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Want it Fast & Hard (No, That's Not What She Said...)

Here's the skinny.  At this writing, I've literally just walked in the door from a weekend in San Francisco.  I've left my wife to unload the car and put the bubba to bed, as I've got important things to attend to.  No, not really...

Anyhoo, here's your links, quick and dirty, fast and hard.  To get you in the mood, here's a clip of Tommy Stinson singing today's theme song.

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Just so everyone knows, DGB did a lot of work on this video as well.

It’s a DGB/Bloge Salming video as opposed to just a Bloge Salming video.

by Bloge Salming on Dec 21, 2009 7:23 AM EST reply actions  

very awesome.

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by blindfolded tank driver on Dec 21, 2009 8:30 AM EST up reply actions  

super duper awesome

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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 21, 2009 9:41 AM EST up reply actions  

fantabulously awesome

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by stucky on Dec 21, 2009 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

It was great. You could tell that DGB contributed with Komisarek’s appearance.

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by PPP on Dec 21, 2009 9:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes, these videos are collaborations. Bloge and I both work on them and they should be credited that way.

For example, Bloge finds the artwork, creates the characters, does the voices, writes material, does all the production work, renders the final product, and uploads it to youtube.

I send him notes like “Hey, say something about how Toskala sucks.”

So please, give us both credit for our important contributions.

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by Down Goes Brown on Dec 21, 2009 9:46 AM EST up reply actions  

So it’s really a DGB video?

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by PPP on Dec 21, 2009 10:28 AM EST up reply actions  

to be honnest, every time i see the DGB tag thrown on there I expect nothing, but a video that talks about how awesome wendel clark is while insulting Kyle Wellwoods beltline

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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 21, 2009 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

i guess ill just have to wait for the DVD special features

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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 21, 2009 10:51 AM EST up reply actions  

added

good stuff.

totally, emphatically, undoubtedly agree on #5, including the “*”

I have nothing interesting to say.

by blurr1974 on Dec 21, 2009 10:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Huge error on the front page of the Star sports section today, suggesting Miller has a .996 SV% against the Leafs. It’s in the 3rd paragraph of the article but it’s also in big bold letters beside the article in the print edition and repeated in the sidebar on-line.

“Holy cow”, I thought to myself. “Miller has faced a thousand shots and only given up 4 goals? Wow.” The next paragraph mentions that Buffalo has out-shot the Leafs 289-246 yet Toronto has only scored 12 goals. So, about 4 goals for every 100 shots almost, which is really a .960 SV% – still pretty good, but nowhere near the eye-poppingly astonishing stat of .996.

by general borschevsky on Dec 21, 2009 8:21 AM EST reply actions  

You know, I’d be angrier, if it weren’t difficult for the London paper to get even the most basic statistics right. They usually get the scores wrong, but then, they usually also can’t even be bothered to print previous night’s scores the next day – even the ones that end at 9:30.

by JP Nikota on Dec 21, 2009 10:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Last night when I checked the tsn standings, the bruins only had a 1-game losing streak. I guess a shootout loss to Chicago is the same as a win?

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Dec 21, 2009 10:28 AM EST up reply actions  

and my dad wonders why i dont buy the paper

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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 21, 2009 10:28 AM EST up reply actions  

TONIGHT: MILLER

TOMORROW: THE WORLD

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by Chemmy on Dec 21, 2009 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

If you guys can knock Miller off the top of the stats chart somehow (ha!) then Tuukk Nuukkem will be staring back at me when I open up the NHL stats page.

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Dec 21, 2009 10:48 AM EST up reply actions  

I bet watching Rask was a real treat on Saturday.

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by Chemmy on Dec 21, 2009 10:51 AM EST up reply actions  

That first goal made we want to vomit.

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Dec 21, 2009 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

we call that the Toskala reaction

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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 21, 2009 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Of course when the rest of my row came back a few minutes later from the acc club (you guys were not kidding) I had to tell them how it was a crap goal.

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Dec 21, 2009 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Weird

It made me laugh. Then it reminded me of Friday night and I cried.

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by PPP on Dec 21, 2009 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Another difference: I was surprised by it.

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Dec 21, 2009 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

did you get a burkie dog?

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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 21, 2009 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

I did. It was disappointingly mediocre.

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Dec 21, 2009 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

LIES!

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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 21, 2009 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

I should have gone bacon-wrapped.

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Dec 21, 2009 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

well theres your problem right there

what did you get?

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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 21, 2009 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Wasabi mustard called to me. I was foolish.

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Dec 21, 2009 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Duh

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by PPP on Dec 21, 2009 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

I haven’t had a fuckin hot dog in like a year. I think I know what’s for dinner on Wednesday.

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by Chemmy on Dec 21, 2009 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Wiener Wednesday? (BCWW, TWSS)

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by Travis Hair on Dec 21, 2009 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Dummy

Why would you get the Kobe one when BACONWRAPPED is on the menu?

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by PPP on Dec 21, 2009 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Kobe is basically code for “buy this if you’re dumb and white”.

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by Chemmy on Dec 21, 2009 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

you need a camera with a flash

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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 21, 2009 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

I have one but I don’t like carrying it around.

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Dec 21, 2009 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

why are all the pics so dark?

I have nothing interesting to say.

by blurr1974 on Dec 21, 2009 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

iPhone camera

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Dec 21, 2009 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

:(

forgot, they don’t have a flash.

Does the 3GS have a flash? I don’t remember if they added it yet…

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by blurr1974 on Dec 21, 2009 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

I have a 3Gs, so…no. I guess I’ll just have to go back to Toronto and re-take them.

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Dec 21, 2009 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

COME BACK ANY TIME

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by Chemmy on Dec 21, 2009 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

hmmmmm

Sat Apr 3, 2010 Bruins Maple Leafs
7:00 PM CBC, NHLN-US(HD), NESN

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Dec 21, 2009 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Hey if I visit the first weekend in april is everyone going to be conveniently away again?

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Dec 21, 2009 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

No one likes you, to be honest.

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by Chemmy on Dec 21, 2009 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Color me unsurprised.

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Dec 21, 2009 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

so….purple?

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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 21, 2009 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

ill be here! not that i matter….

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by Matt_Roberts on Dec 21, 2009 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

I might be going, gotta work on that in January.

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Dec 21, 2009 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

THAT GOES FOR YOU TOO

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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 21, 2009 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Busy with wedding shit this year. Not busy really but not a ton of vacation time. I’ll be back next season, I promise.

