Islanders at Leafs
by Chemmy on Dec 9, 2009 10:54 AM EST
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Yesterday we wrote that Chris Pronger would bring a mean streak that Team Canada needs in the Olympics and last night Chris Pronger lived up to his billing by drilling Tavares into the glass from behind. Pronger received a two minute penalty and Tavares lost one of his front teeth so that he can now rock the Dany Heatley look.
No one from the Islanders started a fight with Pronger. No one on their team stood up to a guy who intentionally drilled their star player, their 19 year old wunderkid. Let's hope that streak continues for tonight, because I watched an Islanders team put their tail between their legs last night when faced with physical play. The Leafs don't have Carter, Richards, Briere, Giroux and Van Riemsdyk, but we've got Phil Kessel and a mean streak. Let's make this an unpleasant game for a team that was banged up before last night.
Martin Biron started last night but got torched by the Flyers so I'm guessing we'll see Dwayne Roloson in net tonight. This will be a good chance for the Leafs to exorcise the demons of last week's soul crushing loss to Roloson. I'd say "the Islanders" but that wouldn't be very accurate.
Toskala should be starting for the Leafs, he played very well in the Atlanta game before our defense gave up in the third once the game was well out of hand. However the Leafs play in Boston tomorrow so Joey MacDonald might get the start to save Toskala for tomorrow night. I don't like any of these scenarios to be honest. With Toskala I feel like he plays well just long enough to make you say "oh, maybe I was too harsh" before he shits the bed in a spectacular soul crushing display of aloof ineptitude.
The preview's up early today because we're going to have a bunch of content this afternoon so stay tuned. Remember your SPG picks, check out the excellent Lighthouse Hockey (where we'll make a 2nd period field trip tonight) for Islanders coverage and go Leafs go!
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Wooooooo! Field Trip!
Although Im stuck at work, so I’ll be listening to the game on the radio…. which means I won’t really be around the thread anyways….. Damn.
Life as a Toronto Sports Fan?... *sigh*... It is what it is...
Field trip to Long Island?
Why can’t we ever go anywhere nice?
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cause we break things and someone always pukes on the carpet
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 9, 2009 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
Shucks
Can you at least take us over to the Hamptons if we behave?
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by FiftyMissionCap on Dec 9, 2009 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
dont look at me, im just in charge of getting the keg, you gotta talk to the overlords, they plan the parties
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 9, 2009 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
Better depart early
Traffic getting in and out is a beast.
But for puking: You’ll enjoy our recently installed carpet with VomitGuard™.
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Long island can be nice, but you basically have to go as far away from Nassau as possible.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Dec 9, 2009 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
Is Roloson starting?
‘cause I don’t wanna relive that game from a while back…
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Martin Biron started last night but got torched by the Flyers so I’m guessing we’ll see Dwayne Roloson in net tonight.
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by David Danforth on Dec 9, 2009 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
With that in mind...
REVENGE!
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by Marc Pilgrim on Dec 9, 2009 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
Note: Toskala’s unconfirmed.
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not sure if this confirms it or not…
Until getting shelled early in the Boston game, Joey MacDonald had thrust himself into the goaltending picture, in the absence of recovering rookie Jonas Gustavsson and the hot n’ cold Vesa Toskala. Against the Thrashers and in front of fickle home fans, Toskala was on his best behaviour and earned the start Wednesday.
I have nothing interesting to say.
If Pronger touches Kessel, Orr will widen the gap in his face
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 9, 2009 11:09 AM EST reply actions
um
we’re playing the Islanders, not Flyers.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
i know, i ment EVENTUALLY
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 9, 2009 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
heh, yeah
no way Orr makes team canada
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 9, 2009 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
I wonder who Burke will for at for truculence on Team USA.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
Komi!
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 9, 2009 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
yep
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Dec 9, 2009 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
Komi’s better when he’s concentrating on being a defenseman.
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who cares in the olympics, as long as he doesnt get hurt
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by Matt_Roberts on Dec 9, 2009 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
ding ding ding
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 9, 2009 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
id also rather have him going nuts and protecting Kessel from Pronger than stopping Nash from scoring
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 9, 2009 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
if kessel gets hurt in the olympics ill freak
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by Matt_Roberts on Dec 9, 2009 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
If Mike Richards gets beaten up by Komi, then it’s even better
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Dec 9, 2009 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
anyone have a link to some video of pronger smoking tavares?
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by Matt_Roberts on Dec 9, 2009 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
I believe you mean cheap-shotting Tavares but then again this is Pronger you are talking about…perhaps you are right.
The Whole Foods grocery store (headquarters in Austin, TX) near me has announced that they have an outdoor rink on top of their building. I want to see how they get the Zamboni up there...
