Is Toronto Getting the 2nd Overall Pick?
by Chemmy on May 12, 2009 1:30 PM EDT
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Today's question of the day: is this trade in any way, shape or form plausible, or is Elliotte Friedman smoking rocks? As reported by Torontosportsmedia, Elliotte Friedman was on AM640 the FAN590 this morning in Toronto with this to say:
Everyone in hockey is talking about this deal and thinks it will happen, Toronto’s pick, which I guess is number seven overall for Tampa’s pick which is number 2 overall, with Toronto taking back Ryan Malone and his lengthy hefty contract and perhaps another contract as well.
I'd like to poke some holes in this proposed trade. First of all, I don't think teams are that desperate to unload salary, even Tampa. The Leafs were willing to take on bad salary at the deadline this year and the only deal they got done was basically a fourth rounder for prospect Richard Petiot and taking on two months of salary. I really truly doubt Tampa is so worried about Malone's 4.25M salary for the next six years they're willing to give up Tavares for Cowen.
Furthermore, Ryan Malone put up decent points for Tampa this year:
$4.25 salary isn't that horrible for Malone right now, and those numbers seem pretty respectable for having played all year for the Lightning. Despite the length of the deal I think the Lightning could move Malone out of town for less than their second draft pick.
The flip side of the coin is that Malone is already 30. His deal is basically a lifetime deal and Tampa can't afford to buy out Malone. The Leafs could afford to stash Malone in the minors alongside Bell if he outlives his usefulness, but that's getting ahead of ourselves here. Clearly if Tampa offers the deal, the Leafs should be ready to essentially pay straight cash to move up five spots in the draft.
Additionally, Tampa has the offensive talent but no defense. Perhaps their interest is in Cowen, or Kulikov and trading down five spots doesn't hurt their plan especially if it moves Malone's boat anchor contract out of town? Have your say in the comments, and cross your fingers for the love of Wendel.
Tomorrow's question: Are the Lightning run by a chimpanzee in an adorable "thinking cap"?
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So we're cool...
with taking on all that salary?
Malone would make us a tougher team to play against. He’s kind of a douchebag.
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by eyebleaf on May 12, 2009 1:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Honestly if he retires the cap hit comes off the book, and if he sucks the Leafs should be willing to stash him on the Marlies.
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by Chemmy on May 12, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For the next two seasons though, I think Malone would be a good player.
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by Chemmy on May 12, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he seems to be a burke type player. I have no idea who he’d play with though. Bozak?
by Karina on May 12, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
blake and bozak
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by JaredFromLondon on May 12, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
then he could be a staple on the Marlies for 4 years
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by JaredFromLondon on May 12, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Should the Leafs spend $24M to move up from #7 to #2? 2 gives you either Tavares or Hedman, with the Matt Duchene option as well. The answer is yes. Pull the trigger on this deal.
Will Tampa give up their 2nd overall pick to move Malone now? Probably not.
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by Chemmy on May 12, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
on both accounts
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by blurr1974 on May 12, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly I wonder if the league would even approve the trade.
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by Chemmy on May 12, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
bettman would probably take away the leafs #1
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by JaredFromLondon on May 12, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that’s the problem, the league would crush this deal instantly
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by blindfolded tank driver on May 12, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We could always see if the Lightning want – what’s his name – Petoit? – back.
by Blue and White Expat on May 12, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i’d take it
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by JaredFromLondon on May 12, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
in a heartbeat
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by blurr1974 on May 12, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah. i like it. 26 goals is A NICE.
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by eyebleaf on May 12, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and we could use him to counter the likes of Avery, Ruutu et all
its been a while since the Leafs had a douche
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by JaredFromLondon on May 12, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It doesn’t matter if Toronto even gets a player back. This is essentially cash to move up in the draft.
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by Chemmy on May 12, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes and that is why the deal would not be approved as is. IMHO
by wayne scarlett on May 19, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the Leafs won’t get the #2 especially at that price.They would be better served to go for the #5 and talk with the Kings.They may be able to get the #5 with a player and a pick,that is not this years number one or next years.
by wayne scarlett on May 23, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As Chemmy noted, this deal would be a tough, tough sell to the league to begin with. Secondly, it’ll have to be a lot of salary but the Leafs could likely not care less about the $$ figures.
This is, however, the only way the Leafs will get into the top 2. No other deal makes sense/will happen.
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by PPP on May 12, 2009 1:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And I still think this isn’t enough for Tampa to do it.
