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When Brian Burke took over as the General Manager of the Toronto Maple Leafs, he promised a rebuild that would return the franchise back to it's glory days. Burke was the ultimate salesman, doing his best to convince fans and the hockey world that he had what it took to immediately turn around what had become a laughing-stock of a franchise.

Three months in, mission not accomplished. Not anywhere close.

SBNation.com's Brandon Worley puts together his Naughty and Nice list for the NHL. The Vatican's Team and the Pope close out the list.

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Find me a GM in the league that can turn an almost lottery team to a serious juggernaut at the drop of a hat. Come on do it.

by Huey2k2 on Dec 22, 2009 12:16 PM EST reply actions  

The other thing is...

That since “The Start” the team is a massively improved team. Over the past month they’ve played .600+ hockey. They are beating good teams, they are scoring more, they are defending much better, and if Gustavsson had not had two fucking ablations they’d be that much better.

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by PPP on Dec 22, 2009 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly.

It really bothers me to see articles like this where people claim that Burke promised that we would be some kind of juggernaut in the east this season. He never said anything of the sort.

The closest he ever came was saying that his target this year was to make the playoffs, he didn’t guarantee the playoffs, he just said that was his target. I swear the media will spin ANYTHING they get that is related to the Leafs in some way to make it out to be a failure. If and when the Leafs are a serious contender in the east I guarantee you they still will get no respect from the media.

by Huey2k2 on Dec 22, 2009 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

not to mention you can’t really make any trades anymore.

So all you have is college FA, regular FA and the draft .. that takes at least 2 years… most likely more.

by hallandnash on Dec 23, 2009 9:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Did Burkie promise anything for this season really? He said something about maybe having a playoff team, but every GM says they have a playoff team. Most say they think they can win the cup.

by Its Cold In Here on Dec 22, 2009 12:19 PM EST reply actions  

i also dont remember the word rebuild

Puns, Innuendo and Bad Spelling, Yes We Got That

by JaredFromLondon on Dec 22, 2009 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Is it reasonable to dismiss his comment strictly because he used the wrong “it’s?”

by NWOntario on Dec 22, 2009 12:33 PM EST reply actions  

Totally reasonable!!!

Also, there’s no hyphen in “laughingstock.”

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by Varry Galk on Dec 22, 2009 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

This is the sort of judgment I can get behind!

by NWOntario on Dec 22, 2009 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Seriously?

What the hell, does he think Burke is a miracle worker or something?

People who don’t follow the Leafs closely saw the early awful start and concluded that the team is a joke again and Burke is a failure. But people who know what’s going on see that the team has turned it around and has more of a bright future than it’s had in years.

Can people at least wait a little longer than three fucking months into his first full season with the team before we can pass judgement on the Burke era?

leaf fan stuck in ottawa, a localized black hole that will suck everything in that area to oblivion.

by stucky on Dec 22, 2009 12:35 PM EST reply actions  

no one will waste any opportunity to bash the leafs, but will hesitate to praise them till the very last

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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 22, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I concur with the anger of your post.

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Dec 22, 2009 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks

It felt good to let it go. :)

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by stucky on Dec 22, 2009 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Also

Head over to the original page and let Brandon have it. :)

Met him at the draft, really nice guy, but way off. Remind him by how much!

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by PPP on Dec 22, 2009 12:39 PM EST reply actions  

I posted a response similar to mine above, only in more civil tones, and in more detail.

I mean, REALLY in more detail. :)

leaf fan stuck in ottawa, a localized black hole that will suck everything in that area to oblivion.

by stucky on Dec 22, 2009 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Aside from the Fact that he gave props to Marty, why is Burke on the naughty list? Did Burke dismantle his team and turn it into a farce on the ice? Did he trade away top prospects for late draft picks? Did he try to make the world’s smallest team? Too many haters these days

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by Kevin Sellathamby on Dec 22, 2009 12:46 PM EST reply actions  

Compare this

to a failing business that hires a new CEO to right the ship.

Does anyone expect that guy to turn a profit within 3 months? Within a year? Doubtful.

New Business strategies, cost-cutting, rebranding, those kind of things take time before profits start to emerge. So does developing talent, team chemistry, getting rid of bad habits before wins start to happen.

I know this analogy isn’t perfect, but it’s pretty close.

I fear us Leaf fans are the most impatient team in the sport.

Leafs Nation: A drinking team with a hockey problem.

by nhlcheapshot on Dec 22, 2009 12:59 PM EST reply actions  

My reply

You have Brian Burke on the naughty list: A GM who tookover for a terrible team midway through the season and has had only1 draft and 1 free agency to work with to rebuild a basement team that is now, one of the worst starts in history, sitting 5 points out of a playoff spot.

You should have put Paul Holmgren at the Flyers on the naughty list instead. Paul Holmgren started with a team that finished 5th in the East last year; had a breakout superstar in Jeff Carter; and had a stacked roster with Richards, Briere, Gagne, and Hartnell. Then he added rookie standout James van Reimsdyk, sophomore star Claude Giroux, and one of the best defensemen of all-time in Chris Pronger. Mix that winning formula together and you get a 15-18-2 record good for 14th in the East and 29th overall, and a fired coach.

