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Leaf Draft Pick Trading (Cliff / Burke era) revisited

Deadline day officially blows.   Screw you and your salary cap Bettman.

With all the 'excitement' out of the way, it's probably a good time to take another look at what picks have been moved in the post-JFJ era and how we're looking for the 09 draft.

 

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 I've included the Toskala trade here since it involved an 09 pick, the rest are Cliff and Burke's moves so far.   We're not looking as stacked as I was hoping for the upcoming draft, but a couple of shrewd draft day moves could change that.  And Burke better get busy on restocking picks for the 2010 draft. 

Traded     Received    
GM Toronto traded To Toronto Received 2008 2009 2010 Total 2008 2009 2010 Total
JFJ 2007 1st (Lars Eller) and 2nd (Aaron Palushaj), 2009 4th SJ Vesa Toskala, Mark Bell   4th   1       0
Cliff Hal Gill PIT 2008 2nd (Jimmy Hayes);  2009 5th (traded)   0 2nd 5th 2
Cliff Wade Belak FLA 2008 5th (Jerome Flaake)       0 5th     1
Cliff Chad Kilger FLA 2008 3rd (traded)   0 3rd 1
Cliff 2008 3rd (from fla - James Livingston) STL Jamal Mayers 3rd     1       0
Cliff 2009 5th (from pitt) NYR Ryan Hollweg   5th 1 0
Cliff 2008 1st and 3rd, 2009 2nd NYI 2008 1st 1st, 3rd 2nd   3 1st     1
Cliff Bryan McCabe; 2010 4th FLA Mike VanRyn   4th 1 0
Cliff Greg Pateryn; 2010 2nd MON Mikhail Grabovski     2nd 1       0
Cliff Carla Cola, Alex Steen STL Lee Stempniak   0 0
Burke Conditional 2010 6th ANA Brad May     6th 1       0
Burke Nik Antropov NYR 2009 2nd Round Pick, Conditional Pick   0 2nd 2
Burke Dominic Moore BUF 2009 2nd Round Pick (from Carolina)       0   2nd   1
Burke Richard Petiot TBAY Kolzig, Heward, Rogers, 09 4th       0   4th   1
3 3 3 9 4 4 0 9

Traded     Received    
GM 2008 2009 2010 Total 2008 2009 2010 Total
Cliff 3 2 2 7 4 1 0 5
Burke 0 0 1 1 0 3 0 4
TOTAL 3 2 3 8 4 4 0 9

Summary
Total since JFJ fired:  9 draft picks in, 8 draft picks out --- Leafs up 1 pick
2008: 4 picks in, 3 out --- up 1 for 2008 (2nd round pick, used for Jimmy Hayes)
2009: 4 picks in, 2 out --- up 2 for 2009 (only up 1 when you factor in JFJ's Toskala Trade)
2010: 0 picks in, 3 out --- down 3 for 2010 (2nd - Grabovski trade;  4th - McCabe trade; Conditional 6th - May trade)
Unknown Conditional Pick  coming via Antropov trade
In 2009 Draft Leafs have:
1st
2nd (Rangers)
2nd (Carolina)
4th (TBay)
3rd

5th

6th
7th

And while I'm at it, here's a summary of all the players moved by Cliff and Burke:

 

Cliff   Burke  
In Out In Out
Jamal Mayers Hal Gill Brad May Nik Antropov
Ryan Hollweg Wade Belak Martin Gerber Dominic Moore
Mike Van Ryn Chad Kilger Olaf Kolzig (IR) Mark Bell (waivers)
Mikhail Grabovski Bryan McCabe Jamie Heward (IR) Richard Petiot
Lee Stempniak Greg Pateryn Andy Rogers  
  Carlo Colaiccovo Eric Reitz  
  Alex Steen    
  Kyle Wellwood (waivers)    
  Darcy Tucker (buyout)    
  Andrew Raycroft (buyout)    

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Thanks for the update daoust

Looks like four of the six players Burke has acquired so far will likely never put on a Maple Leafs jersey in the future. I also can’t remember a team trading for two players on the IR in the same trade in quite some time.

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by bkblades on Mar 4, 2009 8:10 PM EST reply actions  

The deal wasn’t about getting players onto our roster, though. It was about the pick, and all those guys are just the baggage that came along with it.

by koopa kid on Mar 5, 2009 8:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Of course, and I’m well aware of the intent of those trades, especially the last one that netted the team a 4th round pick. It was a mere observation that clearly illustrates what Burke was trying to do – buying a draft pick. There’s only one major league sport that explicitly buys draft picks, so I’ll be curious if the league continues to allow creative trades that obviously try to circumvent costs. Tampa traded all those “players” so they can go under the set salary cap mark in order to get revenue sharing.

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by bkblades on Mar 5, 2009 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Apparently

Those kinds of deals are technically against the CBA. Mirtle’s post had some details on it.

