Team Canada Watch '09: Goaltending
Yesterday we had a lively 700 comment discussion on the finer points of Jeff Schultz's advanced plus minus statistics. Today we can all argue about shot quality in a rousing discussion of who Team Canada's goalie should be. Of course Canada will bring three of these guys just in case but we'll all agree that one guy is the starter and argue accordingly.
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STRONG CANDIDATES:
This tubby womanizer left his wife for her sister but tied Terry Sawchuck's shutout record.
Roberto Luongo is literally the sole reason why the Vancouver Canucks didn't forfeit their next ten seasons. In addition to posting solid numbers behind a worse defensive team than Brodeur, Luongo won't have to move his equipment out of his locker at GM Place. Think of the time savings!
Fleury's numbers don't look outrageous but remember that every single defenseman in Pittsburgh is hurt. For a while Fleury was carrying the Wilkes-Barre d-corps on his back and looking good doing it.
NOT A DAMN CHANCE:
Due to his injury and Carolina's horrible season I just can't see Ward making it onto the team. If he played out of his mind he'd still be a longshot and he just hasn't so far.
I really like this kid so I'm hoping he's not the next Andrew Raycroft, but Columbus seems to have a ton of young goalies who dominate the league... for one year. No chance at all Steve Mason gets to the Olympics without buying a ticket this year, sorry kid.
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Chris Mason is quietly having a great season in St. Louis. His .918 SV% is second to only Brodeur among Canadian goaltenders.
Third in Canadian goaltender save percentage, Turco has a bad rep for not winning in the playoffs despite putting up solid numbers there.
Have at it folks, who do you want in net for Team Canada?
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Want
starter – Brodeur
backups/fillers – MAF, Turco
Will be there
Luongo, Brodeur and MAF
Luongo will get the unofficial starter gig due to west coast media bias
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GAME IS IN VANCOUVER LUONGO PLAYS THERE! LOUOOOOOONGOOOOOOO
GRRRRRRRRRRRREAT SAVE DROOL ZOMG
WEST COAST MEDIA BIAAAAAAAAAAAAS
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 9, 2009 1:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
whats that? time for my meds?
ooo new blue pills!
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 9, 2009 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
Brodeur and Luongo can battle it out for the starting job. The 3rd goalie isn’t going to see any action unless disaster strikes. So for that reason I say we put M-A Fleury in the 3rd spot. I’d say as of right now he has the best chance to challenge Luongo for the starting job in Socchi (assuming NHLers go) and he can gain some valuable experience being in that environment. You could make the exact same case for Mason and Ward, but I’m more comfortable with Fleury since he’s won a Cup and been to the FInals another time (unlike Ward who does have a Cup though).
by Belligerent Burkie on Dec 9, 2009 2:00 PM EST reply actions
That’s basically what I would say.
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by David Danforth on Dec 9, 2009 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
wait
Chris Mason is doing well? how come I keep losing in goaltending in the pool, then?
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by Karina on Dec 9, 2009 2:01 PM EST reply actions
Luongo
put up Brodeur-esque numbers behind NHL defensive superstars like Anders Erikkson, Bret Hedican, Andrew Ference, Lance Ward, and Ivan Majesky.
Outside of Jay Bouwmeester, Bobby-Lou never had the benefit of a capable blue line. Now, I’m not saying Brodeur’s numbers are a result of the team he plays behind, as I truly think he is one of the greatest goalies ever, but given the goalie is the last line of defense, I’d prefer #1 over #30.
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by blurr1974 on Dec 9, 2009 2:02 PM EST reply actions
/dramatic playoff implosion
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 9, 2009 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
You’re talking about Brodeur against the ’Canes last year, right?
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by Knee high to a duck on Dec 9, 2009 6:17 PM EST up reply actions
nah, that was more like a slow deflating beach ball
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 9, 2009 6:24 PM EST up reply actions
Two goals in 90s to blow game 7 was a pretty loud pop at the end, then.
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by Knee high to a duck on Dec 9, 2009 6:32 PM EST up reply actions
Brodeur plays with his defense a LOT better than Luongo. Luongo can NOT play the puck, and he doesn’t communicate well with his defensemen. Who do they have that’s so great in New Jersey now?