It’s nice to know that if someone intentionally cheapshots our superstar someone will beat them up. The thing is even before Orr guys like Schenn and Mayers would answer the call even if they got their asses kicked.
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Point is; if someone hit Kadri like Tavares got hit I want there to be a total shitshow.
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and that's a good thing
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 9, 2009 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
With Toskala I feel like he plays well just long enough to make you say “oh, maybe I was too harsh” before he shits the bed in a spectacular soul crushing display of aloof ineptitude.
This quote is gold.
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Going to the game tonight, is anyone else? If you are, we should meet at stans for a beer
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Sec 307 row 9, there is a new bar near the ice box. that would probably be a better spot rather than fighting our way back upstairs
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I am interested in your ideas and would like to subscribe to your proposal.
Email me at junior ( at ) heroesinrehab.ca and we can make a plan…
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Okee dokee.
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"But if someone so eager to engage into fist talk, we can always meet after season end in Minsk." (Mikhail Grabovski and a well-meaning but not particularly skillful translator)
"I don't like any of these scenarios to be honest."
Seriously.
Toskala was good vs Atlanta and can’t really be blame for his part in the Boston debacle.
But I sitll don’t trust him. We needs wins right now. Not moral victories, positives signs, or anything else. Wins!
This Islanders game is completely winnable, and I guess Toskala is our best NHL goalie at the moment, so I say start with him. Worry about Boston later.
The sooner the Monster is back, the better.
the likely hood of Roloson having another game like the last is pretty low, but you never know
Tavares is coming of a 2 goal game and will be past his first game at home jitters, he’s the one im worried about, i hope Beauchemin gets him as an assignment
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 9, 2009 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
Updates from ESPN (i know...i know)
- Toronto Maple Leafs GM Brian Burke set a self-imposed trade deadline — and that’s today. So there may be a deal coming soon, unless he wants to wait until after the holiday trade freeze is over — it starts Dec. 19 and ends Dec. 29.
- Anaheim Ducks GM Bob Murray has been entertaining “numerous trade scenarios,” according to The Fourth Period. Teams have asked about the availability of Bobby Ryan and Scott Niedermayer, but it appears Ryan isn’t going anywhere while Niedermayer may be trade bait. The Ducks might also be talking about a trade with the Toronto Maple Leafs. Murray was spotted by TFP’s David Pagnotta at the Thrashers-Leafs game, while Leafs scouts have been spotted at previous Ducks games. Two names that keep coming up in Ducks trade talks are Joffrey Lupul and Jean-Sebastien Giguere, so those guys may be moved at some point this season. Though the Leafs will likely stay away from Giguere, Lupul might be the guy they’re after.
Thoughts on Lupul...
is he any good? I don’t really pay attention to the Ducks, so I have no idea.
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by Marc Pilgrim on Dec 9, 2009 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
The Joff?
Say it ain’t so.
A decent 2nd line option, but a perimeter shooter who’s pillow soft. I’d be VERY surprised if that’s a Burke player.
If there’s anything true about the Anaheim rumours, I bet Ryan is the guy BB wants. That’s a kid he decided was the 2nd best option behind Crosby in his draft year, remember.
Also, if you looked up “brian burke type player” in the dictionary, you might find a photo of Ryan Getzlaf. Not that that is going to happen.
If we try to go for Ryan
what are we gonna have to give up? I’d imagine we’d have to trade a prospect or a guy like Schenn.
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by Marc Pilgrim on Dec 9, 2009 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
Bobby Ry is DEFIANTLY on Burkes radar, but the only way the Ducks let him walk is if he has made it clear he isnt signing for them.
and he’d still fetch at least what Kessel did
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 9, 2009 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
Pie in the Sky
There’s no way we get Bobby Ryan unless we give up Schenn + something decent.
Granted, it might be worth it. But I don’t think BB will be eager to trade away a young defenceman who he hinted at being the captain-in-waiting last year.
I would be ecstatic but I am not anticipating it in the least.
Why do we do this to ourselves?
yeah, the least damaging package to the Leafs future for Ryan I can think of involves Kaberle plus, and thats still pretty bad
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 9, 2009 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
i dont
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 9, 2009 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
I am totally OK with trading Bozak if the right deal comes along. He’s probably blocked in by both Grabovski and Kadri, along with anyone else the Leafs could possibly sign in the summer.
honestly, I’ll be very surprised if Kadri is in the NHL next year.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
i think he might get a sniff, but I would be VERY surprised if he stuck
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 9, 2009 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
ditto
he ain’t big enough yet, if nothing else.
