Jiri Tlusty Traded
by Chemmy on Dec 3, 2009 3:54 PM EST
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According to TSN's Bob MacKenzie we've swapped Jiri Tlusty with Carolina for their 2009 first round pick Philippe Paradis. From Hockey's Future:
A mixture of physical presence and scoring skill, Paradis is an attractive prospect. He possesses a hard shot and has the ability to make room for himself and his teammates on the ice. Paradis isn't a player to back down from a challenge. Already an intriguing medley of grit and ability, if Paradis gets faster and stronger, he could become a dominant force in the QMJHL.
Honestly I'm going to have to try hard to trust Burke on this one. Jiri Tlusty was a point per game in the AHL last year and has 15 points in 19 games (though with a -7 rating). I think a lot of us were waiting for Tlusty's breakout season and maybe Burke's feeling is that Tlusty won't be able to make it in the NHL.
The trouble is that Paradis was a 27th overall pick meaning he went almost in the second round. What's more, Carolina went off the board to get him. Paradis is described as a Burke type player and yet his QMJHL numbers don't paint a very flattering picture (via HockeyDB):
| Season | GP | G | A | Pts | PPG | PIM |
| 07-08 | 45 | 11 | 12 | 23 | 0.51 | 44 |
| 08-09 | 66 | 19 | 31 | 50 | 0.76 | 74 |
| 09-10 | 26 | 8 | 11 | 19 | 0.73 | 43 |
0.73 PPG in the QMJHL isn't exactly setting the world on fire. I'm not going to count but looking at the QMJHL's stats page he's approximately two millionth in scoring there.
Canes Country's take on Paradis from the draft this summer doesn't make it seem like they were thrilled with the pick then:
But as they say, the draft is just step one in the careers of these players, and Paradis is a talented player that obviously caught the eye of the Hurricanes scouts.
What this most likely boils down to is that Tlusty is an RFA at the end of the year. Perhaps he made it clear he wouldn't sign in Toronto and forced Burke's hand? It's unlikely we would have gotten a first for him if he walked, so perhaps Burke liked grabbing Paradis instead of a second. Still it's rough that we traded a 13th overall pick who had a lot of promise for a 27th overall pick who doesn't look great at first glance.
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Damn Straight
I like the kid because I know in 2-3 years I’ll be able to make Harry Potter jokes and watch a Leaf game at the same time.
It's possible
as long as Gainey’s love of mediocre undersized forwards makes us add in Jason blake
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Dec 3, 2009 6:09 PM EST up reply actions
Given that this frees up a spot for a pro, I see this as a first move of something much bigger…
I can only hope…
...Being surrounded by Sens and Habs fans makes me lose faith in humanity...
But wouldnt Tlusty be a better trading chip than Paradis
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I thought CrashTheCrease made a decent point on twitter: if the Leafs had traded Tlusty for the Hurricans first round pick on draft day, we would have loved the deal.
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by Down Goes Brown on Dec 3, 2009 3:58 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Yeah
I guess but that 1st rounder would have represented anyone left not Phillipe Paradis
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by PPP on Dec 3, 2009 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
If somebody came up to me on June 4th and said:
“Hey dude! Would you, like, totally accept a trade of Tlusty for the Canes’ first rounder???”
I would be all like:
“Heeelllls yeah buddayyy!!!!!!!”
And then Jim Rutherford would be all like:
“OHHHHHH PARADISEDDDD!!! FTW”
And then Strong Mad came in on the bass and went:
“DOW DOW DOW DOW DOW DOW DOWWWW DOW DOW DOW DOW DOOOOWWW”
Why do we do this to ourselves?
by Kenjamin on Dec 3, 2009 4:18 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
hahah rec’d
If God didn't want me to eat animals, why did he make them out of meat?
by The Meatriarchy on Dec 3, 2009 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
Except Paradis was a bad use of the 27th pick. Now he’s our bad use of the 27th pick.
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Tlusty will beat it back to Europe if he doesn’t make the ’caines next year.
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by The Meatriarchy on Dec 3, 2009 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
I think that’s pretty likely.
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by PPP on Dec 3, 2009 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
Had his chance
Tlusty was given 2 solid chances to make his mark with the Leafs and he failed to do so. He’s an outside player with above avg speed and an unwillingness to go to the tough areas. And he’s backchecking isn’t exactly all that saught after.
And I’m sure Burke had a look around to every team for Jiri and this was the best that was out there. While the numbers are startling, that hardly means everything 50 pts and 74 pims in 66 games ain’t too bad
Sorry, but this was a move to clear roster space. I think Burke is worried about the goaltending situation, but has been unable to make a move with so many guys under contract This now gives Toronto the ability to claim a skater or goalie off waivers if need be.
If all they were trying to do was open up a spot to claim someone on waivers, they would have released Ben Ondrus.
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you can’t just release a player in the middle of the season if they have a contract. it doesn’t work that way.
Release the Marlies captain and one of the hardest working players. Prolly not
Fairweather fans can go to hell
I’m sure the Grand Rapids Gryphons would have taken Ondrus
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by The Meatriarchy on Dec 3, 2009 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
This stinks.
But DGB’s comment makes a lot of sense.
Oh Jiri. I had such high hopes.
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it sucks that...
we never got to see him get a real chance…
...Being surrounded by Sens and Habs fans makes me lose faith in humanity...
now he’s going to tear it up against us in the future, and it’l be yet another story of “leafs can’t keep youth”
Plus no more NSFW jokes
THIS IS A JOKE
Here’s another profile on whatever this guys name is…
In trying to see the positive, I’m focusing on this:
NHL Player(s) Comparison: Brendan Morrow
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by blurr1974 on Dec 3, 2009 4:00 PM EST reply actions
it also notes he’s aprox. 3 years away from the NHL.
Some notes from his combine:
* Sorokin observed: "Was much hype around this guy, especially coming from central scouting guys. I’m afraid I don’t know much about him in terms of his skills, but he’s a pretty big kid, and looks physically ready."
