Nik Antropov Dealt to the New York Rangers : A City (blogger?) Weeps
by PPP on Mar 4, 2009 2:58 PM EST
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Who needs Batman? Gotham just got SuperAntro
It is official. The Toronto Maple Leafs have traded away my favourite player. They sent him to the New York Rangers for a second rounder and a conditional pick. Does that properly compensate the team? Considering he is a rental it's not too bad I guess. The larger question is whether it properly compensates me for the years of waiting for him to begin to reach the potential that got him drafted 10th overall? Not really.
As much as people hated Antropov for his fragility (fans might call it bad luck) he had finally proven that not only could he produce points but he could even do it without having to ride shotgun with Mats Sundin. He overcame two rebuilt knees and the hatred of fans who cheered just three short seasons ago when he was a scratch. He loved the city, began his family here and even became a Canadian citizen.
Now the Leafs have some picks that might turn into something instead of a player that had put up 0.70 points per game for the past 180+ games, was 6'6" and loved to go to the front of the net on the powerplay.
The Rangers acquire a player that immediately becomes their leading scorer and second in points and all that for about $5M and 58 years less than Scott Gomez.
Maybe he'll come back in the summer...
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I AM SO FUCKING DEPRESSED!!!!!!!
Please come back Antro :(
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sorry, brother.
this is a bullshit trade.
2nd rounder and a conditional. fuck that. Antro’s only 29. just coming into his prime.
fuck!
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He's a rental
Gotta remember that
"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)
For a rental.
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"But if someone so eager to engage into fist talk, we can always meet after season end in Minsk." (Mikhail Grabovski and a well-meaning but not particularly skillful translator)
It certainly wasn’t ever publicized, but did they ever even discuss resigning him? If not, what is Burke’s issue with him? (Other than not being Canadian)
Southern fried hockey...mmmm, tasty.
I’m guessing his inability to stay completely healthy (which is bullshit using this year as a prime example), and for a 6’6" guy, Antro didn’t really use his size as normally construed (laying out bodies, even though he used it well in front of the net and the cycles down low, but those don’t count, right?) pissed Burke off.
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Poni's gone too...
our Eastern Bloc.
Shattered.
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nixed
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 4, 2009 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
Poni’s still a Leaf?
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yup
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 4, 2009 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
EXCELLENT
PLAYOFFFS!!!!!!!!!!!1111
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Dominic Moore (F) Toronto Maple Leafs Unknown
quality journalism…
Как же так может быть?
2nd round draft pick
"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)
ugh, what a depressing day we lose two of my favourite players for a 60% chance at drafting an NHL player and a conditional and now we have to suffer Gerber jokes
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This is not at all turning out the way I’d hoped.
by general borschevsky on Mar 4, 2009 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
Hey, Gerber can take you to the playoffs and then let Pogge takeover
You win the 2 games in hand, you are 6 points out or so.
Keep on beleafing!
I dont mind this deal
Burke didnt want him, got something for him. We all knew he wasnt gonna get a 1st for him.
On the bright side, our team is THAT much worse.
Disappointed since 1984
Agree
HOWEVER in hindsight we can say that Burke screwed the pooch by publicly saying he won’t resign Antro, in the end he lost a lot of leverage there
"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)
But what if Burke lied? Common knowledge that Antropov wants to play in Toronto.
by Blue and White Expat on Mar 4, 2009 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
I’m saying in hindsight, it was a mistake
"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)
And it was a pissy way for Burke to handle it like that, too. Especially to a guy who never complained, never moaned, and never made his feelings public about contract negotiations. It was just a piss poor manner in how Burke handled Antro.
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Considering that, I have a hard time seeing Antro coming back to T.O. next season unless they offer him a good wad of cash
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Not really
Burke said he couldn’t see signing Nik the way he was playing. That leaves it open for Nik to change Brian’s mind.
Leaf, the universe and everything.
True
But it was publicly known that Burke had been to trying to sign Moore for like 3 days while no offers were ever given to Antro so everyone know Antro was going to be traded for sure
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Also
Off topic, anyone watching the Sutter Press Conference? Doesnt he sound like Bill Murray from Caddyshack?
Disappointed since 1984
He looks like he rode his tractor to the Saddledome
by Its Cold In Here on Mar 4, 2009 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
Has a rental player ever signed with their original team the following season?
Would an agreement between Antro and Burke to resign next season be kosher, or against some sort of NHL rule? (I know this won’t happen, but hypothetically.)
by Its Cold In Here on Mar 4, 2009 3:15 PM EST reply actions
Thachuk
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 4, 2009 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
Doug Weight has done this, if I’m not mistaken.