I’m still not sure he’ll crack the WJC team based on his stats this year.
dude, Kadri has been on an absolute tear, has jumped more than 15 spots on the OHL scoring board in less than 2 weeks.
Not to mention Hodgson is out
Kadri is all but a lock for the WJC
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 9, 2009 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
we will see i guess
i noticed he jumped up the boards recently.
I guess Hodgson being out helps his case, yes. I just hoped he would come out on an absolute tear, now that TAvares was gone, and make it HIS team.
Regardless, I’m not penciling him in for NHL action next year. He doesn’t have the size and endurance yet.
Kadri was a lock last year and got hurt
He also brings some much needed attitude and jam to go along with his skill that players like Hall and Seguin lack
I would be absolutly shocked if he didnt make it
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 9, 2009 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
I’m expecting Kadri to be the first line center actually.
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oh me too, I just dont think Ryan adds up to the sum of the parts he gets traded for in that deal
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 9, 2009 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
Kadri is no lock for next year. In fact, I’d be perfectly fine with letting him develop in the minors if he’s eligible for another year.
Bozak hasn’t exactly set the world on fire yet, and I know it’s due to health/injuries, but I don’t get the sense his value is all that high. Hanson or Stalberg are probably worth more right now.
I have nothing interesting to say.
Kadri better play in London next year.
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kadri will be pissed if hes in london again next year… he would be an overager no?
wouldnt the marlies be a good option to try and get him used to the pro style?
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
they might go the Stephanovich route and give him some time with the Marlies then send him back if he doesnt stick, but that was more because stephano was very meh
next year he is either a leaf or a knight
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 9, 2009 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
I trust Burke and the scouts/coaches to make the right call for him.
I don’t think it’s been said yet, but I’ve noticed that when Kadri got off to a slow start, Burke went and visited him in London. Since then, Kadri’s torn it up in the O. I wonder what BB said….
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That would make him an overager, I think… and overagers tend to be guys who are fringe NHL prospects at best.
Most likely he plays for the Marlies, which I think would be the right place for him next year.
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From what I've found
the OHL age limit is 16-20, with the Tavares rule for exceptional players allowing some 15 year olds. I can’t find anything on the Q, so i’m not sure if they’re the same or not.
Kadri just turned 19. He’ll still be 19 when the next OHL season kicks off. Not sure he’d qualify as an overager.
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Yeah I’m not sure of the exact rules or age cutoff (I’ll probably look at it at some point but just don’t feel like doing it now).
I would think he has nothing to learn by playing in the O again next season, but we shall see.
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/puts on HockeyBuzz cap
Schenn+Kabby+Toskala+Hagman for Giguere+Lupul+Ryan+Marchant.
that’s $13.275 coming to the Leafs in all non-expiring contracts, save Ryan who’d be due a BIG pay raise (meaning Lupul, Marchant and Giggy through 2011) and $14.225M to the Ducks, with Toskala’s $4M expring at the end of the season, leaving the Ducks with $10.225M on the books. However, Niedermeyer is on his last year, and if his $6+M comes off the books, the Ducks have massive amounts of cap space…
/takes off HockeyBuzz hat
that will never happen.
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I could see either Lupul or Giggy coming to the Leafs for lesser than market value.
Lupul is streaky but can absolutly light it up when he is on and given the shots.
Giggy is expensive and would warrent Toskala going the other way, he also only has one more year after this on his deal. Next year when the Leafs are (hopefully) in a season long playoff drive he will be fighting for a job
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 9, 2009 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
do you really want a $6 million goalie
“fighting for a job?”
Depending on how this year plays out, to me, 2010-2011 will be the year of Gustavsson, backed up by an NHL veteran making about $1 million.
Jiggy = Do Not Want.
oh I don’t want it, I’m just saying he might be an option for Burke, especially if he can work it out as a salary dump (remember all the firsts the ducks have now?)
and i’d love to have a goalie that was at one point fighting for a job. Because then Gustavsson would also have to fight
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 9, 2009 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
i'm not necessarily against it either
But $6 million is a lot of money in real dollars, and in cap space.
I think Jiggy is a very good goalie, but you just can’t be paying a guy $6 million unless he’s your No 1 guy for sure — why do you think Anaheim is trying to trade him?
I could maybe see it working if the idea is to get a legit No 1, and slowly work Jonas into that role by 2012, 2013 or so? (he is still fairly young and has undeniable health question marks)
So if the tandem next year is Jiggy and Jonas, that’s, what, $8M in net? $3M more than this year, which means thats $3M less they have to spent on upgrading the scoring forwards.
On the other hand, the UFA forward crop doesn’t impress me anyway, so maybe they should go this route. I dunno. I could go all day on this.
