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"I had interviews with many NHL clubs. But I was surprised when I came into Toronto's office. Their general manager was sitting there. I thought that some regular questions [would be asked]. But he tossed a candy on the table and said ‘If you take it you will be a millionaire, the best hockey player in the world, would win five Stanley Cups and two Olympics. But when you're 30 you will most likely have an accident. If you don't take it, you will live until you're 100, but would be an average player.'"

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OK, I know we’re supposed to read this and think “Wow, those wacky Leafs and their crazy draft interview questions”, but… does anyone else think this is just dumb?

I’ve heard about the Leafs using this question in the past, and that they believe that “I would take the pill, become a great player, and die at 30” is the right answer.

Does that just seem completely ridiculous, especially in the modern era of PEDs, concussions, etc? I like heart-and-soul competitive guys as much as anyone, but somebody who would be willing to die to win a Cup isn’t a competitor, they’re an idiot. And the Leafs shouldn’t be screening for idiots.

Maybe I’ve got it wrong. Maybe “take the pill” is the wrong answer for Toronto. I really hope so. And if not, let’s hope Burke gets rid of this nonsense.

</whiny rant>

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by Down Goes Brown on Dec 4, 2009 4:25 PM EST reply actions  

i was just talking baout this in the Clark on Twitter thread, it makes no sense to me either.

What the hell was fletcher thinking? Also, are you implying that the elafs have used this more than once? If so, than dear lord…..

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by Matt_Roberts on Dec 4, 2009 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Also, are you implying that the leafs have used this more than once?

I’ve heard about the question being asked by the Leafs before. I thought it was prior to this year’s draft but maybe I have it wrong and they only asked it once.

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by Down Goes Brown on Dec 4, 2009 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

A lot of people use this question.

by Leaf in Habland on Dec 4, 2009 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Meh

I see it as a question about ambition. Do you want to be the best even though it will be difficult? Or are you willing to settle for average because it’s easy.

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by PPP on Dec 4, 2009 4:36 PM EST up reply actions  

But it’s not about being the best even though it’s difficult. It’s about being the best by taking some magic pill that makes you better than everyone else, without having to work any harder.

That’s a good thing for a prospect to want?

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by Down Goes Brown on Dec 4, 2009 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

It doesn’t have anything to do with a ‘pill’ or something. Its like the matrix, the pill doesn’t make Neo any better or anything, its just a metaphorical choice i.e. are you willing to work as hard as fuck to be the best, even if it comes at a price?

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by Shield on Dec 4, 2009 6:40 PM EST up reply actions  

whoa

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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 4, 2009 6:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Orrr

Like achilles decision to go to Troy (honestly haven’t done anything with the Illad since first year, going by the movie on this one), where his mom is like "if you stay, you will live a long and happy life; if you go your name will live on forever but I will never see you again (aka you die).

So basically its about the choice of whether you really want to be an NHL star and do what it takes, or are a Wellwooder who has talent but are just playing hockey because you are good.

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by Shield on Dec 4, 2009 6:51 PM EST up reply actions  

“Wellwooder”. Pretty sure you just made up a new metaphor. Nice work.

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by Sergei Puckizin on Dec 4, 2009 7:32 PM EST up reply actions  

When Odysseus visits the shade of Achilles in Hades, it seems to me that Achilles was seriously revisiting that decision….

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by 1967ers on Dec 4, 2009 11:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Erroneous!

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by Shield on Dec 5, 2009 10:34 AM EST up reply actions  

living to 100 may be easy for Cliffy, not so much for the rest of us…

I have nothing interesting to say.

by blurr1974 on Dec 4, 2009 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s quite possibly the stupidest question I’ve ever heard. If the Leafs draft based on this, we don’t deserve to win a damned thing.

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by 1967ers on Dec 4, 2009 11:32 PM EST up reply actions  

it is actually a very telling question, when paired with many other, different questions of course.

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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 4, 2009 11:34 PM EST up reply actions  

The only answer I see from it is – is this kid a steroid risk?

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by 1967ers on Dec 4, 2009 11:36 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

well the thing is, it isnt a yes or no, A or B answer, you get the kids answer, then you ask him why. You can find if he is a glory hog, you can find if he values his team, his city, or if he just wants to see his name in lights

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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 4, 2009 11:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I’ve given a lot of interviews over the years. I never resort to this sort of nonsense and I haven’t made a single hire I’ve regretted.