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by Chemmy on Dec 21, 2009 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

I wait with baited breath

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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 21, 2009 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

The difference is, it looked to me like Kabby’s shot was tipped by the defender’s stick—deflected downward just enough to get between arm and pad. Oh and the difference was also that Kabby’s shot was actually on net.

by The '67 Sound on Dec 21, 2009 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

the funny thing was, after that goal, kabby actually took more than a few shots, i can remember him winding up and firing it at least 5 times, 3 of those missed the net, but still

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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 21, 2009 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

best quote from kaberle after that goal was on the hockey news.. “sometimes a shot is better than a bad pass” (paraphrasing) this is a revelation for tomas

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by AkiSchennberg on Dec 21, 2009 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Naw

The shot went clean onto Rask but he tried to reach across his body to catch it and knocked it in behind himself.

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by PPP on Dec 21, 2009 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, he was trying to stear the puck to the corner, but used his trapper instead of his blocker

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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 21, 2009 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m not convinced, it was on a downward trajectory by the time it got to Rask. I know it wasn’t the hardest shot but it wasn’t a Eephus pitch.

by The '67 Sound on Dec 21, 2009 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

What I don't get about Miller

is that, the guy is maybe 150lbs soaking wet with all his gear on and holding about 20lbs in weights. For a guy his size, you’d think he’d have more holes to put a puck through.

The nice thing about it, is he reminds me of a certain tall, lanky Swedish goalie…

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by blurr1974 on Dec 21, 2009 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Whoops. Now I’m the one who goofed up… should read “the Leafs have out-shot Buffalo 289-246”. I think the rest of it’s accurate now. I’ll come back and check in an hour.

by general borschevsky on Dec 21, 2009 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

If we somehow win tonight, we’ll have kept the “Win 2, Lose 1” streak going for 15 games, which is unbelievable.

And with the Islanders on Wednesday, the Habs on Saturday and Pens on Sunday, I could see us going for a 6th round of win 2, lose 1.

It’s crazy that after that horrid start, everyone said the Leafs would need to play .600 + hockey the rest of the way to even think playoffs, and for a solid month now, they’ve done it.

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by clrkaitken on Dec 21, 2009 11:23 AM EST reply actions  

two steps forward one step back

is better than the opposite, right?

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by blurr1974 on Dec 21, 2009 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

I’ll take it.

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by clrkaitken on Dec 21, 2009 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

seriously, I’ll be tickled pink if the Leafs finish within shouting distance of the playoffs

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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 21, 2009 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

That’s all I ask. And maybe I’d also ask Santa Claus to drag the Habs out of the playoffs along with us, but we may very well not need his help with that.

by JP Nikota on Dec 21, 2009 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

the sens too, although if i had to choose one other team to latch on and drag to the depths it would be the habs

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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 21, 2009 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m greedy, I’m going to ask for both to be dragged down.

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by stucky on Dec 21, 2009 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Here's hoping Standings in April look like:

Leafs #8 (or higher) – (30th pick? I wish)
Montreal #9 (with 13th pick)
Ottawa #10 (with 12th pick)

That would be beautiful

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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 21, 2009 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Chemmy (i think it was Chemmy at least…) has convinced me that it doesn’t matter where the Leafs finish this year. Lottery spot or not, Kessel was worth the pick, as he’s a top 5 lottery pick himself.

Next year, it will be a different story though. Can’t imagine the team will start off as bad as they did this year, but if it’s another lottery pick, it gets a little harder to swallow. Still, that’s too far off in the distance to even think about right now.

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by blurr1974 on Dec 21, 2009 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Depends on the pick too, y’know? If we trade #1 and #1; holy shit. If we trade #5 and #15? Eh.

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by Chemmy on Dec 21, 2009 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

ya

it’s not a cut and dry issue.

this year, I’m even ok with trading a #1 overall for Kessel. Looking at his draft year, I still can’t believe Jordan Staal and Erik Johnson went before him.

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by blurr1974 on Dec 21, 2009 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

eh

Erik Johnson is only in his second season because of that weird injury last year… I think he’ll prove his draft position once he settles in.

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by Karina on Dec 21, 2009 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Plus one needs to remember

Phil was a bit of a malcontent going into the draft… and I’m still not 100% certain those issues won’t crop up again in a few years.

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by Steve Burtch on Dec 21, 2009 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

they certainly could

or it could be an issue of immaturity.

I think that, given what he’s shown this year, coupled with his cancer scare/comeback, to a certain extent, explains why he perceived his value as higher than what the Bruins perceived.

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by blurr1974 on Dec 21, 2009 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

OH yeah

forgot about the whole cancer thing… that might be a problem in the future too.. although having a team of doctors checking everything on your body constantly because you’re worth over $20 million a year to a team means it’s unlikely to be a huge problem.

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by Steve Burtch on Dec 21, 2009 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

it could

but my understanding was that it was caught early and had not spread through the lymph nodes.

in his case, there is a 99% survival rate.

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by blurr1974 on Dec 21, 2009 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah...

you never know with cancer though… if teaching grade 10 science has taught me anything… it’s that medicine and cancer are scary things not to be trifled with.

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by Steve Burtch on Dec 21, 2009 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

absolutely. i don’t know science (at all…) but cancer is scary. a 99% survival rate is not the most common statistic applied to cancer either, so, although i’m not trying to minimize it’s effects, that’s better than getting a single digit survival rate (as my mother in-law did last year. she’s been cancer free for over a year now though! But i digress…)

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by blurr1974 on Dec 21, 2009 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Survival rates

are a tad skewed by treatment options…

I also know a few cancer researchers, who have told me that the cocktails and treatment options they’re using these days are basically the spaghetti to the ceiling model of science… if it sticks and works GREAT… but they really have no idea what works and what doesn’t.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Dec 21, 2009 12:12 PM EST up reply actions  

We have literally no idea what to do about cancer. Your only shot to beat cancer is to catch it very very early.

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by Chemmy on Dec 21, 2009 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Or to have a cloned version of yourself waiting in a vat somewhere

for a brain transfusion…

oh wait… I’m not supposed to tell people about my vat… hmmm.

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- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Dec 21, 2009 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

we'll see...

a d-man going first overall better be pretty spectacular.

The other thing of note (for me) in Kessel’s draft year is Toews and Backstrom both going before him. No doubt they are both incredibly talented guys, but each has had a first overall draft pick playing on their wing. Kessel is a winger who does not have (not has ever had) a first overall drafted centerman for him.

