Today is NHL Draft Lottery Day!
by PPP on Apr 14, 2009 9:30 AM EDT
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PrintTonight could have been a much more dramatic night if the Leafs had lost to the senators but that ship has sailed. While we're focused on the chance of the Leafs moving up to the 3rd overall pick keep in mind that there is also a 9.5% chance of falling to 8th. The festivities start at 8pm on TSN and like any other game day we'll have an open thread here and hopefully we'll be celebrating a four-spot jump. Thanks to TSN for the following table:
| RANK | TEAM | PTS | % OF WINNING | % TO GET NO. 1 | TSN's PROSPECT |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | New York Islanders |
61 |
25.0 |
48.1 |
C John Tavares |
| 2 | Tampa Bay Lightning |
66 |
18.8 |
18.8 |
D Victor Hedman |
| 3 | Colorado Avalanche |
69 |
14.2 |
14.2 |
C Matt Duchene |
| 4 | Atlanta Thrashers |
76 |
10.7 |
10.7 |
C Evander Kane |
| 5 | Los Angeles Kings |
79 |
8.1 |
8.1 |
C Brayden Schenn |
| 6 | Phoenix Coyotes |
79 |
6.2 |
- |
D Jared Cowen |
| 7 | Toronto Maple Leafs |
81 |
4.7 |
- |
LW M. Svensson-Paajarvi |
Here are a few mock drafts as things stand right now:
| MyNHLDraft | Nazem Kadri |
| Total Pro Sports | Brayden Schenn |
| Chickenman92 | Jared Cowen |
| The Hockey Spy | Brayden Schenn |
So joins us at our regular meeting time 30 minutes before the action starts.
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first!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111
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And that will be the only time that gets posted on this site.
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i think its the second actually
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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 14, 2009 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
If the Leafs had lost one more game this season they’d be fifth, actually.
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If #5 wins the lottery I will start cutting myself.
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by Down Goes Brown on Apr 14, 2009 9:39 AM EDT reply actions
The only way the #5 spot wins the lottery is if the Leafs aren’t in it.
On the bright side, if the Kings win the lottery at least Cox and co. will have some fresh content to recycle for the next 10 to 12 years – the tale of how the Leafs couldn’t even lose right.
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…they’ll win the lottery and be fined their first round pick for hurting small market teams economic viability.
Also, I wonder now that Colorado fired their GM if Burke can institute a coup and have them trade us their pick. Nonis for puppethead GM!
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by blindfolded tank driver on Apr 14, 2009 9:41 AM EDT reply actions
I’ll have to make it a macro.
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Can we refer to him as Fred or something?
Making stuff up since real Leafs news is far too depressing
hahaha
Since I assume that Svensson – Pääjärvi are just the Swedish and Finnish equivalents for Smith we’ll just call him Fred Smiths.
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You’re all missing that his first name is MAGNUS
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Apr 14, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Can't
ever go wrong with the Leafs beating the Sens… losing on Saturday would’ve made minimal difference, I don’t think they would’ve really increased their odds of getting Tavares practically so as you said, that ship has sailed. They should’ve lost more back in November when it mattered.
I think Burke will be making more impact via free agency this year, what with the potentially shrinking cap space and economic down-turn most teams will be looking to trim salary while the Leafs with their cap-flexibility and deep pockets will be willing to sign more guys.
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We never stopped to wonder what would happen if two Wendel’s were on the ice at once, if we pick up B Schenn, it will be the closest thing. Kerry Fraser, and spineless linesmen, would have been too scared not to make that faithful call.
by Johnny Thunder on Apr 14, 2009 10:43 AM EDT reply actions
If we were to trade up to get him, would cox say:
a) great move trading up is, just like Burke drafting the sedins or Pronger
b) stupid move trading up is, just like Fletcher trading up for Mount Olympus’ own Luke Schenn
c) Wild card: both in the same paragraph
by Johnny Thunder on Apr 14, 2009 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
That was his most pointless argument of the year and the most entertained I was reading his blog was how angry he got that other people didn’t see it his way.
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by Carcel Mousineau (Nathan) on Apr 14, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
It looked like it was going to veer towards a Network-style breakdown and then I think he instructed the moderators to never approve another comment related to that trade.
