Is This an Elaborate Joke?
by Chemmy on May 11, 2009 2:02 PM EDT
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Remember kids, it's ok to be the third man in and sucker punch someone without their gloves off or their hands up as long as you play for a crybaby southern strategically located growth franchise.
I don't care if you're a Hurricanes fan, a Bruins fan, or even a fan of hockey in general. Scott Walker's third man in instigator sucker punch is a gutless despicable and completely indefensible act. Everyone I've talked to has said as much. Apparently the NHL doesn't agree. They lifted Walker's automatic suspension for getting an instigator penalty with under five minutes remaining.
So once again the NHL wheel of justice spins and this time Scott Walker receives "get out of jail free" narrowly avoiding "suspended for life". (He may have also acquired a Free Spin and a trip to Barbados). What happened to suspensions for players sending messages in games that were already decided? Does that only apply to teams where the fans show up to games the whole season?
The solitary good thing that will come out of this is watching Sean Thornton literally kill Scott Walker on the ice in game six. Tim Conboy is already relieved to know that he won't be the Bruins' number one punching bag again.
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BUT HE'S SQUARED UP!!!!!!!
Also, I live in a state that supported institutionalized racism as little as 45 years ago.
I seriously hope that this is just because the NHL doesn’t like the automatic instigator penalty in the playoffs and that Walker gets six games later this afternoon for that.
His punch is disgusting and has no place in hockey.
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I don’t get it, he’s got a history and has been suspended before…. he should have a suspension comparable to Brashear’s
by Karina on May 11, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
twolinepass said that to me on gchat, I think Walker deserves more than six games.
Brasher hit a vulnerable player but if Betts is facing a different direction and the hit is earlier it’s a clean hockey play. That’s not to blame the victim, just that what Brashear did is a lot different than sucker punching someone who’s tangled up with someone else. It’s impossible for what Walker did to be a clean play in any way.
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I need to see the video again, I wasn’t paying full attention when it happened. But repealing an automatic suspension seems like an absolute joke in this case…
by Karina on May 11, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
just rewatched it. Wow. Ward hadn’t even dropped his gloves, how did he get a fighting penalty?
by Karina on May 11, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
He didn’t. The Bruins had 7 minutes of powerplay.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on May 11, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought I saw it listed on the game sheet… if he didn’t, then good, but that makes it even stranger that there was no suspension.
by Karina on May 11, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Walker got 2 minutes for Roughing….on Walker!??!
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Ward, you mean. That’s what I was thinking – where did Ward pick up that penalty?
by Karina on May 11, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
When his face hit Walker’s hand I’m assuming. But seriously, he never even touched Walker.
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he did have a run in with a carolina player right before Walker sucker punched him. But it doesn’t look like roughing to me…
by Karina on May 11, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
He was involved in some scrumming first, I think.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on May 11, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Basically, it was the equivalent of Kiefer Sutherland walking up to a stranger and headbutting them in the nose with his fist.
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There should be unanimity on this vote.
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It’s a super dirty play. sucker-punching anyone at any time, is indefensible. The league should throw the book at him, but it appears rutherford has images of the campbell in a comprising situation
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by blindfolded tank driver on May 11, 2009 2:20 PM EDT reply actions
Seriously
I am all for overreacting and demanding an eye for an eye (it’s in the BIBLE!) punishment but I don’t think it’s crazy to say that this is among the dirtiest plays I have ever seen. Obviously, Mssrs. McSorley, Bertuzzi, Samuelsson, Simon, and Perezoghin have made it hard to add new plays to a top 5 list but Ward’s just standing there like a defenceless animal before Walker uses the equivalent of a freaking AK-47 to kill him.
As precedent, Tie Domi did the same thing to Ulf (thank God for that one) during a regular season game and got 8 games and that was before Colin Campbell gave the league a lecture on not ‘sending messages’ at the end of games.
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But Ulf doesnt qualify as a human
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by JaredFromLondon on May 11, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly
Domi got 8 games for punching one of the top 5 vilest players in the NHL. Comparing Ward to him the suspension should be about 400 games.
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that’s the problem. Walker wears the Leaf, he’d be banned!
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by blindfolded tank driver on May 11, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Right at 0:57 you see the play from a better angle:
As soon as Ward got tangled up with Cullen, Walker comes flying in with a punch with his left hand (glove on) that just glances Ward’s forehead. Then Ward is all, “Dude! WTF?!?” and, POW!!1 right in the kisser!! Walker definitely earned a suspension for that.
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0:57 of what video?
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It’s embedded in the article that Chemmy linked. Or here
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oh ok. I didn’t see the video in the article because youtube is blocked at work. I saw what you’re talking about though on the tsn video.
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After seeing the video, I think I’ve changed my vote. I originally voted for no suspension based on what I saw watching the game live – just appeared to be a big scuffle and Ward got caught with his pants down. However, after watching the replays I think Walker sucker punched him.