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by blurr1974 on Dec 21, 2009 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah, while Marc Savard is no slouch, he isnt Pat Kane or Ovie by any stretch

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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 21, 2009 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Savard is playing like crap right now

he has like 1 shot in his past 5 games.

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by Steve Burtch on Dec 21, 2009 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

a year ago Chiarelli looked like a genius. If the Bruins keep sliding, not so much…

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by blurr1974 on Dec 21, 2009 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

their schedule

has a lot to do with it… that and Thomas being old and not so good this year.

Of course if they just transition to playing Rask 100% of the time, then they’ll be pretty damn good.

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by Steve Burtch on Dec 21, 2009 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I think its funny how some people think Lucic returning will solve their offensive woes. Lucic is good for 20-25 goals a year, but he wont single handedly turn them into an offensive juggernaught again

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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 21, 2009 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes but a lot of fans think the problem is “not enough heart,” and Lucic has that in spades.

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Dec 21, 2009 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

yah, Lucic will bring the heart, the grit and all sorts of intangibles.
but that doesnt guarentee pucks in the net, Wheeler et all are the ones that really need to step up

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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 21, 2009 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Sturm has disappointed me.

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by Karina on Dec 21, 2009 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the real problem is that Danny Paille doesn’t have 100 points already.

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Dec 21, 2009 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Bitz isnt the offensive dynamo i had him pegged as either

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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 21, 2009 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

But he’s a first-line winger!!!!!!

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Dec 21, 2009 12:12 PM EST up reply actions  

he must be awesome because he played in the playoffs instead of Kessel!

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by Karina on Dec 21, 2009 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually, he played instead of Wheeler. Off by one year. I think Jeremy Reich played for Kessel…

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Dec 21, 2009 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

who?

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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 21, 2009 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly.

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Dec 21, 2009 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm waiting to see

how long it is before Claude Julien gets’ fired.

HE has a bit of a history with all that.

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- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Dec 21, 2009 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

either a month or so before the playoffs or after another loss in them

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by blindfolded tank driver on Dec 21, 2009 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Next year the Bruins start in europe, so sometime next year I’d assume.

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Dec 21, 2009 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Well...

if we somehow trade for Spezza or Horton, or sign Marleau… those are some pretty primo draft picks that could centre for him.

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by Steve Burtch on Dec 21, 2009 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

sigh

Marleau….

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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 21, 2009 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

yes

any one of those three with Kessel would make sweet, sweet music.

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by blurr1974 on Dec 21, 2009 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

I really do wish

we had dealt somehow to get Horton before this season…

now he’s going and having a career year, and he’ll cost an arm and a leg… and my first born child.

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by Steve Burtch on Dec 21, 2009 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Take the Deal!

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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Dec 21, 2009 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

the ultimate would be to sign a legit number one center and have Kadri develope into a number one worthy, then the leafs would (hopefully) have a pittsburg lite 1-2 punch

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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 21, 2009 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

not going to happen

the only way we sign Marleau is if it’s a long long term deal and the cap hit is brought down to a reasonable level.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

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by Steve Burtch on Dec 21, 2009 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

YOU WILL NOT KILL MY DREAMS WITH YOUR LOGIC!

anyways, the most likely way the leafs nab themselves a legit number one center is through trading, which means Kabby or Schenn go bye bye

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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 21, 2009 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

sigh

4 months ago the thought of trading schenn would have had me smashing my monitor, now it doesnt seem so far fetched depending on what the return is…. not that i want to give up on him or anything

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by Matt_Roberts on Dec 21, 2009 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

he's off

to a good start this year, he has a team leading 21 points

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by Karina on Dec 21, 2009 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

i've said it before

but my draft philosophy, if I was a GM, would be to draft scoring forwards first. Then defense. Then goalies, as they’re such as crapshoot.

Basically I roll the dice and take every single kid i see that has theoretical NHL-level offensive creativity and hope a few pan out.

by pevans on Dec 21, 2009 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

haven’t looked in a few weeks but he was one of only two dmen to lead his team in points through the first bit of the season.. kabs was the other one

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by AkiSchennberg on Dec 21, 2009 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

still, the lower the pick, the less we have to hear about it, unless of course, that 2nd round pick turns out to be Zetterberg

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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 21, 2009 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Draft picks

that we traded away over a year before the draft do not bother me in the slightest

The Niedermayer deal? That’s an idiotic assertion because there’s ZERO guarantee the Leafs would have taken him.

What bothers me are things like the Rask trade… then we know what we had, and we can be SURE he’d be ours.

I also am bothered by the fact that we traded picks in order to pick Luke Schenn when we could have stayed right where we were and picked Tyler Myers and 2 other players in that draft, without helping the Islanders get better, or the Sabres draft Myers.

I am mainly irked by that because I was calling for the Leafs to draft Myers long before the actual draft.

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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Dec 21, 2009 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

The Leafs went out and selected

the guy that was better on the day of the draft, not the guy with OODLES of potential that could develop into a MORE offensively gifted Giant like Chara, Gill, or Pronger.

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- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Dec 21, 2009 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

indeed, its not the actual players picked that bug me, sure I think “gee woulda been nice to snag him, but thats the risk with draft picks” I am just really fucking sick of hearing the whole hindsight argument, and if one franchise player comes out of the Kessel deal, even if Kessel becomes a perennial 50 goal scorer we will never hear the end of it

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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 21, 2009 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

hold on

you’re not saying Hal Gill, are you? I’m gonna assume you mean Todd Gill, with whom I am competely unfamiliar

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by Karina on Dec 21, 2009 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m with you. The playoffs would be nice, but honestly seeing them get crushed in four games by the Caps or whoever isn’t something I’m salivating to see.

I just want to watch meaningful hockey in March and April. And not the “Oh, they’ve suddenly gone on a meaningless late-season win streak and now their just eight points back” kind.

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by Down Goes Brown on Dec 21, 2009 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

But what if they went on a run like they did with

Dougie, where somehow they avoid being crushed and actually make the conference finals, only to be high sticked in the face by Alex Ovechkin/Sidney Crosby… how weird would that shit be… and awesome.

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- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Dec 21, 2009 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

id rather see them get crushed in 4 games than be a bubble team. if anything to end the goddamn playoff drought

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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 21, 2009 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

It would feel so good just to get in the playoffs I almost wouldn’t care what happened after that.

Almost.