How does Holmgren not get a lump of coal in his stocking this year?

They call me Splodeybones.

by SkinnyFish on Dec 22, 2009 12:59 PM EST reply actions  

Philly

is failing all over the place. Their only blatent hole is their goaltending – but yet they aren’t scoring.

I’ve heard the bad lockerroom drama rumours, but c’mon if its THIS big of a problem maybe its time to start in with the trades. Way too much talent on that team to be this bad.

Leafs Nation: A drinking team with a hockey problem.

by nhlcheapshot on Dec 22, 2009 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Brian Burke = Barack Obama

You can blame him all you want for what he hasn’t ‘accomplished’, but he inherited a terrible situation. Things are going to look bad for a little while. Even when he said things might get better.

by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Dec 22, 2009 1:02 PM EST reply actions  

I don't approve of that comparison

Due to my personal political beliefs. But I am not going to argue with you as I do not wish to start a stupid politics argument on my favourite hockey blog.

by Huey2k2 on Dec 22, 2009 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Really?

I’m not sure how you can argue with that statement? It’s fairly a-political. Unless you think all of the US’s problems are currently attributable to his 11.5 month tenure?

by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Dec 22, 2009 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

shhhhhhh

They call me Splodeybones.

by SkinnyFish on Dec 22, 2009 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

wait. no.

I refuse to drop this. The analogy is apt. APPPPPPPPPT!

by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Dec 22, 2009 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

It's like

bringing religion into the debate, just a bad idea all around.

Leafs Nation: A drinking team with a hockey problem.

by nhlcheapshot on Dec 22, 2009 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Very Apt actually: consider

Brian Burke – comes in to run a franchise that’s in a mess and has been in one for years.
Barack Obama – comes in to run a country that’s in a mess and has been in one for years.

Brian Burke – Heralded by majority of Leafs fans as going to (at some point) turn the mess around.
Barack Obama – Heralded by majority of Americans as going to (at some point) turn the mess around.

Brian Burke – believed by the lesser informed to be capable of performing a miraculous reversal of the fortunes of his franchise.
Barack Obama – believed by the lesser informed to be capable of performing miraculous reversal of the fortunes of his country.

Brian Burke – won unofficial (and undeserved) GM of the Year award by fans.
Barack Obama – won official (and undeserved) Nobel Peace Prize – awarded by someone in Sweden.

OK, OK, maybe the last one is pushing it a bit – but I think my point is made.

by Blue and White Expat on Dec 22, 2009 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Politics and religion eh?

I think Obama is Jesus.

A Nation of Masochists Waiting is the hardest part.

by furcifer on Dec 22, 2009 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I am holding my tongue.

I don’t really want to go down that road.

by Huey2k2 on Dec 22, 2009 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

You brought it up in the first place.

by koopa kid on Dec 22, 2009 6:25 PM EST up reply actions  

i think it’s a really good comparison man. regardless if you think the mess burke/obama inheirited was due to their predecessor, or if you think there was a mess at all, popular opinion at least was that the new guys in charge were going to change things, for the better, drastically and quickly. nothing political or controversial about that.

“can we be truculent? yes we can.”

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by daoust on Dec 22, 2009 8:57 PM EST up reply actions  

maybe we should award him with a Nobel Peace Prize...

… to encourage him to try harder

Is that the kid you want?

by kessticle on Dec 23, 2009 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

When did we start caring about anything someone on SBN wrote?

huh? what’s that you say?

by somny on Dec 22, 2009 1:09 PM EST reply actions  

It’s a slow news day

Leafs Nation: A drinking team with a hockey problem.

by nhlcheapshot on Dec 22, 2009 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

My favourite part

“Three months in.”

Yeah, TONs of GMs turn teams around in 3 months, it might just be the easiest thing in the world. You know who could turn this team around in 3 months? JOHN FERGUSON JR! Rehire JFJ!

Okay, this guy is an idiot, I hate sports writers. Especially PPP and Chemmy.

by SPENCEMAN on Dec 22, 2009 1:54 PM EST reply actions  

And no.

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by PPP on Dec 22, 2009 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

i blame the windage

Puns, Innuendo and Bad Spelling, Yes We Got That

by JaredFromLondon on Dec 22, 2009 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

STFU!

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by PPP on Dec 22, 2009 3:17 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

what did i tell you about outsourcing your murder?

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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 22, 2009 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I wanted to see if I could do it :(

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by PPP on Dec 22, 2009 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

so now you gonna stop those “so easy a caveman could do it” cracks?

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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 22, 2009 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Sigh

Yes.

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by PPP on Dec 22, 2009 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Had to rec this.

Resident Capologist

by clrkaitken on Dec 22, 2009 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

same

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Dec 22, 2009 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Yup

"If A is a success in life, then A equals x plus y plus z. Work is x; y is play; and z is keeping your mouth shut."

Albert Einstein

by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Dec 22, 2009 7:05 PM EST up reply actions  

You can’t just flip a hockey team like you can flip a house. I’m not saying, I’m just saying.

