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Leaf of the Day - Mar 5, 2009 - Nik Antropov

Editor's Note: For future reference, this is a great way to get in my good books. Front paged because I love Antropov and I will miss him. It's sad that he priced himself out of a future with the Leafs but he can show us how much he loves the city and the team by coming home July 1st.

Mar 5, 2009 - Nik Antropov

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The Leafs went off the board in 1998 and took Nik Antropov 10th overall.  Rumours abounded at the time that there was a very unhappy group of Oiler execs (drafting #11, I believe, I could look it up but I won't) who had thought that nobody else had been looking at him.  There might have been safer picks, but the Leafs liked what they saw in this big kid from Kazakhstan, and from that day, the term "lanky Kazakh" was added to the Leaf lexicon.

Nik surprised pretty much everyone by making the team in 1999-2000.  He didn't play a ton, but got a nice hat trick against the Panthers.  There was room to hope.

The problem with Nik was the same thing that beset a number of other high Leaf picks - injuries.  The first one was a knee that blew out in Ottawa.  By the time he was about 24, he'd had major surgery on both knees and one shoulder.  Big guys tend to look slow to begin with, and knee trouble made Antropov look positively glacial at times.  He had a good 2002-03 season with 16 goals and 45 points, but didn't seem to take off from there.

Star-divide

As a result of his struggles, Antropov became a target for the boo birds and there were occasions where the biggest cheers of the night would be when he was listed as a scratch during the warmups.

He turned it around, though.  Playing with Sundin and Ponikarovsky helped, but being healthy for the first time in his career was a bigger factor.  Over the past 2-3 seasons he won over most of his detractors and was generally considered amongst the Leafs' better forwards.

30-odd games into this season, Nik was a point-per-game player.  He hit a huge drought in December/January that seemed to do him no favours with management.  There has been a lot of criticism of Burke announcing his displeasure with Nik, but he never said Nik wouldn't get a contract offer.  What he said was that Nik wouldn't merit a contract offer the way he was playing.  He was not incorrect in this.  The statement put the onus on Nik to earn his next deal, if he wanted it. 

We don't know whether there was much contract talk or not.  After being relatively cheap for most of his career, there were rumblings that he wanted a bigger deal and the odds of that happening here were remote.

So today is Nik's first full day as a Ranger, where he is now their leading goal-scorer and one point away from being their best point-getter.  There were those who thought he would bring a first-round pick (or more) in return.  Hard to imagine, though.  The big packages for players like Kaberle were driven not just by the calibre of player but by the contracts they had.  When the Leafs were paying high prices for Brian Leetch, he still had a year left on his deal.  Nik Antropov is under contract for the next 18 games plus whatever the Rangers do in the offseason.  They also get negotiating rights until July 1.  I can't see that being worth that much more than a second plus a conditional.

Anyway, good luck, Nik.  Hope it works out for you and we'll see what the summer brings.

Nik's stats:

1996-97  Torpedo Ust-Kamenogorsk   Russia-2   8 2 1 3 6          
1996-97  Kazakhstan  WJC-B  6 1 0 1 4
1997-98  Torpedo Ust-Kamenogorsk  Russia-2  42 15 24 39 62
1997-98  Kazakhstan  WJC-A  7 0 6 6 8
1997-98  Kazakhstan  EJC-D  5 23 31 54
1998-99  Dynamo Moscow  Russia  30 5 9 14 30 11 0 1 1 4
1998-99  Dynamo Moscow  EuroHL  5 3 1 4 10 3 0 0 0 0
1998-99  Kazakhstan  WJC-A  6 3 5 8 14
1999-00  Toronto Maple Leafs  NHL  66 12 18 30 41 +14 3 0 0 0 4
1999-00  St. John's Maple Leafs  AHL  2 0 0 0 4 0
2000-01  Toronto Maple Leafs  NHL  52 6 11 17 30 +5 9 2 1 3 12
2001-02  Toronto Maple Leafs  NHL  11 1 1 2 4 -1          
2001-02  St. John's Maple Leafs  AHL  34 11 24 35 47 9
2002-03  Toronto Maple Leafs  NHL  72 16 29 45 124 +11 3 0 0 0 0
2003-04  Toronto Maple Leafs  NHL  62 13 18 31 62 +7 13 0 2 2 18
2004-05  Ak Bars Kazan  Russia  10 2 3 5 6
2004-05  Lokomotiv Yaroslavl  Russia  26 4 15 19 44 9 3 4 7 18
2005-06  Toronto Maple Leafs  NHL  57 12 19 31 56 +13          
2005-06  Kazakhstan  Olympics  5 1 0 1 4
2006-07  Toronto Maple Leafs  NHL  54 18 15 33 44 +8          
2007-08  Toronto Maple Leafs  NHL  72 26 30 56 92 +10          
2008-09  Toronto Maple Leafs  NHL  63 21 25 46 24 -13          
Leaf/NHL Totals    509 125 166 291 477 +54 28 2 3 5 34