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by stucky on Dec 21, 2009 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

yah, the only thing that worries me about making the playoffs is the chance that the Leafs might miss the chance to deal some of their players at peak value, as they previously have with Tucker, McCabe etc etc

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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 21, 2009 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

hoepfully Burke is smarter than that, that’s what we pay him for

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by Karina on Dec 21, 2009 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

hahah we

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by Matt_Roberts on Dec 21, 2009 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I always say we when talking about the Leafs ;)

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by Karina on Dec 21, 2009 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Very true. It can be easy to get too caught up in short term gain at the expense of the long term picture.

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by stucky on Dec 21, 2009 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Caps are a second round flameout waiting to happen.

That team has not learned a damned thing from last year. Their defence is still terrible (Jeff Schultz’s Olympic candidacy notwithstanding), their goaltending is still not trustworthy, and most of their top forwards aren’t particularly strong defensively.

Toss in pending RFA contracts for Backstrom and Semin and I see the Caps window closing VERY quickly.

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by clrkaitken on Dec 21, 2009 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Was Semin the guy who wouldn’t either sign, or just cross the pond, until he was guaranteed NHL playing time? I know he’s not the only Russian to do so, but for some reason I thought their was a hiccup with him and the Caps after getting drafted.

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by blurr1974 on Dec 21, 2009 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

It was actually .690 hockey

but that was to make it to 92 points, and right now it looks like 82 will get them a playoff spot, so they don’t quite have to be that good.

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- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Dec 21, 2009 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

If they win tonight, they’ll have played .667 hockey for a full month, which is ridiculous.

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by clrkaitken on Dec 21, 2009 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Since Nov. 19th

they have earned 22 points from 17 games (34 possible points). That’s 0.647 hockey in the past month… which is already pretty ridiculous, but would still only rank them 4th in the East if they’d managed it for the entire year so far.

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- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Dec 21, 2009 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Buffalo has earned

20 of a possible 32 points since Nov. 20th, which means they’ve been playing .625 hockey for a month. The Leafs have been better than the Sabres… how’s that for weird.

Boston has 19 of a possible 28 points, or .679 hockey in the past month… they win! This game is almost fun.

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by Steve Burtch on Dec 21, 2009 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Including 4 straight losses. Dammit.

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Dec 21, 2009 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

All of these numbers just magnify the implications of that horrid start.

Why do we do this to ourselves?

by Kenjamin on Dec 21, 2009 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Chicago

has 23 points from a possible 30… they’re good. .766 hockey!

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- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Dec 21, 2009 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I find it very hard to root against Chicago.
Also, I love Huet’s mask.

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by Karina on Dec 21, 2009 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I just love a lot of things about Chicago…

I am getting Centre Ice for Christmas so I can watch them and other exciting teams more often. Quite pumped about it.

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by Kenjamin on Dec 21, 2009 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

they must fail though, i dont care if they make the finals every year, they cannot win!

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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 21, 2009 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Don’t worry, Hossa’s got a 12-year contract.

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Dec 21, 2009 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

and campbells signed till 2020 or something

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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 21, 2009 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

if not, the buyout will definitely take it there.

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by blindfolded tank driver on Dec 21, 2009 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Buying out

that contract wouldn’t really solve their problems.

He’d still count for a lot against the cap, and they’d get nothing out of the transaction aside from about oh… 2 mill in savings a year? Considering the type of player they could get with that 2 mill, I think keeping Campbell and trading another player makes sense.

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- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Dec 21, 2009 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

the only roster player that i can see them giving up (abet grudgingly) that I want the leafs to persue is Versteeg
I wouldnt mind Byfuglian, but I think he is way over paid and over rated

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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 21, 2009 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Versteeg is very much liked

by the locals.

I think we’re more likely to go after the likes of Sharp or Bolland? Brouwer would be nice also.

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- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Dec 21, 2009 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Sharp would be nice too, but i see them holding onto him for some veteran presence up front
Bolland wouldnt be bad either, he has been injured too so could probably be got for cheaper than market

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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 21, 2009 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Bolland could work. Young, probably cheap to acquire. Nice slot into a third line role.

per HockeysFutures:

Talent Analysis

Bolland has above average speed and possesses a heavy shot. He drives to the net well and shows no fear in doing it. Loves to finish his checks and can deliver thundering hits despite his size, as he plays a gritty game. Bolland also uses his quickness and good positioning to take away space, which makes him an effective penalty killer.
Future

Bolland plays a Kevin Dineen type of game. His physical play and solid two-way game make him an ideal checking forward.

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by blurr1974 on Dec 21, 2009 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

isnt bolland a center though?
the leafs have more than a few 2-3rd line centers, though it would make sense if they trade or let stajan walk

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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 21, 2009 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

he is a center

and he’s got a lot of potential. he could be a 2nd liner, but his game seems more geared to a third line role.

If Grabovski is traded at the deadline, or Stajan is let to walk, having another young, early 20s centerman competing for ice time with Bozak and/or Stajan/Grabovski, would be a good thing.

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by blurr1974 on Dec 21, 2009 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

He makes $3.375MM through 2014. Pass.

by The '67 Sound on Dec 21, 2009 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Who doesn’t make $3M + in Chicago? Holy shit…

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by clrkaitken on Dec 21, 2009 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, what a cluster fuck

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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 21, 2009 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

still stunned that it took so long for Dale Tallon to get fired.

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by Karina on Dec 21, 2009 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

the RFA deals

that he signed to Versteeg and Barker at the end of last year were actually right about where they belonged… and yet THEY are what he got nailed in the press for.

He really deserved to be tarred and feathered for the Byfuglien and Bolland deals before that.

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- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Dec 21, 2009 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

and Sopel.

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by Karina on Dec 21, 2009 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

And Campbell

and Hossa..

erm

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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Dec 21, 2009 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I still don’t understand their reasoning on Campbell. They needed to make a big splash? Why? The Chicago market had survived some of the worst ownership ever seen in the NHL, and they were finally turning the corner – why overpay like that?

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by Karina on Dec 21, 2009 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Tallon and McDonough apparently didn’t want to risk losing momentum at the box office so they felt they needed to make a big splash.

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by PPP on Dec 22, 2009 9:08 AM EST up reply actions  

well the versteeg and barker deals werent bad contracts, it was how and why they were signed that is the big deal

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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 21, 2009 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

wouldnt they have saved almost a mil on each guy if the whole mess never happened?

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by Matt_Roberts on Dec 21, 2009 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I think

More than a mill each.

If memory serves (and it may not), they were all slated to get between 1-1.5m. Instead, they’re sitting above 3m.

That isn’t their ONLY cap problem… but it sure didn’t help.

I’m so intrigued to see how they get out of this mess.