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by Chemmy on May 12, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Because the Lightning still have to hit the salary cap floor which will be around $40M.
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by PPP on May 12, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
NHL numbers is showing 4 years at $4.25 left on his deal…
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by eyebleaf on May 12, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Click “expand” up top.
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by Chemmy on May 12, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hockeybuzz shows through the 2014-15 season
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by SkinnyFish on May 12, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
EWWW
No, click expand up top.
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by PPP on May 12, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks boys.
i’m a dumbass.
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by eyebleaf on May 12, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If it makes you feel better I did the exact same thing but Godd Till caught it while I was talking to him on gchat.
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by Chemmy on May 12, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, so for the sake of argument, let’s say this deal goes down. Why exactly would the league intervene? On what grounds?
by Fleet Fox on May 12, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is a specific clause in the CBA that prevents this kind of trade. It wasn’t applied to Leapin’ Lou’s deal with SJ but you can guarantee it would be in this case.
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by PPP on May 12, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But what particular aspect of the trade? We took on salary from them at the deadline and it wasn’t deemed illegal…
by Fleet Fox on May 12, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s why they took that pick away.
I’ll try to look up the clause…
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by PPP on May 12, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We’ve been discussing above, and the consensus is that the pick was taken away from us because of the improper signing of Frogren, not our deadline deal with Tampa.
by Fleet Fox on May 12, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that was the excuse that they used, had we not taken on the salary, it is very doubtful they would have come after our pick
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by JaredFromLondon on May 12, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ahh. D’accord. Well, I’m not sure I’m willing to believe that 100%. That’s total speculation, and therefore, is all the more reason to hope that this trade will actually go through.
by Fleet Fox on May 12, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope your right, of course, but until this deal comes off the rumour mill and becomes reality – I’ll take the idea with a grain of salt.
by Blue and White Expat on May 12, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no…they took away the 4th rounder because of “irregularities” in the Frogren deal,which was approved by the League as it stood.Still can’t figure that one out
by wayne scarlett on May 19, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The deal they should be going for is with LA not Tampa.There are rumblings that it might happen,without losing the #7,in the process
by wayne scarlett on May 23, 2009 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This trade wont happen BUT if there was any GM dumb enough to do this it would be Brian Lawton.
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by Brad Ackerson on May 12, 2009 1:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, we’re all pretty smart then.
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by Chemmy on May 12, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just gonna make it obvious
From Mirtle’s site:
The Maple Leafs general manager shot down a rumour that he would send the Leafs’ seventh overall pick in the NHL entry draft in June to the Tampa Bay Lightning for the second pick overall and right winger Ryan Malone. The catch is Malone is under contract through the 2014-15 season at a salary cap hit of $4.5-million US a season for each of the next six years.
"I have no comment," Burke said. "It certainly has not been discussed at our end."
A source in Tampa also scuttled the speculation.
— Terry Koshan, Toronto Sun
by Karina on May 12, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s not really a shoot-down. He said that he has no comment, then commented that they haven’t discussed that.
Lawyerspeak.
Doesn’t mean they aren’t talking about anything, just means that they aren’t talking about the deal precisely as specified.
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by 1967ers on May 12, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Burke is definitely sneaky but I think he sees the light after the Frogren fiasco that the league won’t let that shit fly.
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by PPP on May 12, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he’d probably ship a player or two back to make it look more legit
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by JaredFromLondon on May 12, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but
that doesn’t solve Tampa debt problem.
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by blurr1974 on May 12, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how...
we take on $4M in salary and give them back what?
On the young and cheap side, for this trade not to stink to high heaven we’ve got Schenn and Tlusty.
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by blurr1974 on May 12, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bozak, Straleman (they need a puck mover), White
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by JaredFromLondon on May 12, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
for a first rounder...
and second overall at that?
those names won’t fly.
Yes Bozak is projected to be an Yzerman-esque two way forward, but he hasn’t played a game and he’s still considered an undrafted prospect.
He’s nothing until he’s done something.
Stralman is not nearly as good as he should be, I’ll give you that, but White isn’t worthy of a first round pick in a trade, no matter what the slot.
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by blurr1974 on May 12, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but
it is a hockey deal if the Leafs send a player back.
