Unasked Questions About Frogren
I am not one to let things go lightly. Despite the presence of three former first round drafts picks I can't cheer for the St. Louis Blues because of Sergio Momesso and Allan Bester's five-hole. I'll never cheer for another Canadian team in the playoffs because at some point in time their team has broken the Leafs' hearts or their fans have been jerks. So you can see why I am still writing about this Frogren/draft pick screw-job. And I am not the only one.
MF37 reads my mind and posts a timeline on the events surrounding the Frogren signing along with the salient question:
I understand how both sides interpreted the CBA and their relative positions, but what I don't understand, and what I'd love to know, is what agreements were reached at the mid-November settlement? I'd also love to know how, five months after reaching an agreement, the NHL can apply sanctions against the Leafs...30+ journalists following this team and all we have are more questions.
The silence on this issue is deafening. Whether it's because the reporters do not understand the CBA and do not want to expose their ignorance (not exactly a long-shot considering how complicated it is) or whether everyone has clammed up (but why not report that?) or if they don't think that they're readers can handle it (not exactly news that most people are dumb) I can't tell you. However, there is no better way to describe the entire situation than puzzling.
The most curious part is that even Tim Wharnsby, who wrote about the settlement reached prior to arbitration, is keeping quiet:
Prior to a hearing on Thursday the two sides settled and agreed that Frogren would continue playing under the two-year, $2.13-million (all currency U.S.) deal he signed in the summer. The Swede's contract includes a $755,000 signing bonus and salaries of $475,000 this season and $900,000 in 2009-10.
Yesterday you would have thought that this was some trivial decision going against the Leafs. The media that worked itself into a frenzy over the barest hint of imagined impropriety before Burke became GM were barely able to pen two pieces. The Globe went with the Canadian Press wire story while the Sun and the National Post had nothing (at least online because I won't touch those dirty rags in print). The people that actually bothered to look at the story went the predictable route and blamed it all on Cliff Fletcher. Of course, they did so without conducting any investigative work.
Here's Kevin McGran's "contribution":
Frogren's contract stays as written. Only the Leafs are being punished for the mistake.
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Further compounding the embarrassment to the Leafs – a team hoping to compile draft picks as it rebuilds – is having to forfeit the fourth-round pick they got from Tampa in a complicated and controversial trade-deadline deal.
Doesn't that line about the contract staying as written ring any alarm bells in his head? What about the fact that the pick that gets taken is the one from that trade that he labels as "complicated and controversial"? Instead we are handed what appears to be the company line: Fletcher screwed up.
Darren Dreger, the lesser of the Insiders, acts as a stenographer for the NHL and also leaves some huge questions hanging in the balance:
The Jonas Frogren debacle isn't as complicated as some are making it out to be.
Well, that's just condescending. It is much more complicated that he'll try to make it.
For starters, according to the National Hockey League, there was no arbitration in this case. The $500,000 fine and forfeiture of a fourth round draft pick was determined by the league based on the Leafs attempt to circumvent the Collective Bargaining Agreement.
While it's true that there was no arbitration there is no mention that the two sides did come to an agreement in November. How about asking what that agreement was? Was the punishment levied then? How did the Leafs' circumvent the CBA. By reading MF37's post yesterday with the relevant sections of the CBA highlighted and explained it is certainly not clear what the Leafs did wrong.
Frogren's contract permitted payment once the contract was registered, however the contract was never registered, it was rejected because of his entry status at the time, but Toronto paid the signing bonus anyway, violating the rules of the collective bargaining agreement.
Ok, a couple of questions here: If the contract was not registered then how was Frogren allowed to play while the Leafs and the NHLPA and Don Meehan (one of the most powerful, knowledgeable, and evil agents in hockey) appealed the NHL's initial attempt to prevent the contract from being signed? When suspensions in sports are appealed generally the player is allowed to continue playing so that if they win their appeal they are not punished. It does not make sense that Frogren would have been allowed to play without his contract being registered. Plus, if the settlement eventually found that his contract was acceptable then how was the bonus payment against the rules? Not to mention that Dreger cannot even be bothered to explain what rule in the CBA this apparently violated.