I don’t think this question gets you any closer to a real sense of the kid. He’ll either think the question is nonsense or try to give the answer he thinks you want to hear.

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by 1967ers on Dec 4, 2009 11:43 PM EST up reply actions  

in the field im in, i get asked a LOT of questions like these, and that is the answer i was given on a question VERY similar to this one by a police psychologist. Im taking his word on it

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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 4, 2009 11:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Pick the red pill! Pick the red pill!

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by T is for Truculence on Dec 4, 2009 4:40 PM EST reply actions  

Here’s a reference to the Leafs asking essentially the same question at the 2008 draft:

http://www.faceoff.com/hockey/nhlnews/story.html?id=7e26f5eb-fee2-4182-a724-be259c1d8cad

(Note that in this version, taking the pill means a 50/50 chance of dying. Either they’ve toned it down to “have an accident”, or Filatov just lost something in the translation.)

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by Down Goes Brown on Dec 4, 2009 4:42 PM EST reply actions  

Questionable questions

The Toronto Maple Leafs had goalie Thomas McCollum, who went to the Red Wings with the 30th overall pick, bewildered in their pre-draft interview when they asked him, “If there was a magic pill and you took it and could win the Calder, Vezina, Stanley Cup and have a long career, but there was a 50-50 chance you’d die by the time you were 35 years old, would you take it?” McCollum said yes.

When you’re only 18, 35 seems years away. The Red Wings weren’t that tricky with their questions. And judging by their draft record, he’s probably a good one.

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by Down Goes Brown on Dec 4, 2009 4:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Wasn’t Filatov drafted in 2008? This would be the same occurence then, not another one…

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by blurr1974 on Dec 4, 2009 4:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, you’re right, for some reason I was thinking he was picked this year.

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by Down Goes Brown on Dec 4, 2009 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

doesn’t make it any less ridiculous though…

I have nothing interesting to say.

by blurr1974 on Dec 4, 2009 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

No, but I’d feel a lot better about it if it was a one-time thing.

Kind of makes sense that it would be Fletcher, actually… it’s sort of an old school question to ask.

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by Down Goes Brown on Dec 4, 2009 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

also

makes sense that its the silver fox.. common knowledge that he dresses up in a black trenchcoat and acts out the fight scenes from the matrix in slow mo during leaf games up in the box

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by AkiSchennberg on Dec 4, 2009 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

The big question is, does Fletch wear Depends under the black trenchcoat?

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by kidkawartha on Dec 4, 2009 5:31 PM EST up reply actions  

at least it was an offer of candy from a desk, not an unmarked van

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by loser domi on Dec 4, 2009 8:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Thats a wierd question, who asked that? JFJ or Fletcher

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by LeafFan1989 on Dec 4, 2009 5:05 PM EST reply actions  

Fletcher.

JFJ would have eaten the candy. With the wrapper still on it.

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by Down Goes Brown on Dec 4, 2009 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

And then immediately demand to know why Filatov stole his candy.

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by JohnnyG on Dec 4, 2009 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

And the “candy” would have been a urinal mint.

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by jrwendelman on Dec 4, 2009 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

He then attempted to trade the promise of future candy for an eighth round pick from San Jose but it didn’t get board approval. Subsequently they took JFJ’s bag of worther’s

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by blindfolded tank driver on Dec 4, 2009 5:18 PM EST up reply actions  

JFJ doesn’t trade for picks.. even imaginary 8th rounders.. he might have traded it for the rights to robert reichel and jason allison though

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by AkiSchennberg on Dec 4, 2009 7:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Brian Burke refuses to draft any kid that doesn’t respond with:

“I’ll take the glory and punch death in his fucking face.”

by Clawson on Dec 4, 2009 5:20 PM EST reply actions  

Clearly that was Luke Schenn’s answer.

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by Brad Ackerson on Dec 4, 2009 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Makes me wonder, What DID Luke answer to that question. As in details not just take it or leave it. I would assume there’d be a followup question.

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by LeafFan1989 on Dec 4, 2009 6:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Luke ate the candy, let out a manly belch and said
“next question”

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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 4, 2009 6:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Perhaps…
“Screw the candy, I don’t need it I can do all of those things on me own”

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by JohnnyG on Dec 4, 2009 7:29 PM EST up reply actions  

The whole idea of asking that question is absolutely moronic

There’s so much that goes behind that sort of decision – plus why you would think any 18 year old prospect would take such a question seriously is beyond me.