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Yes
Went to Carolina and won the cup with them and resigned with St. Louis the following year?
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Good to know it can happen. But it’s still a pretty small chunk of rentals it seems.
by Its Cold In Here on Mar 4, 2009 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
Well at least now I’m not expecting sweet fuck all at the draft
to bed I go
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so to recap we lose our “only top 6 forward” and the Blake catalyst for 2 seconds and a conditional. Now I see why Burke was never big on deadline moves, he can’t make them
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Im alright
Would you trade copper for gold? Thats the situation Burke is in.
Disappointed since 1984
I give Burke about 40% blame on this one but you have to remember that there were better players out there up for grabs that teams wanted more then Moore or Antro, also the potential for a tighter cap and poor economy means teams were gonna be more thrifty then ever
"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)
I blame Burke for blabbing to every media outlet about how stupid GM;s are on trade deadline. who wanted to make deal with him after that?
by The Meatriarchy on Mar 4, 2009 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
totally agree.
he needs to shutup
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I agree
but again, only 40%
"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)
how are you allocating percentiles to this?
40 years we've stayed loyal, waited, and pained. That is the honor of being a Leafs' fan.
Any hope that Burke had some master plan for the deadline was unwarranted. But we still have the summer!
by Its Cold In Here on Mar 4, 2009 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
Before I start hating Burke’s guts TOO badly, I’d like to know what didn’t end up getting done.
by Blue and White Expat on Mar 4, 2009 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
Didn’t end up flipping Gerber or trading poni. YAWN
by The Meatriarchy on Mar 4, 2009 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
More along the lines of what deals were attempted and didn’t happen – and why.
by Blue and White Expat on Mar 4, 2009 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
If you actually expected that to change you’re nuts.
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by PPP on Mar 4, 2009 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
I think we got ripped off on the Antro and Moore deals
I mean cmon. Both have 40+ points and 2nds were all we got??
Not
great deals but not ripped off either
I think it was unreasonable for us to expect high returns for one player who hasn’t seen the playoffs in 5 years and another who hasn’t seen the playoffs at all especially when they’re gonna be rentals for playoffs
"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)
I get that but
BB has been portrayed as our saviour. I was hoping he’d be able to work a miracle and fleece someone
WE portrayed BB as our saviour
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Makes last years’ returns for Belak, Gill, and Kilger look like a bounty.
by general borschevsky on Mar 4, 2009 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
I guess the Kaberle/Kubina trade watch this summer begins
along with the will He sing J-Bo speculation.
Its a long way to draft day people…..
what happened to all the talk about us taking on bum contracts and brokering deals with all the cap space we have
That was never going to happen. Teams are only on the hook for 40 days of salary. They aren’t going to pay to get rid of that.
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by PPP on Mar 4, 2009 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
Plus I think he would only take on contracts that are expiring within two years and that’s not what people wanted to dump.
by The Meatriarchy on Mar 4, 2009 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
Triple P
you want to hug it out?
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Ugh, I’m going to need one, too. I love Antro and so peeved at how he was treated this season.
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come here, BK. come to me.
i don’t get it. how does antro get only a 2nd rounder, after back to back 20 goal seasons…and moore puts up one crazy season and gets a 2nd…i mean, moore had never got more than 18 points before…
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Moore can skate, has great speed and has shown that he can jump start players who are under-performing.
Antropov is injury prone, streaky, and slow as molasses.
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but a 20 goal scorer. with great hands. and healthy right now.
i don’t know.
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That tells you what the market is for 20 goal rentals…Guerin only went for a fifth rounder.
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yeah i can’t compare guerin to antro
guerin, recchi and roberts are trade deadline whores. and weight too.
antro is worth a contract offer of $3.5
but burke didn’t even try. stubborn fool.
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Eye, I love you but you’re really talking out of your ass here. Burke didn’t even try What is this, a John Hughes film?
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i meant try on a contract offer.
not on trading him.
i would have liked for him to try and sign him. at least make the offer. by all accounts, there was no discussion
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Maybe we get him in the summer and it’s win win? Maybe his contract demands were unreasonable?
The sky is not falling here.
Not what I heard…Antro was asking for too much was what I picked up.
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Not true
By differing accounts there was talk and no talk. I doubt Burke just said that he wasn’t even going to bother trying. That would be ridiculous and negligent.
And for the record, I heard 5 years at $5M per year.
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by PPP on Mar 4, 2009 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
the problem is...
you’re too wrapped up in the player.
we got exactly what he’s worth.
I’m not at all shocked on the returns, I was hoping for more, sure, but I didn’t really expect it.