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by Kerry Fraser on May 11, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Meh….it’s no worse than the Cammalleri to Havlat move.
And it can’t be third-man in, if you know, there wasn’t a fight going on.
Ummmm
It’s about 12 times worse than the Cammy punch which was filthy on its own merits.
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3rd man
I’m assuming Ward and Cullen both got roughing minors at 17:13 for being the original combatants. Now if two players are involved in an altercation that’s going to result in roughing penalties for both teams, and a 3rd man comes in and delivers a bare-fisted knock-out punch to the face of one of the opponents while his attention is divided, I think that’s essentially the definition of 3rd man in.
Walker should be gone for the playoffs, plus a few regular season games as well.
by general borschevsky on May 11, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Cullen actually got his penalty for roughing on Steven Mantador during the scrum after Ward got dropped according to the boxscore on nhl.com
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Where does it say in the boxscore that the roughing penalty has anything to do with Montador? I couldn’t find that. I do see this, however, in the Game Recap:
Ward was tangled with Carolina’s Matt Cullen when Walker joined the fray and dropped Ward with one punch.
I think that’s where Cullen and Ward both got their roughing penalties. Not that it matters much.
by general borschevsky on May 11, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I assume...
That the people voting that Walker should play game six are either trolls, deluded Carolina fans, people that love messing up internet polls, or hope that we’ll get to see Zdeno Chara actually pull Walker’s head and spine from his body.
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I would have found it dirtier if Walker didn’t drop the gloves, grab onto Ward’s sweater then hit him.
The fact that Chara may hit his soul definitely does bring a bonus about the lack of suspension though.
So what makes it a cleaner play? That he grabbed Ward to line him up? Or that he dropped his glove to make sure that his punch caused the maximum damage? What would have made it a dirty play? If he pulled a shank out and shivved Ward in the eye?
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Folks on canes country would still call that clean and then claim the refs had a conspiracy for ward not getting a double-minor for interference.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on May 11, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Hysterical fanshots over there about the NHL rigging this series because Boston is a bigger market.
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THAT’S WHY THE LEAFS WIN THE CUP EVERY YEAR YOU KNOW
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Yeah
I look forward to the Leafs’ winning their 43rd straight Stanley Cup because they led the league in revenues generated.
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that parade route is paved in gold and bitter tears
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by blindfolded tank driver on May 11, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
then they also rigged it for Carolina to beat New Jersey to get the Pittsburgh-Washington/Crosby vs Ovechkin matchup.
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Would have been dirtier if he just dropped the one glove off the hand he was gonna use to wreck Ward’s life. But he dropped both so he was looking for a fight that Ward didn’t give him.
Just saying it could have been worse.
Sure
It would have been even dirtier if he had spit in his eye before throwing the punch but it was still fucking dirty.
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Yes, but let’s think about this for a second. Walker did this with Lucic, and I think Chara on the ice. That kind of bravery usually gives a man the Victoria Cross.
If he was really brave he would have throw it at either of those two. I assume Lucic will now check him through the glass before beating him to death at centre ice.
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I would like chara to put the puck in Walker’s mouth and then ram his head into the goal. Walker’s body can be anywhere in the arena for this.
Actually, best case scenario has Sturm and Hunwick double-teaming to smash him through the glass.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on May 11, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually the best scenario would be Boston winning the series.
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Yes, you are correct.
In fact, that’s probably the best revenge of them all.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on May 11, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually the best scenario would be Boston winning the series, and Maurice getting shitcanned for failing to use a timeout to cull a momentum change
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by blindfolded tank driver on May 11, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I have to believe that this is just one more example of the NHL’s inability to control the message and that a suspension for the punch is forthcoming right? It’s just bad timing on the press releases?
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actually Walker got fined for it…here’s the link
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by blindfolded tank driver on May 11, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
makes sense...
the league needs the dough to help pay for the Coyotes..
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by blurr1974 on May 11, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
$2500 isn’t gonna make any difference there.
Nor in Walker’s wallet, when he makes $2.5 mill a year.
by Karina on May 11, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
i know...
’twas a joke.
a really, really, really, bad joke…
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by blurr1974 on May 11, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I laughed
Soon we’ll see all suspensions go the way of the dodo in favour of fines.
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$2,500 for a sucker punch that breaks a guy’s face, thus forcing him to miss the rest of the playoffs?
That’s just pathetic on the league’s part.
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to be fair, they aren’t sure about that yet, and he’s traveling with the team.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on May 11, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
On the bright side, Brian Burke’s got to be happy that he’s found a new strategy once the Leafs make it to the playoffs.
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“Break their faces boys. I’ll cover your fines in the newly created ‘Opposing players injured incentive bonus!!’”