On the other hand, the UFA forward crop doesn’t impress me anyway, so maybe they should go this route. I dunno. I could go all day on this.
And that could be the reason to do it.
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by David Danforth on Dec 9, 2009 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
MARLEAU!
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 9, 2009 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
hilariously
I think there’s a decent chance that on July 1st, the best UFA forward will be Olli Jokinen. In which case I want Brian Burke to unplug his phone and watch the “Family Guy” marathon on Teletoon.
That’s a Brian Campbell/Jason Blake/Alexei Yahin contract waiting to happen.
haha
oh man if he gets a long term, high money contract, I’ll die of laughter.
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book it
because he absolutely will.
Scarcity creates value. All you need to do is be the best guy available. Every year, a team comes out and decides they need the best UFA centre available. There is a fixed amount of money to go around, so your value as a UFA depends on the crop of talent around you, and the cap in that particular year. To a lesser extent, individual team needs.
At least, that’s how the NHL cap has worked so far.
july 1 deals are never bargains
they may not all be awful, but i cant think of anuy signed in this capped NHL that could be qualified as “value”
At the very least, you’re paying market price. Worst case, scenario, you’re getting Olli Jokinen at $6.5M a year until 2015
I was surprised by the Beauchemin contract. Not a deal but certainly not overpayment for a guy who can log 25+ without breaking a sweat.
Figuratively of course…
Why do we do this to ourselves?
if beauchemin plays the way he has the past 5 games the rest of the (the washington game balances out the bruins one) then he is a great deal for a top pairing capable defenseman
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 9, 2009 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
that's my point
perhaps not a horrid overpayment on beauch, but certainly not a bargain. I cant think of a Jul 1 deal that made me say “wow, Team A got Player B for that cheap?”
chemmy convinced me
i hope Burke signs jokinen to a 2 year 3.5-4 mill deal, then he gets redic PP time and soft minuites so he lights it up and then gets dropped at the deadline
PUMP AND DUMP
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 9, 2009 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
exactly
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 9, 2009 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
is there someone more in the Guerin, Wight or Tkachuck category? older vet with value who is only looking for a 1 or 2 year deal?
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
no
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 9, 2009 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
yes
2 years would be perfect. But someone will offer him longer.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
yah, but i see no problem in Burke throws his hat into that ring. If someone throws a bigger, stupider hat, they can take him
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 9, 2009 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
Nope
Teams will have already spent their cap space. Unless it’s a ridiculously cheap contract (even below the no way in hell happening $4M level) the Leafs will be stuck with him for the duration of his contract which also won’t be 2 years long.
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by David Danforth on Dec 9, 2009 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
Giggy has actually been pretty good since he signed his deal. He faltered in the 2nd half last season, but that was after his dad passed away. Other than that, he’s been a consistent winning goaltender with a +.900 SV%. The Leafs could certainly do worse. If they sent someone like Hagman or Finger to Anaheim (someone who has at least a year left on his deal), it would only mean taking on an extra 3 million or so for next season.
Plus, he’s going to be in a contract year next season. BAM!
Giggy is an elite goaltender.
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by David Danforth on Dec 9, 2009 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
.920 SV%
Imagine what the Leafs record would be like with that kind of keeper…
I have nothing interesting to say.
he is also very consistent (usually)
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 9, 2009 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
I saw a tweet earlier this am from a reporter saying he was told the chance of Burke making a move today was “none.”
I have nothing interesting to say.
Oh man
Ask an Oilers fan about Joffrey Zoolander and prepare to lose the next 4 hours of your life hearing about how he’s good if he plays pillow soft minutes and tonnes of PP time but nothing else.
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by David Danforth on Dec 9, 2009 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
so he is Rob Schremp the first generation?
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 9, 2009 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
I dunno, Lupul has actually stuck in the NHL
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 9, 2009 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
Skates like shit too
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by David Danforth on Dec 9, 2009 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
wow, he doesnt even have an NHL goal yet
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 9, 2009 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
In the dictionary, next to the definition of “Douche”, is a picture of Rob Schremp.