All in all it's a very weak piece and sheds no light on the situation. Well, at least not to me. TSM finds the explanation to be plenty good enough:
What likely happened is that Cliff knew what he was doing, wanted the player and figured to hell with the consequences. Ooops.
How is that a valid conclusion? The Leafs bent over backwards to prevent even the smallest hint of tampering with regards to Burke but then they decide they don't give a shit in this case? Over Jonas Frogren? Not likely. As MF37 put it:
I think it's grossly unfair and incredibly simple to paint this situation as any type of incompetence on the part of the Leafs or Cliff Fletcher.
The Leafs, their lawyers, the NHLPA and Don Meehan all agreed and argued that given his age, draft status, and heritage Frogren was an unrestricted free agent who was not limited to an entry level deal.
THis was hardly a case of a doddering old man insisting that he was right. Not to mention that there was apparently an agreement reached in November proving Fletcher right!
But hey, if something is going to be grossly unfair and incredibly simple then Damien Cox wants in! In a piece that is nothing more than a hatchet job on one of the targets of The Omen's vendettas Cox jumps at the chance to get in another shot:
Yesterday, meanwhile, the league fined the Leafs $500,000 and stripped them of a fourth round pick for the Jonas Frogren signing last summer. The contract was illegal, but rather than running it past the NHL first, Fletcher just did it and now the Burke administration is paying the price.
Let's forget that that Leafs, the NHLPA, and Don Meehan all ran the contract by the NHL, filed a grievance about it, and came to a settlement before arbitration. It must just be that Fletcher was hopped up on Mountain Dew and felt like thumbing his nose at the NHL consequences be damned!
That's just ridiculous. Almost as ridiculous as Cox (or anyone for that matter!) not looking into why Fletcher thought he was justified in pursuing the contract or what rule the Leafs' broke or why the punishment is so harsh. They might also want to ask why the punishment was chosen as I did Wednesday night. Well, going back to Dreger, I guess he did. But if you believe his explanation then I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.
Having to forfeit a fourth round pick is also considered by the Maple Leafs to be stiff punishment, although the NHL says the fact this pick was acquired through a trade with the Tampa Bay Lightning many have viewed as salary dump is purely coincidental.
It's so coincidental that opposition bloggers say that at the very best the move has terrible optics:
The mixing of two controversies is a poor decision. It appears that the punishment for Frogren is a reaction to the Tampa trade. It appears that in a desire to make the Tampa trade go away, the NHL used the Frogren issue as a convenient excuse. Is it less of a problem to sign players who pay their own transfer if you do not attempt to buy draft picks? Mixing two unrelated issues like this is a bad NHL move.
So why did the league choose the Lightning's 4th rounder? Why not just veto the deal if they had an issue with it? Was the fact that the Lightning qualified to receive revenue sharing because of the deal a factor? Why was Frogren allowed to play if his contract wasn't registered with the league? And what was in this mysterious "settlement" in November? Was the punishment levied then? Did the Leafs get that 4th rounder from Tampa in order to comply with the punishment since they didn't have their own (Thanks JFJ!)?
These are all questions that hang in the air and, at the very least, give the impression of impropriety. Unfortunately for the fans that would like an explanation the reporters covering the team are either parroting the league's statement, taking a chance to get in some ad hominem attacks, or are ignoring the issue. Thank God for the wonderful Toronto media.
Update From The Comments:
MF37 is playing the part of roving reporter excellently:
Both Wharnsby and McGran emailed me back within about 10 minutes and were very helpful.
McGran said he’s still pursuing this story, has a whole bunch of questions himself and hopes to write more on this.
Wharnsby said the settlement reached in November was simply that Frogren would be allowed to play, the terms of his contract wouldn’t change and if the League took any punitiive measures they would go against the Leafs, not Frogren.
Also, check out the McGran article from this summer. Maybe there is some hope after all.
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Triple P
Is a great nickname for the Godfather of the Barilkosphere and I can’t believe I never thought of it. I would also accept Trips, The Game, and Terra Ryzing as alternatives.
by Kim Jorn on Apr 3, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re making me blush.
Also, Terra Ryzing is awesome.
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by PPP on Apr 3, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We need to get you a press pass
Seriously, Why are you and Bitter the only ones asking these questions? Great piece PPP. Best analysis I’ve seen on this topic.