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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 21, 2009 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Aren’t they looking to dump guys like Sopel

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by blindfolded tank driver on Dec 21, 2009 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

yes of course they are

but nobody in their right mind wants Sopel…

that’s like the Leafs trying to dump Blake…

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- Sir Winston Churchill

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by Steve Burtch on Dec 21, 2009 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

minus

the ability to score…

so yeah Sopel is even less likely to move.

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- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Dec 21, 2009 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

indeed, GMs would want something shiny to come back with him, thats why he hasnt been moved with only a 3rd or 4th tacked on

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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 21, 2009 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, but somehow defensemen with experience seem to get decent pull at the deadline, but his contract is an anchor.

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by blindfolded tank driver on Dec 21, 2009 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

i remember the year

when Brendan freaking Witt was the veteran pickup everyone wanted at the deadline. Wasn’t too long ago.

And Greg DeVries before him.

by pevans on Dec 21, 2009 1:01 PM EST up reply actions  

but his deal is expiring

i think that’s the point. It’s take that contract off their hands to make their cap mess work on paper, and get a crappy draft pick for your troubles. Sopel’s UFA July 1st.

by pevans on Dec 21, 2009 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought he had one more year after this one, which is the problem.

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by Karina on Dec 21, 2009 1:01 PM EST up reply actions  

ding ding ding

He indeed does.

Or else he wouldn’t have even been talked about as a tradable item in that whole “tagging room” business

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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 21, 2009 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I actually have no problem rooting against

Chicago or Philadelphia… because their management are idiots that have created huge problems for them if they don’t win THIS season. If they don’t win cups in the next year or so, they’re basically completely F*CKed.

Which will make the landscape of the rest of the NHL very interesting.

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- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Dec 21, 2009 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Chicago and Philadelphia

are cities I like for completely distinct reasons though. Chicago was awesome… I went for the first time this past labour day, and I’m going back in early June.

Philly I’m going to in March to visit my Brother, so that should be good also.

I will also be going to my first leafs v flyers game … in PHILLY … so that should be grand.

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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Dec 21, 2009 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Chicago is a really nice city, i was there the last time the Leafs were in town, i wish id been able to stay longer than 2 days

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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 21, 2009 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Leafs since their horrid start

32 points of a possible 56, .571 hockey… still not good enough to make them thar playoffs realistically.

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- Sir Winston Churchill

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by Steve Burtch on Dec 21, 2009 12:15 PM EST reply actions  

If they did that from the beginning of the season, it’s like 93-94 points, which might have snuck them into 7th-8th

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by blindfolded tank driver on Dec 21, 2009 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes too bad

they actually count those first 7 games or so.

Apparently WCH is going to have to change his definition this season… back to the BEGINNING of the season.

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- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Dec 21, 2009 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

But plenty good enough so Boston’s pick isn’t a lottery pick, I would think.

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by stucky on Dec 21, 2009 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Ok so I need to bring this up... and I'm not really about to write a blog posting on it (yet)

Can we acknowledge as a group that Jason Blake ISN’T over paid?

He’s on pace for another 50 points this year… that’s 52+63+50 points over 3 years… which works out to an average of 55 points a season.

other players who scored around 55 points on average over the past 3 years? Chris Kunitz, Chris Drury, Erik Cole, Brian Gionta.

Like seriously… $4 million for any of those guys and I doubt we’d be losing our shit over it regularly.

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- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Dec 21, 2009 12:30 PM EST reply actions  

heh, I kinda prefer Blake to any of those guys at this point.

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by Karina on Dec 21, 2009 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

this is true, I’d probably be MORE pissed off if the Leafs had any of those players over Blake, Except Kunitz, because he has a funny name

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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 21, 2009 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

plus, most people still seem to have anger hold over from his first year because they thought they were getting a 40 goal scorer to play with Mats

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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 21, 2009 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

i hated him because he was the most selfish hockey player i had seen in a leaf jersey

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by Matt_Roberts on Dec 21, 2009 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

$4M per seems to be what Stajan and Poni could end up costing.

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by blurr1974 on Dec 21, 2009 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Which makes sense

since they are 60 point players over the course of a season… which is roughly what you get for $4 million these days.

I think people have a misconception around what a $4 million player is in todays NHL.

$4 million = 55 to 65 points + defensively responsible
$5 million = 65 to 75 points + defensively responsible
$6 million = 75 to 85 points
$7+ million = franchise level player.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Dec 21, 2009 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

every team should have like

3 or 4 of those guys… 1 or 2 $6-$7 million guys…

then two top 2 D men who cost $4 – $6 million

And then a goalie who costs you about $4 million if he’s a veteran

That’s $44 million, then you’ve got another $14 million to fill in the rest of your club with.

Between entry level contracts, and vets playing for around $1 million, it’s really not that complicated to see how it SHOULD work.. it just happens to be hard to get the right pieces at the right time.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Dec 21, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Right now the Leafs have

1 forward that’s being paid over $5 million… and the rest are making $4 million or less… ALL of them… which is why the overall skill level is a bit low on the top line.

Our D seems like it is making way too much, and our goaltending is over-paid for it’s production level (i.e. Toskala doesn’t deserve the $4 mill he’s making).

Except on our D, White and Finger are making a combined $4.35 million, which is an average of $2.175 million, which really isn’t that unreasonable… the split just sucks for White as Finger is making $3.5 of that. So really the D is fine, our forward allocation is a bit out of whack, and our goalie is over paid.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Dec 21, 2009 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

the leafs are a true example of quantity over quality

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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 21, 2009 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

It gets more funny

when you realize the Leafs only have 3 forwards who cost over $3 million as a cap hit.

Even if Poni and Stajan make 4… that brings the total up to 4 guys making between $4 million and $6 million.

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- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Dec 21, 2009 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

next year

Chicago has 3 players making between $5.5 and $7 million up front… and another 4 forwards making over $3 million. That’s 7 guys in total.

The Leafs would have 5.

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- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Dec 21, 2009 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

just a thought exercise, how many players do the leafs have on pace for 20+ goals?
Kessel
Poni
Stajan
Hagman
….

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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 21, 2009 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Blake

Grabovski

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- Sir Winston Churchill

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by Steve Burtch on Dec 21, 2009 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

so half their forward corps…thats pretty damned good

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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 21, 2009 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

yep

especially when you add in that Kulemin is ALSO on pace for 15 or so again.

So that’s 40ish for Kessel and Hagman, 30ish for Poni, 25+ for Stajan, 20 for Stempniak, 15 for Grabovski, Blake, and Kulemin…

That’s 200 goals from 8 forwards.

