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"Wilson's sending you out against the sens? The sens really do suck."

If you need musical accompaniement to what you're feeling this morning as you realize that the Leafs are 7-1-1 against the senators in their last nine meetings I suggest you give this tune a listen. Things are falling apart in ottawa and I don't know if anyone is happier than me. Well, maybe DGB since he actually has to live in the City That Fun Forgot. And despite some improvement in play the same things are killing the senators:

Upset with the way the club started after spotting the Leafs a 2-0 lead in the first period, Clouston changed all the lines and moved Alfredsson to play with Mike Fisher and Nick Foligno.

- Bruce "Malkin to the Kings" Garrioch, Ottawa Sun

DGB already pointed it out but the senators' carousel of coaches have an obsession with 'switching things up'. What they don't realize is that they are giving everyone an excuse to not produce. By not keeping the top three earners together he refuses to challenge the rest of the team to carry their own weight. By putting them on lines with the crappier players he gives the 3rd and 4th liners the handy excuse that if they don't pick up their game it's because of the failed efforts of their money men.

'Oh Lord, Please Make My Enemies Ridiculous'

- Voltaire/Leafs fans

Prayer answered.

Star-divide

Even better, dig into the post-game quotations to see how the level of accountability in the senators' dressing room mirrors what had developed in Toronto

Elliott, who faced 38 shots, seemed reluctant to take responsibility for the bad goals. He said he was upset about the final goal because it cost the Senators the game, not because it was a bad goal.

"You want every shot," he said. "You can go over it in your mind and kill yourself about it, but, you know, just work in practice to get better everyday."

- Allen Panzeri, Ottawa Citizen

Remember when Elliott was the goalie of the future? Maybe the crystal ball is a little dusty. And of course, there is no one that avoids accountability in that dressing room better than Giggles:

Similarly, Spezza was surprised he was called for hooking, since he had observed many other offences go unpunished.

"Maybe a little marginal," he said. "There are three power plays all night and a lot of stuff gets let go, but I’m not the one making the calls.

"You don’t want to take penalties, especially 200 feet away (from your own net), but there’s a lot of stuff that was let go and I’m surprised about that one a little bit."

I think you could say that things have hit rock-bottom in the relationship between Giggles and the fans:

Eight years...EIGHT...since you were drafted. Fifth year in the Bigs. Eight million a year. And you're still an idiotic, uncoachable, infuriating waste of ice time I wouldn't trust to look after my dog. Ever wonder why your name never comes up when people talk about the leaders on this team? Watch this tape. Then watch a tape from your rookie year. You remember that one, right? That was the year you bitched and whined because Jacques Martin said you were a boy playing in a man's league. What do you see? That's right. You see the same mistakes over and over and over again. EIGHT GODDAMN YEARS!!

- Senators Lost Cojones, Five For Smiting

Seeing Old Yeller getting one last run out in the building where he haunted the senators for so long raised some eyebrows:

The moment Leaf coach Ron Wilson announced Curtis Joseph would start last night's game, the conspiracy theorists were out in full force.

- Kevin McGran, Toronto Star

What this conspiracy theorists forgot, besides the basic fact that the players and coaches don't stop trying their best on purpose, is that the senators are horrible.

The standings didn't matter to the sold-out crowd of 20,050 at Scotiabank Place, about half of whom were Leaf fans. The place was energized and overtime just meant more time for fans of both teams to cheer their team, jeer the other.

Watching the highlights they should have had the goal horn going off for the Leafs' goals too. Since, insane dreams aside, this season is over but for the revelling in others' failures this tidbit caught my eye:

Three scouts and Columbus GM Scott Howson took in the game. The latest Leafs added to the rumour mill were Mayers, whom the Leafs gave up a third-round pick for, and Ian White.

That's pretty exciting. If the Leafs' can get anything back for Mayers it'll go a long way towards cleaning up some of the small mistakes that Fletcher made. Now if he can only get something for Ryan Hollweg. Actually, seeing that Ian White is drawing interest would let the Leafs' sell another asset at it's peak which could go a long way towards changing the pattern of results. Then again, maybe they were watching the senators since they are such a talent-rich team. Oh Kevin, Kevin, Kevin.

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oh god, I am still punchy over Hughson and Simpsons verbal (NSFW COMMENT) of Cloustons line blendering.

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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 1, 2009 1:45 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

missed the game

What did they say?

