Winning Streaks, Draft Picks, and Tank Nation

I won't lie, all season when the Leafs lost and people would bring it up my go to response was "they're improving that draft pick". When Vesa Toskala put up stats that would make woman hide their children (lest they skid through his five hole and into the net) I said "fine, Toskala's helping our draft pick".
However, seeing Stralman, Mitchell, Oreskovic, and Schenn playing in this late season surge has made me a changed man. The Leafs winning streak won't get them to ninth in the conference and it probably won't make them draft any lower than ninth overall. Looking down the standings there's no way that Atlanta makes up nine points on the Leafs in their eight remaining games which means the Leafs won't have a chance at a lottery spot. In terms of draft spot watching, we as Leafs fans should be rooting for Dallas, Los Angeles, Phoenix, and Ott... no forget that last one I can't say it.
If the teams below us all win out and the Leafs stuff it Toronto might be sitting pretty with a sixth overall pick instead of an eighth or a ninth. Here's the ISS top ten right now:
- John Tavares
- Victor Hedman
- Magnus Svensson-Paajarvi
- Matt Duchene
- Brayden Schenn
- Evander Kane
- Jared Cowen
- Nazem Kadri
- Dmitri Kulikov
- Jacob Josefson
We're not getting John Tavares but in the range the Leafs will be drafting in there's Evander Kane, big hitter Jared Cowen, slick scorer Nazem Kadri, and outside the top ten there's still Ryan Ellis and Jordan Schroeder. My point? It's a deep draft. Don't worry about the draft. (Remember, Burke can trade up too.) Speaking of Burke, his Ducks finished eighth from the bottom two seasons before they won the Cup. Have a little faith. Burke's got some tricks up his sleeve.
Most important in all of this is a look at this late season surge. As Leafs fans we've seen it in each of the past three years. First was J.S. Aubin and the team of destiny going on an absolute tear in the final weeks of the season to finish in ninth (ugh). There was something about those JFJ teams that didn't decide to play hockey until March.
The key difference between this season and the past three seasons is that underachieving veterans aren't around this year. Burke has shipped them out of town. Burke and Fletcher have actively cleaned up the locker room, bringing in guys like CuJo, Mayers, and Brad May to show the younger guys how the game is supposed to be played. They're hard workers who don't back down from everything but they play the game right.
Those guys are showing this team what it needs to learn. There are no more vets in the locker room perpetuating their comfortable culture of losing. This is a young team that's buying what Ron Wilson is selling. In my eyes, this recent winning streak is the result of good coaching and it's going to benefit the young kids we have. This streak also says that Ron Wilson can do a good job in the locker room, focusing guys previously called "locker room cancers" like Grabovski and Blake. Looking at the best team in a salary capped league, the New England Patriots, one of the reasons they're so good is because of their locker room.
Not just the stars like Brady but the New England locker room is not a "me first" culture. The whole room knows it's a team and plays like a team. That allows the Patriots to bring in bad apples with high upside, like Randy Moss, cheaply and compete in a capped league.
The Leafs don't have any Terrell Owens-esque bad apples but coming up through the system they have guys like Mikhail Stefanovich who was widely regarded at a top 10 draft pick but fell to the fourth round because of his attitude and work ethic. With the right coach and the right locker room guys like that can fix their bad habits and seem like a draft day steal when they start producing.
Moreover, Schenn, Oreskovic, Mitchell, Kulemin, Grabovski, and Stralman are all part of a team that's winning right now. They know they can do the job on the NHL stage against teams jockeying for a playoff spot. They know they can hammer another nail in the Habs' coffin next week and in the end a confident group of young kids who know they can do the job they need to do is going to be more beneficial than drafting two spots higher.
There's a lot to be hopeful for Leafs fans. Rome wasn't built in a day but with the Leafs focused on player development both on and off the ice I think there's a lot to look forward to.
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I’m scared….
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 26, 2009 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Let’s not panic yet. It could still be false hope. At least we know what that feels like.
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 26, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Uh oh
It sounds like you’re seeing the light at the end of the tunnel.
Don’t you know you are supposed to stay away from that?
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I'll say it...
Too bad we couldn’t draft prospects in November.
