He'll Have That Scar on His Chin Forever
Tonight is game seven for the Stanley Cup.
A one-game winner take all match for the cup that many of us have imagined countless times in street hockey games, backyard rinks, table hockey and, for all I know, maybe even some ultra competitive games of air hockey. Editor's Note: Don't forget university intramurals!
In about eight hours, the Cup will be won and another season will enter the history books. In the meantime, here are five Cup-related questions for you to contemplate...
I have played on and cheered for some seriously bad teams in my day. I was once part of a baseball team that was so lacking in rudimentary skills that the catcher had to roll the ball back to the pitcher. Any throwing attempt from behind the plate was just as likely to hit the left fielder as it was to make it back to the pitcher.
Our coach, unable to get us to perform the most basic of baseball tasks ("You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball") instituted a rule that whenever the other team advanced a runner to third base our catcher was to sit on home plate with the ball in his lap until the ump forced the player back to third and the ball could be safely rolled back to the pitcher.
For good measure, and no apparent reason, this team of 10 year olds was sponsored by a discount cigar store.
A few years back I was asked to join a new hockey team in a men’s summer league. The team was composed of physicians, psychiatrists, lawyers and accountants. There were more professional degrees in the dressing room than there were water bottles and pucks. We would go on to lose every single game we played. There were nights when I think we would have been better off playing in our shoes.
In my last year of grade school, I cheered on a Leaf squad that only won 20 games. The next year the Leafs won 25, but somehow managed to sweep the Black Hawks in the first round of the playoffs.
The lesson: even bad teams have their moments of joy.
And so, the first question of the week…
1. Would you rather be a good player on a bad team or a bad player on a good team? Ilya Kovalchuk trapped in Atlanta or Aaron Downey on the Wings? Mark Streit stuck on Long Island or Jeff Taffe, hoping to play again for the Penguins?
And no weaseling out with trade demands or free agency. Consider yourself locked-up long term with a NMC. To get your name on the Cup, you also have to play one game in the Stanley Cup final. Imagine being in the press-box up until game six and wondering if you might get your shot in the ultimate single game. If not, you get to "win" the Cup in a suit and tie, some 200 feet above the ice...
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There’s been a lot of chatter about the opening game montages assembled by CBC, more specifically the choice of music involved.
What hasn’t yet been discussed is the creation of a mocktage. Nothing but the choicest clips of losing teams making bad decisions with the puck, goalies being exposed, and players lying comatose on the ice after getting caught with their head-down.
Given all the creativity out there and the power of the ‘Net you’d think there’d be plenty of these mocktages to go around.
Maybe I’m just surfing in the wrong spots.
2. If you were to assemble a "tribute" video to all the losers, what choice clips would make your final cut and, most importantly, what backing track would you go with?
As a personal aside, I don’t think you can get any better than "Sunday Morning Coming Down" a song so grimy it makes me like I’ve got dirty nails, greasy hair and a second degree hangover coming on, but I’m sure I’ll be proven wrong.
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One of the prevailing arguments about who gains entry to the Hockey Hall of Fame is the oft-heard rejoinder, "But he didn’t win a cup."
3. If the Red Wings win tonight, and that’s a big if, does Chris Osgood have the career to enter the HHOF?
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Here’s an easy-peasy one. No back story, no anecdotes about old landlords and eating competitions, just a pure hockey question:
4. Who do you like in tonight’s game 7? Who do you like for the Conn Smythe? And who, if anyone do you think ends up wearing the goat horns?
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Later tonight, after Bettman has been booed, the Cup has been raised, laps have been skated, photos taken, fans elated and hearts broken, the Cup will go back into its case.
Over the next few months, each player on the winning team will get the Cup for day.
5. If one of your long-lost road hockey, backyard shinny, beer league daydream moments came true and you found yourself winning the Stanley Cup, what would you do with it on your day?
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Too busy to answer them all but #5
I would find a way to have sex with that Cup. Yes, I said it. I love it that much.
1.
2. I always loved the “Chance May Never Come Again” that CBC had on their playoff montages. I’d use Burrows OT goal, the Hawks OT goal vs. the Wings, Cleary’s goal in Game 7 vs the Ducks, and Varlamov’s incredible save to name a few,
3. I wouldn’t put him in but the Hall of Fame has become so diluted in terms of prestige he probably will get in
4. I want Pittsburgh to win but I think the Wings will take it. Zetterberg gets the Conn Smythe and Fleury chokes to blow the Pens chances.
