I’m not looking and haven’t looked for [Schenn] to get top four minutes all year because we’ve got...

I’m not looking and haven’t looked for [Schenn] to get top four minutes all year because we’ve got more veterans deserving of that ice time.

Ron Wilson

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yup, that about sums it up

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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 9, 2009 1:12 PM EST reply actions

I'm OK with this.

Let Schenn develop a little with a little less pressure. Don’t hold him back from any situation, but don’t push him either.

Beauch has really stepped up his game lately.

by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Dec 9, 2009 1:13 PM EST reply actions

Yah, and on nights where Schenn is playing well, he gets more ice time and more responsibility, if he struggles, it gets dialed back

works well so far

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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 9, 2009 1:19 PM EST up reply actions

Hmm

I dunno about that. You don’t want to plant that bug in his head that ties performance to ice time.

He should just know that he is out there to get better and that’s all he should be focusing on. Not worrying that one blown coverage, missed seal or bad pinch will cost him some minutes.

Let the boy do his thing.

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by Kenjamin on Dec 9, 2009 1:38 PM EST up reply actions

i dont think play well or you dont get as much ice time is a huge shock to anyone who is a pro hockey player.
the thing is, that if Schenn is having a bad night he wont continually have to go out there and fuck things up, there is a decent safety net of veteran defensemen to step up and show him what to do

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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 9, 2009 1:41 PM EST up reply actions

It’s a fine line.

On the one hand, you want him to be able to forget a mistake the second after it happens, and just focus on making the correct play as often as possible. You need to keep giving him opportunities after mistakes to do that.

On the other hand, you don’t want him to develop a sense of entitlement like Raycroft and Wellwood had here. “Opps, screwed up. Oh, well. I’m still going to get my ice time.”

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by clrkaitken on Dec 9, 2009 1:41 PM EST up reply actions

You don’t want to plant that bug in his head that ties performance to ice time.

That’s exactly the kind of bug you want to plant in everyone. Don’t let them think that one mistake will kill them but if someone’s playing great they will get the ice-time.

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by David Danforth on Dec 9, 2009 2:20 PM EST up reply actions

I (begrudgingly) approve.

If it’s for the best. (and if it’ll stop me from bitching about OLAS’s ice-time after every game.)

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by Marc Pilgrim on Dec 9, 2009 1:15 PM EST reply actions

'cause frankly

whining about the above got very, very old IMHO.

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by Marc Pilgrim on Dec 9, 2009 1:16 PM EST up reply actions

Well said, Ron. I don’t want my pretty pretty defenseman thrown into a role he probably isn’t ready for just yet.

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by Wrap Around Curl on Dec 9, 2009 1:15 PM EST reply actions

Right diagnosis, wrong prescription.

If that’s how it’s going to be, he should be with the Marlies.

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by puckurgently on Dec 9, 2009 1:26 PM EST reply actions

No

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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 9, 2009 1:27 PM EST up reply actions

Yes.

I can do this all day.

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by puckurgently on Dec 9, 2009 1:28 PM EST up reply actions

Schenn has improved dramatically over the course of the season, im pretty sure Ronnies system is working

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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 9, 2009 1:31 PM EST up reply actions

I agree that he’s improved. I’d still prefer to see him with more minutes. If that means the Marlies, that means the Marlies. If his improvement goes far enough to knock someone else off the top 4 perch, great, but Wilson’s saying pretty explicitly that it won’t be soon.

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by puckurgently on Dec 9, 2009 1:33 PM EST up reply actions

Well...

The theory is that you can’t “overcook” a defensive defenceman in the minors, so I guess it would work if we had 6 or 7 guys ahead of Luke on the depth chart.

But it would definitely make our lineup worse and once a player is good enough to be a legit member of your top six there’s no need to demote him.

Luke stays.

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by Kenjamin on Dec 9, 2009 1:41 PM EST up reply actions

Schenn is farther along than Oreskovich, Rogers or Mikus. Probably a little farther along than Gunnarsson as well.

At this point, he’s too far along for work in the minors. He’s getting soft minutes. It will help him last the full 82 games (he was wiped by the end of last year) and allow him to learn “on the job.”

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by blurr1974 on Dec 9, 2009 1:47 PM EST up reply actions

It all depends

If it’s just a matter of ice time, the minors might help. If he’s at the stage where he needs ice time against high quality, high speed opponents, then being in the minors more might not hurt him, but it would be like having him play the game on “easy” setting… not so much to learn.

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by Wan Ihite on Dec 9, 2009 3:36 PM EST up reply actions

And it shouldn’t be underestimated how much he can learn simply by watching Bosho and Komi when they take their regular shift.

by lordosis on Dec 9, 2009 4:11 PM EST up reply actions

The thing about that statement is that it’s not as if the top 4 have stagnated, and Luke can’t get any closer to their level.

It’s that the top 4 (Beauch, Komi, Kabby and White) keep playing better, and Luke needs to keep improving to knock one of them out. That can only be beneficial for his development, because trying to outplay 4 veteran NHL defenceman is making him better. That wouldn’t happen in the minors, because he’d be top dog as soon as he got there, and wouldn’t be able to compare himself to those 4 on a daily basis.

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by clrkaitken on Dec 9, 2009 1:44 PM EST up reply actions

I don’t see why it’s OK to argue to keep Stalberg, Bozak, Hanson, etc in the AHL to play top 6 minutes but you keep Schenn up with the big club playing 3rd pairing minutes.

by birky on Dec 9, 2009 2:12 PM EST up reply actions

Up here, Luke can watch and learn from a player who plays a very similar style of game, Komisarek. And i think the point cirkaitken makes a lot of sense. Theres no sense playing top dog if your level of competition is much lower than in the NHL. When a guy comes up from the minors hes not given top4 minutes immediately and Luke can wait around and see how to play proper defence from guys like Komi and White. And maybe some offence from Kaberlae.

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by LeafFan1989 on Dec 9, 2009 3:12 PM EST up reply actions

because

every scenario is different.

Schenn manhandles full grown men in the pros. He is a ferocious hitter, seems to have an above average hockey IQ, skates really well, and on and on and on.

I think he’s beyond minor league hockey, given how easily he transitioned into the pros last season. Now, he has the benefit of better linemates to learn from and Wilson can pick and choose where and when to play Schenn

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by blurr1974 on Dec 9, 2009 4:27 PM EST up reply actions

Also, Schenn can step up and play big minutes when needed, like last night when Komi went down for a bit. So instead of yo-yoing up and down between the farm and the big club to get his opportunities, he does it here, yo-yoing a bit in ice time, but, as has been mentioned, watching the big boys do their thing. The difference is that he proved last year that he CAN play in the NHL. Sending him down would be a step back. Stalberg, Bozak and Hanson have been given limited opportunities, but nothing that would make the time they spend at Ricoh seem like a letdown. Schenn is a horse. He’s coming along. Remember in the summer when we were excited about how our defence corps was going to be stacked so that Schenn wouldn’t have to carry the load? Now we are worried he’s not getting enough work? All is going according to Burke’s plan, people.

by Leaf in Habland on Dec 10, 2009 3:43 PM EST up reply actions