When it mattered.
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by blurr1974 on Mar 26, 2009 10:22 AM EDT reply actions
Hope is better than religion (or the same?)
The guys slotted to go in the 8 and 9 spot in the draft look good to me. But I must admit a man crush on that “strong like bull, smart like streetcar” Kulikov. So far in the playoffs, Stefano is maintaining a goal a game pace for King Patrick and that amazing close to 25% shooting percentage. This is a good sign. During the season he scored 49 goals, but had 2 four goal games and 3 hat trick games, or a third of his season total of goals in just 5 games
Jared Cowen would be #3 if not for his knee injury. He’ll be a draft day steal when he comes back.
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It’s early in the rebuild the Leafs can afford to take the risk on him.
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other than 9 and 10 (just because i know nothing about them) any one of those top 8 would be great to pick up
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 26, 2009 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know. I am leery of anyone that has had such massive knee surgery. Except Antropov. Actually, yeah, let’s draft him and make everyone else in the league look stupid for not drafting him.
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I agree that it’s a gamble, but the gamble is: do you take a stay at home shut down defenseman with some offensive upside at #8 if he probably would have gone #3 pre-injury?
He’s a young kid he’ll bounce back from the surgery. Knee surgery is way way way more advanced today than it was even five years ago.
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A Schenn / Cowen combo would make forwards poop a little
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 26, 2009 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
If Antro can be awesome with one rebuilt knee imagine what Cowen could do with only one!
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by blurr1974 on Mar 26, 2009 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I am confident in Cowen bouncing back. I have seen him walking around at games, not relying on his crutches so I would think that is a good thing. His getting hurt was totally fluke. He has absolutely demolished others players and walked off like it was no thing. This is the first time Cowen has ever been on the injured list. So I would think that is a good thing; he takes care of himself. Whereas a few of our top players have been struck seemingly with Coliaccvo-itis as it were.
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by Wrap Around Curl on Mar 26, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Cool, we can put him in the shopping cart too. Somehow we need to get another pick in the first round.
by blue with age on Mar 26, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Kabby and Kubby!
we may get two more!
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 26, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly. What’s more valuable to the Leafs, two years of Tomas Kaberle, or drafting Evander Kane?
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theres that hope thing again
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 26, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Don’t you mean:
Exactly. What’s, more valuable, to the Leafs, two years, of Tomas Kaberle, or, drafting, Evander, Kane?, , ,
the answer is still the same
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 26, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes
Evander Kane if only for the sweet name.
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Nazem Kadri is a close second on the sweet name thing
and we cant forget wraps favourite name to say
Leeeevkoooooo kooooopeeeeeeer
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 26, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Why did you register a fake email to make that account?
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I am so confused
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 26, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Kaberle for Kane + Brayden Schenn = Now your talking!
by general borschevsky on Mar 26, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
that’s what I see happening. Burke may be happy enough with the depth that he sees no reason to trade up just to lose a player for a prospect.
Still, if he can get two top ten picks without losing our youth core you outlined above, I’d be happy.
We know he builds net out, and although they’re not sold on Pogge yet, I don’t think they feel any great pressure to do something about goaltending prospects. So, look for d-men to be the catch of the day in Burke’s eyes.
And Cowen will most certainly be on his radar.
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by blurr1974 on Mar 26, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
gigantic, mean, good skater (for his size), right up Burkies ally
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 26, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah. Gigantic and mean are my two favorite qualities in a defenseman.
I really like Chris Pronger, so take that for what it’s worth.
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I like Prongers game, but the dude is a upper echelon douchebag
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 26, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
You’d own five Pronger jerseys and we’d constantly laugh about him murdering people if he played for the Leafs.
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Reimer, Munro, and goalies normally go post first round.
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My impression is that the success of goalie prospects is so tough to forecast, plus they take longer post-draft to develop into NHLers, that it isn’t worth drafting them high in the first round.
by Its Cold In Here on Mar 26, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
If not for the knee injury
See Kluzak, Gord and Berehowsky, Drake.
Avoid knee injuries like the plague.
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Antro did pretty well and his knees are both pure titanium
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 26, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Antro did pretty well...
how many years after we drafted him?
1967ers has a good point.