* Gare Joyce noted Paradis was one of only seven to score "AA" (above average) in both upper and lower body development.
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by blurr1974 on Dec 3, 2009 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
lower body development
Oh Jiri :(
Harder, better, faster, stronger because our work is never over.
by Mattblack on Dec 3, 2009 4:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
in the dub at that…wonder what kind of ice time/role Paradis is getting vs. what Morrow got.
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by blurr1974 on Dec 3, 2009 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
That’s what really really bothers me. What’s that old saying; wanna know how a player in the Q will score in the NHL? Divide his points by three.
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He’s a minus player in the QMJHL. Doesn’t sound like a great defensive guy to me.
He’s also 6’1" or 6"2" depending on what you read meaning he’s not a big body.
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Tall doesn’t necessarily equate to big – Alex Ovechkin is 4 inches shorter than Jeff Schultz, but he’s almost 25 pounds heavier.
Depending on how he fills out, he could be a big body. If he’s thin, then yeah, he’ll never be a big body more than likely.
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by Knee high to a duck on Dec 3, 2009 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
4th line NHL? AHL or ECHL?
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by The Meatriarchy on Dec 3, 2009 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
Here's the thing
Tlusty is 3 years older than Paradis. His development hasn’t been smooth. Paradis is still in junior, and although not tearing it up, he’s not the worst thing ever, his PPG rate is 0.73 through 26 games, down from last years 0.76, but not horribly so.
Tlusty, although a fun meme, had obvious confidence issues in the NHL. He can score when he wants to in the AHL, but so could Jason Krog. I may be alone in this, but I never thought Tlusty was finally going to show up and light the NHL on fire. I was hoping for a top 6 player out of him, but he wasn’t going to be a talent on par with Kessel or hopefully Kadri.
Maybe I’m the only one who didn’t think Tlusty was going to be all that, but still, I think this indignation over the trade is a little overboard, and roasting a new Leafs prospect before even seeing him on ice is a tad too much as well. Supposedly Paradis is a “project” and is a few years away. Lets see what he turns in to before declaring this a loss…
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by blurr1974 on Dec 3, 2009 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
I agree
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by PPP on Dec 3, 2009 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
sweet
since your name’s on the header, that means I WIN!
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by blurr1974 on Dec 3, 2009 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
Yah, but saying it out loud means you lose.
Harder, better, faster, stronger because our work is never over.
so’s your face
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by blurr1974 on Dec 3, 2009 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
That “AA” is a really, really big deal to scouts. He’s going to be powerful.
I am Mikhail Grabovski's smirking revenge.
Sooo it’s like drafting a guy in NHL10 with a green A in Athleticism!
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We hardly knew ya Jiri...
…well…
by Johnny Bower's Pokecheck on Dec 3, 2009 4:01 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Well Jiri
We’ll always have those nsfw pics
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With all the Tlusty nsfw jokes today, I “came” across this doozey of a headline today:
http://www.thehockeynews.com/articles/29794-THNcom-Blog-Caps-should-consider-moving-Semin.html
I’ve been on the fence on Tlusty for a while. Have been starting to get the impression he’s one of those guys who falls into that talent gap between the AHL and NHL. If he wasn’t in the plans past this year, the options were to not qualify him and let him walk for nothing, qualify him and hope someone gives him a sheet (in which case he’d have to sign above 1.5 mil for a 2nd, above 3 mil for a 1st), or trade him. I think Paradis is favourable return compared to the other options.
I’m okay with this one.
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I was hoping Tlusty would get a longer callup than he did.
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I think this is a classic case of JFJ/Maurice/MLSE botching a kids’ development.
He should never have been called up to the NHL. It burned a year of his contract and the kid played about nine minutes a night. I don’t see how that helps a player develop.
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Absolutely. But once he proved he could be a star in the A, but we never really got to see what he could do in the ACC.
I wasn’t a big fan. He looked lost whenever he got brought up to the Leafs.
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Tlusty was two goal per game NHL player once.
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I’m with puckurgently.
Tlusty always struck me as a guy that didn’t have that faster 2nd gear or the jam to make it in the NHL, but who was too talented for the AHL.
If he was all sorts of crazy, he’d be Grabbo 2.0. Instead, he’s been reunited with Paul Maurice who, if history has taught us anything, will likely use him inappropriately and give him 9 minutes of ice-time a night.
I also think (but am totally not sure on this one) that Tlusty loses waiver eligibility status if he plays in a few more NHL games.
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I think the waiver issue was another big part of this. If he was given a chance more than (~8? games), he’s either stuck with the club or lost on waivers.
And that goes back to JFJ and Maurice’s stupidity.
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by PPP on Dec 3, 2009 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
dudes..
this guy likes country music AND is a habs fan (was a habs fan?)…
I already question his on ice abilities…
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there is a francocountry tv station actually.. my neighbours got the “everything you can get on satellite” package and we watch it stoned sometimes, and laugh
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by AkiSchennberg on Dec 3, 2009 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
Incorrect.
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by Brunswick Bruiser on Dec 3, 2009 5:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Eh
It’s all a wash thus far, at least we didn’t trade Jiri for some washed up vet or depth guy coming off a career year.
Still, it looks like Paradis is going to be a project, and the Leafs need help sooner than later. Whether it’s as a checker or a scorer, Tlusty was close to graduating and it stinks that we’ve set the clock back by trading him.
Do we really...
Need help ‘sooner rather than later’?
I’m not sure we do.
Really good looking in real life.
Absolutely. You can’t spend all those years grooming a player into NHL readiness and then give him to someone else to flesh out their roster. Draftees are important, they provide depth at bargain prices and have the possibility to surprise.
Now we’ll have to dip into free agency or waivers for someone unfamiliar with the team’s identity and coaching style when we run a bunch of guys out of town in the offseason.
we got a prospect for a prospect.. just because a player has spent his 3 years in our system doesn’t mean he is an NHL player.. burke obviously thinks tlusty wouldn’t contribute next year for the leafs so we are no worse off than we were, better if this paradis kid works out
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The driver said, "Hey, man, we go all the way. Of course we were willing to pay.