5. I haven’t given up on that dream yet.
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1. oops good player on a bad team. I was a bad player when I played baseball but I always had more fun on my teams that finished last and went out there and had a great time than my teams that were all business and won the league championship.
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- role player on a winner. I’ve been a star on shitty teams and it sucks even though you’re potting goals left right and centre.
- Like a blooper reel? I love that idea. Cam Ward’s fluffed catch from game three would definitely be front and centre.
- He’ll make it in because his numbers (three/four cups, 400 wins) but I find it hilarious that Red Wings fans can’t accept that he is not an elite goalie. He is good enough to put up great numbers behind one of the best hockey teams ever but when he didn’t play for a juggernaut he sucked. What does that tell you? Good luck arguing with Red Wings fans though. Stupid doesn’t even begin to describe most of them (SkinnyFish and my cousin excluded)
- Red Wings – Henrik Zetterberg – Hal Gill I bet which makes me sad. Although, the more I think about it, I’d prefer Osgood letting in an Osgood classic (red-line clapper) in OT that costs the Wings the Cup. Actually, screw it, Pal Hall Pall is right. I want the Penguins to win because SCREW CHRIS OSGOOD.
- Let all of the little cousins take turns winning it via various competitions, eat out of it (after cleaning it VERY VERY CAREFULLY – Stupid Kris Draper), and then make it the centre point of a menage-a-trois.
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Good Point
Me, a lady, and the Cup is what I had in mind.
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I live in Detroit PPP and I think it’s the total opposite. Not sure what Wings fans you know, but a majority of fans that call into sports radio bash Osgood at every chance. A couple bad goals in a game and they crucify the guy. It’s been addressed multiple times here on why people don’t respect what he’s done.
by Evening News Team on Jun 12, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
1. A little torn on this. Or course I want to say “bad player on a good team” because everyone wants to win and have success. But, in the end, it’s about money. Gotta go with “good player on a bad team”. Should get paid nicely for being good, and I’m getting ice time and playing a game I love for money.
2. No loser video will ever top this… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NU_RCwy7fi4&feature=fvsr
3. Don’t think so. Just because you’ve won four cups doesn’t mean you belong in the Hall of Fame. I wouldn’t put Robert Horry in the NBA hall of fame and he’s won 7 rings.
4. Wings will win. Osgood wins Conn Smythe, and Fleury lets in a couple softies.
5. Probably do the whole “party with the family and close friends at the house” thing.
by Evening News Team on Jun 12, 2009 4:11 PM EDT reply actions
Number 2
It’s definitely hard to top!
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wow
yeah that video is brutal
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by Karina on Jun 12, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
1. Hmmm. Good question. Possibly bad player on a good team because I don’t think I could take it if I was the best player on team that consistently loses. I’d probably beat up reporters and throw things at fans that mocked me.
2. Oooooh. Um. Alfredsson being KO’d by Bell… or is this a playoff mocktage? Then I’d have to think about it more.
3. Yes. I don’t like it, but I think you have a hard time keeping Osgood out if he gets another (what, 3rd?) cup ring.
4. Ugh, well I’m really hoping for Pittsburgh. I think Crosby’s going to come out flying and can see him going home with the Conn Smythe. More realisticly, I see the Wings winning and Zetterberg getting the Conn Smythe, even though he doesn’t deserve it. Fleury is the most likely goat.
5. One day with the cup? Can you marry inanimate objects?
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by Karina on Jun 12, 2009 4:12 PM EDT reply actions
3rd as a starter, 4th overall + most wins by a Red Wings goalie in the playoffs, over 400 regular season wins.
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zing!
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by Karina on Jun 12, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
1. The roll I was born for, bad player on a good team. I don’t like losing, so who cares who’s playing, so long as we’re winning.
2. I’d probably use either the Benny Hill song, or the Kaiser Chiefs “Everything is Average Nowadays” if I was going for comic effect. i’d include the Oilers own goal right off the bat, as that’s a fairly iconic playoff miscue. If it were a heartbreaking thing I was going for, I’d probably use the Beatles “I’m a Loser”
3. I think Osgood gets a bad rap. He wasn’t horrible when he played behind the Islanders, but he wasn’t Roy or Hasek-esque either. Of course, hasek could only win a cup behind the Wings, so I guess by that argument, Hasek doesn’t get in either…?