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by Karina on Dec 9, 2009 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
Luongo will not need to play the puck. He just needs to stop it.
Playing against guys like Malkin, Ovechkin, Datsyuk etc, I’d much rather have a goalie who likes to stay in the net.
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by blurr1974 on Dec 9, 2009 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
yes
but he doesn’t like to stay in net. He likes to play the puck – o nly he’s HORRIBLE at it.
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by Karina on Dec 9, 2009 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
i like my goalies versatile like a swiss army knife
is there no touch icing in the olympics?
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 9, 2009 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
i believe so
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by blurr1974 on Dec 9, 2009 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
No non trapizoidal area in the Olympics… Brodeur for sure
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Dec 9, 2009 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
and
as I said,
I’m not saying Brodeur’s numbers are a result of the team he plays behind
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by blurr1974 on Dec 9, 2009 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
yeah
I just have hate for LUongo lately.
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by Karina on Dec 9, 2009 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
i always have, ever since he lost the WJC
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 9, 2009 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t know if it’s the captaincy or something, but his mental game is off this year. I really worry about that. Brodeur is very hard to shake, but with Luongo…. well, I just have images of Byfuglien in a USA jersey running him, and us losing because he’s lost his focus.
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by Karina on Dec 9, 2009 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, Brodeur is an iceman under pressure
Even MAF showed that he can take the heat last year in the cup finals, Holmstrom and Franzen didnt even phase him
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 9, 2009 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
yes
and that’s what worries me about Luongo. Though honestly, I think the captaincy is detrimental to his play, he spends too much time talking to refs etc. rather than focusing on his game. He’s an awesome goalie when just playing, which is what he’d do in the Olympics, i guess.
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by Karina on Dec 9, 2009 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
And that’s why I have Fleury ahead of Luongo.
Especially in goal, big game experience matters a ton to me. Fleury was lights-out in Games 6 & 7 of the Cup Final last year. Luongo doesn’t have the same experience, and for all his abilities, he’s still never been past the second round.
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Luongo and Turco played each other in probably the best goaltended series ever;
06-07
Luongo’s stats in the playoffs that year:
12 GP .941 SV% 1.77 GAA.
Turco’s:
7 GP .952 SV% 1.30 GAA 3SO
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yes
that series was un-freakin-believable.
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by Karina on Dec 9, 2009 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
it was, i had to watch the overtimes on a shitty little 6 inch black and white tv at work, it was still amazing
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 9, 2009 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
the one game went to what, triple OT? Shoulda seen everyone in Vancouver falling asleep at work the next day. It was awesome.
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by Karina on Dec 9, 2009 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
yah, that was insane. the best playoff game in the past 5 years for sure
although luongos implosion in game 7 last year made me as giddy as could be
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 9, 2009 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
best playoff game in the past 5 years for sure
Not really. Best in terms of goaltending, I’m not going to argue with.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Dec 9, 2009 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
to me, best = entertaining and over all, teams aside, i havent been that entertained by a playoff game since i can remember
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 9, 2009 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
Game 6 Boston/Habs 2008 is going to be the best one for me for a long time.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Dec 9, 2009 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
i did enjoy that, but more from a twisted evil hatred of the Habs than for the actual entertainment value of the hockey being played
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 9, 2009 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
I have a slight bias in that I was there and it was my team winning.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Dec 9, 2009 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
indeed, had the leafs seen the post in the past 5 years id probably pick one of those games
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 9, 2009 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
Game 1 went to 4OT.
http://www.nhl.com/ice/recap.htm?id=2006030171
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4OT
yeah that’s what I was thinking of. Thank goodness for Henrik Sedin.
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by Karina on Dec 9, 2009 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
Turco didn’t win a game in that series that he didn’t get a shut out in.
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Luongo and Turco played each other in probably the best goaltended series ever
Best goaltending duel ever is still Hasek/Brodeur in ’94.
Hasek 7GP 950 SV% 1.61 GAA 2 So
Brodeur 17 GP 928 SV% 1.95 GAA 1 SO
Plus, anybody remember Game 6 of that series? Buffalo won 1-0 in 4OT. BOTH GOALIES POSTED A DOUBLE SHUTOUT IN THE SAME GAME!