Maybe Feschuk can hook you up with a press pass?
by Kim Jorn on Apr 3, 2009 11:39 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Feschuk can just give Triple P his press pass.
And, yes, great analysis, by both Triple P and MF37.
This is one weird ass situation. All I know is that Frogger ended up costing us WAY too much.
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by eyebleaf on Apr 3, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did he?
A fourth rounder and some cash that does not affect the cap? Seems reasonable for the Viking.
by Polecon on Apr 3, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes but when you factor in how that 4th rounder was picked up, taking on a boatload of salary… It gets a bit more expensive.
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by JohnnyG on Apr 3, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
It turns into $500K for the fine, $450K for the contracts in the deal, $2.1M for the contract and a 4th rounder.
Yikes!
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by PPP on Apr 3, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Weak.
Damn Viking.
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by eyebleaf on Apr 3, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A cap it of $1.05 million, plus another half million, and a 4th round pick, for 41 games?
Yeah, that’s way too much in my books.
And I don’t see him being part of our plan on the blue line moving forward, unless there’s some serious trade-age, do you?
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by eyebleaf on Apr 3, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
seriously
its a cap hit of a million bucks, which is off the books at the end of 09/10. These are not Fingerian numbers after all
by Polecon on Apr 3, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too much. Frogren’s shit.
And I have no problem with Finger.
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by eyebleaf on Apr 3, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Neither do I, I just wanted to use his contract as a reasonable comparison to add some context.
by Polecon on Apr 3, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can’t compare the two. Finger’s an NHL defenseman. Frogren is borderline, and was sent to the minors this season. He’s our 6th man when our regular 6th and 7th guys are hurt.
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by eyebleaf on Apr 3, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn’t comparing the two either, although I agree with your point. Mind you, Finger only became a full-time NHL defenceman last year at the age of 27 after an unremarkable 22 game stint the year before as Colorado’s 7th D. We might look back the same way on Frogren.
by Polecon on Apr 3, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The keys here for me are:
- is that the “boatload of salary” picked up off of Tampa is pro-rated and off the books at the end of the season at the cost of a guy who had no future with the team (Petiot)
-the $500K is a fine and doesn’t come off the cap ( I think MLSE can afford $500K)
- Froggy’s signing bonus and salary are risks one takes with any signing- a guy may or may not work out. We are assessing his salary against one year cut short for a guy just out of a European league- adjustments are usual in these cases. At the end of the day, a fair number of y’all were happy with his promise throughout the season.
- a 4th rounder, eh… who is really worried about a 4th rounder when Burke plans to rebuild at the draft.
by Polecon on Apr 3, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
a 4th rounder, eh… who is really worried about a 4th rounder when Burke plans to rebuild at the draft.
should read
a 4th rounder, eh… who is really worried about a 4th rounder when Burke plans to rebuild at the draft with trades.
by Polecon on Apr 3, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Err sorry, Boatload is obviously excessive.
But regardless of whether or not MLSE can afford it does not make it ok.
As Eyebleaf put it:
“A cap it of $1.05 million, plus another half million, and a 4th round pick”
Plus the actual contract and signing bonus to Froggy
That is too much for him.
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by JohnnyG on Apr 3, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My point in MLSE was simply that it has little/no bearing on hockey operations and shouldn’t be included in the calculation of the net cost Froggy’s signing.
After that, its a matter of opinion as to whether he’s worth a million a year and a 4th round pick, I argue he is, Eyebeleaf et al. disagree.
by Polecon on Apr 3, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cheers
It’s really mind-boggling. These guys were falling all over themselves to insinuate that the Leafs’ were tampering with Burke and creating these insane connections but now that they have another situation that doesn’t look right they decide to take a nap?
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by PPP on Apr 3, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh and I’m pretty sure I came up with Triple P. It’s your wrestling name.
What’s your finishing move?
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by eyebleaf on Apr 3, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously
Triple P’s finishing move would be the Peddie-gree.
by Kim Jorn on Apr 3, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Brilliance. Sheer fucking BRILLIANCE.
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by eyebleaf on Apr 3, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rec’d that shit.
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by eyebleaf on Apr 3, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If He's Triple P
Does that make Chemmy the Heartbreak Kid?