4. Crosby (if he’s not hurt too bad, something’s up with him) was born for moments like this. He’s really changed my opinion of him with his playoff performance. I’d call this his coming out party. The Wings are so deep, but I think of all the guys on that team, Kronwall will be the one to watch. If it moves, he’s gonna hit it. I honestly have NO CLUE as to who’s gonna win this one tonight. Osgood for Smythe…
5. cry…
If you don't like your job, you don't strike! You just go in every day, and do it really half assed. That's the American way. - Homer
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by blurr1974 on Jun 12, 2009 4:12 PM EDT reply actions
Hasek
I think gets in on the strength of his international achievements alone.
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by Karina on Jun 12, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Osgood
has won. A lot.
A goalies job is to make the stop when it’s needed. Seems to me, given the number of rings he’s already got, he’s quite good at his job.
If you don't like your job, you don't strike! You just go in every day, and do it really half assed. That's the American way. - Homer
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by blurr1974 on Jun 12, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Good goalies are also good behind bad teams. The Sabres were basically Hasek and his groin and 22 other skaters with enough combined talent to score 1 goal a game.
Osgood is what he is, good enough to win with a great team. Is that HHOF worthy? Probably just on the strength of four Cups. There are worse players in there. I just wish Wings fans would stop trying to get him named to the Olympic team or including his name among the all-time great goalies because he’s not good enough.
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but
looking at his career, he’s HHOF worthy. Especially in comparison with, as you’ve pointed out, players worse than him already being inducted.
If you don't like your job, you don't strike! You just go in every day, and do it really half assed. That's the American way. - Homer
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by blurr1974 on Jun 12, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Of course, hasek could only win a cup behind the Wings, so I guess by that argument, Hasek doesn’t get in either…?
How many Vezinas and Harts did Osgood win in St. Louis and Long Island?
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anyhoo
one fewer than Jim Carey, so I’m guessing Jim Carey should be in the hall of fame…?
If you don't like your job, you don't strike! You just go in every day, and do it really half assed. That's the American way. - Homer
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by blurr1974 on Jun 12, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
yes, in the one hit wonders section
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 12, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Along with the Tampa Bay Lightning.
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1. Good on bad team, with one chance at being the other way and winning a championship once.
2. Something with circus and a montage of screw ups and blunders. Maybe even a little Sabotage by the Beastie Boys
3. I imagine he will get in due to the cups and all the wins, but he fits the bad player on a good team, more than a hall of famer. He achieves based on his ability to win the big game and play on one of the finest teams in 20 years. If he’s an islander, he’s already retired and working tv commentator for Nashville (they got him in the expansion draft!)
4. Detriot wins: I like Osgood or Kronvall to get the Conn; if Pittsburgh wins, it’s Malkin or Crosby, and I lean to Malkin
5. Me, the Cup, a big effing boat/yacht party! SKIDOOS and Flippy Floppies! And the Cup is my alcohol holder…thank god it’s cleaned regularly!!!
side note on number 5: the evil in me would etch out the names of all the people I hate on it…but I doubt I’d get away with that
Mee-Mee-Meep Meep Go Leafs Go Meep Meep! MEEP!!!
by blindfolded tank driver on Jun 12, 2009 4:17 PM EDT reply actions
1) Bad player on a shitty team. The path you take doesn’t matter if it ends up with Lord Stanley above your head.
2) The clips: The winning goal and losing team’s reaction for every series thus far. The sound: “Another one bites the dust” by Queen. Also, I quite enjoy this number by Chemmy: OhNoCaps
3) Osgood is definitely in the HHoF. Three, soon to be four (Go Wings!) Cup rings. 2 William M. Jennings. 2 All-Star appearances. 10th all-time in wins.
4) Detroit wins it. Osgood gets the Conn Smythe. Crosby gets the goat horns for not showing up all series.
5) In the morning/afternoon I’d do the charity benefit thing. But at night, I’d be getting drunk off of moonshine from the Lord Stanley’s cup. And to beat PPP, I’d have 2 girls and the cup.
Wings fan by birth. Leafs fan by empathetic association.
2 All-Star Game appearances.
Fixed to reflect that he has never been an All-Star
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And to beat PPP, I’d have 2 girls and the cup.
Sure but what you would be having them do is worse than what Kris Draper’s baby did!
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What, carry the cup for him? ;)
Supporter of the Sergei Berezin "Give and Go" - You give me puck, then you go to hell
gross internet reference fail!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 12, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Bad player and a shitty team? That sucks.
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1. Good player on shitty team. Just ‘cause I’ve never been a good player, really, of anything, beginning with “hopscotch”, carrying through pee wee baseball/hockey/soccer etc., and continuing right up to present day videogames, Scrabble and pretty much any form of competition you can dream up.