Disappointed since 1984

by leafer1984 on Mar 1, 2009 2:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Pretty much boiled down to “Clouston got this all started by changing the lines, the sens came alive when the lines were changed, I want Clouston inside of me because he changed the lines”

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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 1, 2009 2:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

So Jim Hughson thought the Sens were the Canucks and announced accordingly??

Disappointed since 1984

by leafer1984 on Mar 1, 2009 2:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

“they got the blenders on the benches!”

and I heartily support any excuse to use Avenue Q

Making stuff up since real Leafs news is far too depressing

by loser domi on Mar 1, 2009 2:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

pretty accurate assesment

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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 1, 2009 2:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Seaking of Hughson, was this the first Leafs/Sens game in Ottawa he’d ever seen? He and his color guy couldn’t get over the crowd cheering for Toronto and booing Alfredsson, and they weren’t even as loud as they usually are.

Down Goes Brown - Unapologetically nostalgic for the past. Brutally realistic about the present. Grudgingly optimistic about the future.

by Down Goes Brown on Mar 1, 2009 2:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ive noticed he is particularly good at stating the obvious, so I just think that was just the case

Disappointed since 1984

by leafer1984 on Mar 1, 2009 2:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i think they thought the sens fans themselves were booing alfie when in reality…
the go leaf go chants were surprisingly subtle as well.

Bitches on my stick but my name ain’t Harry Potter.

by tugboats and arson on Mar 1, 2009 2:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously, I thought everyone in the league knew the deal by now.

by Ando Rich on Mar 1, 2009 5:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

RECAP 1 NNN 0

PUSHED DOWN SON

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by Chemmy on Mar 1, 2009 1:46 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Late equaliser

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by PPP on Mar 1, 2009 1:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

OH SNAP!

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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 1, 2009 1:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

lol

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by Chemmy on Mar 1, 2009 1:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Also, CuJo is pretty used to ruining the Sens’ day.

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by Chemmy on Mar 1, 2009 1:47 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

its his bread and butter

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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 1, 2009 1:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Linky missing?
Since, insane dreams aside, this season is over but for the revelling in others’ failures

I am fairly certain that you must have intended to insert a link to eyebleaf’s site here, God love ’em.

jrwendelman
The Artist Formerly Known as "Junior", who blogs at heroesinrehab.ca/blog

"But if someone so eager to engage into fist talk, we can always meet after season end in Minsk." (Mikhail Grabovski and a well-meaning but not particularly skillful translator)

by jrwendelman on Mar 1, 2009 1:58 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

hahaha

God Bless the optimist :)

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by PPP on Mar 1, 2009 1:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

God Bless help the optimist

Fixed.

Russians Do It Better.

by Mattblack on Mar 1, 2009 2:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i love you too, Mattblack

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by eyebleaf on Mar 1, 2009 2:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It’s the glue that makes us stronger.

Russians Do It Better.

by Mattblack on Mar 1, 2009 2:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

crazy glue?

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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 1, 2009 2:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i certainly fit the description.

i’m going ape shit and we’re 7 points out.

imagine if it becomes 5 points on tuesday night.

like bob cole would say, “OHHHH BAAAYBEEEEE”

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by eyebleaf on Mar 1, 2009 2:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

we’re gonna need the hose arnt we?

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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 1, 2009 2:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yes. yes we will.

because YES WE CAN

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by eyebleaf on Mar 1, 2009 2:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Leave Oback Barama out of this

by Ando Rich on Mar 1, 2009 5:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It might get to five points but expect the collapse to come right on schedule once the coverage turns from “Look at these idiot Leafs ruining their draft position” to “LOOK AT THESE LEAFS!!! PLAYOFFS!”

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by PPP on Mar 1, 2009 2:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

a small part of me has hope that Burke absolutly guts the team, gets max assets, and they keep winning.

stranger things have happened!

I think…..

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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 1, 2009 2:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Like when that horse got made Pope?

Russians Do It Better.

by Mattblack on Mar 1, 2009 2:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I like how he made Birth control a-ok with the church, that and free sugar cubes for everyone

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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 1, 2009 2:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

don’t stop believin!

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by eyebleaf on Mar 1, 2009 2:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

hold on to that feeeeeeelin’!