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- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Dec 21, 2009 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Toss in the goals from

White and Beauchemin… a few from Kaberle and Finger…

you begin to see how they score 220+ goals.

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- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Dec 21, 2009 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

and there are other variables, like Stalberg or other call ups

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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 21, 2009 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Isn’t the Blue and White ninja on pace for 20 too?

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by blindfolded tank driver on Dec 21, 2009 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

very quietly, yes

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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 21, 2009 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Stealthily even…

Why do we do this to ourselves?

by Kenjamin on Dec 21, 2009 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

He was upgraded to Iron Ninja after he hit like 8 posts in 3 games. Adjust accordingly.

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by clrkaitken on Dec 21, 2009 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I ♥ Hagman

but if he scores 40 or more goals, I may faint.

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by blurr1974 on Dec 21, 2009 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

meh I said`

40 ish… if he gets 30+ I’m happy… but he’s on pace for like 35 at this point

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- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Dec 21, 2009 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Kessel should top

40 easily though if he keeps up his current pace and doesn’t get injured… and that’s in 70 games or so?

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by Steve Burtch on Dec 21, 2009 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

impressive indeed, and he is still 4 or so years away from peaking.
cant wait to see what he can do in a full season,

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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 21, 2009 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

When all is said and done

if he ever gets his one timer sorted out… and he adds some more muscle as he ages and develops… he should be a regular threat for 50 goals.

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by Steve Burtch on Dec 21, 2009 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

He'll be like our most recent

incarnation of Mogilny, Bure, etc. He’s in that sort of style of player, with slightly less developed skills at this point. He needs to work on his D also a bit to be up to the Mogilny level… but yeah…

If he’s a 50 goal, 80 point guy long term… which he looks like he should be… yeah the whole draft picks thing is going to end up being pretty meaningless.

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by Steve Burtch on Dec 21, 2009 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

when was the last time anyone in a Leafs uniform scored 50? Andreychuck?

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by Karina on Dec 21, 2009 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

yep.

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- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Dec 21, 2009 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, and I like to think they can find a player of comparable skill with him to play with, which will only make that easier (or better!) but then i can think of another player i kept thinking that for

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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 21, 2009 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Except

we got Mogilny for Sundin… and we had Modin…

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by Steve Burtch on Dec 21, 2009 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, Mogilny was only 2 years though, and modin…yeah
I guess i should have tacked on "for a good long time:

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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 21, 2009 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Roberts

also, but he was past his prime… as was Mogilny… or Renberg?

But yeah… if the guys we remember are Hoglund and a young Antropov and Ponikarovsky… that isn’t really a great top line I suppose.

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by Steve Burtch on Dec 21, 2009 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I loved Renberg.

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by Karina on Dec 21, 2009 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, all I want is two “elite” level talents on the top line together for at least a 4 year stint

i dont think that is too much to ask

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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 21, 2009 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, and probably 10 total from Primeau, Orr and Mayers

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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 21, 2009 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

hagman wont score 40

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by Matt_Roberts on Dec 21, 2009 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

OPTIMISM!!!11

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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 21, 2009 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

wait nm

they’re on pace for 15 or 16.

Stempniak is on pace for 20 though.

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by Steve Burtch on Dec 21, 2009 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

ah, still, damn good distribution

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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 21, 2009 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

which makes Redden, Gionta, Gomez and Campbells contracts even funnier

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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 21, 2009 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

sorry, incomplete thought.

agreed on the above, but what I meant was, Stajan and Poni, well Poni anyways, might still be a well liked player, even at $4M per.

Maybe Burke is angling at moving these guys, or letting them walk. Does he want to sign either of them to long term deals at market value? And, do either of them want to give discounts, or would they rather cash in?

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by blurr1974 on Dec 21, 2009 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Remember though, these guys were both just getting started here back in the Quinn heyday.

Along with Kaberle, they are the only ones on the roster who understand what Toronto is like when the Leafs are in the playoffs. (I guess technically Jason Blake does too, since he came here in 2002 with the Isles, but I digress…)

These two players have spent their entire career in this city, they’ve been there to experience the playoffs and have spent the past 5 years trying like hell to get back. Now we’ve got the guy in charge who seems poised to finally get us back there, and he’s not even close to done yet. Would you chase the money, and watch as the team you left returns to prominence? Or would you take a little less for the chance to be a key contributor in the playoffs in a city that will live and die with each game, and should you win, you become immortal?

I know what I’d pick…

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by clrkaitken on Dec 21, 2009 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s just a gut feeling, but I don’t get the sense that taking a hometown discount is all that common.

One of the (many) undoings of JFJ was his assumption that players would take discounts to sign in TO. Why assume the same about current players?

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by blurr1974 on Dec 21, 2009 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Asking a free agent born and raised in the GTA who has never played for the Leafs, and asking a guy who’s played his entire career for the Leafs are two separate things.

JFJ tried to exploit the first one, which doesn’t exist.

Even with all his mistakes, the two best deals he made as GM were the ANtropov and Kaberle deals. Guys who had played their entire career in Toronto, and who signed to what were widely believed to be underpaid contracts.

I don’t think it’s unreasonable to think Poni and Stajan might take a tiny bit less to stay. (Maybe they ask 3.8 instead of 4, for example)

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by clrkaitken on Dec 21, 2009 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Stajan strikes me as one of those special hometown discount players, he is from the area AND spent his whole career here. He is also really involved in the community.
I think he might take upwards of 1 mill less (but longer term) to stay

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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 21, 2009 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Poni became a Canadian citizen, he has family here, he’s taken on a mentorship role to the young Russians on the team (Grabbo and Kulie)

If Burke decides these guys can be important pieces over the next 5 years, they will both be here next season.

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by clrkaitken on Dec 21, 2009 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t see Grabovski as an important part of the future. The signing of Bozak (a center) and the drafting of Kadri (another center) seems to make Grabbo’s three year deal, about the extent of his stay in Toronto.

Not sure about Kulemin, but we’ll find out soon…

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by blurr1974 on Dec 21, 2009 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I am quite curious as to see what happens with the grabbo situation. If Bozak developes as hoped, does he get traded? does someone get moved to the wing? I know Bozak can play there

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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 21, 2009 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

i’m not saying they’re the same, I’m wondering what the commonality of the occurrence is. How often do players take the discount?

It’s easy to assume that because they played here all of their careers, and the team has a new GM and direction, that they’ll jump at the chance to stick around. However, who knows what Stajan and Poni feel about Burke, and vice versa.