2. Music: Bad Luck by Social Distortion. For video clips, I wouldn’t limit myself to clips from the actual final; that way Steve Smith’s faux pas would qualify, as would Gretzky’s behind the net goal off Ellet’s skate from ‘93; I’d do a freeze frame and slow zoom on Brett Hull’s skate in Hasek’s crease from ‘99. In the section of the song where the lyrics are
Thirteen’s my lucky number,
To you it means stay inside.
I’d get some footage of Martin Gelinas’ OT goal to eliminate the Leafs in game 6 of the ‘02 Conference final, and specifically footage of Mats’ reaction. I’d crossfade from that footage into footage of the Hawks celebrating their series win over the Canucks this year and Mats not winning again. Lots to work with.
3. He probably gets in. I don’t think he should, but there’s lots of guys in already that shouldn’t be.
4. I am going out on a limb and calling Penguins FTW and Malkin = Conn Smythe. I am really hoping that the Billy Goat is Osgood or Hossa, but anybody wearing a red and white uniform will do. Some of you young whippersnappers around here might not remember the days when the Wings were a hated division rival and we needed plucky performances from guys like Nicky Borschevsky to beat them, but I’m too old too forget.
5. In truth, I’d probably take it to a family function to give my Dad, my brothers, my Father-in-law and my brother-in-law the chance to just hang out and drink beers with the Cup, but this is a fantasy world so I claim the right to pretend I’d take the Cup fishing. My favourite boat partner/fishing buddy is also a long-time hockey teammate and defense partner. I would love to just stick the Cup in the middle of a Powassan, and head out on the lake, just the two of us, to catch our limit with the Cup sitting in the hull between us as we slaughter the bass (and put ‘em right back in – catch and release, y’all!).
sigh
Great post, mf37!!!
jrwendelman
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"But if someone so eager to engage into fist talk, we can always meet after season end in Minsk." (Mikhail Grabovski and a well-meaning but not particularly skillful translator)
4. I am going out on a limb and calling Penguins FTW and Malkin = Conn Smythe.
Told ya, ladies and germs! Why the hell didn’t I put some $ down on that, I coulda made some scratch….
jrwendelman
The Artist Formerly Known as "Junior", who blogs at heroesinrehab.ca/blog
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by jrwendelman on Jun 13, 2009 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions
1) Ask Marian Hossa in about 5 hours.
2) Song – “Another One Bites The Dust” by Queen, with a remix of “Na NA NA Na…” in the instrumental parts of the song.
3) If Ozzie wins the Conn Smythe I don’t know how you can keep him out.
4) Detroit wins 3-2. Datsyuk, Mule, Stuart, Malkin and Fedotenko with the goals.
Ozzie is the hero. Crosby wears the goat horns for being shut down by Zetterberg again, and he has to start facing the questions of whether he can win the big one (Same as Gretzky did). Hossa has to live with the fact that the Wings carried him for a Ring.
5) Since I won the Cup with the Leafs (my answer, my rules), I would host a block party outside Damien Cox’s front door, and after 5 or 6 beers we would shout obscenitites at his house all day, then I’d get Ron Wilson to call Howard Berger and verbally berate him for an hour.
1. I’d rather be competing with a good team. The question is subjective. If I was in the press box and scratched regularly, then no. I would need to play in some capacity, even if it’s only 6 minutes a night.
2. The OIler’s ‘own goal’ Luongo’s ‘highlights’ in game 7 against Chicago, Hossa in the handshake line – tons to choose from. I don’t know if anyone has mentioned Beck ’I’m a Loser’ song, but i think that fits.
3. The Hall of fame question is a difficult one. If you go by who is already in there, then why not. I am a proponent of establishing a 2-tier HOF – To be nice about it, all the players who should have never gained admittance, and then a Hall of Champions. I would no longer admit anyone who just had a ‘great’ career, only those who truly stood above the others. Does Kirk Maltby get in because he has 4 cups? Not likely.
Through all that gobbledy gook, the answer is no – keep the Hall Osgoodless.
4. Game is over, but to be honest I thought the Wings would win, but I cheered for the Pens. The Conn Smythe was really up for grabs in the final game. Since Pittsburgh won, I guess Malkin is as good a choice as any. He should also get an award for trying to talk to the media.
5. I don’t know, but I would not put it down for one minute… except maybe to pee, even then I might be able to tuck it under one arm or something.
"Great spirits have often encountered violent opposition from weak minds."
Albert Einstein
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