Is Kaberle Really Worth It?
Message from your benevolent overlord Chemmy: BeyondBeleaf takes an in depth look at trades for single defensemen in the NHL since the lockout. Let's take a look-see at what Kubina and Kaberle might garner on the open market.
I must say, the return for an aged and diminished Mathieu Schneider wasn’t, in my mind, as high as what the Atlanta Thrashers garnered from the Canadiens. Whether Gainey was desperate to make a move or not is unclear, this trade will only help increase the value of the likes of Kaberle and Kubina. At least, that’s the thinking.
I think the return for these two defensemen will be more in line with what was acquired by trading of similar players over the last five years or so. Darren Dreger of TSN lists the asking price as "An early 20’s impact roster player, a top prospect, and a first round pick". God, I hope so, because history has shown that trades such as these don’t exactly pan out that well.
Let’s have a look at trades for defensemen, notably those for 1 single player (i.e. Kaberle) and possibly picks as well, the return it merited, and we’ll keep it exclusive to post-lockout seasons. Careful now, this is a long one:
Andrej Meszaros for D Filip Kuba, D Alex Picard, 1st Round Pick
Dan Boyle (& Brad Lukowich) for D Matt Carle, D Ty Wishart, 1st & 4th Round Picks
Marek Zidlicky for RW Ryan Jones, 2nd Round Pick
Lubomir Visnovsky for C Jarret Stoll, D Matt Greene
Marc-Andre Bergeron for 3rd Round Pick
Brad Stuart for 2nd & 4th Round Picks
Hal Gill for 2nd & 5th Round Picks
Brian Campbell (& 7th Rd. Pick) for F Steve Bernier, 1st Round Pick
M-A Bergeron (& 3rd Rd. Pick) for D Denis Grebeshkov
Shane O’Brien (& 3rd Rd. Pick) for Gerald Coleman, 1st Round Pick
Alexei Zhitnik for Braydon Coburn
Craig Rivet (& 5th Rd. Pick) for Josh Gorges, 1st Round Pick
Brent Sopel for 2nd Round Pick
Dennis Wideman for Brad Boyes
Eric Cairns for 6th Round Pick
Dick Tarnstrom for F Jani Rita, D Cory Cross
Jaroslav Spacek for F Tony Salmelainen
Luke Richardson for 4th Round Pick
Ken Klee for F Aleksader Suglobov
Brad Lukowich for 3rd Round Pick
Denis Gauthier for F Josh Gratton, 2nd Round Pick, 2nd Round Pick
Sandis Ozolinsh for 3rd Round Pick
Brendan Witt for F Kris Beech, 1st Round Pick
Cory Cross for 4th Round Pick
Eric Weinrich for D Tomas Mojzis, 3rd Round Pick
Ric Jackman for Petr Taticek
Chris Pronger for F J. Lupul, D Ladislav Smid, (2) 1st Rd. Picks, 2nd Rd. Pick
Alexei Zhitnik for D Freddy Meyer, 3rd Round Pick
Danny Markov for 3rd Round Pick
Brent Sopel for 3rd Round Pick
Chris Pronger for D Eric Brewer, D Jeff Woywitka, D Doug Lynch
Toni Lydman for 3rd Round Pick
Andy Hilbert for 5th Round Pick
Now obviously the majority of these players are not of the same caliber of a Tomas Kaberle, and the relatively low cost his contract will pose to a team, both in real dollars and the cap, can’t be ignored as positive factors for the Leafs. Most notably, the deals for Campbell, Boyle, Meszaros, Pronger and possibly Rivet would make the best comparables in what Kaberle will fetch.
The Boyle and Meszaros deals are still too fresh to determine the value received, but I don’t think it’s a stretch to say that Campbell and Pronger didn’t exactly provide full value. I think the package that is coming is going to be much like the return seen in the Pronger to Anaheim deal, and even then, what do the Oilers really have to show for it? Sure, Smid is a nice prospect, and Lupul never really fit with their team, but it’s not exactly a rebuild jump starter type package is it? And I don’t believe many of us would put Kaberle into the same class as a Chris Pronger.
I really hope I’m wrong here. I really hope the increased parity adds to the desperation a lot of GMs feel at this time of year, and I really hope that Kaberle’s availability, along with not much else to choose from, contributes to Burke robbing someone blind. But if you look back at the recent history, for Burke to work out a deal that provides the type of haul that Dreger and many Leaf fans expect, he’ll be the first one to make it happen.
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well I think that a return such as we saw for Pronger is wishing for the impossible. Pronger has a Norris and has more of a complete game than Kabby.
But I think it’s fair to expect at least as much as was given up for Rivet, who is nowhere near the player that Kabby is. Also, if Burke is up on some other teams prospects there are some good trades in there that he could emulate and probably top, such as Bergeron for Grebeshkov.
by Karina on Feb 16, 2009 10:51 PM EST reply actions
I think it’s pretty clear that the going rate for Kaberle is probably somewhere above a 1st and a prospect. He’s got two seasons left at $4m per which makes him hilariously valuable.
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Burke is a smart man
He won’t trade Tomas.
In Burke I trust.
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I think it’s relatively simple: Burke will trade Kaberle if somebody wants to overpay. Given how few sellers there are, I think there’s a decent chance of that happening. If not, he holds on to him until the draft or next year.
I’m not worried about the Kaberle situation, given the circumstances it’s almost impossible for Burke to screw that one up.
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by Down Goes Brown on Feb 17, 2009 12:01 PM EST reply actions
My thinking is that we start trying to win again next year,
that way we don’t end up with the salary cap fucking us ala, Ottawa, Tampa, Pitts, and soon to be Chicago. We have a couple of young guys to build around and some vets. As such, keep Kaberle because we need a puck moving defenseman and his price is good.
who are these couple of young guys to build around? Schenn and who?
White and Grabby have been pleasant surprises this year, but they are small building blocks.
We won’t be competing next year. Hopefully, next year we’ll be younger and more talented, with the beginnings of a team that will grow together.
by Karina on Feb 17, 2009 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
bingo
with you all the way Karina. I enjoy, on some nights, watching this Leafs team, but I don’t love them…
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by blurr1974 on Feb 17, 2009 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
yah,
we need another young player or two, but that is this year’s draft. So far Tlusty is garbage so forget about him.
by penaltyshots on Feb 17, 2009 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
Tlusty isn’t even 21 yet, give him some time.
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Keep Kabby...
There is no one in the draft or anyone the Leafs would get in trade that will be as a dependable, puck moving D-man for the next 4 to 6 years. He is only 30 and with his non-physical style, should be as good as he is now for several seasons. He wants to stay in Toronto and help the Leafs win, and loyalty should count for something. (If the player can still play…not like the loyalty Cliffy showed Cujo.) Trading him solely based on the fact he is the most viable trade bait without taking into account how to replace his skill and minutes is unwise.
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