Lots of players move around in their careers. Burke is on record as not being a huge fan of NMCs. What if one of Stajan or Poni gets an offer from another team with an NMC, and they decide that for their families, or just personally, they’d rather have that level of security?

It’s all just conjecture. I’m not holding my breath for home town discounts is all. I don’t know what Stajan and Poni, or any other approaching FA on the team is thinking.

I have nothing interesting to say.

by blurr1974 on Dec 21, 2009 1:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I think if you offer them term

of like 5 years, but make it roll down in the case of Poni, who is already 29… then it would work out ok.

I’d give Poni a deal that went $5,$4,$3,$3,$2,$2 if he’d take it, and the cap hit would only be $3.166 million a year. That would be awesome for Poni… and I think Burke might be ok with it also.

Stajan is a harder case because he’s only 26, which is why I’d offer him $4 mill over 2 years, and see what he wants after.

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by Steve Burtch on Dec 21, 2009 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

the above is what I could get on board with. But anything more than 2 years for Stajan I don’t like.

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by Karina on Dec 21, 2009 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

2 years for Stajan, with 2 years remaining for Grabbo would seem to indicate that Burke doesn’t see Kadri in a Leafs uni until the start of the 2012-13 season.

I have nothing interesting to say.

by blurr1974 on Dec 21, 2009 1:12 PM EST up reply actions  

possibly, but you also don’t want to take anything for granted. It’s better to have them in case he isn’t ready until then, and if he is ready before then, isn’t competition a good thing?

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by Karina on Dec 21, 2009 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

competition is wonderful, but committing to contracts in the salary cap era has proven that it’s a bit difficult to move players with ease, moreso than prior anyway.

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by blindfolded tank driver on Dec 21, 2009 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s a lot easier to move guys in their mid 20s with 2 years and < $3 million than guys in their late 20s/early 30s with 5+ years and > $5 million on their contract.

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by clrkaitken on Dec 21, 2009 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

so true, but still teams are wary of taking in too many guys.

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by blindfolded tank driver on Dec 21, 2009 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Yup

They will not rush Kadri but having players ahead of him on the depth chart gives him people to outperform. No sense letting him develop in a vacuum with a spot at centre ice all laid out for him.

Why do we do this to ourselves?

by Kenjamin on Dec 21, 2009 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Stajan + 4mil/per = do not want

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by Matt_Roberts on Dec 21, 2009 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

this

is correct

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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 21, 2009 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I was going to say that with those other guys that we’re fooled because they’ve scored more than that average repeatedly in the past, but now that I think about it I don’t think it’s true. Drury did have a couple good years of scoring and now can’t do that well anymore, Cole has only proven he can score with Eric Staal and Carolina and otherwise has been crap, Kunitz has never been a big scorer, and Gionta was positively Blake-esque one year in that he had one monster season and after that has gone back to his traditional average.

Maybe it’s just Leaf fans overvaluing other players and undervaluing our own (as opposed to the reverse, which we also do in other cases as well).

Having said that, it’s still not going to make me into a diehard Blake fan anytime soon.

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by stucky on Dec 21, 2009 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

no one should be

a diehard Blake fan… he’s a big enough fan of himself.

As for expecting anyone to be one – I don’t… I just wish people would ignore the main stream press who insist he has to score 30 goals to be worth $4 mill. If he gets 50-60 points this year, he’s earning his pay cheque… AGAIN… for the 3rd year in a row.

As for Stajan and Poni… if we add them both back at $4 mill, it’s not that big a problem right now.. it becomes one if the deals are longer term though.

I’d sign them for 2 or 3 years each.. and then reconsider in a few. If they go longer term than that, the deals need to rachet down a bit and I don’t see that happening.

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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Dec 21, 2009 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

You’re absolutely right that a case can be made that Blake’s contract is consistent with the market and he’s therefore not overpaid.

My issue with his contract is a bit different. I’d rather have his $4M to spend elsewhere (not so much this year as in the future). So even if the contract isn’t excessive it was unwise. I think we have guys making a lot less who can effectively replace what he brings if given the opportunity (Stalberg?) and I’d rather save the cash for a #1-2 guy.

by The '67 Sound on Dec 21, 2009 12:56 PM EST up reply actions  

You honestly think Stålberg

would have 50+ points and be defensively responsible to the level of Blake?

I’m sorry but that’s asking a lot.

I can agree that the ice time might be best served by DEVELOPING a younger player… but in that instance you need to realize that the development would take some time. In 9 games so far this year Stempniak has 2 points.

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- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Dec 21, 2009 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I think what's being done with Kulemin

is ideal for developing a younger player. Less emphasis on their offense while they learn the defensive aspect of the game. If he chips in some goals that’s great, but he isn’t expected to carry the load night in and night out.

Ståberg can take Stempniak’s spot next season, and do the exact same job that he’s doing and probably do it fairly well. Hanson can have Primeau’s gig on the 3rd line… or Mayer’s job on the 4th, if you want to give Primeau’s job to Bozak I’d be all in favour.

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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Dec 21, 2009 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Stalberg in Stempniak’s spot makes sense to me. Hanson will have to be re-signed, won’t he?

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by Karina on Dec 21, 2009 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

ya, he is an RFA

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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 21, 2009 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s exactly how I feel about Kulemin his year. It’s nice that the hooplah only lasted for a few weeks last season and he has been allowed to develop quietly into a solid second year player on the 3rd line.

If he gets 10-15 goals and 20-25 assists with a decent +/- I’ll be happy.

He’s getting 15 minutes a night almost exclusively a even-strength so it looks like RW is still easing him in.

Why do we do this to ourselves?

by Kenjamin on Dec 21, 2009 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Love Kulemin’s game this season.

I never would have expected him to be such an accomplished checker, but the energy line role seems to suit him, and I think the offence will eventually come.

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by clrkaitken on Dec 21, 2009 1:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly.

Even if his ceiling is something like 15-20 goals and 50 points I’ll be quite pleased if he’s able to continue to develop is defensive play.

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by Kenjamin on Dec 21, 2009 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

If Kulemin becomes a 50 point guy and continues to be a strong defensive forward, he would be a perennial Selke contender.

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by clrkaitken on Dec 21, 2009 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

yup

those are fairly unrealistic expectations for the guy.

15 goals, 30-35 points a season, and defensively responsible. That works for me.

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by blurr1974 on Dec 21, 2009 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

When If Kulemin becomes a 50 point guy and continues to be a strong defensive forward, he will would be a perennial Selke contender.

/fixed

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by Kenjamin on Dec 21, 2009 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Sky pie.

