if they can’t overrule it it goes back to the original call. If the video goal judge can’t figure out if it’s a goal then he should call it no-goal.

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by PPP on Dec 17, 2009 2:47 PM EST up reply actions

Agreed. The purpose of the video review is to determine if a goal is legitimate, not to determine whether the referee is right or wrong.

by general borschevsky on Dec 17, 2009 3:19 PM EST up reply actions

Remember that old crappy Fox glowing puck thing

they did that by putting a chip in the puck that told a computer where it was and how fast it was moving (right?)… So why not just wire it to a computer that knows where the goal line is, and have it trigger the goal lamp automatically. Just take ALL of the error out of it.

You can’t work a system with that for detecting tripping or hooking or whatever, but why NOT for goals? It’s not like the goal judge is a sacrosanct part of hockey lore.

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by Wan Ihite on Dec 17, 2009 6:56 PM EST up reply actions

That's been discussed.

Apparently the players found that the puck behaved differently if it was chipped – more prone to skipping and bouncing. The league wouldn’t allow it if this is true.

Plus, it wouldn’t really TAKE the error out so much as SHIFT error from human to mechanical – maybe there’s an overall improvement there, but I doubt that it’s much, or enough to sway traditionalists.

by Vent on Dec 17, 2009 7:31 PM EST up reply actions

the glowpuck was in 1994

I’m fairly confident that technology has advanced to such a degree that they could give this another go and make a “chipped” puck completely indistinguishable from an original.

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by blurr1974 on Dec 18, 2009 10:16 AM EST up reply actions

i think the glow puck could actually be brought back and it could work this time
IF there was an option to turn off the glow effect for individuals who didnt want to see it

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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 18, 2009 12:11 PM EST up reply actions

Do you think

If they brought back the glowpuck, they’d still need to chip it?

I can’t help but wonder if you could design motion-capture software that could track puck speed at least half as well as the glowpuck, without the chip.

But yeah, the RF-tag inside a puck thing might work alright this time, as Blurr said.

by Vent on Dec 18, 2009 12:55 PM EST up reply actions

i think a chip would be better, just for accuracy sake, also throw in the fact that you could probably put some sort of sensor in the net so you would KNOW when the puck crossed the line

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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 18, 2009 12:59 PM EST up reply actions