- Signed as a free agent by Kazan (Russia), October 27, 2004.
- Signed as a free agent by Yaroslavl (Russia), December 20, 2004.
- Traded to New York Rangers by Toronto for New York's second-round pick in the 2009 Entry Draft and a conditional pick, March 4, 2009.

the HHOF take on Nik: 

The Toronto Maple Leafs surprised many hockey observers when they drafted big center Nik Antropov tenth overall in the 1998 NHL Entry Draft. Though NHL Central Scouting had him pegged as the 17th best European available, the Leafs made him the second European drafted and made it quite clear they felt they'd secured the sleeper of the draft.

Antropov, a towering 6'5 forward, hails from Kazakhstan, a region that is not often heavily scouted. Though the Maple Leafs drew criticism for the first round gamble, many critics were quickly silenced when after just two games in the minors Antropov was called up by the Maple Leafs --- and stayed with them for the full campaign.

Antropov made an immediate impression during his rookie season, accumulating 30 points as a rookie. However, his rookie season ended on a sour note, when he blew out his knee in a playoff game against the Ottawa Senators.

During his second season Antropov's totals dipped when he scored just six goals and 17 points, though he was recovering from the knee surgery. In order to regain some conditionning, Antropov was assigned to St. John's. Once in St. John's, Antropov regained his confidence and began to score at an impressive clip posting 35 points in 34 games. However, bad luck struck again and once again, Antropov suffered a season-ending knee injury.

As the 2002-03 season began, many wondered what Antropov's future would hold. Early indications dictated how the hulking forward's season would go, as Antropov utilized his size and strength in the corners to create room for himself and his fellow linemates and thus established personal bests in goals (16), assists (29) and points (45).

Before travelling overseas during the NHL lockout to compete with both Ak Bars Kazan and Lokomotiv Yaroslavl, Antropov would miss 20 NHL games during the 2003-04 season with the Maple Leafs due to a shoulder injury. He suffered through two more injury plagued seasons in 2005-06 and 2006-07 with unrelated injuries but returned in 2007-08 relatively healthy.

In his second season of a two-year contact with the Maple Leafs, Antropov set new career highs with 26 goals, 30 assists for 56 points in his 72 games played.

On the international stage, Antropov represented his native country Kazakhstan in the 2006 Winter Olympcis in Turin.

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Be far, one of my favourite Leafs of the post-1993 years. And amazingly, he has been a plus player throughout his career, which shows that skating speed isn’t the only important factor in being a defensively aware player.

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by bkblades on Mar 5, 2009 1:49 PM EST reply actions  

The big minus this year is way out of character. He’s always been good defensively.

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by 1967ers on Mar 5, 2009 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

A guy who plays both on the PK and PP – not too shabby at all for a player so maligned like Antro.

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by bkblades on Mar 5, 2009 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

!

Was there any doubt that this was going on the front page?

Antro was more of a player than most people would ever care to admit. Just wait until Monday when I can finally pen my ode to Antro.

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by PPP on Mar 5, 2009 1:54 PM EST reply actions  

Wonderful Eulogy

Thanks 1967ers. That was a great read.

by Kim Jorn on Mar 5, 2009 1:56 PM EST reply actions  

1997-98 Kazakhstan EJC-D 5 23 31 54

Hahahahahahahaa 54 points in 5 games.

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by Chemmy on Mar 5, 2009 1:59 PM EST reply actions  

It helps when you score 10 gals in a game.