Why do we do this to ourselves?
you can get in a lot of NSFW trouble
doing a search for “pictures” and “Rob Shremp”
Shoot me if we trade for Lupul. $4.25M for the next three years for a guy who hasn’t cracked 50 points in 5 years? Same thing for Giguere. We don’t have THAT much cap space. My faith in Burke will be shaken to the core if he takes either of these contracts unless there’s a king’s ransom of picks and players to make it worthwhile to take that kind of ballast.
by The '67 Sound on Dec 9, 2009 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
if it is say Giggy and a first (probably phillys) for Finger and toskala or something i could live with that (note, im aware how one sided that is, its just an example)
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 9, 2009 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
honestly, I’m not convinced that having that much money tied up in a goalie is ever a good idea, no matter who he is.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
for one more season, I don’t mind it. unless he won us the cup or carried the team to it, he wont get that much next go round
again, it would hinge on what other moves Burke has planned with resignings and FAs
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 9, 2009 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
THIS
I’m solidly in the camp that unless you are SURE you are getting a guy who can be penciled in as a Vezina candidate virtually every year, do NOT blow the bank on goaltending. There’s always NHL average goaltending on the free agent wire in September. It’s also such a head-case job that hinges on a fine line, so you never know what you’re getting.
Goalies I would throw more than $5-million at on a long term deal include Luongo, Brodeur (although too old now) and Lundqvist. that is it.
I really think the whole Luongo situation is bad for the Canucks, which is why I just don’t think spending more than $5 mill on any goalie is good in a cap world.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
there are at minimum
64 NHL goalie positions (unless a team decides to carry 3) vs 360 forward positions and 180 blue line positions available.
Goaltending is the most important position in pro sports. It’s not just a cliche, it’s the truth. I’d spend as much as it took to have a playoff MVP and Cup winning goalie on my team.
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I’d rather spend more on scoring forwards and a deep defense core to protect the goalie. The Canucks need a lot of help up front, but they have no room for it because they have a plethora of defensemen making $3 mill a year, and Luongo’s $6.75 mill contract. Luongo’s not winning them any games, their defense doesn’t seem to be good enough to help him do it, and they have too many inconsistent, streaky forwards. I’d rather spend money on a Chara and Tim Thomas than a Luongo and Willie Mitchell.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
but you can't
because other teams are out there bidding to.
You identify the positional importance of the player, and then given his abilities, pay him what it takes to keep him.
Giggy gets knocked around a lot as overpaid or not elite, but there aren’t too many goalies currently playing who have won both the Cup and the Conn Smythe. Since finally getting a shot at being a starter, his lowest SV% was .900, the year his dad died. Prior to that 0.922, 0.918, 0.911, 0.914, and two years at 0.920.
Luongo and Brodeur are his only contemporaries in that span. the latter being a sure fire HOFer and the former making his case to be just the same.
i’m okay with $6M.
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yeah, Giguere is up there. I just have reservations about building your team that way. Mostly because I believe Luongo is going to sink the Canucks for a long time (and he still hasn’t won anything more than the World Cup)
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yah, but the leafs arnt signing Giggy for 10 more years, they just have him for 1 more season
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 9, 2009 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
exactly!
and if Gusto plays well too, someone else can sign him!
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 9, 2009 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
Well, I’d be worried if I were you:
“I like to build from the net out and then the blue line”
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Me too
I guess the rationale would be there are no good UFAs and it’s a one year deal so what the hell—get a good year out of him, screw Boston on the Kessel pick, then dump him at the deadline to a contender and use the prospects/picks and cap space for 2011/12, which is a realistic goal for us to contend. I guess I could like with that but $6M still makes me very nervous.
by The '67 Sound on Dec 9, 2009 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
Painfully so, I’ve come around to the fact that the Leafs will not be a contender any time soon.
2010-2012, if Gustavsson gets mentored by Giguere (an Allaire star pupil himself) I think it’s better than signing a career back up goalie for him. It makes more sense in the long run to ease Gustavsson in and ensure he’s the right guy, than going all in now, only to discover when the team is a playoff contender, he’s the weak link.
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more to my point
I worry about a Raycroft-ian fall from grace for Gustavsson, or an all out failure, a la Jim Carrey (the goalie…) who was stellar his first year with the Caps, so they let him start 70+ games his second full season, only to implode the following year and never get his rhythm back.
A better option in net than Gustavsson gives him some protection from expectations. He knows how hard Burke worked to get him here. He knows how bad the goaltending has been before he arrived. He’s still learning the NHL game, coupled with his personal health issues, means he needs time.
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OK, you’ve convinced me. I’ll take Giggy if they take Toskala and give us a pick.
There’s also have to be at least one more Leafs contract heading west to get under the cap.
But I’m NOT cool with taking Lupul.
by The '67 Sound on Dec 9, 2009 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
only way i take lupul is if they take Blake or there is a first or if they take finger and the leafs get sibisa
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 9, 2009 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
yeah
I mean, I want someone strong here next year with Gustavsson. And if Gusty doesn’t work out, I’d have no problem re-signing Giguere to something with a cap hit of $5 mill or a bit more… with Komi, Beauchemin and Schenn in place long term, it’s quite fine. I just think that throwing a bunch of money at a goalie and then hoping for the rest to work out is risky.