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If the Kings win the lottery
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by Carcel Mousineau (Nathan) on Apr 14, 2009 10:48 AM EDT reply actions
Funny thing about those projections...
I don’t believe Tampa’s or Atlanta’s GMs are smart enough to make the consensus picks at their spot. In addition, Lombardi likes to go off the board sometimes in drafts, as he targets what the team needs and not the best player available.
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by blurr1974 on Apr 14, 2009 10:56 AM EDT reply actions
Of the rumours (e5) of Tampa Bay trading down to dump salary we’re the best partner.
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by Carcel Mousineau (Nathan) on Apr 14, 2009 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Malone….do not want
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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 14, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
I couldn’t care less if Malone ever played a game for the Leafs. I’d take his salary and sit him in the press box if I had to.
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by Carcel Mousineau (Nathan) on Apr 14, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
that’s what the Marlies are for.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Apr 14, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
thats a damned big cap hit to have sitting in the AHL
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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 14, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
AHL=no cap hit.
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by Carcel Mousineau (Nathan) on Apr 14, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
then carry on.
but if we got injuries, he’d probably be called up and claimbed off waivers and we’d be on the hook for half…
wait, yes carry on
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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 14, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m happy with any of the top 7 picks (and even Kadri as well), though Cowan’s knee worries me a bit.
Can’t quite put my finger on it, but my Spider-sense thinks we’re drafting him. Cowen, that is.
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Cowen is what this team needs most, but I cant decide if I want him or Mini Schenn more
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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 14, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
If Cowen drops down to 7 that would be incredible considering he was 3rd at one point
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by Carcel Mousineau (Nathan) on Apr 14, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
he is a beast, and his knee will not be an issue
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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 14, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
If he gets back on track, definitely. If missing a half year hinders his development, or more worrisome if his knee problem becomes chronic (and I speak from experience that happens), then he could become a bust. If he’s healthy, great, sign me up. If not, ugh.
I don’t know that the Leafs have enough depth to take any chances with this draft. If Cowen’s a bust, the Leafs don’t have multiple blue chip prospects waiting to take his spot.
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thing is, shy of Tavares or Hedman, anyone here could very well be a bust
If Cowen is the best player left , you take him, its that simple
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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 14, 2009 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
If he’s the best player left, then sure, but would you hypothetically take him higher than 7th? Or ahead of Kadri, or Kulikov, etc?
I guess the discussion is, where exactly does he fit?
since I know very little about Kulikov, yes. Kadri though, I really like that kid but think Cowens skill set would better suit the Leafs. I have no doubt this kid will be a defensive monster.
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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 14, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, every player in the draft could be a bust in terms of character and/or talent but those risks are inheirint in drafting 18 year old kids. It’s the external risks, like a great big surgically repaired question mark on a knee, that need to be minimized.
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it also comes down to how bad his knee was injured, now its not like it was just a sprain or something, but there is a pretty good chance that he was shut down specifically to make sure he was able to be an impact player in the NHL.
If he had come back early to play (as bad as he wanted to and I have no doubt he was clawing the ceilings trying to get back and play for the Chiefs a la Wraps word) he may have hurt himself more and killed any career chances..
but then it could have just been a season ender. I dont know inside details
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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 14, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Must you spoil everthing with your relentless logic!?!
You've had all your word nourishment for one day.
Maybe?
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If the Leafs were in the position to win the Draft Lottery, they would have lost and got bumped back
If the Leafs had finished anywhere in the top 5, the would have been bumped back
I’m not too worried about what could have happened
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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 14, 2009 11:00 AM EDT reply actions
Knowing Our Luck
You’re probably right
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by Carcel Mousineau (Nathan) on Apr 14, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I want Kadri
I saw him play. The kid has crazy speed.
Would you guys agree that we need a top-flight forward prospect, and not another defenseman? I know we’re shit in our own end…but I blame ToskaLOL.
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the Leafs have no trouble putting the puck in the net though.
But Kadri would be sweet
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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 14, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m thinking we need a top flight centre…to play with Cammalleri when we sign him…
Unless we get the Sedins. Then draft a d-man, by all means.
But the draft is first, before free agency, so it’s all very confusing.
I guess it’s the old adage: take the best player available. Period.
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yup, unless your Tampa, then take Hedman if you can, JT may be all awesome, but dayum do you need Hedman
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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 14, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
agreed.