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by blurr1974 on Mar 26, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Knee surgery in the 80s was hack and slash.
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If it were an exact science
Then Cowan is still #3.
This team needs home runs, not gambles.
Gamble in the fourth round if there’s another Stefanovich.
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Cowen flew to some super amazing knee surgeon/specialist in Minnesota to have his knee operated on. He’ll come back a beast. Especially since it’s absolutely killing him he can’t play right now.
Jared Cowen playing with a vengeance? Terrifying.
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by Wrap Around Curl on Mar 26, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
every opposing forward in the W just clenched
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 26, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
One of the most terrifying things I have ever seen was Cowen fighting someone who decided to run over Tokarski. He is ridiculously protective of goalies. That is the one time Cow Cow has fought. He doesnt need to, he just scares people. But please believe if he has to drop gloves, the other dude is gonna be eviscerated.
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by Wrap Around Curl on Mar 26, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
i like it.
Anyone shy of Chara or Larauque would probably think twice about going near the crease with Cowen on patrol.
especially if he fills out
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 26, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I am pretty sure he is bigger than his stats list him. I’d give him another inch and a half and 30 pounds.
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by Wrap Around Curl on Mar 26, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
yeha, but he’s only 18, he’s got more than a bit of growing to do, especially in the muscle department
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 26, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Well with all this downtime he is probably bulking up.
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by Wrap Around Curl on Mar 26, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Cowan better not end up with the senators like those posted mock drafts mention below.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Mar 26, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
If that were to happen, they would have me to deal with.
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by Wrap Around Curl on Mar 26, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
And Tokarski’s in Tampa. Poor you.
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The odds are Tokarski is leaving after this season. Its heartbreaking.
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by Wrap Around Curl on Mar 26, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
June 26th, Ottawa drafts Cowan.
June 27th Murrary found dead in Montreal back alley, Cowan missing
June 28th Burke trades a bag of pucks aka ryan Hollweg for the draft rights to Cowan, oddly they accept.
…and the rest is history
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by blindfolded tank driver on Mar 26, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
And somewhere around July y’all get a cryptic email from me implying I am abroad to escape murder charges.
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by Wrap Around Curl on Mar 26, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
thanks kitten
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by Wrap Around Curl on Mar 26, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
they’d just trade him and keep Wade Redden
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 26, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Defencemen with knee injuries is the story of the Leafs – you can add Gary Nylund to that list.
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Find me one badly injured junior they spent a high first round pick on.
That plays a major role.
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ya...
they drafted Datsyuk and Zetterberg so late because they were utterly convinced of their skills.
Seriously, you think that’s how they run their draft?
They got lucky and found some gems in the late rounds. Ladies and gentlemen, meet Tomas Kaberle…
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by blurr1974 on Mar 26, 2009 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Nah 1967ers is saying “bad injury in juniors” risk, not “risky unknown” picks.
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This is an important draft
You don’t screw it up on some kid with wrecked knees.
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Only one bum knee. I’d say that if the Leafs’ get any more first round picks (highly unlikely) that they use that one on Cowen and not the first one.
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That's more viable
There will be players who are for more certain in the top 8. Leafs get a second pick, then they can play games with it.
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i’ve never wanted a season to end as badly as i’ve wanted this one to.
Can’t wait for draft day.
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by blurr1974 on Mar 26, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Me too
And I don’t want Cowen. Best available, sure, but I don’t know if he is. How much will be known about his recovery by draft day?
I want a forward. We have good prospects on D.
Also, let’s all remember that it’s totally possible to get a franchise player at 6-9 overall. The “1-2 or bust” mentality, while understandable, is ludicrous.
I want more D. Our offense is young and scoring, we still give up a lot of goals against. Most of that is goaltending but I’d love to have a stacked blue line.
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I want both!
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 26, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
The only first line prospect I see on our team is Tlusty. Maybe Kulemin, but I’m doubtful. Grabs is a good #2 centre at best.
Ask the Habs how good a young talented team is with nothing elite down the middle.
I can see Hagman on the first line
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 26, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
no, but he will do
he has to
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 26, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
The Habs’ talent is all on the wings.
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I agree. Two monster D have more of an impact than one good forward.