"We’re looking forward to building the type of team the Rangers are able to buy."
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by blurr1974 on Mar 4, 2009 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
i’m wrapped up in the player because he’s been one of our best the last 2 years man!!!!!!
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and...
we’ve been at best, a 9th place team…
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by blurr1974 on Mar 4, 2009 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
agreed. but that’s more a reflection on the team. especially the goaltending.
but i see your point. let’s see what happens in the summer.
i trust that it was the best deal on the table. so, if he wasnt’ going to sign him, he took the best deal on the table.
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I said this in another thread and the return isn’t what I’m so upset about per se. I was expecting too much more from Antro to be honest. But what I am pissed about is if this was going to be the return anyway, why the need to publicly blast Antropov and insult him further by saying the team had no interest whatsoever in re-signing him? Antropov wasn’t a bad seed, had tenure on the team, and made it clear he loves the Leafs. So what the fuck was the point, other than irrational tact and coldhearted nature, in alienating Antropov? Fuck Brian Burke if that’s how he treats people he doesn’t like
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Did Antro not get a conditional pick either? If that is true, this is fucking ridiculous.
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Per TSN: There is a lineup at NHL Trade Registry— “We still do expect some trades to come down in the next few minutes.”
So quick question, how bad did we get hosed in the Moore deal.
by Zachary Zielonka on Mar 4, 2009 3:28 PM EST reply actions
In terms of a Sabres fan, how bad did I get screwed on the Moore deal
by Zachary Zielonka on Mar 4, 2009 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
He fits in great with the Sabres. You’ll like him. It was a fair deal.
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by PPP on Mar 4, 2009 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
not bad at all
he’s not worth much more than that
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by blurr1974 on Mar 4, 2009 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
Moore’s deal was fine. There was no way he should have got more than Antro, and that didn’t happen. Antro’s deal was lacklustre though.
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We should have told Sather to go fuck himself and kept Antropov if he didn’t want to give us something better than a conditional.
by Blue and White Expat on Mar 4, 2009 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
So what are we at now:
Hags – Garbo – Kulemin
Stemp – Mitchell – Blake
Poni – Stajan – Stapes
Hollweg – Mayers – May
I think we could fall back into the bottom five with that
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And don’t forget that Gerber is our “number 1” goalie for the rest of the year.
by Blue and White Expat on Mar 4, 2009 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
I’d rather have Cujo
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I’d rather have me for fuck’s sake.
by Blue and White Expat on Mar 4, 2009 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
Better mask, and really what else do we care about w.r.t. a goalie this season?
by Its Cold In Here on Mar 4, 2009 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
what? Cujo’s mask > Gerber’s anyday
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We still want Raycrap to finish with a lower save-percentage that ToskaLOL
by Blue and White Expat on Mar 4, 2009 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
Gerber has better numbers than Pogge, Toskala and Joseph. That’s rather frightening.
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I think May is too old
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if we playing by skill level then good thing Antro left, then we’d be put in Mite for his lack of skating ability.
What? too soon?
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Yup
Because he’s a good skater he just has a long stride so people that aren’t used to skating don’t realize that it’s a smooth stride.
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by PPP on Mar 4, 2009 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
We could just trade places with the Marlies, see what happens.
by Blue and White Expat on Mar 4, 2009 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
take out hollweg and replace with anything. even nothing.
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True – no loss at either end of the ice, and fewer penalties.
by Blue and White Expat on Mar 4, 2009 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
I love the TSN set
With the random laughing, and jay feaster doodling in the background
by Its Cold In Here on Mar 4, 2009 3:33 PM EST reply actions
Leafs Deadline Recap Up
http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2009/3/4/780771/leafs-deadline-recap
http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2009/3/4/780771/leafs-deadline-recap
http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2009/3/4/780771/leafs-deadline-recap
Discuss deals besides Antropov there. When this thread fills up go there. ;)
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TB and FLA swapped D men
some trades still coming thru, eminger for Welch…
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by blurr1974 on Mar 4, 2009 3:34 PM EST reply actions
p.s.
I added a poll and can see how people vote. Consider this your loyalty test. The Gulags have been emptying and I need new diggers.
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but i seriously don’t know what rending is. is that like rendering? in which case, ew
Making stuff up since real Leafs news is far too depressing
Tearing
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by PPP on Mar 4, 2009 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
Or that, for a less creative metaphor.
by Blue and White Expat on Mar 4, 2009 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
I’m sorry, boo.
Ain't nothing but puck drops and poke checks, babydoll.
Now Princess Game Thread.
by Wrap Around Curl on Mar 4, 2009 8:17 PM EST reply actions
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