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by bkblades on Mar 5, 2009 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Uh, and also 10 goals would really help with those point totals.

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by bkblades on Mar 5, 2009 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

gals

Ha! Just saw that. Best typo of the day!

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by 1967ers on Mar 5, 2009 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Its like penicillin

Best accident evar

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by Winkle on Mar 5, 2009 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Heh, I’m sure Antro can do it. Though he has nothing on Wilt “20,000” Chamberlain.

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by bkblades on Mar 5, 2009 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s the beauty of the D-pool.

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by 1967ers on Mar 5, 2009 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

What about the epic 2001 trade deadline

When Quinn refused to include antropov in a package for lindros.
he had so much ‘potential’

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by torontocoltsfan on Mar 5, 2009 2:03 PM EST reply actions  

I'm glad

he never did that deal. Lindros wasn’t worth it.

by Karina on Mar 5, 2009 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Plus Kaberle and a 1st rounder. Not the best trade the Leafs would have made.

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by PPP on Mar 5, 2009 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

A toast

to Antro.

Farewell, mate.

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by eyebleaf on Mar 5, 2009 2:05 PM EST reply actions  

/drinks in hounour

Making stuff up since real Leafs news is far too depressing

by loser domi on Mar 5, 2009 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Cheers to the Lanky Kazakh!

THEY SAY THAT I WON’T LAST TOO LONG….. ON BROADWAY
I’LL CATCH A GREY HOUND BUS FOR HOME, THEY ALL SAY

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ON BROADWAAAAAAAYYY!

by general borschevsky on Mar 5, 2009 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh my word, what fresh hell is this?

Dum spiro spero.

by Mattblack on Mar 5, 2009 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Shoulda taken

Pavel Datsyuk.
Haha, just kidding. Seriously, it was a weak draft, the Leafs did really well.

by Karina on Mar 5, 2009 2:08 PM EST reply actions  

Rec'd and Buzz'd

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by PPP on Mar 5, 2009 2:13 PM EST reply actions  

great post

i’m gonna miss the big kazakh. i hope he comes home july 1st.

by daoust on Mar 5, 2009 2:28 PM EST reply actions  

From canada.com linked article:

“I love Toronto,” he said. "It is a great place and it is always going to be home. It doesn’t matter where I am playing. Toronto is where I will retire.

“Toronto is my home.”

http://vyous.com/sports/nhl/mapleleafs/2009/03/05/mixed-emotions-for-ny-bound-antropov—-canadacom

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by bkblades on Mar 5, 2009 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

wow. what a rudey.

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by eyebleaf on Mar 5, 2009 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

that article is great. really shows you how it is for the players. Antro’s got a wife and two young kids, and daddy’s going to be on the road for a while. and then there’s a huge question mark as to where he ends up in the summer.

he became a Cdn citizen here. and i fully well believe him that he’ll retire here.

who knows, maybe we can bring him back july 1st…

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by eyebleaf on Mar 5, 2009 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

anything's possible....

but Burke wants him to earn his contract here. Not saying he can’t, not saying he won’t, but I totally agree with the thought.

it’s all part of changing the attitude of this team. It’s no secret, the high regard Burke has for the Leafs as an institution, and I think he wants to see that reflected in his players as well. If Antro can show Burke he’s worth the money, then by all means, let’s sign him on the 1st of july.

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by blurr1974 on Mar 5, 2009 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

$14m/4 years NTC for the first two I’d bring him back.

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by Chemmy on Mar 5, 2009 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Rangers beat reporter says Antro will skate with Drury and Dubinsky.

by Karina on Mar 5, 2009 2:41 PM EST reply actions  

That fat, loud mouth GM

should have a battery thrown at him for ruining Antro’s trade value. No way in hell he shouldn’t have brought back a first rounder. But no, our GM wants to see his name in the paper. Paris Hilton of GMs.

While he was getting bags of pucks for our two leading scorers, why didn’t he at least get a couple for Stempnisuck?

by penaltyshots on Mar 5, 2009 2:53 PM EST reply actions  

What comparable trades showed that a first rounder was possible?