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Fleury would be another WJC losing goalie.
i’d add the others, but Ward never made the team his year of eligibility, nor Mason. No idea on Turco.
I’d like to see team Canada move away from the old warhorses, Brodeur included. Luongo is heads and tails above the rest.
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by blurr1974 on Dec 9, 2009 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
ditto
obviously
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by blurr1974 on Dec 9, 2009 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
one question
why is Giguere not considered?
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by Karina on Dec 9, 2009 2:02 PM EST reply actions
he was kinda shite at the start of the season
its ok though, once burke trades for him he’s in
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 9, 2009 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
no international experience is my guess.
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by blurr1974 on Dec 9, 2009 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
yeah. I wonder why that is though. It seems weird.
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by Karina on Dec 9, 2009 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
I was going to add him but Turco and Mason have better numbers. Giguere isn’t starting and might be too old.
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Sadly, I don’t see this one being as fun as the defenceman debtae was (and the forwards one will be), because it’s much more clear cut.
There’s really only three acceptable choices, and the only question is what order you put them in. And personally I don’t even think that’s a difficult question.
As a precautionary measure, I suggest temporarily suspending the accounts of any Caps fans who might drudge up some random stat that says Jose Theodore is better than the favourites. But I digress…
Starter – Brodeur
Backup – Fleury
Press Box – Luongo
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hahaha
you’re brilliant.
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by Karina on Dec 9, 2009 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
JIM CARY!
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 9, 2009 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
I think the nice thing about this debate
is that neither Brodeur or Luongo (or even MAF) will be the reason we win or lose. We don’t need goalies to steal games, we just need them to perform up to their capabilities. To win the Gold, we’ll need a solid team effort.
this
is a good point.
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by Karina on Dec 9, 2009 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
i dunno, against teams with the fire power of the Russians or Americans, a goalie playing out of his mind might be the difference between a blow out and a close game, for or against
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 9, 2009 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
With the quality and depth of our Country, a properly implemented system should prevent any sort of blowout with even average goaltending. Obviously all three leading candidates are above average, so we should not be blown out if we play a smart game.
To me, we should win because our 3rd and 4th liners destroy every other teams. That and we have the best D by far.
yeah, but say luongo gets run by Byfuglian and looses his mental game, next couple shift kane and kessel snipe the shit out of him and Canada is down by 3
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 9, 2009 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
THIS IS MY GREATEST FEAR
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by Karina on Dec 9, 2009 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
I have no faith for luongo in the big game
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 9, 2009 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
you think Byfuglien will take the US Olympic team…?
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by blurr1974 on Dec 9, 2009 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
err
*make
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by blurr1974 on Dec 9, 2009 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
he could, he is a Burke type player.
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by Karina on Dec 9, 2009 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
I would love for him to make it
That would be a major indication of just how shallow USA’s talent pool is.
it's not
don’t fool yourself…
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by blurr1974 on Dec 9, 2009 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
I know it's not
my comment was more in line with your post below.
If Byfuckingugly is there, something is wrong. There are many many better Americans.
they have two VERY scary lines, like the russians
i think burke will bring one line strictly to bang with the Canadians and punish the Russians and sweds
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 9, 2009 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
if he does
that would be Backes. at least he can skate and score.
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by blurr1974 on Dec 9, 2009 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
yah, there are better options, thats for sure, but it wouldnt shock me is all
Backes, Malone oshie
yar
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 9, 2009 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
Team USA Forwards
David Backes, St. Louis
David Booth, Florida
Dustin Brown, Los Angeles
Dustin Byfuglien, Chicago
Ryan Callahan, New York Rangers
Chris Drury, New York Rangers
Scott Gomez, Montreal
Patrick Kane, Chicago
Ryan Kesler, Vancouver
Phil Kessel, Boston
Jamie Langenbrunner, New Jersey
Ryan Malone, Tampa Bay
Mike Modano, Dallas
Kyle Okposo, New York Islanders
T.J. Oshie, St. Louis
Zach Parise, New Jersey
Joe Pavelski, San Jose
Bobby Ryan, Anaheim
Paul Stastny, Colorado
How Byfuglien is higher than anyone on this list is beyond me.