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Yeah…I’d like to see us win 3-1 everynight witha ton of big hits.
Draft Schmaft....I wanna win the last 12 games.
by floridaLEAF on Mar 26, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Franchise player at 6-9
One example – Sittler, Darryl. :)
Yes, it’s a long time ago, but it’s the best Leaf example.
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Kabby!
ok well not FRANCHISE
but not too far off
not really 6-9 either
fail!
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 26, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Have you all seen this...?
http://www.sportscity.com/NHL-Mock-Draft
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by blurr1974 on Mar 26, 2009 11:18 AM EDT reply actions
god dont let the sens get Cowen
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 26, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
www.mynhldraft.com has a good mock draft too. Actually, it looks like they’ve copied that one.
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here's one guys take...
with analysis and everything for the top ten…
http://www.hockeytraderumors.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=10958
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by blurr1974 on Mar 26, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
sorry, that should have came out sounding sarcastic....
by blurr1974 on Mar 26, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
We would need to really pull up the tankability to finish with a 5 pick, and then trade 3 picks for Hedman, like it would be so easy.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Mar 26, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
i dont think its worth it anyways, I’m all for trading up, but if the LEafs finnish with the 7th or 8th over all pick like they most likely will, they will have to give up a ton to trade up to even the top 5.
I say we just get as much as we can for kabby or kubby and go for broke with drafting
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 26, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
I think trading up is something Burke will try to do, to make sure he gets the ideal player for his vision for the team, I’m just not sure he will use picks for it, when he has players he doesn’t see on his team going forward.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Mar 26, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
trading up isnt a bad idea by any streach, but id be happy with giving away say our first rounder and two of those second rounders (or whatever) to move up two spots than to trade twice that to move up 4 spots
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 26, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
I would trade up for Tavares or Hedman but 3-8 seems pretty close in my eyes and not worth the cost.
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We’re going to go insane when the Leafs finish 8th last and win the lottery.
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thats the spirit!
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 26, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Burke is going to send Brad May door to door threatening to beat up GMs if they don’t trade us their first rounders for our conditional future sixth rounders.
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Why send May...
…when he can send Wendel, Maple Leaf Ambassador. Or was he saving him for something bigger?
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by blindfolded tank driver on Mar 26, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Wendel is like the Atomic bomb, you have it so you DONT have to use it
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 26, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
you know who we should send?
GERBERSERKER!!!!
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 26, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Hahahah!
Draft Pick Seeking Gerberserker Missle! Watch it Islanders, he’s got you on his radar!
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by blindfolded tank driver on Mar 26, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Been saying it since October
It’s an exciting time to be a leaf fan. FINALLY, there is a light at the end of the tunnel. Another (should be) top ten pick, the kids playing well, OLAS (he deserves his own mention).
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 26, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
So what’s the cutoff for this year’s draft? Eight blue chip prospects? Or is it a more gradual slide than last year?
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by Down Goes Brown on Mar 26, 2009 11:54 AM EDT reply actions
according to Berger and Cox, its one pick before the Leafs draft
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 26, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
And yet it will be a terrible idea if they trade up.
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by Down Goes Brown on Mar 26, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
The Leafs draft x+1. X+1 in an x-player draft!
by general borschevsky on Mar 26, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Jordan Schroeder is ranked 12th by ISS and he’s a blue chip prospect.
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I think there is about 10-12 blue chippers and rest are potentials at being more than diamonds in the rough
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by blindfolded tank driver on Mar 26, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Im not convinced on Schroeder
I dunno what it is, but I’m not totally impressed.
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He has the skills of a blue-chip prospect, but we know why he’s fallen off the map. Two reasons actually: Small and American, or NCAA more specifically. By that I mean, if a Canadian prospect is performing just as well, more likely than not, the Canadian Junior prospect will usually be ranked higher.
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 26, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Once considered one of the deepest drafts in recent memory, it’s being downgraded just a tad recently. While the top 10 is just that – 10 deep of great prospects, the drop-off is apparently noticeable after the 10th pick. So this draft is very top heavy, but the depth isn’t as large.