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by AkiSchennberg on Dec 3, 2009 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
They need help sooner than later but it wasn’t going to be Tlusty. The guy had already shown that he could let his focus slip and see his game deteriorate. He was awesome last year in the A but there are a ton of guys who kick serious tail in the AHL (Johnny Pohl anybody?) and never do anything in the NHL.
Picking up a guy who we can control for the next 3 years instead of overpaying OR losing an RFA is fine by me.
Why do we do this to ourselves?
by Kenjamin on Dec 3, 2009 4:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
My thoughts exactly
I really wasn’t ever that high on Tlusty, this move is just fine with me.
Really good looking in real life.
Like him or not, Tlusty had decent size, was fairly responsible, and had a good shot. If he can put up 10 goals in the NHL the year after he’s drafted with Maurice giving him 8 minutes a night, he’s capable of more. You don’t have to be a 30 goal scorer to be worthwhile.
Comparing him to career AHLers like Pohl is a flawed comparison, Tlusty is not an overager.
Fact is, Tlusty will probably be an NHLer. Paradis is a project. It’s a tough deal to like.
This is all contingent on Tlusty producing at the NHL level while playing for Paul Maurice.
You know who was his coach when his NHL development got fucked up? Paul Maurice.
I don’t really have a point other than Paul Maurice is a shitty NHL coach.
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by clrkaitken on Dec 3, 2009 4:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I’m trying to say that production isn’t that important. Tlusty’s as close to the NHL as a 21 year old in the AHL can be, but since he’s beating down the door and projecting for 35 goals in the NHL people are talking like he’s a bust.
He’s a kid with a good tool set, who we’ve been developing and teaching the little parts of the game to. Giving him up for a raw pick who hasn’t shown a glimmer of what Jiri can do is tough to swallow.
Projecting for 35 goals? He had no goals in 14 games last year and he was pointless in 12 of them.
I think some people are over-exaggerating just how good Tlusty was.
by Clawson on Dec 3, 2009 4:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I was done posting when you corrected yourself.
Besides, Jiri hasn’t shown much in the NHL as of yet. You know, the league that matters. I liked him, but he never seemed like he’d be able to break the top 6. Paradis is younger, may have the potential to be top 6 but also has a better skill set for bottom 6 than Tlusty.
this got a rec from me.
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by Karina on Dec 3, 2009 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
To people saying we’d trade Tlusty for a first; well yeah.
But we could have selected people other than Paradis. Normally I hate the “look who was drafted after” thing because hindsight is 20/20 but Carolina picked a guy universally available in the late 40s.
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Tlusty is a minus 7 with 15 points in 19 games.
Deveaux is a minus 1 with 14 points in 20 games.
Is Deveaux the next great Leafs savior now?
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by blurr1974 on Dec 3, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
There are only so many top 6 forward spots. Tlusty does not play the style necessary to play bottom six. I think what we saw today is a mixture of Burke not wanting to/thinking he can re-sign Tlusty and Burke trying to balance out the future Leafs.
I’m not jumping for joy but it’ll be a bit before I pan this deal.
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by PPP on Dec 3, 2009 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly… The following is Brian Burke’s train of thought:
OK, this kid’s contract is up this summer.
Is it worth giving him a raise if I can use the cap space in more effective ways? Maybe.
What kind of compensation will I get if another team signs him? Probably a 3rd or 2nd rounder.
Is that worth more than I can get for him now? Let’s see… nope. I can get a late 1st.
One less contract to worry about.
More flexibility to put players I want on my roster.
Case closed.
Why do we do this to ourselves?
Deveaux could be the third lner the leafs need. Some scoring ability, tough and will drop ‘em but doesn’t fit into a pure goon role like he was forced to last year.
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by The Meatriarchy on Dec 3, 2009 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
Me Too
That first year at least. After that he stunk.
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by PPP on Dec 3, 2009 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
shhh
it’s more fun for us this way
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by Karina on Dec 3, 2009 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
I’m with Arch. I was never really sold on Tlusty. I do think the Leafs gave him a shot. He had several callups but always seemed to end up on the perimeter, and I think it was clear from this year’s training camp that NSFW was not in the team’s plans. Think about it: Tlusty, with his prior NHL experience and with his success in the A last year behind him, got badly outshone at camp by Stalberg, Hanson, Bozak and Kadri at least. Rosehill may be on that list too. That list of guys didn’t have much pro experience as a group, never mind individually. Tlusty still managed to be more or less invisible during camp at a time when the opportunity was presenting itself to him to make the club in a big way. Hell, some folks had him pencilled in on one of the top two lines.
I think this waiver eligibility issue, combined with NSFW’s disappearing act in camp, sealed his fate. Paradis may not amount to anything, but at least we still have potential rather than a player who has failed to impress and is getting too old to wear that prospect label anymore.
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“…getting too old”. It’s in progress. The 8 games of waiver eligibility left means he’s older in player management terms than his real age.
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"But if someone so eager to engage into fist talk, we can always meet after season end in Minsk." (Mikhail Grabovski and a well-meaning but not particularly skillful translator)
Exactly
The Leafs, thanks to JFJ and Maurice, no longer had the luxury of giving him an extended run-out to see what he was worth. Was Tlusty going to sign a 1 year deal this summer? Were the Leafs going to give him an entire season to figure things out with the ice-time and linemates that he needs? Not likely on either count.
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by PPP on Dec 3, 2009 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
This is the naked truth
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Dec 3, 2009 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
Ew, Triple P – cover up yer junk, bro.
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"But if someone so eager to engage into fist talk, we can always meet after season end in Minsk." (Mikhail Grabovski and a well-meaning but not particularly skillful translator)
Then what do we make of Hanson, Bozak and Stalberg?
by PassivelyTruculent on Dec 3, 2009 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
That they don’t have all of the time in the world either.