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by PPP on Mar 5, 2009 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think his comments did anything. The other teams all have professional scouts. They’ve watched Antropov all season long. If Burke’s comments could sway things that much, then none of the rest of them deserve to be in the league.

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by 1967ers on Mar 5, 2009 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, Burke called GMs dumb dumbs on deadline day. Not that it isn’t true…

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by bkblades on Mar 5, 2009 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, they might overpay, but

they should have a good idea of how a player is performing.

For example, a guy putting up a point per game playing with Paul Kariya and seeing good PP minutes will obviously play well on the third line on the Leafs and is thus worth a pair of young players who were stumbling around a bit….

OK, bad example.

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by 1967ers on Mar 5, 2009 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

wrong GM...

that was Fletch’s goof.

given his grandpa status with the club though, I’m willing to give him a mulligan there.

I think this is more a classic case of the home media and/or fans building up a player to be more than he’s worth.

I lied Antro these past two seasons, but I knew there was no way he was worth a 1st rounder.

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by blurr1974 on Mar 5, 2009 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I think this is more a classic case of the home media and/or fans building up a player to be more than he’s worth.

You keep saying this, blurr. To be honest, I haven’t met this many Antropov fans, myself included, as I have here. The “home” media blasted the Leafs constantly over Antropov being the epitome of poor Leafs drafting and fans alike have seen Antropov as the bad apple. How can you build up a player that is so universally disliked?

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by bkblades on Mar 5, 2009 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m not saying he was built up by anyone, I’m saying you’re building him up.

nothing wrong with that. i was delusional over Tucker for years…

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by blurr1974 on Mar 5, 2009 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m not saying he was built up by anyone, I’m saying you’re building him up.

Well, considering I never advocated him being a first rounder, I’m not sure I really built him up to something he’s not. Antropov’s a plus player throughout his career, great in front of the net, good hands, and can score 20-25 goals. Not much to complain about or boost him beyond what he’s really worth.

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by bkblades on Mar 5, 2009 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

so...

what’s your complaint?

I was under the assumption you didn’t like the return. Was it that he’s no longer handled with kid’s gloves behind closed doors?

to that, and to Antro, I say man up Moose

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by blurr1974 on Mar 5, 2009 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

No I was only upset with the way Burke handled the situation. As Jr pointed out later in this thread, it was unnecessary to publicly dress him down when he has stayed with this team for close to a decade. It’s a semblance of basic human relations.

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by bkblades on Mar 5, 2009 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

basic human relations can kiss Brian Burke’s ass

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by eyebleaf on Mar 5, 2009 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Um, since when have human relations had a role in how coaches and execs handle atheletes?

Notice too that Nik’s production came back on stream when he was publicly questioned.

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by mf37 on Mar 5, 2009 4:40 PM EST up reply actions  

bingo

cookies for mf37 and eyebleaf.

I don’t care if tomorrow Wilson and Burke called Hagman out. If he’s not playing up to what should be VERY high standards, considering the jersey being worn is one of the most elite sporting clubs in North America (ya ya ya, hyperbole a bit…just a bit.) then it;s entirely warranted.

Nik was in a slump when he was called out. Chances are, contract discussions were happening. Nik wanted to be paid as a top 3 forward, and he was playing like a bottom 6 at the time. If you want to play for the Leafs, you need to earn the right.

I say amen to that BB

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by blurr1974 on Mar 5, 2009 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Nik was in a slump when he was called out. Chances are, contract discussions were happening. Nik wanted to be paid as a top 3 forward, and he was playing like a bottom 6 at the time. If you want to play for the Leafs, you need to earn the right.

And where am I disputing this? All I said is that BB could have chosen to give Antropov some respect and blasted him privately. Instead, he chose the media to do it. I found it distasteful.

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by bkblades on Mar 5, 2009 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

well, we’re both playing what if at this point.

truth is we don’t know much except that Burke called out Antro, and for what it’s worth, it seems to have worked.

i understand the point about Antro earning some discretion, but I think Burke’s decided to make this team his, which means players better get used to hearing about the bad from their GM in a public setting.

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by blurr1974 on Mar 5, 2009 4:48 PM EST up reply actions  

i understand the point about Antro earning some discretion, but I think Burke’s decided to make this team his, which means players better get used to hearing about the bad from their GM in a public setting.