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by blurr1974 on Dec 9, 2009 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
ok, maybe not Byfuglien in particular – but Ryan? Okposo? Malone? They’re all power forwards who have no problem going to the net.
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by Karina on Dec 9, 2009 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
hell, half the players on that list would be perfect crashing the net
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 9, 2009 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
Through Pronger, Weber, Keith, Seabrook, Regher and Bouwmeester (my assumed starting 6)
I don’t think so
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by blurr1974 on Dec 9, 2009 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
I dunno. That would be ideal, but all it takes is one knock.
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by Karina on Dec 9, 2009 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, especially on a quick cover, D let their guard down for one split second and BAM Malone is sitting on the goalie
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 9, 2009 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
yah, but Miller is unflappable and thomas would just hulk out and play better
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 9, 2009 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
Thomas would fight Boogaard. Fact.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Dec 9, 2009 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
If Thomas keeps his equipment on he might be able to do a little damage. A little.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Dec 9, 2009 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
If Thomas’ old bones don’t break in half he’ll…
Just kidding Ryan Miller will be playing in the Olympics.
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The way he’s playing now? I hope so.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Dec 9, 2009 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
what are we gonna do come the Olympics??
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by Karina on Dec 9, 2009 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
world war!
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 9, 2009 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
Brendan Witt fights SUV’s
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Dec 9, 2009 7:19 PM EST up reply actions
We should do this for team USA next week.
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yes please!
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by Karina on Dec 9, 2009 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
i'd love it
I’m really excited to see what kind of team they ice.
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by blurr1974 on Dec 9, 2009 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
I think it’ll be far better than most people expect.
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by Karina on Dec 9, 2009 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
long shot, but its an example
hell Kesler might do it
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 9, 2009 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
Kesler will be there, I’ll guarantee it.
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by Karina on Dec 9, 2009 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, and he’d know how to get to bobby lou
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 9, 2009 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
I would hope Crosby, Iginla, Nash, Heatley et al would counter.
Or that Regehr, Keith, Pronger etc would prevent said snipe.
It’s a short tourney, anything can happen, but we have the best team on paper, and goaltending should be the least of our concerns really.
goaltending is NEVER the least of your worries
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 9, 2009 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
with our choices
I worry more about scoring, or picking some D that are too offensive minded (i.e. Green).
On the other hand imagine what happens if you get 06-07 playoff Turco getting a shutout every other game and saving over 95% of pucks he sees.
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I think Brodeur will start one game, Luongo will start another and then the braintrust will decide which one gets to run the rest of the way.
The third-string guy will likely by MAF just because of his age.
Turco shouldn’t even be part of this discussion.
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Look at his career stats and he was awful in the ’04 and ’06 playoffs.
He’s not in the same category as Brodeur and Luongo.
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Brodeur’s career playoff sv% is .006 higher than Turco’s. Brodeur put up an .856 in 99.
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Look at regular season rates too.
Turco is a middle of the pack goalie.
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Also of note
No trapezoid in the Olympics. Brodeur is the best choice because he’s the best puck handling goalie in the league and with no trapezoid, he’s free to play the puck anywhere. Plus the only knock against Marty is that he’s old
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Dec 9, 2009 2:21 PM EST reply actions
Other knocks on Brodeur:
Fat
Sh*t the bed the last two playoffs.
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I hate when people say that. Of all positions, goaltending has changed the most over the history of the NHL, how do you compare generations with differences like no masks, and pads that weighed 50 lbs each?
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by Karina on Dec 9, 2009 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
Well, just going by numbers
But yes, I get your point. Let me rephrase.
In favour of him?
Best goalie of the current generation.
I agree there.
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by Karina on Dec 9, 2009 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
Ever doesn’t mean “right now today”.
I’d rather have Hiller in my net than Johnny Bower tonight.
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Tougher question: Bower or Toskala?
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Dryden looked pretty good the other night in Montreal…
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At least Dryden’s bigger than Toskala.
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I’ve seen him play a couple gamesthis year and they’ve been gong shows. Buffalo and Vancouver absolutely picked him apart. I was stunned to see his SV% was .922, based on the two games I’ve seen I was guessing .850.