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by PPP on Dec 3, 2009 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
This. It’s not likely that all three will still be with the Leafs two years from today, IMHO.
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"But if someone so eager to engage into fist talk, we can always meet after season end in Minsk." (Mikhail Grabovski and a well-meaning but not particularly skillful translator)
I hated it when Burke compared them to 1 Round Picks.
by PassivelyTruculent on Dec 3, 2009 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I always thought that was a stretch too…. decent 2nd rounders is more apt.
Why do we do this to ourselves?
Two college free agents and a 6th round pick. If even ONE turns into an NHLer we’re doing good.
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i dont think he was talking stalberg
Bozak, Hanson and Gustavsson probably
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 3, 2009 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, Bozak and Hanson.
Though I’ve heard ppl regard Stalberg as a free agent pick up… morons.
by PassivelyTruculent on Dec 3, 2009 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
it’s hard to give JFJ credit for anything good
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by Karina on Dec 3, 2009 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
Moore? Stalberg? Starlman?
Rask for Ray… wait crap!
by PassivelyTruculent on Dec 3, 2009 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
And now, in the AHL, Tlusty was badly showing up Bozak. Stalberg outshone him and couldn’t do anything in the NHL either. People impress or struggle in camp all the time, it doesn’t mean you give up on 21 year-olds.
Yes, and I said that where? Or maybe you could stop pulling out canned responses and think about things?
The Leafs need more youngsters, they need more developing talent. What they didn’t need was a swap from a mostly developed young guy to an off board, “grit” project.
And you’ll notice that people here aren’t boosting Paradis, because there’s nothing to boost about the kid except his age. It’s just that now Tlusty’s gone people are trying to devalue him. It’s silly.
Not trying to devalue him but trying to figure out why the deal was made. There’s a difference.
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by PPP on Dec 3, 2009 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
Uh huh, saying that he’s not anything more than an AHler and that Maurice had already ruined him aren’t devaluing a prospect, no sir.
It’s obvious why this deal was made on our end, Burke/Wilson didn’t like the kid. Nobody’s asking why Carolina wanted him.
They’re going with the “maybe he needs a change of scenery” argument. It works, sometimes.
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"But if someone so eager to engage into fist talk, we can always meet after season end in Minsk." (Mikhail Grabovski and a well-meaning but not particularly skillful translator)
…and also because he’s a fast skating forward with some size that has shown some scoring talent in the past. They are hoping they can coach him into a regular NHL’er.
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"But if someone so eager to engage into fist talk, we can always meet after season end in Minsk." (Mikhail Grabovski and a well-meaning but not particularly skillful translator)
I would bet he’s up sooner rather than later and he’ll get the rest of the year to play with the Hurricanes and that’s something Toronto couldn’t do. Carolina still has their 1st rounder so they can afford it.
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by PPP on Dec 3, 2009 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
I bet Patrick Dwyer gets dropped and Tlusty gets his 8 minutes a night.
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Yeah
Not sure what role they’ll put him in but you’re probably right until Rutherford moves a forward or they get more injuries.
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by PPP on Dec 3, 2009 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
Well, it’s not what I am trying to do. I don’t speak for all Leaf fans but is it a shock to see people trying to rationalise a deal. We aren’t Burke or Rutherford so we don’t know what they are thinking.
But, it’s not a lie to say that Tlusty was mishandled by JFJ and Maurice, that he had a great shot this camp AND last camp to make the team and didn’t do it, that he stunk in the AHL until he had confidence because of his dad, that he is an RFA this summer that could walk or head to Europe, and that there are more than six players in the system (plus future ones) that hopefully will develop into top six roles and that he could be surplus to requirements.
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by PPP on Dec 3, 2009 4:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec’d.
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"But if someone so eager to engage into fist talk, we can always meet after season end in Minsk." (Mikhail Grabovski and a well-meaning but not particularly skillful translator)
I was hoping the Tlusty would be part of a larger deal used to get some better prospects or picks.
If God didn't want me to eat animals, why did he make them out of meat?
by The Meatriarchy on Dec 3, 2009 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
But I hope what happened is that Burke has been working for a while and found that this was the best deal he was willing to make.
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by PPP on Dec 3, 2009 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
yea, tlusty had become expendable because of his contract situation and the fact that we had other potential top 6 players ahead of him on the depth chart. Combine that with the fact that burke will be planning on adding more NHL caliber talent this summer tlusty would very well find himself on the outside looking in regardless if we made this deal or not. Pretty much, we either would have overpaid for him or lost him for nothing
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
At the same time people are increasing his value.
None of us has seen Paradis play yet, can’t exactly boost him him when you’ve done that.
You said he had 4th line written all over him, and unless you watch a lot random Q league hockey in your spare time, I’m gonna guess that’s a completely unfounded opinion.
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wait, i thought we just traded…..
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 3, 2009 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
You do give up on them if they’ve been given the chance before with the big club and struggled – and don’t impress in camp. Like Tlusty did.
jrwendelman
The Artist Formerly Known as "Junior", who blogs at heroesinrehab.ca/blog
"But if someone so eager to engage into fist talk, we can always meet after season end in Minsk." (Mikhail Grabovski and a well-meaning but not particularly skillful translator)
Who’s his new coach? Paul f’n Maurice.
Has this not registered with anybody? The guy who ruined his career is now charged with saving it!
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That did make me laugh.
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by PPP on Dec 3, 2009 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
…and already making a significant habit of skating around the perimeter and doing nothing, like Jason Blake only bigger. Not to mention the fact that as an asset, his shelf-life was expiring.
jrwendelman
The Artist Formerly Known as "Junior", who blogs at heroesinrehab.ca/blog
"But if someone so eager to engage into fist talk, we can always meet after season end in Minsk." (Mikhail Grabovski and a well-meaning but not particularly skillful translator)
is that your prediction for his 'Canes role?
because Tlusty was 19 getting 4th line minutes with Mo.