Does that make us the Mean Street Posse?
by Godd Till on Apr 3, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
Chemmy is Chyna.
We’re the Ultimate Warrior.
by Kim Jorn on Apr 3, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That squash
was punishment for the MSG incident. It will pale in comparison to Triple P and Chyna;s punishment for the Zimbabwe Incident.
by Godd Till on Apr 3, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There’s been punishment for the Zimbabwe Incident?
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by PPP on Apr 3, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m more of a Mick Foley myself
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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 3, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
or the Iron Sheik?
“Gene Mean, look at our body. Cameraman, zoom!”
by general borschevsky on Apr 3, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you following me camera guy?
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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 3, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s on now.
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by Chemmy on Apr 3, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, I’d prefer to be called something tough like Hacksaw Chemmy, or Stone Cold Chemmy, or Chemmy the Crushinator.
Additionally, with my recent string of posts, I should probably just be called Public Enemy #1.
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by Chemmy on Apr 3, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But that ruins everything...
…since Till figured that Mattblack could be X-Pac and Domi and Wrap could be the New Age Outlaws. We had a whole DX thing going…
by Kim Jorn on Apr 3, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too bad
You can suck it.
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by PPP on Apr 3, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I get the whole DX thing but I was always more of a fan of The Rock so I think I’ll use the Pupil’s Elbow.
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by PPP on Apr 3, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wanna Luthourplex someone now
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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 3, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would hope that they are fact checking for a grand expose in the Saturday Star, but I’m not holding my breath.
by Polecon on Apr 3, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would be amazing but I am going to agree that holding our breaths will likely only result in our demise.
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by PPP on Apr 3, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
have you
asked James to do any digging? He had a post up on his site, and given his employment at the Globe he may have access…
by Karina on Apr 3, 2009 1:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, like you said, he wrote a post on it and on the Lightning deal so he sees the connections. If he is allowed and able to I’d imagine that he would try to see if there is anything there but based on Burke’s terse comment I don’t think that there is anything there. I wish I had a mole at MLSE!
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by PPP on Apr 3, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
my mom
is a retired Ontario teacher….
but it just sucks how there is absolutely no information on this.
I wonder if Wilson knows. Then we could get Berger to ask stupid, annoying questions until Wilson blows a gasket and lets the truth out…
by Karina on Apr 3, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But where's is Tampa's punishment?
Great post as usual but IF the Leafs are in fact being punished, not so much for that theft of that 4th rounder but more so for allowing TB into getting some profit sharing – lets remember the league would make a bigger fuss at setting an example that affects $$$ of more than just 2-3 teams, where/when will the hammer drop on Tampa?
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by puckbuddy on Apr 3, 2009 1:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, I think that since the situation in Tampa seems to be getting worse (who knew that movie producers didn’t know a thing about hockey?) it behooves the league to give them as much help as possible. This way they focus their punishment towards dissuading the rich teams from taking advantage of the poor teams without piling onto one of the weak ones.
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by PPP on Apr 3, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you think this would have been seen as helping the poor little sun belt team, Bettman should have been drooling all over Burkes shoes for saving them cash
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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 3, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was torn because it involved a Canadian team and he had to be sure to punish them for being Canadian.
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by PPP on Apr 3, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Based on Dreger’s comments, perhaps this is a result of a distinct transgression: the timing of the payment of Frogren’s signing bonus. If they had to pay him the money before officially signing him to the contract, so that he could buy out his Swedish contract first, then I could see this as a violation of the CBA. The Leafs would be guilty of paying money to a player under the table.
Or perhaps (again based on Dreger) the signing bonus portion of the contract should have been withheld until the grievance was settled, even though Frogren was still allowed to play and be paid his regular salary (or perhaps just the entry level salary? Do we know what happened there? Maybe he received a retroactive top-up after winning the case).
If either is the case, then the details of Frogren’s contract, and whether it should have been restricted to “entry level” terms, becomes a separate issue, one that was successfully grieved by the union. It would also explain why there are no further actions taken against the player, and why the union hasn’t stepped up in the Leafs’ defense (which I’ve been surprised at).