I think the whole “weak D” argument is more a product of crappy goaltending. When a save was needed, it was not made. Every team has to have a goalie who can bail them out at times. Toskala could not do that this year…
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by blurr1974 on Apr 14, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
We of course take the best player available (such a cop-out answer), and if we can sign Gilroy (please please please) he’ll hopefully help the D (and make trading Kabs and/or Kubs easier), but really, we need anything and everything, so positionally it doesn’t matter.
My bro lives in Van and he’s a big fan of Kane. Like I said earlier, any of the top 8 would make me happy.
Kane is a slick play maker, a line of him Kulemin and Grabbo would be insane fast and crazy dangerous.
I have a feeling that either Gilroy or Gustavsson is gonna be wearing a Maple leaf next year
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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 14, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
or both
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by Carcel Mousineau (Nathan) on Apr 14, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
that would make me ever so happy
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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 14, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
If that happens, burkes legacy will already be set
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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 14, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Burke hates failure…he will make it hard on whomever fails him in getting both.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Apr 14, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
thats why he went and visited Gustavsson himself
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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 14, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
I think it who the Leafs take depends on way too many variables: who goes from the current club? Do the Leafs move up? Do any of the clubs ahead of the Leafs go off the board? Any top rated guys slide down or slip throught?
In terms of F v. D or G, that depends on how Burke projects out what’s already in the cupboard. When you look at the Leafs “prospects” they seem to be almost entirely forwards:
F
Slaney
Hanson
Bozak
Didomenico
Stefanovich
Stalberg
Champagne
Mitchell
Flakke
Ruegsegger
Hayes
D
Stalman
Oreskovic
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well there is seifers too…..
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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 14, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
hopefully
we’ll add Gilroy to that list.
But yes, a D with the projected top end that Cowen has would be wonderful…
by Karina on Apr 14, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
good point, MF…perhaps we do need the defense.
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I dont think Cowen will last that long anyway, Colorado, LA or Phoenix are also potential suiters for him, or Tampa if they get bumped
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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 14, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Colorado actually is a likely interested party in Cowan. They have good young forwards, some anyway, but lack a shutdown d-men…possibly we could swap with them.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Apr 14, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
of the three...
COL needs him most. Hannan, although not a bust, isn’t top 2 material, and Foote is getting older every year…
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by blurr1974 on Apr 14, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Colorado has Shattenkirk.
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that is an awesome name
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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 14, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
he's not a stay at home type?
is he?
I thought he was more of an o-minded guy.
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by blurr1974 on Apr 14, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I also think Burke will be going for D-men.
In the off-season it’s likely that either Kubina or Kaberle (if not both) will be traded. I think Burke will want to pick up a good defensemen in the draft to ease his mind about shipping one of the previously mentioned two come summertime.
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I don’t think Kubina is going anywhere.
If anyone goes, it’ll be Tommy.
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Agreed although we need to keep in mind that Kabby’s tradeability is rather overrated still
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I think he is worth a mid first rounder to a lot of teams, and maybe an early one to some others
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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 14, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
True
But I don’t think too many teams are going to go into a bidding war for him though
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lots of teams want his specific skill set and every team in the bottom half of the NHL could use him (except LA with Doughty)
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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 14, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Main
thing though, which is the same factors working against Kabby being traded in the deadlines was his contract, which while isn’t huge, still has 2 years left on it and a lot of teams aren’t willing to give up draft picks for any contracts that would extend into the 10/11 season where the cap is expected to shrink
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Sure...
For bad contracts but Kaberle’s isn’t a bad contract. They still have to fill their roster even if the cap falls and having a slick puck moving powerplay quarterback at $4.25M is pretty damn good.
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I agree
But not necessarily a lot of teams do as we witnessed on trade deadline
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true, but a lot of things were still not settled at the deadline, some teams were still in the hunt, some teams were locks for the finals, and the draft is crazy deep, so with things more cemented around draft time, teams will be more willing to deal
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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 14, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
I know
I just won’t allow my hopes to be brought up only to have it be disappointed like trade deadline
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I still have an un realistic hope that Burke will land us 2 top 10ers, and nothing will convince me otherwise
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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 14, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
I applaud you and your stubbornness good sir
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it is one of my most irritating traits
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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 14, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah, so teams like Buffalo or (vomit) Ottawa who were supposed to be post season locks are probably the best suitors since they will have the biggest pressure to make the playoffs again like now
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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 14, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Can you
imagine Kabby playing for Ottawa?