Obviously it’s not a REAL choice, so you pick the one you think they WANT you to pick… irrespective of what you actually would choose. On top of that, what difference does that choice make to the Leafs when selecting prospects? An untalented 18 year old would pick the same thing as a supremely talented one… why is that the dividing line?

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by Steve Burtch on Dec 4, 2009 8:06 PM EST reply actions  

I think Fletcher just had an extra candy and Filatov’s breath was bad…

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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Dec 4, 2009 8:12 PM EST up reply actions  

its one of those not what you choose but how you justify your choice questions. doesnt matter if you pick A or B but why you picked A or B

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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 4, 2009 8:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I actually had an interview where they asked the “why are manhole covers round?” thing.

The look of disappointment on the interviewer’s face when I knew the correct answer was priceless.

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by 1967ers on Dec 4, 2009 11:34 PM EST up reply actions  

so they fit on the round holes!

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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 4, 2009 11:38 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s for safety. A circle is the only shape that can’t accidentally be dropped through it’s own hole.

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by 1967ers on Dec 4, 2009 11:44 PM EST up reply actions  

So why are pucks round?

And would Blake do better with square pucks?

by not norm ullman on Dec 4, 2009 11:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Safety again. Well, partly. Balls were uncontrollable. The bevelled edge was a safety thing to keep guys from getting cut to ribbons by sharp edges of frozen rubber.

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by 1967ers on Dec 4, 2009 11:55 PM EST up reply actions  

well duh
mines right too though

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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 4, 2009 11:49 PM EST up reply actions  

really?

That’s very interesting.
I would have gone with Jared’s answer :)

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by PPP on Dec 5, 2009 8:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Methinks some of you are putting too much emphasis on one question.

Is it a bit of a moronic question? Ya, sure. But any individual question out of any psychological test can be construed as moronic. No doubt this was just one of many questions, in order to as accurately as possible decipher his intention to compete in the best league in the world. It probably stood out in his mind because it may have been the most ridiculous of the bunch.

But in today’s sports, any team is looking for any edge. These types of questions, while obviously not without fault, are just another tool to use. Perhaps it’s not even as simple as yes or no, but an off the board question that would be best.

I think to judge it without context or on it’s own is just as pointless as asking this question without any others.

by lordosis on Dec 4, 2009 8:15 PM EST reply actions  

Definitely. They’re not looking for a flat yes or no here. It’s an essay question. They’re looking for the reasons and thinking behind the answer. Even if you say no, it’s why you answer that way that they’re interested in.

One question out of many. One piece of information out of many.

Anyway, imagine asking that to Grabbo…

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by article1 on Dec 5, 2009 1:19 AM EST up reply actions  

What, no pined apples?

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by loser domi on Dec 5, 2009 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

They tried to use this approach in Montreal

but tossing candy around might have been offensive to the members of the Lollipop Guild.

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by Brunswick Bruiser on Dec 4, 2009 10:47 PM EST reply actions  

And what did you do?

“I took the candy…”

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by sleza on Dec 5, 2009 6:14 AM EST reply actions  

According to this article, the “magic pill” question was still being used this year. It mentions Brayden Schenn being asked about it, although it doesn’t actually say whether it was the Leafs or some other team.

Schenn said no, by the way. Good kid.

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by Down Goes Brown on Dec 5, 2009 9:02 AM EST reply actions  

I thought the whole point of questions like that was to catch them off guard so they don’t give you the answer that they’ve been coached to give by their agents. If you ask all the same questions as everyone else you get the same answers because all the prospects are prepared for them. If you ask a stupid question, it catches them off guard and you get a real, non-rehearsed answer that hopefully tells you something about them as a person, not necessarily whether or not they’d take a candy and be great.

by Screaming Will on Dec 5, 2009 9:24 AM EST reply actions  

yep

it’s the why manhole covers are round and why there’s fuzz on a tennis ball type question

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by loser domi on Dec 5, 2009 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Well the manhole covers one was used by Microsoft to test for an applicants though process.

But I think the questions after the player decides is what they get judged most on (their reasoning, etc.)

Wasn’t Richard Peddie asked something along the lines of: “Would you rather win the Stanley cup and suck for 10 years, or make the playoffs for 10 years?” he answered, “make the playoffs for 10 years” and someone jumped on him for picking the “wrong” answer?

by PassivelyTruculent on Dec 5, 2009 4:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes

It’s a fanshot here somewhere.

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