The nature of the fourth round pick may be a red herring; perhaps the agreed upon punishment was simply the next fourth round pick and if it hadn’t been for the Kolzig trade it would have been the 2010 pick. Really bad optics there, though. Standard policy should really be that clubs are only penalized from their own “natural” draft picks.
If this is all true, then a fourth round pick sounds like a reasonable penalty; meaningful but not debilitating. I’m wildly speculating though, because as you point out, the media have done nothing to provide a coherent explanation for what just happened.
And the league is still the bad guy here, for raising a stink about the contract in the first place.
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by Back In Black on Apr 3, 2009 2:51 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Great Comment
Yeah, it’s all bad optics and faulty reporting. Things could be very cut and dry but so far the optics are nothing but bad.
Based on Dreger’s comments, perhaps this is a result of a distinct transgression: the timing of the payment of Frogren’s signing bonus. If they had to pay him the money before officially signing him to the contract, so that he could buy out his Swedish contract first, then I could see this as a violation of the CBA. The Leafs would be guilty of paying money to a player under the table.
I wish I could find the link but I had read that Frogren bought his own way out of the contract with the knowledge that the signing bonus would cover it. Once again, where is the question getting asked?
If this is all true, then a fourth round pick sounds like a reasonable penalty; meaningful but not debilitating. I’m wildly speculating though, because as you point out, the media have done nothing to provide a coherent explanation for what just happened.
A fourth is definitely fair. I saw that someone pointed out at Mirtle’s that the NFL’s policy is to take away a team’s own picks which was why the Patriots lost their high first rounder but not the prime pick they had acquired.
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by PPP on Apr 3, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont have a link but I think I remember that when the signing kerfuffle happened last summer it utwas mentioned Frogren would not be able to afford to buy out his contract in Sweden without the signing bonus. Putting the pieces together maybe Fletcher decided to pay up and damn the consequences, or maybe he had to step up and bail out Frogren, who had already made the buyout commitment.
by Aschendancy on Apr 3, 2009 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I find the lack of follow-up really curious.
The media were all over this in July and August, but not so much now.
Certainly no more information is forthcoming from the Leafs, but I would think one of Meehan, the NHLPA or even the NHL might answer a question or two.
I sent an email to Kevin McGran and Tim Wharnsby to ask them if they have any further info about the November settlement (McGran’s coverage of this last July was truly exemplary – he pretty much predicted how this whole event would play out). I doubt they’ll get back to me, but who knows?
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by mf37 on Apr 3, 2009 2:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow - I take it back (sort of)
Both Wharnsby and McGran emailed me back within about 10 minutes and were very helpful.
McGran said he’s still pursuing this story, has a whole bunch of questions himself and hopes to write more on this.
Wharnsby said the settlement reached in November was simply that Frogren would be allowed to play, the terms of his contract wouldn’t change and if the League took any punitiive measures they would go against the Leafs, not Frogren.
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by mf37 on Apr 3, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow
good job, mf. Who does McGran write for? The name doesn’t ring any bells in my head. I hope he gets those questions answered and writes an insightful article for us.
by Karina on Apr 3, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He writes for the Star and he often writes on the business of sport. Some of his stuff is top notch. You should read the piece he wrote about Frogren last July, which can be found here.
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by mf37 on Apr 3, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WOW!
Great work! I can’t believe that they replied to you. I guess you can’t get anything if you don’t ask ;)
Nice to know a bit more behind the ‘settlement’.
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by PPP on Apr 3, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Follow the money
(j/k, saying that always sounds so deep.)
I was wondering why Burke was fairly tranquilized quiet on the issue, and why the league was mum on the propriety of the Tampa trade, and I keep going back to the thought that the Tampa trade was made precisely because this “punishment” was coming. It requires a tin-foil hat to go that conspiratorial on it (“the Leafs could avoid further reparations if they helped the Tampa Ringling Bros., and the NHL could save face and claim it got its justice.”), but hey, the league has been that stupid before.
P.S. That Momesso goal was awesome. Sorry.
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by Dominik on Apr 3, 2009 6:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I figured the long-delay was due to the Leafs and the league working out the various permutations of the settlement, e.g. we’ll agree to issue a statement taking full blame and agree not to comment further if the league doesn’t stip us of one of our few remaining natural picks…
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