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agreed
but the point is, its so hard to know what you’re getting with such an intense, psychological position as the G.
I suspect have of it is how happy they are in their situation, and how the defence works with them, and everything.
Goalies can be lights out and just fall off a cliff too often. For every Luongo and Roy, there’s a Byron Dafoe, a Jim Carey, and yes, an Andrew Raycroft
Giggy makes sense to me depending on how Burke goes about re-signing the team’s UFAs and RFAs.
Giguere gives Gustavsson another year to develop while providing top 10 goaltending to the team and he’s gone after next summer. Plus, it depends if some salary goes the other way.
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by David Danforth on Dec 9, 2009 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
I read on a rumor site (Fourth Period IIRC) that Burke was looking at moving Stajan, Stempniak, Mayers and Toskala by the deadline, as there were no plans to resign them.
no idea how connected those guys are, but it’s a little less of a preposterous environment than hockeybuzz…
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Wysh used to work for them for what it’s worth.
It’s not like that list is exactly preposterous.
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by David Danforth on Dec 9, 2009 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
i didn’t think it sounded far fetched myself. definitely a more logical vibe from them than the alternative.
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If you looked at the team’s UFAs that you figured weren’t part of the future those four would be there. Now, would someone have interest? That’s a whole other question :)
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by David Danforth on Dec 9, 2009 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
Stajan is increasing his value, however, given what happened with Moore last year, I’d be shocked if any GM couldn’t see the correlation between Kessel playing with Stajan, and Matty’s point increase.
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well i think Stajan is only on pace for something like 5 more points than he got last year, so its not a massive jump
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 9, 2009 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
ya
but on pace for 10 more goals than last year, possibly his first year ever scoring more than 20 as a Leaf.
His highest is currently 16. He’s at 9 right now.
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well anyone who takes on Stajan wont be expecting a goal scorer, they’ll be looking for a defensively responsible center with a bit of a play makers touch
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 9, 2009 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
I can see a Toskala for Giguere swap as a means to help the Ducks get under the cap. The Leafs get a $6M Cup winning and playoff MVP goalie, and at seasons end, the Ducks have $6M in cap space (assuming the don’t sign Toskala, which would be a surprise if they did.)
Gustavsson and Giguere would be a disgusting tandem, however, JS has already pitched a public hissy fit once about sharing the load. Not sure Toronto would be his ideal destination…
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If you assume it will take about $2 million to sign Gustavvson, that’s $8 million in goalies. I don’t like that number, and as Blurr points out I don’t like the chemistry. We can get way more bang for our buck with Gustavvson plus a backup, then using the $5 million on a forward.
And why do the Ducks need to get under the cap? They have $32M committed to 15 guys next year. That’s a pretty good situation when you’re set for top 3 forwards. The team that is cap-screwed is Chicago—they have $34MILLION tied up in only SIX GUYS for the next FOUR YEARS (yes, this warrants allcaps dammit), and that doesn’t even include Huet’s terrible contract! Pretty much anyone on that team other than Kane, Toews, Keith and Seabrook will have to be free for the taking, and quite frankly I’m not sure I’d want any of Sharp, Bolland, Versteeg, Byf or Campbell given their contracts.
by The '67 Sound on Dec 9, 2009 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
Sharp’s contract is pretty reasonable, isn’t it?
I’m with you on tying up too much money in goalies. It’s not worth the cap space.
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$3.9 for two more years. That’s too much for a guy who’s only top 6 material, not top 3. We’ve got plenty of those guys already, at a better price.
by The '67 Sound on Dec 9, 2009 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
Poni and Hagman are the only comparable players the leafs have to sharp
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 9, 2009 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
another righty in the top 6 would be nice. he could be a second line winger behind Kessel. $3.9M may be a bit steep for a second liner, but not preposterously so. Poni is a bargain at his salary, Hagman at $3M seems to be just about the going rate.
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That is a bit pricey, but he really is that much better than any center we currently have in the NHL.
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he plays the wing primarily though.. No?
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by AkiSchennberg on Dec 9, 2009 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
Blake had more points than Sharp last year
I’m not saying he’s better, just making a point. And Sharp only makes $100K less.
Isn’t the point to leave room for Stalberg, Bozak, Kadri etc.? Next year the Top 6 should be Kessel, Poni, Hagman, Grabovski, and 2 out of the Frat Line, or even Kulemin. I would NOT bump any of these for a mere “top 6” player like Sharp. I’d only bump them for a Kessel type player via trade or UFA. Those $4M contracts on second tier guys KILL the cap.
by The '67 Sound on Dec 9, 2009 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, i see your point there. I’ll agree to that.