There’s no way the leafs get 2nd overall + Malone and don’t include a player the other way.
by Karina on May 12, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, i never said it was a good trade, those players just might make it palatable enough for the NHL to swallow
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by JaredFromLondon on May 12, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For this deal, he’d almost certainly have to. And because of Malone’s salary, it’d probably have to be one of the Leafs’ big guns too, so as to look all hunky dorey in the league’s eye. But then because they’d be taking on salary, the deal no longer makes sense for Tampa, and it falls apart.
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by SkinnyFish on May 12, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it would probably at the very least take a Hanson or a Bozak
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by JaredFromLondon on May 12, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And it won’t include guys that Burke signed.
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by PPP on May 12, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No reason why not. As has been said, there will have to be someone young and pretty good going back the other way, but I see no reason why #2 and a salary wouldn’t be in play.
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by 1967ers on May 12, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Won't Happen
Even in the slight off-chance that it does, the league will simply approve it and then come back like 1 hour before draft day and say the transaction was illegal and give the Lightning back their 2nd pick and punish the Leafs by also taking away their original 7th pick AND making them take Malone and the salary. They’ve done it before and they’ll do it again.
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by Winkle on May 12, 2009 1:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
but how would they rationalize the trade as illegal? not that i dont doubt they’d try, but they never called the last shady trade illegal, they just found new and creative ways to punish the leafs
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by JaredFromLondon on May 12, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well whatever, I’m no expert with the terminology but the league will shaft the Leafs for sure if this happens, it’s really a cash to move up on the draft list transaction, and the league has already demonstrated that they will wag their fingers if the Leafs try to move cash for anything including Burke’s after-lunch pretzel snack
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by Winkle on May 12, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the movement of salary is monitored, especially when a rich team with space uses it as an asset…that’s too clever for the league to like
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by blindfolded tank driver on May 12, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So we finalize it so close to the deadline that they can’t actually do anything about it.
by Blue and White Expat on May 12, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that’s what burke tried on deadline day, and was later penalized
by Karina on May 12, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
honestly I think the league let that trade happen, solely for the fact they could take the pick for the Frogren deal
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by blindfolded tank driver on May 12, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah but they punished him in a backhanded way.
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by furcifer on May 12, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How did they penalize him? I thought that the deadline deal went through just fine.
by Fleet Fox on May 12, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The league stripped the pick that we acquired from Tampa as punishment for giving Frogren more than an entry-level contract.
by Blue and White Expat on May 12, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hold the phone. We were punished for the improper signing of Frogren. Not for the deadline transaction, right?
by Fleet Fox on May 12, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
correct. that trade was fishy though to the league, but I think they let it slide solely to pooch that pick from the Leafs
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by blindfolded tank driver on May 12, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats what they say, but of course they waited till after the deadline to punish the leafs for the frogren deal which took place before the season
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by JaredFromLondon on May 12, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, so: we were NOT punished for taking on salary at the deadline, only for the Frogren mess. That’s what I thought. Then why are people saying that league is going to block the type of transaction that this rumor is suggesting?
by Fleet Fox on May 12, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
pessimism runs deep in the veins of Leafs fans.
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by blindfolded tank driver on May 12, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not pessimism – just cynical realism.
by Blue and White Expat on May 12, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably a lot of both, depending on the previous game played.
by Fleet Fox on May 12, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would make me riot.
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by furcifer on May 12, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In some magical fantasy land, this happens and it makes Montreal implode at the draft.
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by blindfolded tank driver on May 12, 2009 1:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Multiple Universes Theory
In one of them it happens and Tavares continues the Leafs streak of 25 straight Stanley Cups now re-named the Clark Cup because he captained the team to 15 of them.
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by PPP on May 12, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats my favourite universe. Steak is free and alcohol actually made you smarter and more charming instead of you just thinking that it did
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by JaredFromLondon on May 12, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
alcohol actually made you smarter and more charming instead of you just thinking that it did
What are you trying to say?
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by PPP on May 12, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that i have made an ass out of myself on numerous occasions with the favour of alcohol on my side
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by JaredFromLondon on May 12, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
all I know is I’m moving to that universe…and soon
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by blindfolded tank driver on May 12, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the deal that would make montreal implode….is Vinnie to the Leafs for the 7th and nothing else.
Ya done rolling on the floor laughing yet? It was actually suggested in the calgary media and was the topic of endless banter on the Fan960 out here for days!!. Would that be interesting or what?
Not saying it will happen….just relating a rumor that got all of the alledged experts going.