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Have you considered
That maybe it’s you?
You’re also a Leaf fan, and how’s that working out for them?
I saw Toskala get his last shutout in person.
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you bring in playoff bed shitting, you cant leave out luongo
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 9, 2009 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
Knocks on Luongo should go in a separate thread. I wonder if “greasy” makes the top 3?
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I was going to make a greasy joke but didn’t want leafer1984 to stab me.
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Don’t worry, the knife would slide right out of his greasy hands.
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by David Danforth on Dec 9, 2009 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
oh snap!
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 9, 2009 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
That’s when your greasy hands would come in handy.
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SCORCH!
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 9, 2009 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
I like this David Danforth guy a whole lot better than PPP. Chemmy should hire him and oust triple P.
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by blurr1974 on Dec 9, 2009 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
K K K K KILLER COMBO
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 9, 2009 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
are hilarious
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 9, 2009 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
Mark of Defeat
Calling jokes petty.
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I just don’t want to stoop to Colombian jokes, cuz Lord knows we could be here ALL day
Fairweather fans can go to hell
I’ll be here all day anyways.
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at least until the cops raided the place
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first you get the blog, then you get the readers, then you get the power
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You know what would be awesome right now?
An animated .gif of Scarface’s machine gun shooting out the word “ban” titled “Say hello to my little friend”
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by David Danforth on Dec 9, 2009 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
you are banned you cock-a-roach!
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 9, 2009 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
This David Danforth guy is a real asshole and with PPP around we have our Colombian quota filled.
I think I’m going to ban him.
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this calls for....
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by Karina on Dec 9, 2009 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
you dont get scars like that from banning pineapple
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 9, 2009 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
No
Because lord knows I know better ones :P
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by David Danforth on Dec 9, 2009 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
I’m sure you have heard em all before, just like I have heard all the “greasy italian” jokes before
Fairweather fans can go to hell
mama mia!
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 9, 2009 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
All of them?
Let’s find out! Just kidding.
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by David Danforth on Dec 9, 2009 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
Not sure what the point would be. The Colombians won’t speak any english unless you buy 10 keys.
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well you brought up playoff bed shitting, did he not cover that mattress in feces last year?
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 9, 2009 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
I was specifically responding to a comment about Brodeur – that the only knock on him was that he’s old.
It wasn’t a comparative analysis of the two goalies, it was simply adding to the knocks on Brodeur.
These goalies are so evenly matched, I’m thinking Luongo should sleep with his sister in-law too.
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ah, carry on then
i wonder if luongo likes pie
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 9, 2009 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
100 people surveyed, top 5 answers on the board.
Name something people use to knock Roberto Luongo?
*buzz He’s greasy.
Show me greasy…..#1 answer!!
They call me Splodeybones.
Thoughts about Fleury from a Pittsburgh fan
Chemmy wanted me to come over and drop a few thoughts about MAF, so here we go:
-He’s as athletically gifted as any goalie in the league
-His rebound control has improved by orders of magnitude since his rookie year. It used to be his #1 issue; now it’s not really a problem
-He should be forbidden from ever handling the puck. Actually, it’s not that he’s bad at it, it’s that he picks bad times to try and do it.
-He’s prone to let a soft goal in now and then, but it’s not nearly the issue it used to be
-He uses his legs brilliantly. His glove is also awesome and he’s much less vulnerable to be picked in the high corners than he used to be.
-He’ s much better when he plays a more Brodeur/Turco style of standing up and not overrelying on his butterfly. If you see him start to go down too early, it’s gonna be a long game. He only usually does this when he feels under siege.
-Fleury’s never had the big, flashy fantasy goaltending stats, but there’s one thing he can do that puts him in an elite category: the timely big save. At various critical points of last year’s playoff run, he absolutely ROBBED Jeff Carter, Alex Ovechkin, Eric Staal, Dan Cleary and Nick Lidstrom. If any of those goals go in the game and possibly the series turn out very differently. He always shows up in the big game when it matters.
-It’s worth noting that in October before the Pens blue line was destroyed by injuries for the whole month he had a GAA of below 2.2 and a save percentage pushing .930. In other words, Chemmy is right….he’s one of the main reason the Pens got through November as relatively unscathed as they did.