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god no, but they are in desperate need of a player like him
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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 14, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Heatley...
is about the only player I could think would be worth swapping…
and I just threw up a little bit in my mouth.
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by blurr1974 on Apr 14, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
all this talk about the Leafs possibly signing Neil makes me ache
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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 14, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
If Neil played for the Leafs, it would be the first time I’m willing to fork $$ over for platinum ticks just so I can get close enough to hurl shit at him
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by Winkle on Apr 14, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
thing is, most of what I’ve read has come from Garrioch out of Ottawa, so I don’t think much of it…
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by blurr1974 on Apr 14, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
I know, but damn does that thought sting
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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 14, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
I wonder
if Wilson really loves Kubina as much as he used to. I think he may have soured on him this year and we could see him gone.
by Karina on Apr 14, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
it is gonna be a combination of a lot of things, who does he trade ? does Gilroy sign? what other gems does he uncover? and of course, where do we ultimately draft.
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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 14, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Good point. If Burke signs Gilroy, in his mind he might be set for defensemen.
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yup, I’m not Burke, but I’m pretty sure he knows that putting the puck in the other teams net never hurts your chances
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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 14, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
if Gilroy signs...
that makes Stralman, Kabby and White redundant as they are all of similar playing styles, but Gilroy has the most upside currently.
Still, I don’t see him putting all his eggs in one basket. If they sign Gilroy, Burke may sit on Kabby for another year to see what he’s got in Gilroy, and if he can replace #15 (on the ice, not in our hearts…) then come deadline next year, he’s gone.
Burke isn’t much of a “say one thing, do another” type of GM. He’s on record as saying he likes what Kaberle brings to the table, and sees no reason to trade him. He still has no reason to trade him, as we don’t have another guy in our system capable of generating a rush like Kabby can. However, next year, as the team will look much differently, if there is a guy on the team who can do what Kabby does…
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by blurr1974 on Apr 14, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
thats the thing, the leafs have (currently) three puck moving defensemen in the system and while the other two arn’t in Kabbys league, the Leafs offense wasnt crippled by his absence this year
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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 14, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s too bad we didn’t get anything resembling good goaltending so that we could judge.
Also, it’s too bad Van Ryn and Kaberle were injured so much so we don’t even know how good the defence is.
Still…Defence wins championships.
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Agreed.
The best way to win a game is by not losing it.
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but
the only way to lose a game is by not winning it.
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by blurr1974 on Apr 14, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
I think that the Leafs have shown that there are many ways to lose a game.
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like...
not winning it.
and getting eff’d in the ‘a’ by refs.
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by blurr1974 on Apr 14, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
truth is, ANY player in the top 10 will make the Leafs better down the road, and any of those players have game breaker, difference maker potential.
I’ll be happy with who ever
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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 14, 2009 11:20 AM EDT reply actions
yes
let’s drink to that brother.
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if
Evander Kane goes to Atlanta, I will cry.
I hope Murray goes off the board and takes a failure.
by Karina on Apr 14, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah outside Tavares and Hedman any of the top 10 will be fine with me.
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by Carcel Mousineau (Nathan) on Apr 14, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
So how long until Tavares is a UFA?
He eventually wants to play in Toronto. Hopefully the Pension Fund doesn’t make the same mistake they made with Gretzky when the time comes.
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by Carcel Mousineau (Nathan) on Apr 14, 2009 11:27 AM EDT reply actions
He eventually wants to play in Toronto. Hopefully the Pension Fund doesn’t make the same mistake theyStavro made with Gretzky when the time comes.
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by Carcel Mousineau (Nathan) on Apr 14, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
OOps bad strike….I meant the mistake Stavro made with Gretzky.
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by Carcel Mousineau (Nathan) on Apr 14, 2009 11:28 AM EDT reply actions
Yeah
I was going to point out that it was the late Steve Stavro that nixed the deal for the Great One.
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Yeah. I seem to remember him doing it twice. 1993 Trade deadline and then Gretzky’s free agency.