It would not bother me at all to see the Leafs stand pat.Braden Schenn is an excellent “consolation” prize,after all.
by wayne scarlett on May 19, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly, it’s not going to happen and I don’t want it too…
…I demand double the Schennanigans next year.
by Clawson on May 12, 2009 1:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
For straight cash Matt Duchene or John Tavares are a lot better than Brayden Schenn.
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by Chemmy on May 12, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. Although failing that, I like Brayden Schenn for free if necessary.
by Blue and White Expat on May 12, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m worried that he’s going to be a great checking line guy, and not a game changer.
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by Chemmy on May 12, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So we give them Kaberle to make the trade legal, sign J-Bo, and still come out ahead – if we can put J-Bo’s name to paper.
by Blue and White Expat on May 12, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
giving them Kaberle doesn’t give them any cap relief
by Karina on May 12, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kaberle has two years left at his salary as opposed to six.
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by Chemmy on May 12, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Important bit, that. It also gives them pretty solid trade-bait.
by Blue and White Expat on May 12, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by wayne scarlett on May 19, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Schenn had a faceoff winning percentage in the high 80’s.Granted it is junior….but how many goals did the Leafs give up this season,because they lost the faceoff? in the high 30’s.
Schenn may never put up a 50 goal or 100 point season,but 25 to 30 goals and 80 to 90 points,while being a major plus player and a strong faceoff man is nothing to sneeze at.
by wayne scarlett on May 19, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
for those old farts out there(like me)…think Norm Ullman,and you get my point about Brayden Schenn.
by wayne scarlett on May 19, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The NHL would spike it and fine the leafs 1.5million and get to whack a player of their choice in the knees as hard as they want with a 1m section of rebar.
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by LeafFanInVan on May 12, 2009 2:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Let’s see if I can move out of the realm of witty jokes and make actual points…
I think the willingness of Tampa Bay to deal will be completely depend on whether or not Hedman is going first. Tavares is an incredible player, but is that what they really need? I mean, this is a team that lacks a goalie and a decent defensive corps, and has an utter glut of offensive talent. Stamkos and Tavares on one team would be great, but it’s unnecessary, costly, and you still don’t have what you really need. I think they are in the market for a defenseman or a goaltender, and if they can’t get Hedman they are going to try and market Tavares. Are you going to get that deal? I doubt it; I’m not sure what you guys have in your system, but they’re going to want at least one or two good/great prospects. Shipping Malone seems way, way too ideal. Reminds me of the rumored Detroit/Denver/Cleveland trade rumors involving Cutler; you don’t really lose anything and you gain everything.
Maybe I’m completely off-base, but
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by Justice and Rule on May 12, 2009 2:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I just don’t see it happening. Damn, how the hell did it lose the rest of the post?
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by Justice and Rule on May 12, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whoa, Denver? Cleveland? When did they get hockey teams? ; )
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by furcifer on May 12, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Denver does have a hockey team, but they really don’t want to talk about it right now… :-D
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by Justice and Rule on May 12, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
If it’s part of a plan to free up money in order to get defence (I think Mike Smith is good enough) then the deal starts to make a little more sense because they can draft a defensive prospect and sign more help. But it’s still missing a lot of pieces.
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by PPP on May 12, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, as much as Ryan Malone’s contract is a burden, he himself is not a detriment to his team, so I think we’ll have to throw more into the package to make the trade happen. The fact that Brian Burke wouldn’t comment makes me giggle like a schoolgirl.
by Fleet Fox on May 12, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Burke doesnt seem to enjoy commenting on anything that he didnt bring up himself (Im going after Tavares!)
I like it
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by JaredFromLondon on May 12, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brian Burke’s “no comment” translates:
“Of course we’re trying to get this done you jackass, but we can’t go around advertising it, or the [other guy] will KNOW we’re trying to steal the shirt off his back. Now STFU!”
by Blue and White Expat on May 12, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If Burke does somehow get Tavares, his I told you so presser will be amazing
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by JaredFromLondon on May 12, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, current projections show no Goaltenders in the first round, so they probably are focusing on defense. Oddly enough, most projections predict the Leafs to take the first defenseman after Hedman, so that probably works to Burke’s benefit in a deal. Let me ask you Leafs fans: what can Toronto give at a discount to Tampa that they’d consider?
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by Justice and Rule on May 12, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Straleman, I dont care what anyone says, tampa is desperate for a puck moving defenseman, and they would probably be more than willing to take a chance on him
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by JaredFromLondon on May 12, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If they are taking another defenseman in the draft, it’s certainly possible. Him and Kaberle for Malone and another salary dump (Maybe exchanging a second or third round pick as well) could work.