"'Tis a bird I love, with its brooding note, And the trembling throb in its mottled throat; There's a human look in its swelling breast, And the gentle curve of its lowly crest; And I often stop with the fear I feel-- He runs so close to the rapid wheel." Nathaniel Parker Willis, "The Belfrey Pigeon"
In some ways I see him as this generation’s Grant Fuhr. He may not have the best stats but when the chips are done he is absolutely money.
It’s too early to crown him as that just yet but he’s on that track with Pittsburgh’s Cup win last year.
leaf fan stuck in ottawa, a localized black hole that will suck everything in that area to oblivion.
It's an excellent comparison
And if the Pens can win another Cup behind him, it can be solidified.
Hope all his talent doesn’t disappear up his nose, though.
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Dec 9, 2009 7:23 PM EST up reply actions
re: Byfuglien "running" Luongo
and “rattling” him.
I watched the youTube clip to refresh my memory. Buff didn’t “run” the net, he took out Luongo’s legs and then drove his stick into Luo’s mask. Watch and see.
That won’t fly in the Olympics, because it puts team Canada on a power play.
Also, i’ve decided I really don’t like Byfuglien. the ’hawks can keep him…
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by blurr1974 on Dec 9, 2009 2:32 PM EST reply actions
he is a nasty piece of work
but id take him in a leafs uni at the right price
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 9, 2009 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
he did it more than once. Byfuglien got into Luongo’s head, this is his major weakness.
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by Karina on Dec 9, 2009 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
he didn't get into his head
he hit it.
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by blurr1974 on Dec 9, 2009 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
dude
I watched the series. Luongo’s mental game was off. That “hit” or whatever you want to call it from Byfuglien is illegal in the NHL and should have been a penalty, but I want a goalie who can shake off something like that, and keep making the saves.
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by Karina on Dec 9, 2009 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
what else would you call a cross check to the face but a hit?
I watched the series as well. The Canucks d laid down and let the Hawks have free reign in front of Luongo.
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by blurr1974 on Dec 9, 2009 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, I just am not sure what to call it… he ran into him, it was horrible, should have been a penalty. But either way, Luongo’s mental game is what gives me reservations. Yeah, the Canucks D is to blame for that as well, but Luongo had a huge meltdown in game 6 against the hawks. He had a meltdown his first year in the playoffs against the Ducks. He’s possibly the most talented goalie Team Canada has, and I really won’t be upset if he starts in the Olympics for us, but I am definitely concerned about his mental game.
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by Karina on Dec 9, 2009 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
he sported a .914 SV% for the playoffs, he faced more than 30 shots a night every night against the Haks, while the Canucks were lucky to get 20. In fact, I think one game they only got 15 or something.
He faced 49 shots in the clincher against the Blues, while the Canucks only put up 36. and that game went through OT.
Like him or not, his only contemporary in the world would be Marty Brodeur. If it’s Luongo playing and Brodeur as the back up, or vice versa, it’s still the best goaltending tandem in the tournament.
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by blurr1974 on Dec 9, 2009 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
he has the talent.
He doesn’t have the mental fortitude. He’s like the Joe Thornton of goaltending. (okay, maybe exaggerating, but there’s something wrong with my head and it worries me)
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by Karina on Dec 9, 2009 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
im with you Karina
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 9, 2009 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
the difference for me is, Luongo isn’t playing behind the Vancouver Canucks. He’s playing behind THE Canucks. Team Canada.
He doesn’t have to win the game by himself, he just has to show up and do his job.
Cujo was a goalie that could never get rattled, but crapped the bed in 02 before Quinn went with Brodeur. It’s a different stage. I’d also like the fact that Luongo knows the rink, he knows the boards tendecies. He’s playing at home.
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by blurr1974 on Dec 9, 2009 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
yes
it could be very successful. And I do think that most of his problem in Vancouver is being Captain and feeling like he has to talk t o the refs etc. Put him in net, and tell him to just worry about his game, he could win us the gold. I’m just very very scared he’ll try to do more than that, which is where he starts running into trouble.