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Idiots
Berger and that other dude just talking on Hockey Central, said the Leafs aren’t bad enough to properly rebuild. And then, honest to god, they just said that the Leafs won’t be able to land a player like Richards, Carter, Perry by finishing where they are.
I don't
The longest I made it was 2 minutes once before I wanted to run over a pedestrian as a proxy .
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Cowan
Anyone know why Cowan wasn’t invited to the WJC tryouts? The WJC was prior to his knee injury, I’d love to know why the WJC scouts took a pass.
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i thought that was Kane?
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 26, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Kane played in the tournament, he replaced another injured player.
I may be wrong about Cowen, but Kane definitely played
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Kane replaced Tyrell…and I think WJC usually avoids bringing underage/undrafted players when they have older players available. Also they had to leave openings for all those NHL level junior age players potentially being offered up at the last second. It saves them having to send home a kid when he’s having a good camp.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Mar 26, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
oh yes….thats it, i knew Kane was involved somehow.
I don’t know why Cowen didnt play though, he wasnt hurt until a month or so ago
Jared Spurgeon, his smaller, faster Spokane counterpart got an invite, but he didnt. no idea why
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 26, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
She lives in the past, unlike her counterpart Mr. Mattblack, who resides in the future.
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some of us just don’t have a need to be up in the morning, and some of us (like me) do…
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by blurr1974 on Mar 26, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
what time do you go to work brother?
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by blurr1974 on Mar 26, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
A good strategy in cali. An early start allows time to adjust to brush fires, earthquakes, mud slides, drive by shootings, tsunamis, droughts, the end of the world is near traffic jams and fully armed pissed off postal workers making saturday deliveries.
by blue with age on Mar 26, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
and....
i get first dibs on donuts.
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by blurr1974 on Mar 26, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Cowan was an underage player and Hockey Canada took a pass on him because this year’s team was going to be way too short on experience otherwise. To be honest, if guys like Schenn and Doughty didn’t make the NHL roster (and they weren’t expected to at the start of the NHL season), they would be automatic selections to the WJC and the back line would have looked even more different.
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Kulemin
Is my favourite rookie this season. Yes, more than Schenn and WIlliams. Why? because I expected Schenn to be solid and he hasn’t dissappointed, but Kulemin has absolutely surprised me. I love his game: Speed, smarts, and physical play. Age and some muscle will turn this kid into a force by late next season. My words, mark ’em!
Totally agree. Kulemin’s shown a lot and there is still more to come for sure.
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Some more size, strength and finish and we got ourselves one helluva steal
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 26, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
there you guys go again...
polishing the turd that was JFJ
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by blurr1974 on Mar 26, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I know
This is why GMs need 10 year contracts. ;)
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with no movement clauses!
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 26, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
It wasn’t JFJ’s amateur scouting that was the problem – it was the pro scouting.
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i still think in the end, he wasn’t strong enough to stand up to petty.
I really think a lot of those bad deals were at upper managements behest, and not necessarily JFJ’s.
but i’m pretty much alone in that camp.
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by blurr1974 on Mar 26, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Entirely possible
But I think most of the interference was on contracts for existing players, rather than some of the trades, which is where he really fell down.
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i admit he seemed to be challenged in that area, I just find it hard to believe there was unwanted interference in one area, and not in others.
still, we’ll never know. I just know, I don’t hate JFJ all that much. Could be because Cliff has managed to flip most of the deadweight to other teams….
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by blurr1974 on Mar 26, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
The thing that’s pretty amazing about JFJ is how few player-for-player swaps the guy made in five years. Almost every deal involved picks and prospects going out and marginal talent coming in.
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also you can polish a turd, mythbusters proved it!
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 26, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
but...
can you polish JFJ?
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by blurr1974 on Mar 26, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe
He was a decent scout, he just didnt know how to negotiate trades or contracts. He also never had full control of that team, he was Peddie’s puppet.
When he came in, he wanted to do a full rebuild, the board would not allow it.
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Maybe not
When he came in (summer of 2003) the Leafs were a 100 point franchise that were a post-season lock. The alleged re-building plan that was denied by the Board was in 2006.
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Touche
BUt the lockout was the next year, so thats a wash. I’m not defending JFJ by any means. I just dont think he had full control of that team.
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