PLAYOFFS!!!!1

by LeafFanInVan on Mar 1, 2009 3:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

MAX RETUUUUUURNS!!!!!1

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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 1, 2009 3:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

STANLEY CUP!!!

by lordosis on Mar 1, 2009 3:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

2012 STANLEY CUP!!!

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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 1, 2009 3:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Any Cup would do obviously, but yes, 2012 is probably a reasonable estimation. There ain’t no rushing this procedure.

by lordosis on Mar 1, 2009 3:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

exactly, but if things go well, I have no reason to believe the Leafs couldnt challange in 2011 (IE excellent draft pics, Rick Nash, Jay Bowmiester, Backstrom…)

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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 1, 2009 3:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t want to overpay for Backstrom. No doubt he’s a great goalie, but I dont think he’s as good as his stats suggest. He’s in a good system.

Either develop Pogge, or see who’s available after Vesa’s contract runs out. I just hope Burke doesn’t overpay too badly for any FA in the next few years.

by lordosis on Mar 1, 2009 4:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, that hope…I better not shatter it by saying that Bouwmeester will go West to the highest bidder, Backstrom will go to the highest bidder (not the Leafs), and Nash will not come to Toronto if CBJ makes the playoffs this season. But excellent draft picks, here we come!

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by bkblades on Mar 1, 2009 4:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Nash will be unable to resist., the other two I honestly dont think the Leafs have a chance on.
Platooing Pogge and Toskala could be a good goaltending alternative.
Defense wise, i dunno, probably have to solve it through the draft, other than J-Bo I dont know of any other big name D free agents coming on the market

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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 1, 2009 4:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

A lot of solid ones IIRC, but no gamebreakers like Jay-Bo. And no one as young as Jay-Bo either. Bare minimum, we’re talking $7+ million per year for this guy, even in this economy.

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by bkblades on Mar 1, 2009 4:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I can't blame the guy.

I was him, last year. I remember a game against the Flyers in early March, being glued to the radio because it was a “must win” for us to make the playoffs.

I don’t seriously think we have a chance – it’s too hard to leapfrog over teams with this crazy everybody gets a point for showing up system the NHL has instituted – but I can’t stop cheering for them to win. I’m convinced that although the draft is deep, there isn’t an Ovechkin out there to snag, so it’s better for us to try and get a couple of first round picks, load up the cupboard where we can in the later rounds, spin the wheel of fortune and then get to work on making sure Ricky Nash pulls a Blue and White sweater over his head in 18 months’ time. Chemmy is right, I think, that it’s going to get worse before it gets better. I love it that this team is digging in its heels and refusing to go quietly, that speaks volumes for the character of the guys we have in the room.

jrwendelman
The Artist Formerly Known as "Junior", who blogs at heroesinrehab.ca/blog

"But if someone so eager to engage into fist talk, we can always meet after season end in Minsk." (Mikhail Grabovski and a well-meaning but not particularly skillful translator)

by jrwendelman on Mar 1, 2009 2:05 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Oops, 3,867th Reply FAIL

…to Triple P, supra.

jrwendelman
The Artist Formerly Known as "Junior", who blogs at heroesinrehab.ca/blog

"But if someone so eager to engage into fist talk, we can always meet after season end in Minsk." (Mikhail Grabovski and a well-meaning but not particularly skillful translator)

by jrwendelman on Mar 1, 2009 2:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If the Leafs make the playoffs, I’ll cheer my little black heart out, but I can no longer pretend that they can do it, not since I quit the hard stuff

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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 1, 2009 2:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I love the fact that they will not go quietly into the night.

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by eyebleaf on Mar 1, 2009 2:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

SPARTA!!!!

who doesnt like a courageous and hopeless last stand?

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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 1, 2009 2:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

I love the fight and it helps the kids on the team to see that they should not go quietly into the night but I don’t want the management strategy to change.

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by PPP on Mar 1, 2009 2:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

it’s going to be an interesting few days.

wednesday is going to be INSANE.

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by eyebleaf on Mar 1, 2009 2:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

or very very very very very anti-climactic

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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 1, 2009 2:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If the leafs get one more 1st rounder, I could care less about anything else

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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 1, 2009 2:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Which they should

Disappointed since 1984

by leafer1984 on Mar 1, 2009 2:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

How deep is 2010 draft

Would mid to late first rounders in that draft be decent? I know this is a really deep draft, but how is 2010?

by lordosis on Mar 1, 2009 2:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

a quick run down of the top 15-20 looks real good, most are pretty good bets to be solid NHLers at worst

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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 1, 2009 2:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

indeed, we just need one of the trade bait three to be moved, all should be able to fetch one

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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 1, 2009 2:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

im assuming you mean

Mayers, Moore and Stajan?
Right?

Disappointed since 1984

by leafer1984 on Mar 1, 2009 2:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

combined of course

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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 1, 2009 2:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Of course

In all seriousness, Nik, Kaberle and Kubina could get a 1st rounder each.