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The reasons the Hawks are screwed is (1) 4 second tier forwards making $3-4M; (2) a second (third?) tier goalie making almost $6M; and (3) Brian Campbell.
Giggy and Lupul represent two of these three mistakes. In fact, Lupul’s even worse at $4.25. Screw ’em.
by The '67 Sound on Dec 9, 2009 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
I think this is old news.
I’m sure Burke said last year that he didn’t think it fair to trade people at a time when they should be spending time with their families. So he doesn’t make trades over Christmas.
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I understand NHL players are people with families, but for the money they make they can afford to fly their families around with them and put them up in suites in every city they play in. There are enough impediments to trading already.
by Its Cold In Here on Dec 9, 2009 6:11 PM EST up reply actions
Joffrey Lupul is a non-starter. We don’t have Pronger to trade for him.
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by clrkaitken on Dec 9, 2009 12:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Also,
what is the point of self-imposing a trade deadline? Why is a trade between Dec 19 and 29 any worse than one on the 18th or Jan 3rd?
I assume he has a reason, just don’t know what it is.
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He doesn't
want to intrude on the player’s family time around the holidays.
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The NHL has its own trade freeze between the 19th and 29th. Burke extends that freeze period out an extra 10 days so his players can have some peace of mind concerning their families during the holidays. It’s classy.
Pair of Leaf tickets for sale.
Hey guys, I’m sorry if I am breaking any rules since this is the first time I’m ever selling any tickets of any kind lol. If there is someone I should talk to specifically (PPP or Chemmy?) please let me know. I don’t want to make this too long with why I can’t go and why I have to sell them but if someone wants to know then I don’t have a problem lol.
Anyway the tickets are Centre Ice (Row 119 – Row 25, Seats 6 and 7) for tonights game. The price is $196 per ticket but to be honest I don’t really know what a fair price would be to sell them off at? $300 for the pair?
oh how I wish I lived in Toronto….
also, welcome!
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What’s stopping you from moving? :P
And thank you for the welcome – I don’t really post too much but I’ve been visiting the site daily from the shadows for a really long time now lol.
she married a nucks fan, the embarrassment would be too much
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 9, 2009 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
the husband ;)
If you do a fanshot, you might get more people noticing your tickets than posting them in here (although I’m pretty sure it’s fine to post about them in here too)
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
Lolll, tsk tsk.
Fanshot sounds like a good idea, thanks a lot :) I even forgot to put my contact number or anything in the original post lol.
On a side note, do you think is $300 for the pair okay? I really don’t know what the “procedure” is supposed to be if you’re selling tickets on the last day and how much you’re supposed to lower the cost etc lol. Plus it is the Islanders and not Habs or something.
not a clue
some of the other regulars around here might be able to help you out more….
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Try craigslist and kijiji as well.
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by David Danforth on Dec 9, 2009 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
I think PPP wants tickets sold at face value (or under). I don’t really care as long as you’re not pushy or annoying about it. This is fine in my book.
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Alright makes sense to me. I’ll just make a fan shot like Karina suggested and make a post in whatever the next post you guys put up will be if that is okay.
Make the fanshot with the contact details, we’ll frontpage it.
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by David Danforth on Dec 9, 2009 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
Just read your signature. That explains a lot.
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hahaha
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 9, 2009 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
Face Value Or Lower
That’s the only rule.
Sorry you can’t make it.
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by David Danforth on Dec 9, 2009 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
Thank you – for the advice and the sympathy lol.
I’d love to go since I’ve only been to 3 games ever including a preseason game this year against the Sabres. These tickets were a last minute bday gift since mine was yestarday but unfortunately have to attend a friend’s wedding.
Sucks
Who gets married on a weekday?
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by David Danforth on Dec 9, 2009 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
Tell me about it! But then again, brown weddings can be like a 3-day thing lol so maybe that’s why one part is on a weekday, then skip a day and main thing on Friday, skip a day and then Sunday the conclusion lol.
No excuses
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by David Danforth on Dec 9, 2009 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
Here’s the link to the fanshot:
http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2009/12/9/1193288/pair-of-leafs-tickets-for-sale
Thanks for helping me out :) Appreciate it a lot.
Eh, if someone wants to ask for more than face I don’t care. It might be illegal in Canada that’s up to you guys but if people don’t want to pay it’s not like they have to.
I’d pay more than face for playoff tickets if they were available, though if I was paying above face I’d check Stubhub first.
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Stubhub and hundreds of other sites are fine for scalping.
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by David Danforth on Dec 9, 2009 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
Just saying that I don’t know or care about scalping rules in Canada. The market will pay what the market will bear. If no one here buys tickets over face then it’d be pointless to ask for more than face, y’know?