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by Karina on Dec 9, 2009 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
took me awhile to find
Luongo’s career international statst, a 1.99 GAA with 12 Ws and 3 of those as SO’s.
i think he’ll be fine
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by blurr1974 on Dec 9, 2009 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
just sayin…. stats don’t show mental fortitude. All of those international starts are before the Canucks messed up his mind
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by Karina on Dec 9, 2009 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
and I don’t think we leave Luongo off the team, or don’t play him at all. I think both he and Brodeur get games to decide who starts. But I don’t want to go into the Olympics anointing him the starting goalie. Make him work for it.
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by Karina on Dec 9, 2009 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
Hey!
Why did the two guys who were obviously not going to get any votes given first names but the other three weren’t?
Marty, Bob and Marc deserve given names too, you know!
Why do we do this to ourselves?
Chris Mason got a name to distinguish him from Steve Mason. I fucked up on Marty Turco because in my mind his first and last name are one name like a Brazilian soccer player. He’s Martyturco.
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I think Chemmy rightly chose the top 5 choices for Stevie Y in the poll question. To me you gotta throw Cam Ward out. I’m a huge Cam fan, but his season has been a mess plus he’s coming off a major injury. Steve Mason looks to be a one year wonder.
Brodeur should be a lock to be the starter. He’s currently got the best save percentage of any Canadian goalie, he’s got the experience, and oh yeah, he’s Marty freakin Brodeur.
Backup also should be a lock. Luongo’s numbers are head and shoulders above the rest of the choices. Add in that he’ll get to play in a building he’s familiar with and its a no brainer.
The third choice is where it gets interesting. I don’t think you lose any way you go. I’m fairly certain its going to be Fleury. However, Turco has rebounded from last year and Mason is having a great season in St. Louis. Turco brings an elite level ability to play the puck. Fleury should never do so unless there isn’t an opposing player over the red line. However, Marc Andre has shown when it counts he can put up great numbers. Mason loses out if for nothing else on experience, but I don’t think he’d hurt Canada at all if he was named to the team and had to play. I go with what seems to be the consensus here and agree that I’d take Fleury over Trurco though just slightly.
Canada, like at forward and defense, has wealth of talent, so unless Stevie Y picks Manny Legace I think they’ll be ok. :-)
A man gotta have a code
I want Brodeur in there until someone proves he’s a better keeper or Marty decides to hang it up.
Fleury as a backup for long term planning.
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by RepressedOptimism on Dec 9, 2009 4:47 PM EST reply actions
There are times when Turco is amazing, and times when he’s more Jerk-o than Turco. His bad playoff rep comes from his underachieving teammates because he’s actually a pretty clutch player. Does he have a chance against the more talked-about goalies?
Probably not.
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by Brad_Richards_Rocks on Dec 9, 2009 5:00 PM EST reply actions
what’s your read on him re-upping with the Stars this summer?
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by Karina on Dec 9, 2009 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
It depends on the rest of the season. He needs to prove that he’s worth keeping around. The best scenario for the Stars would be to trade him for a number-one defenseman, which we desperately need. If the Stars do resign him, it will be for a much cheaper contract than his $5.7 million.
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by Brad_Richards_Rocks on Dec 9, 2009 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
we’ll give you Kaberle for Jamie Benn. (j/k)
$5.7 is a LOT of money. I could see him waiting till Free Agency, though. I also wonder if the Sharks will re-sign Nabokov.
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by Karina on Dec 9, 2009 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
they should
there’s not much else after him in the pipeline.
Greiss is only 23 and playing his first full season as a back up.
Turco has Auld behind him, and I’m not sure what their farm system looks like, but hockey’s Future has the highest goalie for the stars ranked as their 7th best prospect, a one Richard Bachman.
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by blurr1974 on Dec 9, 2009 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
We used to draft really good goalies
like Mike Smith, but we gave him up. We have Krahn and Climie in the AHL. Both are doing great there, but that doesn’t automatically mean they’ll be great in the NHL. Then there’s Beskorowany, who’s never played in the AHL, let alone the NHL.
Unfortunately Auld is also a free agent after this yeat, so we’ll have to start from scratch if we lose both him and Turco. This is a big dilemma.
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