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by PPP on Mar 5, 2009 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

And the other two

don’t deserve to don the herald Blue and White

by Blinky on Mar 4, 2009 9:18 PM EST reply actions  

Blaming the cap is one thing but its not the lone factor at play, we’re in this situation because Leafs management has dug themselves into it for quite a few years, its a deep hole and Burke/Fletcher isn’t going to ride in on a steed and magically fix everything in even two years worth of trades.

It’ll take time but its not impossible, yea the cap is slowing down the process and you can’t simply just throw money at problems anymore to make them go away, and yes its detrimental to a team such as the Leafs with deep pockets but whatever, I guess I’m not willing to sacrifice the health of the league just for Leaf success on the ice.

"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)

by Winkle on Mar 5, 2009 8:51 AM EST reply actions  

2 moves stand out

There are 2 moves there that really stick out a year later.

Getting a 2nd and 5th for Hall Gill is unreal. That’s more than Antropov .. boy the market has dropped in a year. And the Kilger for a 3rd drills that point home (more than Guerin)

The other is that we actually gave up a 4th round pick plus McCabe for VanRyan. While Mike has played well, he is (and was) often injured, and McCabe statistically was the better player.

by hallandnash on Mar 5, 2009 1:34 PM EST reply actions  

The other is that we actually gave up a 4th round pick plus McCabe for VanRyan. While Mike has played well, he is (and was) often injured, and McCabe statistically was the better player.

It’s been indicated that the 4th round with McCabe was necessary to not only Florida to take him, but also as a show of good faith, since Florida got absolutely nothing from Kilger since he didn’t even report to the team.

Supporter of the Sergei Berezin "Give and Go" - You give me puck, then you go to hell

by bkblades on Mar 5, 2009 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Fletcher definitely did better than expected despite being handcuffed by JFJ.

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by PPP on Mar 5, 2009 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

  Hate to continue to harp on the point but considering the trade market this year as compared to last year makes me even more pissed that Sundin masterminded the ’Let’s All Refuse To Waive Because I Think We Can Make The Playoffs And Then Who Knows What Might Happen’ movement, or LARTWBITWCMTPATWKWMH for short.

  As much as we might hope that Burke can get high returns on players this summer, the way it looks now we can’t expect to see values as high as last years deadline anytime soon. And if Calgary doesn’t make the final and maybe even win the Cup I think GM’s will be even more reluctant to give up the future for immediate help.

   I hope Burke’s public belittling of players doesn’t hurt his chances of signing quality free agents because I think that’s the only way this team is going to change much in the near future.

   I can’t actually hate him for trying to drag the Leafs into the playoffs, especially since he wasn’t sure if he’d ever play again. But still, Why Mats, Why???

by Mirinov's Nose on Mar 7, 2009 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

if mats was the only reason all those guys wanted to stay, why did tucker have to be bought out? and why do kabby and kubina still want to stay here? mccabe left only because it was made pretty f-in clear that he was not in management’s plans going forward, otherwise i think he would have stayed too. these are all adults and they made their own decisions – they don’t just do whatever mats tells them to. there are obviously many reasons why these guys want to continue to live and play in Toronto. they’re human beings with families to think about – they’re not hockey robots, as much as we want them to be.

and i’d rather things play out the way they did than to ever have to see mats wearing a fucking habs jersey. horrible. like chris higgins and that late first rounder (almost a 2nd rounder really) would have changed things for this team in any meaningful way.

by daoust on Mar 7, 2009 2:48 PM EST up reply actions  

and i’d rather things play out the way they did than to ever have to see mats wearing a fucking habs jersey. horrible. like chris higgins and that late first rounder (almost a 2nd rounder really) would have changed things for this team in any meaningful way.

Am I surprised more people haven’t brought this up? daoust is right – this was an absolute terrible offer for Sundin. As if Sundin’s trade would have propelled this team into a glorious rebuild is ridiculous, especially for such an offer like that proposed.

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by bkblades on Mar 7, 2009 6:42 PM EST up reply actions  

There’s the Antropov mystery pick, too.

Leaf, the universe and everything.

by 1967ers on Mar 5, 2009 2:05 PM EST reply actions  

It sounds like it might be nothing unless the Rangers fluke their way to the ECF…COME ON RANGERS!

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by PPP on Mar 5, 2009 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

True, but I doubt the Leafs see it. The Rangers have to win two rounds in the playoffs, which at this point, looks suspect.

Supporter of the Sergei Berezin "Give and Go" - You give me puck, then you go to hell

by bkblades on Mar 5, 2009 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

ah

I hadn’t heard the conditions attached as of yet.

Leaf, the universe and everything.

by 1967ers on Mar 5, 2009 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow, I thought the Rangers just had to get to the semis. If they have to win for us to get the pick … well we’re not getting that pick!

by Its Cold In Here on Mar 6, 2009 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

The NHL semis and the EC Finals.

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by PPP on Mar 6, 2009 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

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