Yes, it seems like that will be the case. I somewhat do understand what Burke is trying to do, but I don’t like it or even think it’s even that effective (at least in the long term). Seriously, who thought an Antropov LotD would bring this much consternation from me and others? Goddamn, we need a better team.

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by bkblades on Mar 5, 2009 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Um, since when have human relations had a role in how coaches and execs handle atheletes?

Because it breeds out of tenure. I’m not saying it happens all the time or that it should exist, but having a human element helps outside perspective. Burke could have said all he could privately, behind closed doors. But he chose a public forum to blast Antropov, and that’s what I found distasteful. And it’s not just Burke, but in every sport I don’t find it very useful.

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by bkblades on Mar 5, 2009 4:44 PM EST up reply actions  

You may not find it useful, but it works.

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by mf37 on Mar 5, 2009 4:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Not all the time. And it’s just as often a player just resists that kind of condemnation in response. It’s why coaches like Keenan have a shelf life. It’s why players like Marleau have thrived under a different type of coaching system.

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by bkblades on Mar 5, 2009 4:48 PM EST up reply actions  

so...

you’re advocating the Ottawa Senators coaching method?

:P jk…

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by blurr1974 on Mar 5, 2009 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn’t know Ottawa even had coaching all these years.

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by bkblades on Mar 5, 2009 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Not all the time. And it’s just as often a player just resists that kind of condemnation in response

Name one.

It worked for Blake, Antro, Kaberle, Toskala…

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by mf37 on Mar 5, 2009 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

you forgot

the moustache

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by blurr1974 on Mar 5, 2009 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I got Patrick Marleau, most recently Hartsburg tried it and didn’t work, going back a fair bit, former Blackhawks coach Orval Tessier alienated an entire team by questioning their heart in the playoffs, Keenan has done it countless times with mixed results, Carbonneau seems to love calling out players and Carey Price ain’t doing that much better…

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by bkblades on Mar 5, 2009 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Ok, so it didn’t work for Patrick Marleau, but it did work for Blake, White, Toskala, Antropov, Kaberle. In Montreal, it worked on Kovalev and hasn’t worked on Price. Hitchcock called out Spezza at the Worlds, so maybe it’s not management in that case so much as it is the player.

Keenan was despised by the 1994 Rangers who hated him so much they went on to win the Cup. He also took the Flyers and Hawks to the SC Finals. I’ll take a bastard who can perform over a soft guy that can’t any day.

Who knows how many steps are taken behind the scenes to get these guys to perform. I’d be willing to wager publicly throwing players under the bus isn’t the first step any coach or exec takes to motivate a player.

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by mf37 on Mar 5, 2009 7:25 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s entirely possible it WAS said behind closed doors and didn’t work, hence the public comments. We don’t know.

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by 1967ers on Mar 6, 2009 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, I’m not blaming Burke for that, just a general comment about pro scouting.

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by 1967ers on Mar 5, 2009 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed.

The only criticism of Burke that has merit with regard to Antro is that Nik didn’t deserve the public dressing down after working hard for less for so many years. Burke says he did it to motivate Antropov and increase the potential return he could get for him, and suggests that it worked – Antro worked himself out of a 16 game goal-scoring drought afterwards. That doesn’t necessarily make it right, mind you….

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by jrwendelman on Mar 5, 2009 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I like Antropov, but for a tenth overall pick… yikes.

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by Chemmy on Mar 5, 2009 3:12 PM EST reply actions  

That draft was a mite thin….

Only about half a dozen players picked in the first round really look like first-rounders 10 years later.

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by 1967ers on Mar 5, 2009 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Holy beanbag that draft was awful.

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by Chemmy on Mar 5, 2009 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

so was the year after.
But yeah. In a draft where the best player is picked 171 (Dastyuk… well, you could argue Lecavalier, but they I wouldn’t have a point!) you know you have trouble.

by Karina on Mar 5, 2009 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

In the first round alone, I’d rather the Leafs had drafted Tanguay, Gagne or Gomez; or Richards, Cole, Gionta (yeah, I know – hindsight is 20/20).