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Yeah
I see what you’re saying and I don’t have a problem with scalpers but I don’t want people coming here thinking that they can play off people here to get top dollar for their ticket.
1. Post your ticket and contact details and face value price
2. First response gets the ticket
The 2 rules.
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by David Danforth on Dec 9, 2009 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry if this sounds silly but is there a difference between Fanpost and Fanshot? Which would you like me to use?
And if I Fanshot it – it takes me to the “image” section, should I click “Quote” instead and then type the details?
If someone I haven’t ever seen comment posts tickets we’ll delete the comment.
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I think the idea of banning > face price
is that for popular games there’s an incentive to intentionally overbuy tickets with the intention of selling them a at a profit. It may or may not be legal, but the rest of us have an incentive not to encourage this behavior, because it reduces our ability to buy tickets the normal way at face price. It’s hard enough to get tix as it is, without some guy trying to get in front of you and buy up large blocks of them so he can turn around and charge you more than face price once the official allotment is sold out.
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But that’s a naive way to look at it. If you don’t want to buy them above face don’t, but there are people that do. Whether we do it or not has no effect on tickets being bought. We’re a drop in the bucket.
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Exactly
And there are tonnes of places to sell them above face. This, is not one of them.
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by David Danforth on Dec 9, 2009 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
This is a "prisoners dilemma" or "tragedy of the commons" situation
Collective action only works when everyone acts together. If only some people act then they lose and others win.
But without any ability to build trust or coordination, it fails. What can ya do.
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fuck i forgot and now im at wqork. why cnat i still order one tomorrow?
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
They’re all being screen printed at the same time so in order to make sure everyone gets them before christmas he had to set a deadline.
any chance you can setup something similar in the future? id love to have something with clark, gilmour or sundin
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I’m working on some designs for stuff I haven’t gotten around to finishing. I sense a partnership coming up…
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…in 2012
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by David Danforth on Dec 9, 2009 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
between this and the NNN’s, im surprised Chemmy has time to coment
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 9, 2009 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
I’m posting like a maniac what are you insinuating? I’ve got a story brewing one tab over. Don’t you wish you could see? Don’t you?
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i am insulating that i make jokes without thinking them through as per usual
duh
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 9, 2009 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
No
You’re right :P
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by David Danforth on Dec 9, 2009 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
wooo
objection overruled!
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 9, 2009 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
Tavares
Tavares said both before and after the game that NYI had to get back to playing “a simpler game” to get back on track.
Just once, I’d like to see a player say “We just need to play a mind-bendingly complex game. Let’s see the other guys deal with that.”
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by Varry Galk on Dec 9, 2009 1:45 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
what i would give for an NHL star to have a dry sarcastic sense of humour who never gave canned answers
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 9, 2009 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
ALMO!
He was pretty good.
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by David Danforth on Dec 9, 2009 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
Roenick as well
but i want someone like Crosby or Nash or Tavares, a guaranteed interview that they just dont go looking for when they want comedy or no one else will talk
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 9, 2009 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
It’s a shame that these guys are so few and far between.
Kessel seems just detached enough during media scrums that I think he could develop a sufficiently sarcastic tone with the media. Hopefully he’s intelligent enough to make it witty and entertaining. But I’m afraid we’d end up with something like…
Berger: So is coming back to Boston going to give you some butterflies Phil?
Phil: I LIKE HACKEY.
Berger: Right… If Leafs fans weren’t such sheep they might take exception to you referring to the Leafs’ particular brand of play as “Hockey”, Phil.
Phil: And if the Toronto media weren’t such navel-gazing asshats they might take exception to your repetitive and snide brand of reporting, Howard.
Berger: Oh…. I see you’ve been talking to Ron.
Phil: Go fuck yourself.
It’s close…. but not quite witty enough.
Why do we do this to ourselves?
by Kenjamin on Dec 9, 2009 2:00 PM EST up reply actions 8 recs
PHIIIIIIIIIIIIL KESSEEEEEEEEEEEL
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 9, 2009 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
There is a lot of awesome in this post.
Phil would be my hero if he ever said that to Berger.
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by RepressedOptimism on Dec 9, 2009 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
Rec'd
for Kessel
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Have that packaged
with the Hackey Night T-Shirt.
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rec'd
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by David Danforth on Dec 9, 2009 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
No doubt
As far as quotability goes, Tavares is the next Crosby. Damn media training.
They don’t need to be all Ricky Henderson, but even a little bit of “we just gotta breathe through our eyelids” would be nice, just to take the piss every once in a while. Alternatively, it’d be nice if the reporters quit going to the same guys who give the same answers.
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