Disappointed since 1984

by leafer1984 on Mar 1, 2009 2:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

indeed, i am having drool inducing thoughts of what the max return could be if we got max for everyone
-Kabby – 1st, top prospect, roster
-Kubby – 1st, prospect, later pic
- Antro 1st, 2nd or 3rd
-Mayers – 3rd
- Stajan – prospect – 2nd
- Moore – Prospect -3rd or 4th

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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 1, 2009 3:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Dont think about that

It will only crush you when it doesnt happen

Disappointed since 1984

by leafer1984 on Mar 1, 2009 3:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

NEVER!

HOPE IS ETERNAL!!

MAX RETURNS!!!

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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 1, 2009 3:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Enjoy

The 24 you will be drinking on Wednesday night to comfort yourself. I know I will

Disappointed since 1984

by leafer1984 on Mar 1, 2009 3:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I work at 4am on weds, no drinky for me

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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 1, 2009 3:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

also

72 hours till go time!

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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 1, 2009 3:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

So, in order to for this to be even remotely possible, the Leafs need the following to happen between now and Wednesday morning:

  • FLA and PIT need to lose today
  • CAR, FLA, and PIT need to lose Tuesday
  • Toronto needs to beat New Jersey

Oh yeah, and those losses can’t result in Bettman points.

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by PPP on Mar 1, 2009 2:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

playoffs!

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by eyebleaf on Mar 1, 2009 2:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

so, just for curiosity sake, what if all the above doesnt happen and the leafs lose the next 5 straight?

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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 1, 2009 2:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

then it’s over.

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by eyebleaf on Mar 1, 2009 3:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

there he is, I knew your pessimist was in there somewhere!

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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 1, 2009 3:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

leave him be.

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by eyebleaf on Mar 1, 2009 3:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

he looks hungry, you should really feed him

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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 1, 2009 3:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

get outta my head!

by lordosis on Mar 1, 2009 2:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Its much cleaner than my place

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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 1, 2009 2:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Even If The Leafs Win ALL

Of their upcoming games against Ottawa, Tampa Bay, New Jersey, and the Islanders – which is 5 games – they still have games against Washington, Calgary, and Edmonton. I’d be shocked if they win over Washington or Calgary… and Edmonton might be a nail biter.

So that’s 6 out of the next 8, and they’d still only have a 31-28-12 (or 31-27-13 possibly) record. That’s 75 points after 71 games. They’d still need another 15 points to hit the 90 point plateau in the last 11 games. That means at least 6 wins and 3 OT losses… or a 6-2-3 record… which is optimistic considering they play Washington again, Boston, Buffalo twice, Philadelphia twice, Montreal twice, Florida and New Jersey one last time (with Marty Brodeur back between the pipes).

So if you think they can win 12 of their last 19 games with a schedule like that well… I think you’re frankly completely freaking insane. Just saying.

Oh and they’ll lose a couple of pieces on Wednesday which will make it that much harder… and the teams ahead of them might get better on Wednesday to boot. SO yeah… quit with the crap about making the playoffs. It makes Leaf nation look idiotic.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve@Leafs.HockeyAnalysis.com on Mar 1, 2009 9:34 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

The Edmonton game is a lock, since I will be in attendance.
They have never lost with me in the stands

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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 1, 2009 10:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Those last 11 games look brutal.

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by PPP on Mar 1, 2009 10:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Even If they get a split

against Philly, Montreal, Buffalo, and Washington… and Boston is pancaking right now (not likely to get a cup methinks)… that’s still only 5 wins. I don’t see them beating Florida, and New Jersey looks like gold right now that they’ve got their REAL starter back.

P.S. Now that Brodeur has two shut outs in three games, does anyone think we can stop the idea that Clemmensen had anything to do with New Jersey’s awesome play this year. Brodeur is obviously a better goalie, but I think that TEAM deserves credit more than anything.

They’re freaking awesome this season. If the Devils can upgrade their blue line I think they might be a good pick to come out of the East. Marty is rested to boot.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve@Leafs.HockeyAnalysis.com on Mar 1, 2009 10:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh I forgot the last game of the season against the Sens

Ok so make that 6 games that are “easily” winnable. Which includes two games I’ve given them against Tampa who they have yet to beat this season… anyway… yeah it’s not going to happen.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve@Leafs.HockeyAnalysis.com on Mar 1, 2009 9:36 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

LAYOFFS!!!!1

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