What Should the Maple Leafs do with their Young Prospects?
With Luke Schenn last summer the big question was whether or not the Leafs should have returned him to his junior club or kept him up with the big team. If Schenner was returned to juniors he would not have forfeited a year of RFA eligibility, but he also wouldn't have gotten playing time against NHL players. Schenn performed pretty well for a rookie last season, but he was also a highly touted 5th overall player.
The Leafs have some young talent in the wings right now in Stefanovich, D. Mitchell, Tlusty, Hanson and Bozak. Some of them could be 2nd line players and maybe we get lucky and one of them turns into a legitimate first rounder. The question is, do you play them in the NHL or play them in the AHL next season?
The way I see it is if you play them in the AHL they can ease their way into the pro game with less chance of burning out. As Prof. Steve has told us many times, a lot of the reason for Detroit's "young" players being so successful is that they develop for a long time in the AHL and aren't called up until they're 23 or 24. The other option is to throw these kids into the fire, hope they can handle the game without breaking and contribute and develop positively under the Toronto microscope. So what say you Leafs fans? Develop these kids in the AHL or the NHL?
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Let them develop as a young core with the Marlies. Likely the Leafs will struggle this season but I would rather struggle with a few keepers and the rest being roster fillers than struggle with the kids up with the big team. The media scrutiny will be full pressure to play the kids on the big team though.
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by blindfolded tank driver on May 28, 2009 2:47 PM EDT reply actions
I don’t think there’s a blanket strategy to employ here. Obviously, it depends on the individual, however, to start the season, I think it best to assume they’re suiting up for the Marlies.
I’d like to see if Tlusty can be the force he was for the last 3rd over a full AHL season before even thinking of calling him up again.
In addition, if we’re calling up a “skill” player, we should plan on giving him the minutes and situations he’ll need to produce. No sense calling up a Bozak or Tlusty and sticking them on the 4th line to play 5 minutes a game…
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by blurr1974 on May 28, 2009 2:50 PM EDT reply actions
If only we could have brought up all the AHL players last year, tanked and finished dead last to draft John Tavares. Oh wait, we’re not the Isles.
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honestly I think Wilson could coach the timbits players to a better record than the Isles
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by blindfolded tank driver on May 28, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
We’ll have to use a few of them to fill injury holes; that’s just a given. They’ll get a taste of the big club in small doses while staying mostly in the minors. Tlusty might be an exception after already playing the majority of last season in the
AHL.
Tlusty is younger than Bozak, and Hanson. I’d like to see all these guys develop some chemistry.
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If they are good enough to play their future role on the big club now then they play (ie 1st or 2nd or top pairing defenceman) for the Leafs. If not, enjoy the bus rides.
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This is pretty much it.
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by Down Goes Brown on May 28, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
But it’s not that simple. As players they haven’t fully developed meaning throwing them in the NHL could stunt their development.
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It is just that simple. Didn’t you read my comment? If they are good enough to play the role to which they are destined then they will be facing the opponents that they will be facing for the rest of their career so they will improve.
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I haven’t read anything you’ve written in years.
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Weird
I still go to your site all of the time.
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It’s still in my bookmarks, I absent mindedly click on it once a week or so.
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If they’re ready to play, they should play. You don’t learn anything by playing at too low a level.
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Hopefully the players that are natural cenres will be given the proper coaching on winning defensive zone faceoffs,which was a real weak spot this season.
by wayne scarlett on May 30, 2009 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Prospects!!!1
Keep all the college cats, as well as Dale mother fucking Mitchell on the farm.
Tlusty should be in the NHL.
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But Tlusty could help develop chemistry with his future linemates.
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I think you have to back up a step and come up with what "developing young players" means. In Detroit’s case, they took a look at their assets and determined they could win a certain way. They then found a mgmnt team that bought in. Though the draft, free agency, luck and the miracle that was Stevie Y, they developed multiple players who can assume specific roles on the team. As for the draft, this does not mean they drafted role players. You always draft the best player available, but guys with a broader range of skills can adapt to a broader number of roles. To my mind that’s what makes Dido a good prospect, he went from star scorer and puck bunny attraction on a shitty team to quarterback on one of the best power plays in junior hockey, all in one season. With many possibilities in the hopper and the attendant competition between players to fill these roles, some guys will excel by example. Once you build a good team, the system is self perpetuating, and less vulnerable to injury woes, roles being filled via the competition that takes place in the minors.