With Wilson he couldn’t even crack the line up. Of course, now it’s we gave up on tlusty but at the the time it was seen as keeping him in the AHL for development purposes. After a few sniffs at the bigs, a horrible year in the AHL until a talking to from his father last year, and now an iffy start to his AHL season this year, suddenly he’s just about ready and he’s been given up on too soon.
I have nothing interesting to say.
by blurr1974 on Dec 3, 2009 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
FWIW
Bozak has had the swine flu.
Stalberg got knocked the eff out.
Burke didn’t “give up” on a 21 year old, he turned him into an 18 year old, who you have given up on.
I have nothing interesting to say.
by blurr1974 on Dec 3, 2009 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
that’s been my point.
I have nothing interesting to say.
by blurr1974 on Dec 3, 2009 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
Bozak had H1N1
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Dec 3, 2009 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
Oops should have read further to blurr’s comment. ah well
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Dec 3, 2009 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
Paradis ranks and stats in the Q
105th in goals with 8
105th in assits with 11
88th in points with 19
89th in PIM with 43
350th in +/- with a -3
12.1 shooting % on 66 shots
50% faceoff win
So, uh, yeah….
via http://www.lhjmq.qc.ca/lang_en/index.php?page=72463467&typ=reg
They call me Splodeybones.
Doesn't seem like a hastily conceived trade
So I can only assume that Leafs scouts have had a chance to follow Paradis for a while.
Overtime loss: The new black.
Dear God, that song is on McCown’s show now!
Hang on, seizure coming..
aashjafhfasdfefdfnfffjjfklajf;dkfj;fkjf;kdf
Resident Capologist
what song?
If God didn't want me to eat animals, why did he make them out of meat?
by The Meatriarchy on Dec 3, 2009 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
yarrrgh
If God didn't want me to eat animals, why did he make them out of meat?
by The Meatriarchy on Dec 3, 2009 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
Ok
Now that I have calmed down, I don’t mind this trade. I think I am thinking of Tlusty’s age and draft spot rather than how he performed in the NHL. It’s like when you break up with a girl and remember the good times, not the times you called her a Bitch.
Fairweather fans can go to hell
there can be but one solution
whoever gets to be friends with Paradis on Facebook needs to convince him that he take pictures of his junk and “accidentally” send them to someone with questionable moral values and a need for cash…
I have nothing interesting to say.
by blurr1974 on Dec 3, 2009 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
gotta love the barilskosphere, the guy has been a leaf for 20 minutes and we already know everything about him and have completley disected the trade.
We will already all know everything TSN and sportsnet will tell us at 6:00
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
Actually
We’ve got an NFL game on the network.
Sportsnet has no information on this trade that you can’t read here.
I mean… watch the show
Really good looking in real life.
That’s why we don’t have to watch stupid sports wrap up shows anymore. With their loud music and orange sets and ex players yelling at each other and fugg women announcers with one eyebrow and nasal voices……
If God didn't want me to eat animals, why did he make them out of meat?
by The Meatriarchy on Dec 3, 2009 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t know any of their names I haven’t liked one since Hazel Mae left
If God didn't want me to eat animals, why did he make them out of meat?
by The Meatriarchy on Dec 3, 2009 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
I sat next table over from Hedger at lunch with her significant other not too long ago. That’s a tall couple. Freakishly tall, the both of them.
Overtime loss: The new black.
I ran hot and cold on her but her + Hazel was a pretty good combo
If God didn't want me to eat animals, why did he make them out of meat?
by The Meatriarchy on Dec 3, 2009 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
Atleast tonight you can see Andi P
by PassivelyTruculent on Dec 3, 2009 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
Hopefully she doesn’t have bed head tonight – sometimes she is sizzling other times – yikes!!
If God didn't want me to eat animals, why did he make them out of meat?
by The Meatriarchy on Dec 3, 2009 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
meh
If God didn't want me to eat animals, why did he make them out of meat?
by The Meatriarchy on Dec 3, 2009 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
Lol, I think someone else also said “You don’t have to apologize” earlier in the thread as well, maybe twas you?
YOU WILL APOLOGIZE FOR YOUR APOLOGY!
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 3, 2009 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
It was
People keep apologizing before saying things that aren’t offensive
Really good looking in real life.
Definitely.
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by PPP on Dec 3, 2009 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
It seems to be the Canadian way.
We had this discussion with our prof from Scotland in the pub last night and he found it hilarious how polite we all are.
The Danes have no word for “excuse me”. They couldn’t understand why we said that and “sorry” so often. They just push you out of their way.
We almost started a couple of bar brawls our first week there before we were told.
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by PPP on Dec 3, 2009 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
The Canadian jokes on HIMYM are really lame.
by PassivelyTruculent on Dec 3, 2009 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
The first time in the Hoser Hut when Robin bumps into someone and they apologize is pretty much the only really good one.
And Barney drooling over Tim Hortons.
The comebacks they wright for Robin about Americans are pretty weak.
by PassivelyTruculent on Dec 3, 2009 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
Most American portrayals of Canada are stupid hth
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I’m from Canada and they think I’m slow….eh?
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 3, 2009 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
watch THIS to see how much knowledge average Americans have of Canadians
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Dec 3, 2009 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
I didn’t even have to click the link to know it was Rick Mercer.
by PassivelyTruculent on Dec 3, 2009 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
USA! USA! USA!
We can’t even be bothered to learn about our own country.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Dec 3, 2009 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
“SHRIMP FRIED RICE! SHRIMP FRIED RICE!”
by Its Cold In Here on Dec 3, 2009 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
i’m sorry
I have nothing interesting to say.
by blurr1974 on Dec 3, 2009 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
BANG!
/southern American’d
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by PPP on Dec 3, 2009 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
Louder. And shove him while you yell.
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Also if he doesn’t listen try using a homosexual or middle eastern slur.
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Combine both? You are our American culture connection.