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by Justice and Rule on May 12, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stralman is a good option. Ian Wite is also a bargain.
by general borschevsky on May 12, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Doug McLean’s reported that the owner of the Lightning said they’re willing to talk, but they want the 7th, Schenn and Kaberle.
Now…
I personally feel that Burke can absolutely get this done, because he has a track record of backing it up. I think the deal will fall somewhere between the two that are being reported.
Kaberle and the 7 for the 2, Malone and a warm body.
Would you do that?
by clrkaitken on May 12, 2009 2:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes
If they want to go after defence it would include Kaberle at a good number, maybe a guy like White, plus the 7.
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by PPP on May 12, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It makes sense playerwise for TB; they need some good proven defense down there. (Even though they’d probably be drafting Hedman)
But it doesn’t make sense dollarwise for them if they are in fact trying to dump salary by trading Malone.
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by SkinnyFish on May 12, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if they’d want Kubina back?
by Fleet Fox on May 12, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Question.
If we sign Gustavsson, would folks be wiling to give him up in a deal for 2nd? TB will need him.
by Fleet Fox on May 12, 2009 2:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
TB has Tokarski.
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by eyebleaf on May 12, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
poor toka
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by JaredFromLondon on May 12, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d do Kabby and the 7 for the 2 and Malone and a warm body. As soon as Schenn’s name is mentioned, unless you’re throwing in one of about 10 players in the NHL (none of which currently suit up for the Tampa Bay Lightning), I’m not interested.
by Blue and White Expat on May 12, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree
Schenn is a non-starter before 10 first round picks – Words of Burke right there.
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by PPP on May 12, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The other thing is that even IF he managed to get John Tavares out of the deal – if he traded Schenn, LeafsNation would lynch him.
by Blue and White Expat on May 12, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I highly doubt Burke is worried about the Fans’ opinion of his moves. If he brings the cup, he knows all would be forgiven.
by Karina on May 12, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. He brings the Cup, I don’t really care how he does it.
by Blue and White Expat on May 12, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tavares isnt worth two first rounders especially when you throw in Kaberle and whatever else, and thats exactly what schenn is, another first rounder
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by JaredFromLondon on May 12, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree. No way I’m giving up a second first rounder to draft Tavares. No way.
by Fleet Fox on May 12, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
None of the guys that Burke brought to Toronto will get moved.
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by PPP on May 12, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont think burke will go shopping em, but if Hanson or Bozak is the tax on the price of admission for Tavares, i dont see him saying no
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by JaredFromLondon on May 12, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hanson is ILL in NHL 09
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by eyebleaf on May 12, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i really need to get my xbox online
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by JaredFromLondon on May 12, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really? He didn’t seem to be fantastic when he played a few games for us. What’s he rated in the game? I’m always interested to see what the EA guys think of players. Even if they’re all Habs fans.
by Fleet Fox on May 12, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he’s a 78…
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by eyebleaf on May 12, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
74 on mine
i just played last night.
but he progresses quickly
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by blurr1974 on May 12, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Glad to hear that they have some faith in him. I wonder what they’ll think of Bozak.
by Fleet Fox on May 12, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mark my words, Burke will trade up and then trade down. I actually just wrote about this: http://palhalpall.blogspot.com/2009/05/hockey-night-in-canada-owes-us-more.html
Oh, and it was on the Fan 590, not AM 640
by Pal Hal Pall on May 12, 2009 3:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So...umm....is this where I get on the bandwagon?
My team has deserted me. I can stand it no longer. Any room on the Leafs train for a refugee?
by ReasonableDoubt on May 12, 2009 3:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
WELCOME ABOARD!
There’s always room on the biggest bandwagon in the world.
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by PPP on May 12, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you’re welcome on the Bruins bandwagon too, RD.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on May 12, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, Boston fans repulse me.
I’m told your Versus swag is on the way, though.
by ReasonableDoubt on May 12, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I got some stuff, a poster and a prize pack. Pretty sweet t-shirt and foam puck!
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on May 12, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One simple question:
Do you hate the Canadiens?
If you’re answer is YES, then no matter who you cheer for, you are a member of Leafs nation.
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by SkinnyFish on May 12, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't Forget
Do you ever feel like every fanbase, newspaper writer, league official, and referee are against you?