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by clrkaitken on Dec 21, 2009 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Replete with all of the necessary pie-related accoutrements!

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by Kenjamin on Dec 21, 2009 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

We’re not seriously contending this year (or the previous two years of Blake’s contract). I’d have rather developed youth and used the money more effectively towards a long-term goal. Bottom line is that Blake’s contract did nothing to help us enjoy long-term playoff success, nor could it reasonably have been expected to at the time. That should be the test for every contract. Blake’s fails that test.

by The '67 Sound on Dec 21, 2009 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed.

You give veterans a lot of money when you’re close to competing for something meaningful. The Leafs weren’t close when he was signed and have not been close since.

He might be a 4 million dollar player, but not on the Leafs. Maybe on a team that doesn’t have cap issues, has lots of young players in place and can afford to pay a guy 4 million to basically contribute 60 points and not much else.

Wait… I can’t think of a single team that fits those criteria…

Why do we do this to ourselves?

by Kenjamin on Dec 21, 2009 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

They signed Blake when they did, because JFJ and Maurice were deluded into thinking that the Leafs were going to get back into the playoffs in 2007-08.

This is why JFJ will never be a GM in the NHL again, and why once Maurice gets fired again by Carolina he will never coach in the NHL again.

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by clrkaitken on Dec 21, 2009 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

eh

Blake works very hard, I think that’s contributing something. We need to instill that work ethic into our young guys.

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by Karina on Dec 21, 2009 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Hm

He does work hard… but it’s always an awkward kind of hard work with him dangling all perimeter… a typical “Blake” play in my mind is:

He crosses the blue line with some speed.
He goes wide on the defender with some more speed.
He goes around the back of the net with a little less speed.
He gets to the half boards with even less speed.
He quickly turns and fires a weak wrister at the net from about a 60 degree angle.
Exhausted, he heads to be bench.

Lather, rinse, repeat.

Why do we do this to ourselves?

by Kenjamin on Dec 21, 2009 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I can get “work ethic modelling” for a lot less than $4MM. I knew Blake’s was a terrible contract even before JFJ signed it.

That said, I will admit I would have preferred at the time that JFJ sign one of the marquee guys that summer, all of whom have turned out to be disastrous contracts as I recall—I think that was the summer of Drury and Gomez. I still can’t believe Drury sucks so much. So maybe we should thank our lucky stars.

by The '67 Sound on Dec 21, 2009 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmm

It makes sense but it doesn’t make me feel any better.

Why do we do this to ourselves?

by Kenjamin on Dec 21, 2009 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

If you look at Blake’s contract in the context of “at least it’s not Drury, Redden, Gomez, Huet, Campbell, Khabibulin” everything looks good.

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by Chemmy on Dec 21, 2009 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

well

work ethic + 55 points, it seems like a fair deal. Not good value, but OK.

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by Karina on Dec 21, 2009 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Kunitz can score...

PPG starting in 05-06 are 0.61, 0.74, 0.61 and 0.65. Poni’s are a little more erratic 0.47, 0.63, 0.53, 0.74.

Kunitz has only missed 1 game since getting called up, back in the 06-07 season. I couldn’t bother to count Poni’s games missed, but it’s a lot more. Durability is a worthwhile investment.

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by blurr1974 on Dec 21, 2009 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

He’s not overpaid, but over-termed

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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Dec 21, 2009 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

this guy just never goes away
@mirtle Phoenix Coyotes General Manager Don Maloney announced today that the Coyotes have signed defenseman Anders Eriksson

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by Karina on Dec 21, 2009 12:44 PM EST reply actions  

I hate this. WHY? WHY would we sign this guy? Seems as about as effective as Ken Klee or David Hale.

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by Travis Hair on Dec 21, 2009 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

less effective

actually. Ken Klee retired though, so he’s probably better at this point.

I’m 100% certain their are better, younger D men playing in the AHL.

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by Steve Burtch on Dec 21, 2009 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

This is what i’m saying! I don’t get this move at all.

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by Travis Hair on Dec 21, 2009 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

David Hale still gets regular minutes in Tampa, which confuses me.

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by Karina on Dec 21, 2009 12:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't get it either.

He’s not good. When Klee was here he’d at least check a guy now and then Hale is a hole in the ice.

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by Travis Hair on Dec 21, 2009 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Well he was playing in San Antonio for you guys already this season…

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by SkinnyFish on Dec 21, 2009 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Sure.

On a PTO for the AHL team. Not auditioning for the big club. I just don’t understand.

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by Travis Hair on Dec 21, 2009 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

just a thought, but does it make sense to expose the kids to the uncertainty currently surrounding the franchise?

you know i’m a fan of keeping the Coyotes in Phoenix, so that’s not what i’m getting at. Just that, mentally it may be a bit of a strain and distraction?

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by blurr1974 on Dec 21, 2009 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

We've had a couple of the young guys up.

And they’ve been playing well. That’s what makes it even more confusing.

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by Travis Hair on Dec 21, 2009 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Anders Eriksson? Isn’t he like 45? Or maybe that’s just how he’s always played.

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by stucky on Dec 21, 2009 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Press release says 34. I guess we were lacking in disappointing aging defensemen?

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by Travis Hair on Dec 21, 2009 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Born January 9th, 1975

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by SkinnyFish on Dec 21, 2009 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess I thought he was older because it seems like he’s been around for a long time. And why that would be is the big mystery, this guy is a terrible defenceman.

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by stucky on Dec 21, 2009 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Well he fist played way back in 95 with the Wings

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by SkinnyFish on Dec 21, 2009 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

When he was 21.

he was also a 1st round draft pick, 22nd overall.

Part of his problem is he has NEVER played a full 82 games… injury issues?

7 separate seasons with 20+ points in the NHL isn’t that bad though. His D isn’t great but he’s only been a minus player 4 times in 11 years.

He’s not that great, but at this point he’s a fill in replacement level guy… so no biggie.

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by Steve Burtch on Dec 21, 2009 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

A quick note to add on the Blake contract subject:

Back when we signed him, the cap was only 50$M, and 4$M took up any remaining space we had to sign someone else. 6$M (the difference between cap-then and cap-now) is a decent amount of extra space that lets us breathe around his deal. Depending on how much the cap goes down next year, we might complain more next season about Blake’s contract.

The difference is this: back when we signed him, there were still players doing well under contracts signed in a 39$M cap league. At the time, Blake looked comparatively expensive, while now, as the cap goes back down, he will look more par for the course alongside other players with deals signed under a higher cap.

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