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Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Dec 3, 2009 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
limp camel?
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 3, 2009 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
What if the guy is working at Bed, Bath and Beyond doing stock? I mean… that’s not very offensive.
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Dec 3, 2009 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
we probably know more than they will be willing to say…
I remember when the leafs signed Simon Gamache, and Kipper was comparing him to Simon effin Gagne!! I had to find out more, found a post about the signing here (this was way before I decided to join the conversation, I was a lurker)… I learned everything I needed to know and wrote him off as another likely bust (well, not entirely, but not worth being compared with Gagne)…
This is why they talk about how crazy a hockey market the leafs have… And I love every bit of it!!
...Being surrounded by Sens and Habs fans makes me lose faith in humanity...
I liked Gamache, he looked like he might have potential, not Gagne potential but something
I wish he had more of a shot
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 3, 2009 5:55 PM EST up reply actions
did he get injured or something?? Doesn’t make much sense that he only got, what like 12 games of NHL action??
Plus, he had some crazy ass hair…
...Being surrounded by Sens and Habs fans makes me lose faith in humanity...
leafs waived him, then he signed in the swedish elite league
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 3, 2009 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
Damn, now who will the MLHS commentators throw into trade proposals all willy nilly?
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Good question. Poor guys.
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by PPP on Dec 3, 2009 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
My guess
Bozak
I have nothing interesting to say.
by blurr1974 on Dec 3, 2009 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
Kulemin (I predict he will be gone as well)
If God didn't want me to eat animals, why did he make them out of meat?
by The Meatriarchy on Dec 3, 2009 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
Kulemin’s at least proven he can play a grinder role if his offence doesn’t come around. He’s playing the body and backchecking very well.
Tlusty’s main skill set was that of a scorer, and for whatever reason it wasn’t happening here.
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Methinks Kulemin isn’t tough enough to be a Burke type grinder. But he is far ahead of Wallin in that category
If God didn't want me to eat animals, why did he make them out of meat?
by The Meatriarchy on Dec 3, 2009 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
he is a very well rounded player, i think he’ll find his scoring touch eventually
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 3, 2009 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
Same here. It appears the guy is a slow learner but he’s got the frame and he can put the puck in the net… I think he might end up as a Ponikarovsky-Lite with Lime.
Why do we do this to ourselves?
captian morgans isnt always on time
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 3, 2009 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
This is the Stralman trade again
Similar situation – guy who has talent and got some opportunities to prove himself – displayed they had the talent of a top end at their position but not the consistency. No use having them play at the bottom of the depth chart. Another parallel is they both had expiring eligibility as far as waivers and neither of them were quite good enough to crack the top of the lineup in their position.
Since they were so borderline and in the contract situation they were in, they became expendable and needed to me moved for SOMETHING with possible value. Maybe getting a high second round pick would have been better than this Paradis guy, but who knows.
That’s pretty much all I have to say about this trade – except I wasn’t convinced he could be in our top 6 – even though I am not convinced some of the guys IN our top six should be in our top 6…
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Dec 3, 2009 4:51 PM EST reply actions
It's a purge.
All of the old stale prospects (who we will all some day admit that we were far too high on) are out.
New guys are in.
That’s what happens when you get a new coach and GM in the span of a year and the cap system prevents instant movement.
A slow, painful trickle.
Why do we do this to ourselves?
My only concern is there seems to be more emphasis on getting big body, physical players, as opposed to guys with high skill.
Kessel and Kadri on the other hand are nice addtions
by PassivelyTruculent on Dec 3, 2009 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
Kessel, Kadri, Stalberg, Bozak = High Skill guys.
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by PPP on Dec 3, 2009 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
He did say there would be a mix. It’s easier to get those big body guys because their numbers aren’t as sexy.
Realistically, it makes sense to start with the base of cheap, physical, defensive players and throw the skilled guys in to the mix once the group has been able to gel.
Why do we do this to ourselves?
Whats wrong with getting those kinda guys in free agency rather than through the draft. Physical players are in a huge abundance. The draft is where we should be looking for prospects who may one day bring skill to the big club
by PassivelyTruculent on Dec 3, 2009 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
what’s wrong with doing both?
Paradis isn’t even 20 years old. He’s not going to be a Leaf for a few years. He’s not taking up anybody’s spot…
I have nothing interesting to say.
by blurr1974 on Dec 3, 2009 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
It’s not so much taking up someone’s spot as I love big physical players, I still yearn for the Roberts years.
But why waste a DP on someone you can easily get in free agency for cheap.
by PassivelyTruculent on Dec 3, 2009 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
We didn't really waste a dp..
and this is pretty much the cheapest option
Really good looking in real life.
Wasn’t referring to this trade in particular, mostly about the past draft.
by PassivelyTruculent on Dec 3, 2009 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
because
we have no first rounders for the next two years, and teenagers rarely become free agents (if ever…)
If Burke can’t get a pic, he got a prospect. He found a team who thinks they need more instantaneous help on the cheap, and also thinks Tlusty might pull it together in Carolina.
I have nothing interesting to say.
by blurr1974 on Dec 3, 2009 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
because teams don’t let the good grind guys go.. draper is a decent example of a guy who’s never put up numbers but has been with one of the most successful franchises for years.. he’s a great player but not a skill guy and you sure aren’t going to find one of him in free agency
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The driver said, "Hey, man, we go all the way. Of course we were willing to pay.
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by AkiSchennberg on Dec 3, 2009 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
skill is harder to translate from the lower levels than a big body and physical play
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 3, 2009 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
i knew you’d get my pain
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 3, 2009 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
mostly in his mullet
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 3, 2009 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
He certainly doesn’t look like the most cleanly fellow
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Dec 3, 2009 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
Totally off-topic.
I just found something. And If it’s already been discussed ad noseum then please disregard it…. BUT…
The compensation for an RFA signed to a contract worth 5.2 – 6.5 million is: Two 1sts, one 2nd and one 3rd round pick.