Then we have the fanbase for you!
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by PPP on May 12, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we are also wary of Sens fans…they smell of orphanages
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by blindfolded tank driver on May 12, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’ll need to perform feats of strength, or admit two of the following three things are true
1. Boston is an excellent city inhabited by friendly hardworking lovable people.
2. The cowbell at Rays games is the stupidest thing you can think of off hand.
3. Florida is America’s wang.
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by Chemmy on May 12, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Leafs bandwagon, not Red Sox bandwagon.
It’s ok. I know you get easily confused.
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by SkinnyFish on May 12, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ReasonableDoubt is a Rays fan.
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by Chemmy on May 12, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ALL THREE ARE FALSE, AND MY PROFESSION DICTATES I CANNOT TELL LIES
Oh. Sorry. I get a bit out of hand when it comes to baseball talk.
by ReasonableDoubt on May 12, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, the third one is probably true.
by ReasonableDoubt on May 12, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only need to admit to one more.
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by Chemmy on May 12, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Negative, ghost rider. Boston is full of thugs and my cowbell remains tightly gripped in my hand.
You may take my life…but you will never take my cowbell.
by ReasonableDoubt on May 12, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Feats of strength, then.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on May 12, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
au contraire, what we need is great strength of feet!
by ReasonableDoubt on May 12, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re ok in my book, but I’m just a knuckle-dragging Boston fan…so you’ll have to impress someone else.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on May 12, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll also accept the following options as your final admission:
1. The New England Patriots are the most well run team in professional sports.
2. Fenway Park is the nicest stadium in baseball.
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by Chemmy on May 12, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll agree with the Pats have the most well-run front office in football.
by ReasonableDoubt on May 12, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
All of sports.
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by Chemmy on May 12, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how do you sleep at night?
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by JaredFromLondon on May 12, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
On top of a pile of money, surrounded by beautiful ladies.
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by Chemmy on May 12, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
correct answer
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by JaredFromLondon on May 12, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Additionally I think that even if they started with a roster of only football players the Patriots front office could probably win a Stanley Cup in the next decade.
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by Chemmy on May 12, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Although the serious answer is that I like the Burke and Wilson hirings. Robert Kraft, owner of the Patriots, wants to win championships and he brought in people to make football decisions while he signs checks. Thank god MLSE finally got on board.
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by Chemmy on May 12, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
has there even been any public sightings of Peddie or tenembaum since Burkie took the reigns?
I think they may be excited to an island in a room painted with poison
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by JaredFromLondon on May 12, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Burke locked them in the labyrinth with the Minotaur…
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by blindfolded tank driver on May 12, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you mess with the Burke, you get the horns?
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on May 12, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that’s on his business card.
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by blindfolded tank driver on May 12, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Response to #1-
Who just so happen to like killing each other over things, like, how Irish they are or aren’t.
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by kidkawartha on May 12, 2009 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Back to the witty jokes, now
Can we bet Tocchet double or nothing?
Gerber power!!!1
by LeafFanInVan on May 12, 2009 4:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Only if Janet Gretzky’s around.
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by Chemmy on May 12, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently he turned down Mats offer to become professional card sharks.
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by Justice and Rule on May 12, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the Leafs really are intent on making a deal….I see that deal,being with the Avs.It all depends on whether or not the Islanders do the sensible thing and take Hedman.I am still not convinced that they will take Tavares,because they have several young forwards.Name one Islanders Dman.No? Didn’t think so.I couldn’t either without looking up their roster.That is why I believe that Hedman goes first.
Then,if the Lightning really are looking to improve,they take Cowen.There are some circles,including some on the PPP homepage that have questions about Tavares’ speed and ability to play 5 on 5 at the NHL level.Just remember,they said the same thing 32 years ago about a young player by the name of Mike Bossy and we all know how well that pick turned out for the Isles.( The Isles took him with the 15th overall pick….meaning our Leafs passed on him twice…in favor of John Anderson and Trevor Johanson).
If it goes that way,the Avs would need to have their socks blown off by any deal for the # 3 pick…..but we can always dream.And who is to say that the Avs would take Tavares ahead of Matt Duchene?
by wayne scarlett on May 19, 2009 1:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Does anyone out there remember a Detroit Dman in the 80’s by the name of Reed Larson? That is the type of player I see Ian White becoming,if the Leafs continue to develope him instead of including him in any deal.
by wayne scarlett on May 19, 2009 1:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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