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hah
I’m sure Burke is aware of Campbell’s caveat that suspension only applies when the player is a Leaf
by Karina on May 11, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Only until Burke looks Campbell in the eye and punches him.
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Campbell is already cowering under his desk
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by blindfolded tank driver on May 11, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
As a note:
The maximum fine that the NHL can give out to a player, per the CBA, is $2,500 US.
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interesting. I could’ve sworn they fined Burrows $3,000 earlier this year.
by Karina on May 11, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Canuck players pay for shipping and handling
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by blindfolded tank driver on May 11, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
In the final minutes, the sore losers, in an attempt to either “set a tone” for the next meeting or actually injure an opponent or two, load up on the cheap shots. Some see this as manliness, intelligent people see it for the chicken-hearted display it is.
Uh oh….somebody thinks you guys are intelligent and you won’t like who it is one bit.
In all seriousness, it looks like Damien is also now appears to be complaining about scrums after whistles. I think he wants to turn the NHL into a no-contact league.
i hate scrums after whistles...
99% of them are pointless.
i don’t mind the occasional one, but they happen after EVERY stoppage in play it seems….
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by blurr1974 on May 11, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
yes
a lot of the time nothing happened and the players are mixing it up… and wasting time.
But if someone’s been slashing your goalie, have at it.
by Karina on May 11, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes
They are usually stupid just like Cox.
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The idiocy behind that pair of sentences from Damien Cox is immense but basically what he is trying to say is that people that like fights also like cheap shots. In turn, I am going to suggest that people that hate fighting also believe in beating up senior citizens. How could you possible be against fighting then?
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I love fights in hockey, I hate sucker punches.
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agreed...
fights are fine, the post whistle half hearted shoving that goes on is pathetic.
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by blurr1974 on May 11, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
SkinnyFish and I like fights in hockey so much we routinely beat up senior citizens in our men’s league.
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Questions
1. For Walker to be the third man in, wouldn’t Ward and Cullen have to be fighting? Neither had dropped the gloves, they were just jockeying and shoving in front of the net.
2. How did Walker not get a Match Penalty for that sucker punch? Rule 21.1:
A match penalty shall be imposed on any player or goalkeeper who deliberately attempts to injure an opponent in any manner.
A match penalty shall be imposed on a player or goalkeeper who deliberately injures an opponent in any manner
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I’d say a sucker punch to the head qualifies as deliberate attempt to injure, and seeing as he landed said punch, Walker deliberately injured Ward.
3. Does anyone think Walker’s actions don’t fall under the instigator rule? Rule 47.11 – I’ve bolded a few bits:
An instigator of an altercation shall be a player or goalkeeper who by his actions or demeanor demonstrates any/some of the following criteria: distance traveled; gloves off first; first punch thrown; menacing attitude or posture; verbal instigation or threats; conduct in retaliation to a prior game (or season) incident; obvious retribution for a previous incident in the game or season.
And if he was the instigator, shouldn’t he be facing a minimum one game suspension? Certainly the score and previous record aren’t reason enough for this to be rescinded…
47.22 Fines and Suspensions – Instigator in Final Five Minutes of Regulation Time (or Anytime in Overtime) – A player or goalkeeper who is deemed to be the instigator of an altercation in the final five (5) minutes of regulation time or at anytime in overtime, shall automatically be suspended for one game. The Director of Hockey Operations will review every such incident and may rescind the suspension based on a number of criteria. The criteria for the review shall include, but not limited to, the score, previous incidents, etc. The length of suspension will double for each subsequent offense. This suspension shall be served in addition to any other automatic suspensions a player may incur for an accumulation of three or more instigator penalties.
When the one-game suspension is imposed, the Coach shall be fined $10,000 – a fine that will double for each subsequent incident.
No team appeals will be permitted either verbally or in writing regarding the assessment of this automatic suspension.
Wheel of justice indeed…
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The NHL lifted his automatic one game suspension.
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I know, but
The criteria for the review shall include, but not limited to, the score, previous incidents, etc.
I can’t understand any criteria that would overturn the ban. Did the NHL provide any?
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Nice.
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Thus this post’s title.
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Also I really disagree that they should have to have been fighting for it to be a third man in situation.
Ward and whoever were clearly tangled up, that’s close enough.
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The rule says it’s ref’s discretion…re-watching that video, I personally wouldn’t have called Walker for third-man in. But I would have given him an instigator penalty and possibly a match penalty for intent to injure.
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To be honest I’m not too hung up on what to call it, I just know that what Walker did should get him a long suspension.
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If I were commissioner, I’d suspend him too, but I’m not sure how many games I’d give him. His defence is that he thought he was in a fight:
“Based on what was said on the ice as I was dropping my gloves, it was my understanding that I was engaged in an altercation.”