That’s what we paid Kessel….
We actually saved a 3rd rounder in the deal………………
Am I missing something?…
Why do we do this to ourselves?
I think that’s wrong. I though that too but I was pretty sure I found that that was wrong.
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by PPP on Dec 3, 2009 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
Expected
I think that when they announced the actual tables they dropped the 3rd.
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by PPP on Dec 3, 2009 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
clraitken? He knows all….
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by Karina on Dec 3, 2009 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
Eitherway they were going to match the offer, unless we offered something insane like $7M which would costs us 4 1st round DP’s.
by PassivelyTruculent on Dec 3, 2009 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
on further inspection, well, at least it was for a younger guy, and not someone who’s only got a few years left, or someone injury prone.
But man, the jokes….and my birthday buddy…
I’m sure I’ll be OK in a few minutes, just give me some time
THIS IS A JOKE
The real reason Burke Traded Tlusty for Paradis
He felt that Paradis had more Mustache Potential than Tlusty.
The M.P. rating is an important quotient that must not be overlooked
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Dec 3, 2009 5:09 PM EST reply actions
Yeah, I saw a chart the other day that had Paradis listed as “Handlebar” which is way, way better than Tlustly’s “Peachfuzz” rating.
Can it before I drive this truculence through your faceulence and put you in an ambulance.
by Brunswick Bruiser on Dec 3, 2009 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
I'm just a pseudo-Leafs fan, but
I don’t really like this trade. I was under the impression that Tlusty was one of the Leafs’ most promising prospects. So why trade him?
Was he lacking truculence or something?
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by Brad_Richards_Rocks on Dec 3, 2009 5:11 PM EST reply actions
That impression is a bit outdated. He still has potential, but he’s been surpassed in the system by a few others.
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He’s not suited to be a 3rd or 4th line player, and he hadn’t shown he could crack the lineup as a top 6 forward where he is best suited. You can certainly argue whether his development was mishandled, but I think Burke just decided it wasn’t going to work for Tlusty here.
I hope this Paradis kid is good but it will be a while before we know for sure.
leaf fan stuck in ottawa, a localized black hole that will suck everything in that area to oblivion.
Burke’s a man of his word in regards to giving players a shot elsewhere.
It was pretty clear Tlusty was on thin ice when he came to camp out of shape, and expecting a roster spot after a good season with the Marlies.
I’ve seen Paradis play a few times here in Halifax. He’s much better defensively than kids his age, and he’s certainly not afraid to get his nose dirty at both ends of the ice. Great shot, so-so skater, big, strong. Probably one of the better hitters in the Q.
Shawinigan isn’t the strongest defensively if your looking at his plus/minus, which isn’t impressive at first glance, but he’s definitely sound without the puck.
Potential poor man’s Shane Doan, Brendon Morrow if he’s able to polish his offensive game, bottoms out as a 3rd line checker.
Good luck to Tlusty.
Leaf related ulcers, 34 years strong, and growing.
by Halifax Hockey Hooligan on Dec 3, 2009 5:12 PM EST reply actions
wooo, this is some first hand knowledge!! Please don’t tease us with the Shane Doan comparison.
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by Karina on Dec 3, 2009 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
I find this surprising.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Dec 3, 2009 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
Anyone who takes naked pictures of himself and emails them is not lacking in confidence.
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Dec 3, 2009 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
Does Carolina have to move someone out before calling Tlusty up? I wonder if they told him to hang on tight for a few weeks and soon he will get called up and get a real shot at cracking the NHL.
leaf fan stuck in ottawa, a localized black hole that will suck everything in that area to oblivion.
PPP, thanks for the info about Tlusty
I don’t have much to share about Paradis. I just saw him at conditioning camp and he’s a big, solid kid, (but slow). Loves to bang bodies and looked like he has decent hands. needs to work on his skating. Did I say he was a big, solid kid? legs are like tree trunks.
Fans were upset the Canes went after him at 27th in the draft, he was rated much lower. (they could have traded down to get him) But it’s a roll of the dice, they claimed he fit the profile they were looking at.
You might find it funny, according to a local radio interview, Tlusty comes with the high recommendation of Paul Maurice.
laters,
GM of CanesCountry.com
I assumed they got Tlusty because of Maurice.
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by Karina on Dec 3, 2009 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
man, I love this kid, 8 minuites a night for him!
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 3, 2009 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
Cheers
Thanks for that. He’ll get two years in the AHL to develop which is a luxury the Leafs’ didn’t have with Tlusty
Surprised Maurice gives a big thumbs up considering how he used him in Toronto.
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by PPP on Dec 3, 2009 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
I like this trade..
He does have good size, is a good skater, and it is not afraid to go to the tough areas to score goals. He is very responsible defensively, but he also possesses good offensive upside
Plus the guy was one of 7 prospects at the combine to rank AA on upper and lower body fitness.. how is this guy not an attractive prospect?
To anyone basing this on Tlusty’s draft ranking and his.. you are erroneous in your criteria.. draft rankings mean dick all after the draft. The kid was underrated then and now that we’ve seen what both players have done since their respective drafts there would certainly be changes made to their rankings if it were to happen again today.. I for one think this is great.. Tlusty hasn’t progressed very much since entering our system so getting a fresh start with this new kid is all that could be asked of burke (who inherited Tlusty by they way).
Also: skill guys flourish in the Q and have inflated numbers it’s true. If we consider what effect that would have on the numbers of a player who’s defense is a major aspect of the game, we see that the Q would actually mis-represent such a player statistically in a downward direction
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Here's the thing...
From what I just read from our Canes and QMJHL loving friends, Philippe Paradis is not a top 6 forward. He’s big, he likes to bang bodies, and he’s physical.
From what I saw in his time in the league, Jiri Tlusty was probably not cracking the top 6 of this team in the future anyway.
I’m not going to cloud myself into thinking PP is going to be a consistent 20+ goal scorer in 2 years, but doesn’t it stand to reason that he could find a role as a hard working bottom 6 power forward? Don’t you need some of those to build a successful team too? At the very least, better than John Mitchell?