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by mf37 on Mar 5, 2009 4:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Richards would have been great, but this was the Quinn days where it seemed like size was the biggest factor in picks.

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by blurr1974 on Mar 5, 2009 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m pretty sure Quinn didn’t draft Antropov. I could be wrong, but this was the year with Mike Murphy and he was just fired, but Quinn wasn’t hired yet.

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by bkblades on Mar 5, 2009 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

you are correct...

my bad.

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by blurr1974 on Mar 5, 2009 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

No worries. You wouldn’t be that far off, since Quinn did love big players as evidenced by his pick of John Doherty. I think he didn’t draft by himself again after that year.

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by bkblades on Mar 5, 2009 5:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Remember, too, that “first rounder” doesn’t necessarily mean “dominating star.” If you pick a guy in the middle of the first round and he turns out to be a player that contributes more than 1/2 a point a game over 8 or 9 seasons, count your blessings. There are a whole lot of other guys who don’t manage that.

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by jrwendelman on Mar 5, 2009 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Stop being so rational.

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by Chemmy on Mar 5, 2009 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

It bothers me

that Antro now has to be on the same team as Sean Avery.

by Karina on Mar 5, 2009 4:18 PM EST reply actions  

Maybe Antro will get hungry. he is a large boy after all

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by loser domi on Mar 5, 2009 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Poni’s will always have cheezburgers waiting for him

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by eyebleaf on Mar 5, 2009 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

He played for the Leafs? I only remember him with the Rangers.

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by Down Goes Brown on Mar 5, 2009 4:25 PM EST reply actions  

It’s amazing how the perspective on Antropov shifted. I don’t know of another Leaf who went from the outhouse to the penthouse like Nik. Had you told Leaf fans three years ago that they’d be mourning the loss of Antropov, most would have laughed.

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by mf37 on Mar 5, 2009 4:36 PM EST reply actions  

this is true.

just 3 years ago he was boo’d when he was in the lineup, and cheered when he wasn’t.

i guess his rise to the penthouse had everything to do with production.

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by eyebleaf on Mar 5, 2009 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn’t have laughed. But again, my fandom of Antropov is well-documented.

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by bkblades on Mar 5, 2009 4:40 PM EST up reply actions  

The unfortunate thing with Antropov is he is what he is. I don’t foresee any sudden increase in production or new elements coming into his game. If he’s healthy, he’ll notch 20 goals and put up fifty to sixty points.The problem is, he’s had a history of not staying healthy.

I also think one of the reasons Leaf fans took so long to warm up to him was his propensity to roll around on the ice like a soccer player every time he had open ice contact.

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by mf37 on Mar 5, 2009 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh he had clear flaws to be sure. Antro couldn’t skate very well, even without those re-constructive knee surgeries. He still plays too much on the periphery when there aren’t set plays for him to stand in front of the net, and we all know his propensity not to dominate his immense size on people. If Antropov was 5’6", I’ll be curious if he would be that hated. I say no, but Toronto has always had issue with big players throughout their history.

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by bkblades on Mar 5, 2009 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

it’s cuz he’s a visor wearing euro pansy

at least, that’s what Don Cherry tells me

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by blurr1974 on Mar 5, 2009 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

No doubt with a limp wrist and a high-pitched voice.

Supporter of the Sergei Berezin "Give and Go" - You give me puck, then you go to hell

by bkblades on Mar 5, 2009 4:56 PM EST up reply actions  

THREE YEARS AGO!

I was the lonely voice in the desert saying that you’d all miss Antropov when you didn’t have him to kick around anymore.

Wait…or was that Nixon?

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by PPP on Mar 5, 2009 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Nixon was a Leafs fan? You learn something new every day I guess

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by loser domi on Mar 5, 2009 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I never liked Otis Nixon…..

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by 1967ers on Mar 6, 2009 12:12 PM EST up reply actions  

“Nixon bunts…..”

by Ando Rich on Mar 6, 2009 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I did enjoy the fact that he got out on that play.

It was him who got to Henke the game before, I think. Or maybe even that game. Can’t recall.

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by 1967ers on Mar 6, 2009 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Otis Nixon was to baseball what Mark Ricchi was to hockey

damned ugly

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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 6, 2009 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

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