As per new community rules; all signature tags on PPP must contain the word "truculent".

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by Wrap Around Curl on Dec 22, 2009 2:38 PM EST reply actions  

When a problem comes along,

You must flip it.

Why do we do this to ourselves?

by Kenjamin on Dec 22, 2009 2:50 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

flip it good

Puns, Innuendo and Bad Spelling, Yes We Got That

by JaredFromLondon on Dec 22, 2009 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

now flip it... into shape

leaf fan stuck in ottawa, a localized black hole that will suck everything in that area to oblivion.

by stucky on Dec 22, 2009 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Who the fuck is Brandon Worley and why should I care what he has to say?

Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...

by mf37 on Dec 22, 2009 4:36 PM EST reply actions  

He swore! You all saw it!

Harder, better, faster, stronger because our work is never over.

by Mattblack on Dec 22, 2009 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s fun how little pieces like this are self-propagating. The “Brian Burke takes over Leafs, wants to make the playoffs, add toughness” headlines combined with the Leafs off-season moves had lots of people writing articles about what a great job he’d done remodeling the team before the puck even dropped.

Now the vagaries of the NHL season and future predictions have hit. Those that overreacted in a positive fashion are now backpedaling in order to save face, while the skeptics or silent types out there are condemning the team to be topical or contrary, for expectations that were not even shared by the organization.

The fact is that, once the quotes and buzzwords that blew out of proportion are skimmed off, the Leafs’ story up until the season started was “Newly hired GM hopes to improve mediocre team.” What a groundbreaking idea. But I suppose without bluster and hyperbole the guys making these lists might actually have to form some opinions of their own.

by koopa kid on Dec 22, 2009 6:47 PM EST reply actions  

TRUCULENCE!!!!

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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 22, 2009 6:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Mainstream media types all expect the Leafs “rebuild” to be instantaneous or at worst, quick, otherwise it can’t possibly work. They’re like little kids on a long trip that say “Are we there yet?” every 5 seconds.

No, we are not there yet! But we are on our way. Until then, quiet down back there and stop hitting your brother/sister.

Truculence...starting 10/1/09

by LeafBoy on Dec 22, 2009 7:14 PM EST up reply actions  

But he started it!

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by clrkaitken on Dec 22, 2009 7:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Pfft!

Burkie can only do so much with five loaves of bread and two fish.

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by Rock Outta SoCal on Dec 22, 2009 9:39 PM EST reply actions  

I'm Curious

which of Burke’s moves does he disapprove of?

Trade for Kessel? 13 goals in 25 games? Yeah horrible.
Signing Grabovski for 3 years at $2.9 million a season? On pace for 51 points? Not bad considering he had 48 points last year. Could be better though.
Bringing in Hanson and Bozak to increase team depth?
Signing Gunnarsson, Stålberg, and Mikus to pro deals with the Leafs?
Trading Antropov and Moore for draft picks… NOT increasing his offer to Moore?
Signing Gustavsson to give the Leafs a legit goaltending prospect not named Pogge?
Letting Pogge walk as a free agent?
Signing Komisarek and Beauchemin?

Which of those was a mistake so far? Which one is a “failure”? Any of them? None of them? Some of them? I think I’d go with the 2nd choice, but maybe that’s just me.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Dec 23, 2009 1:08 AM EST reply actions  

MAYBE

it would be the Tlusty trade, which is the first move I disagree with sincerely as far as Burke’s tenure has gone. I am of the opinion Tlusty will develop into a better NHL’er than Paradis, but we shall all have to wait and see on that one.

I still don’t think that warrants being ripped after 1 year on the job.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Dec 23, 2009 1:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Actually, we got a conditional 2011 pick out of Pogge. A low one, but usually goaltenders get picked up with low picks.

Also, I would call the trade of Kubina for spare parts Exelby to be a pretty bad trade. It was a salary dump, yes, but to not even get a low draft pick out of a solid 1st pairing guy and the anchor for our PP last year is rough.

by koopa kid on Dec 23, 2009 4:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Ya the Kubina one could definitely be seen as a bad trade (ie salary dump), but when you evaluate the whole purpose (i.e. to get enough room to sign beauchemin), it’s still up in the air. As of right now, I kind of wish we had Kubina as he has the better shot, but we’ll have to see how Beauch ends up turning out in the long-run, he’s played pretty well smothering other team’s star players as of late, but im not sold on his consistency yet.

XLB is obviously dead weight and will not be re-signed.

Some people are also still upset about the Strahlman trade too.

Leafs Nation: A drinking team with a hockey problem.

by nhlcheapshot on Dec 23, 2009 7:32 AM EST up reply actions  

If Burke stood at centre ice with a banner proclaiming “Mission Accomplished”, would that make the author feel better?

by Theodles on Dec 23, 2009 2:14 AM EST reply actions  

No, but it would write Damien Cox’s next 14 articles for him, so he’d be pretty stoked…

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by clrkaitken on Dec 23, 2009 7:09 AM EST up reply actions  

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