Really good looking in real life.
by Archimedies on Dec 3, 2009 5:33 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
Bingo
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by PPP on Dec 3, 2009 5:34 PM EST up reply actions
As far as the elusive 'Top 6 Forwards' go...
It seems to me that there are only 4 slots up for grabs. Kessel and Kadri are locks, thinking every guy we pick up has a shot at filling those slots is shortsighted.
It takes 12 forwards, not just a top 6.
Really good looking in real life.
yeah, three years down the road who is going to be on the leafs forward corps that we have now?
Kessel, Kadri, Orr are the only probable locks, Kulimen, Stalberg, Hanson and Bozak look like they have a better than average chance of being there but elsewhere?
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 3, 2009 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
I feel outraged that you would say he should be better than John Mitchell. JFM FOREVER!!!!
(also, I am a blank page on this deal…. I am sad that we lost the NSFW jokes but it’ll be a few years before we see the results either way)
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by Karina on Dec 3, 2009 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
I’m still holding out hope for JFM. Not so good this season, but he did well last year…I’m hoping it’s simply a sophomore slump.
jrwendelman
The Artist Formerly Known as "Junior", who blogs at heroesinrehab.ca/blog
"But if someone so eager to engage into fist talk, we can always meet after season end in Minsk." (Mikhail Grabovski and a well-meaning but not particularly skillful translator)
I don’t think his ceiling is that high, but I have fondness for him that is like the flipside of my Stajan hate.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Dec 3, 2009 5:42 PM EST up reply actions
I share your suspicion re: his upside, but kinda hoped we lucked into something good.
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The Artist Formerly Known as "Junior", who blogs at heroesinrehab.ca/blog
"But if someone so eager to engage into fist talk, we can always meet after season end in Minsk." (Mikhail Grabovski and a well-meaning but not particularly skillful translator)
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 3, 2009 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 3, 2009 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
EXCELLENT!
I have nothing interesting to say.
by blurr1974 on Dec 3, 2009 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
don’t tell any Vancouver Giants fans….
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Dec 3, 2009 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
heh, i do feel better now though
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 3, 2009 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
its in the water
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 3, 2009 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
68 pts in 70 games in the WHL is good.
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really?
I didnt see that at all
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 3, 2009 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
JIRI WHO?
Really good looking in real life.
by Archimedies on Dec 3, 2009 5:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
this is the correct response
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Dec 3, 2009 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
MATT STAJAN!
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 3, 2009 5:50 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
WRONG
bad, Jared, BAD!
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Dec 3, 2009 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
hehe
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 3, 2009 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
wow
I just laughed so hard I got dirty looks.
Best ever.
He STILL doesn’t fit into that sweater.
Really good looking in real life.
he’s working those frosted tips!
Brain: The irony of it all, Pinky. Years of trying to take over the world, and all I had to do was say "truculence".
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by blindfolded tank driver on Dec 3, 2009 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
I looked up pictures of Leaf rookies and there was no way I could NOT use that picture, it is too amazing
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 3, 2009 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
I just loved that he was Jiri NSFW and wore #11…. has there been a more appropriate number for an NHLer?
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Dec 3, 2009 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
Goodbye NSFW. We saw too much yet too little. Bring on the new kid.
Brain: The irony of it all, Pinky. Years of trying to take over the world, and all I had to do was say "truculence".
Follow me I'm Boring!
by blindfolded tank driver on Dec 3, 2009 5:52 PM EST reply actions
Uh oh...
What if his middle name is Pierre?? Those initials are going to cause some confusion.
Why do we do this to ourselves?
IT IS A SIGN FROM THE GODS
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 3, 2009 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
HOLY CRAP
we must find this out IMMEDIATELY!
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Dec 3, 2009 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
wow, the wiki is already updated with him being on the leafs
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 3, 2009 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
so far no indication of a middle name, but he’s french Canadian, they love multiple names
Brain: The irony of it all, Pinky. Years of trying to take over the world, and all I had to do was say "truculence".
Follow me I'm Boring!
by blindfolded tank driver on Dec 3, 2009 6:01 PM EST up reply actions
wow....
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 3, 2009 6:04 PM EST up reply actions
check this: another Paradis plays guitar in a band called Fallen Leaves!
Brain: The irony of it all, Pinky. Years of trying to take over the world, and all I had to do was say "truculence".
Follow me I'm Boring!
by blindfolded tank driver on Dec 3, 2009 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
Now that's just coincidental
"Luke Schenn is Stronger than Strength."
Truculence is Everything: A Toronto Maple Leafs Blog of Varying Opinions of Anger.
i bet they change the name to Fallen Leafs!
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 3, 2009 6:08 PM EST up reply actions
UHM
I feel like a dirty old woman but…… yum.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Dec 3, 2009 6:06 PM EST reply actions
he kinda looks like a more swarthy J-Bo
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 3, 2009 6:08 PM EST up reply actions
Ok a few points about Paradis and his numbers
1. Shawinigan this season is a rookie heavy team – they have 15 of them to go with 13 veteran players. They’ve been losing games REALLY badly. Like 10-1, or 7-0, or 7-1. They don’t play very well defensively as a team, and their goaltenders haven’t been that great either.
2. Considering the fact that his team has given up the most goals of any in the top 10, it’s not surprising he has a -3 rating. They also have the 7th best offense of any team in the top 10, so they aren’t shooting the lights out either exactly.
3. The Q is full of overage players… he isn’t 2 millionth in scoring in the Q, he’s 26th amongst players under the age of 19. The top 18 year old scorer only has 33 points in 26 games, and only 7 players in the top 50 who are under 19 are scoring at better than a point per game…. relax on the scoring thing.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
this makes me feel much better about the trade, i might copy and paste this on every Leafs message board that is blasting the trade now
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 4, 2009 9:58 AM EST up reply actions
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