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by Carcel Mousineau (Nathan) on Apr 14, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Hmmm
I only remember the story about during his free agency.
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Just found it.
There was a rumoured trade to the Leafs at the 1993 All-Star Game.
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-4154246.html
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by Carcel Mousineau (Nathan) on Apr 14, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm too lazy to fanshot this
But Puck Daddy, in comparing Carolina to NJ in their postseason preview, just gave the coaching edge to Carolina.
Coaches (Advantage: Carolina)
Both coaches made an undeniable difference behind the bench in the regular season. Sutter kept the Devils together emotionally and rededicated the team to its core system of play once Brodeur went down with the injury. Maurice rejoined the Hurricanes franchise after Peter Laviolette was fired, and promptly transformed the team on offense, defense and special teams.
Maurice gets the nod here because Sutter was a surly failure in his playoff debut last season, while the Carolina coach has a conference title to his credit.
But Sutter does earn extra credit for being of the least photogenic coaches in the NHL, in that snarly Gollum-ish way:
I gagged a little reading that. Fucking Maurice.
Maurice is going to suck the teat dry of that Confrence final…if it’s not dry already.
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by Carcel Mousineau (Nathan) on Apr 14, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I
actually agree on this one… Maurice can’t be that bad of a coach if he led a team to the Cup Finals. I think he got partially-shafted in T.O. and never got a fair shake here
I would say its a closer race then they’re letting on but I would give the edge to Maurice but not by much
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his failing as a coach was being unable to change the atmosphere in the dressing room.
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by blurr1974 on Apr 14, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
If anything
I thought Maurice was fairly handcuffed by JFJ and he was too much of a wimp to do anything about that, as his main failing in T.O
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Burke / Wilson is like the total opposite of Maurice / JFJ
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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 14, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Bizarro JFJ and Mo!
"Ninety percent of the game is half mental."
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by blurr1974 on Apr 14, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
his failing as a coach wasbeing unablemaking no attempt to change the atmosphere in the dressing room.
by general borschevsky on Apr 14, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Barry Melrose also led his team to the Cup Final. He was a bad coach.
A Nation of Masochists
by Carcel Mousineau (Nathan) on Apr 14, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
he also had Gretzky….
Because Taking The Leafs Seriously Is Not An Option
by JaredFromLondon on Apr 14, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
and..
Kelley Hrudey in net…
"Ninety percent of the game is half mental."
The Left Coast Lock
by blurr1974 on Apr 14, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
that bandana had magic powers
Because Taking The Leafs Seriously Is Not An Option
by JaredFromLondon on Apr 14, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Maurice got shafted by his crappiness.
Pension Plan Puppets: A Toronto Maple Leafs blog and a group therapy session.
I don’t know that Maurice ‘transformed’ the Hurricanes so much as Cam Ward becoming amazing and Erik Cole reviving Eric Staal helped.
Pension Plan Puppets: A Toronto Maple Leafs blog and a group therapy session.
yeah, had the Leafs a goalie like Ward, they would have made the playoffs last year….and this one…
Because Taking The Leafs Seriously Is Not An Option
by JaredFromLondon on Apr 14, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Fanshotted...
"Ninety percent of the game is half mental."
The Left Coast Lock
by blurr1974 on Apr 14, 2009 11:44 AM EDT reply actions
Burke continues to be awesome
Because Taking The Leafs Seriously Is Not An Option
by JaredFromLondon on Apr 14, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
ohmygod
I’d better start collecting items for my shrine…
by Karina on Apr 14, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Burke is awesomeness personified.
Running over terribleness in search for something positive about the Leafs. Anything? Anyone?!
by blindfolded tank driver on Apr 14, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
NOT GETTING
MY HOPES UP
"God's in His heaven. All's right with the world." - Robert Browning (1812-1889)
PANDAS!
Because Taking The Leafs Seriously Is Not An Option
by JaredFromLondon on Apr 14, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Question
The draft rankings all state that Kane is a C, but he plays on the wing for the Giants…… is this common?
by Karina on Apr 14, 2009 1:19 PM EDT reply actions
It’s pretty common on the player pages on team sites and the NHL site as well. Antropov barely played centre but he’s still listed as a centre.
Somewhere along the line they get labelled and it never changes.
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