In Burke’s case, he seems to have a team configuration in mind, subordinate mgmnt and Wilson are on board, and most of the scouting jobs are up for evaluation. There is always an argument about learning the game and the ability to adapt to play different roles when needed in the minor pros. In Toronto’s case though, dealing with the media and fan expectations on the big stage is part of everyone’s role. Some guys can deal with it, others can’t, and there are sport psychologists for those unsure. There is also the need for speed. "Mentally tough" and speedy become a qualification for all role players. Can these be developed in the minors? I don’t know, and just to complicate matters, free agency and trades are another method of getting players to fill certain slots. But success on that front depends on timing. I say until all the roles are filled, keep calling guys up to replace those who play themselves out of a job.
by blue with age on May 28, 2009 4:11 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
ahhh i don’t know. Same as how the treated Luke – he only stayed up because he was in the top 4 of our D. Bozak, Tlusty, Hanson, will only be up if they’re playing in the top 6. Otherwise, to the AHL with them.
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by Karina on May 28, 2009 4:39 PM EDT reply actions
I actually voted Yes?
But that’s because I think all of them will get a look at some point in the season so I’m just being realistic.
I think at this point Tlusty will be in the NHL next season, and Stålberg, Bozak, and Hanson will all get a shot to make the team out of training camp as their final roles aren’t defined as of yet. In the long run I’d be surprised if 2 of the three aren’t playing most of the season in the AHL though.
As for the blue line, a lot depends on what happens with Kaberle and Kubina. If either one is dealt at the deadline, expect Stralman to get more time in the top 4. I think he’s approaching the age where he can’t be bounced around between the AHL and NHL, so he might pose a conundrum for the team this season.
I’d like them to leave players in the AHL as long as possible though, so expect Stefanovich, Mitchell, and DiDo to all have to work their way onto the team. They’re only 19 years old so it’s not like it’s asking a lot of them. Think of it as going to “college” for them before they enter the workforce. Most kids their age have to do it, so unless they prove amazingly superior I don’t see the need to rush things.
If they fit a role on the team, and they’re going to do that in the long run, then bringing them up is fine. But if you slot them in as a 4th line grinder when they’re a sniper, and expect them to do that job… good luck seeing any results.
If you want examples, take a look at how Burke brought along Bobby Ryan, or how the Sharks worked in Pavelski, Clowe, and Mitchell into their lineups over time. It wasn’t overnight and it wasn’t the way the Leafs have done it in the past.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Burke
also got Getzlaf and Perry some seasoning in the AHL before calling them up. I don’t think he believes in rushing prospects either, they have to be playing in the spot that they’re intended for, not just to plug a gap in the team.
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by Karina on May 28, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Will all our prospects overcome Greg Gilbert’s coaching in the AHL?
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by Karina on May 28, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh and by deadline for the Kaberle and Kubina trade...
I meant at the draft… oops.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
I voted Yes
But really it’s a bit of both, Unless we go out and sign quite a few FA’s aren’t we going to have to have some of these guys step in?
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Where's the good old
“Trade them for over the hill former superstars” option?
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by Karina on May 28, 2009 6:29 PM EDT reply actions
burried in a landfill in michigan with JFJs GM career
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by JaredFromLondon on May 28, 2009 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
how’d he end up in Michigan?
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by Karina on May 28, 2009 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions
didnt Toronto have a contract to dump its garbage there?
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by JaredFromLondon on May 28, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
oh I have no idea… maybe.
That WOULD make sense.
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by Karina on May 28, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
If they’re good enough, they’re old enough.
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Hockey is likely the only place where this statement won’t put you in big trouble. :P
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you forgot to mention the shifty eyes
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by blindfolded tank driver on May 28, 2009 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Welcome to PPP, Mr. Price.
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by Down Goes Brown on May 28, 2009 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

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