That’s a hard thing to be objective about, especially as we don’t have the officials report to know what might have been said on the ice.
Still, the current outcome is easily the worst possible one (automatic suspension rescinded without any transparency or explanation).
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Ward has his gloves on and was not shaking them off. I don’t buy Walker’s explanation.
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I’ve said some stupid stuff on the ice to try to draw a penalty or get another player to drop the gloves (and in nearly 20 years of hockey, I’ve only ever fought twice). Maybe he just didn’t think Walker would follow through.
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That still doesn’t excuse Walker.
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No, it doesn’t and I totally agree Walker should be suspended. But I also think his remarks about thinking it was a fight temper the discussion about how long the suspension should be.
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Neither do I. Saying something like, “Well my gloves were off.” is such a crock of shit. If the other guys doesn’t acknowledge the ensuing fight, then it’s not a fight.
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Maybe it’s a coincidence but Bill Daly said the same thing to Jim Balsillie.
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That’s what Sidney Crosby said about MacLean too and it sure didn’t look like he thought that he was in a fight either.
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I assume that this means that the league has decided to never suspend anyone ever again because if it’s not a suspension to punch a unsuspecting player with less than five minutes to go in a 4-0 whitewashing then I can’t think of a situation that would require a suspension.
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How fitting that the people voting for Walker won’t make themselves heard in the comments.
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Haha, there’s more than two votes though.
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Paul Maurice, Jim Rutherford, Colin Campbell and Gary Bettman all apparently frequent this site…
by Karina on May 11, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
DEAR PAUL MAURICE!
I still hate you and will for the rest of your life. Live with that jerkstore.
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Pointing and clicking is the extent of most Hurricanes fans’ grasp of the internet.
Oh, and providing their credit card numbers to Nigerian princes.
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afraid of getting sucker punched I guess?
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by blindfolded tank driver on May 11, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
On A Lighter Note - Photo Caption
Ward: Ok, I have my eyes closed! When do I get my surprise?
Walker: Incoming!
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Right, so how do you play paper, scissors, stone again?
Dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria.
Paper scissors stone… you’re absolutely precious.
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The NHL is smart. They made an already potentially exciting game a definite “must watch” for fans of ultraviolence. If this ISN’T why they let him off, they are retarded beyond belief.
TSN.ca better stream this badboy or I’ll be majorly ticked off! Chara is gonna break him over his knee and throw him down an elevator shaft. Tricky to do while on the ice, but not impossible.
On the dirty scale, it was definitely worse than Brashear’s flying elbow tiger uppercut and I felt he deserved the suspension fully. Just look at the picture above, how could that possibly get misconstrued in any way?
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The NHL is smart. They made an already potentially exciting game a definite "must watch" for fans of ultraviolence. If this ISN’T why they let him off, they are retarded beyond belief.
Damien Cox thinks your knuckles are scraped.
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I was kidding, I don’t think the NHL did it because of that. However, it will definitely draw some curious onlookers when lured by the promise of potential fisticuffs.
Damien should really stick with tennis, it offends his sensibilities far less. Although I think Serena Williams could probably beat the holy hell out of Walker too, which would be freaking awesome.
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by LeafFanInVan on May 11, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
haha
Yeah, I know. But at least that would show that the NHL used some sort of logic.
I think it’s funny that Cox uses an unrelated incident to advance his anti-fighting agenda but God forbid someone use a real incident in favour of fighting.
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Was it a sucker punch? Yes I think it was. However, with 2 minutes left to play in a four point lead game was it really necessary for Aaron Ward to punch Matt Cullen in the face? Cullen had both hands on his stick when he was hit in the face. At least Ward knew what was happening. Ward only seemed like he wasn’t interested in fighting when he realized it was Scott Walker. Looks like he wanted to take the punch. Kids got a glass jaw!
Boston will come out hard and aggressive and it will probably be their undoing.
Predicting to close out the series Tuesday night and I’ll be eating the lobsters that I bet with my Boston friends on Thursday.
Well...
Ward did throw a couple of gloved punches so I guess that means anything goes right?
They are independent events.
But thanks for coming over and using your words like an adult instead of being a dick like that mplant guy. Should be a hell of a game six.
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From 22 seconds in
In this video at second 22 Aaron Ward pushes off Walkers arm and then just drops both his hands like he is waiting to get punched.
PPP
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on May 11, 2009 5:02 PM EDT reply actions
If that’s not a big time suspension I don’t know what is.
If you watch closely though you can read Wards lips and it’s clear why the NHL didn’t suspend Walker. He’s saying : “You play for a crappy, southern, small market team. See you in Ontario in a year or two.”
not nice to talk about ur own player... :)
okay so ward must be referring to himself right?…. hmmm…. he played on the hurricanes and loved it so much he still lives in Raleigh during the summer…. hmmm…. yes… i do believe he is refering to himself :)
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