RE: 09-10 Crystal Ball Time. Yeah, I added the Sedins.
I took the road less traveled and I probably successfully alienated the majority of you.
So yeah, basically I tried to take a look at this like the original post suggested, from the eyes of BB. I had to prepare myself for this by mainly watching Slap Shot about 6 times in a row, which in all fairness I would have done anyway.
See, I figure there are about 2 major things that you have to remember about Brian Burke:
1. His favorite movie of all time is Slap Shot- This is further highlighted by the fact that he signed the real life son of one of the Hanson brothers, so yeah, this guy is seriously awesome.
2. He's a man known for pulling two Swedes out of his hat.
Let's face it, BB is famous pretty much for his trade day shenanigans that landed those Swedish Fish, without those trades and some other dull stuff (see: Ducks winning Stanley Cup) he probably wouldn't have the job that he has now. Having said that, I pretty much am going to assume that he's going to try and bring them to Toronto, because honestly we need a top line center, and since the Sedin's come in pairs, let's just add that LW too.
So now you're all prepped for what most of you are probably going to hate, here goes nothing.
FORWARDS
1st line- Daniel Sedin, Henrik Sedin, and Jason Blake ($6, $6, $4)- The $16 million line.
Henrik passes, Daniel scores, and Blake races around the net as fast as he can to make the goaltender dizzy for the next line. In all seriousness, I think that although ageing; Jason Blake can easily break his point record for last season. Especially with the kind of playmaking skills that Henrik has. Yes, I said it.Justification of UFA signings- Havlat put up the kind of numbers that the Sedins did this past season and got paid about $6 million. Considering the ties that the Twins have with BB and because they want to play together but not for the LA Kings, I'm going to go ahead and say they'll get their raise, but also keep it rather reasonable for the possibly shrinking cap number. I think they'll get a two year deal at this price.
2nd line- Jiri Tlusty, Matt Stajan, Lee Stempniak ($.855, $1.75, $2.5)- These kids skate like the wind!
I think with Tlustys performance in the AHL this last half of the season shows he's ready to actually break in and stay in the NHL. He can make some pretty goals, especially with Stajan dishing to him.Let me defend Matt Stajan for a second. A lot of these posts have him traded away for next to nothing, and a lot of fans seem to hate him. Here's why I think he'll work. Look at Scott Gomez's age, stats, and salary. Now look at Stajan's. He has the same kind of problems that Gomez does (other than the rolling around in cash problem) he relies heavily on dishing the puck, which accounts for his assists. Plus he's younger, and still has a lot of potential. I like the way he skates, and I think I have a fool proof plan on getting him to score. All we have to do is pull a Waterboy (see: Adam Sandler) on him, and convince him to take out his anger at the soccer ball that side-lined him last season, on the puck. BOOM! he suddenly has an amazing slap shot that burns holes through goaltender's gloves.
Stempniak purportedly had a problem scoring because he didn't really have anyone decent dishing him the puck. I think the kinks will work themselves out if Stajan works more on being a playmaker, and continuing to play that two way game we've kept him around for. Ever notice how playing with better players just raises everyone's stats?
3rd line- Niklas Hagman, Tyler Bozak, Nikolai Kulemin ($3, $4, $1.48)- Because I don't think we're paying Bozak $4 million a year to suck.
Not too much to say about this lineup. I think Kulemin played well with Hagman, plus he has a little bit of size considering he's relatively fast. Bozak has some size too, and presents a scoring threat and adequate shut down skills. Frankly, I just love Hagman. I thought he played pretty well considering the team we put on ice last season. Not terrible, but not too terrific either.
4th line- John Mitchell, Christian Hanson, Jamal Mayers ($.488, $.875, $1.333)- The sit down and shut up line.
More size, abrasiveness, and reasonable scoring threat that Burke loves. Mayers isn't just a jerk skating around and hitting people, I don't think that's what hockey needs, especially this team. Add some grit to a team without being a complete dink about it (see: Chris Neil).
13th forward- Boyd Devereaux ($.5)- because he skates really fast and demoralizes Ottawa just by being on the ice.
DEFENSE
1st line- Our Luke and Savior, Tomas Kaberle ($2.975, $4.25)- What do you mean Kubina got traded?
Here's our number one defensive line. Schenner is going to rock some socks off this year, as he will every year. Kaberle will pick up on some of OLAS' youthful exuberance and magically transform him into his prime. Kabby can dish the puck, and I'll be damned if a hockey team doesn't absolutely need a complete package like Kaberle. He wasn't as impressive as he has been in previous years, but I feel like this is a new year for him, and he's going to recognize that. Plus it helps your stats out a lot when the pass you just made then makes it to the back of the net (and not our own, thanks Florida for taking McClutz off our hands. Too bad you gave us a fragile little egg to play in his place.)
2nd line- Ian White, Jeff Finger ($.85, $3.5)- Or WhiteFinger as I like to think of them.
I think Jeff Finger is going to come back from the off season with a magical mustache just like Ian White's. These two will become fast friends as a result and become an amazing defensive pair. Just like any good defensive tandem, one will stay at home while the other (preferably The 'Stache helps out on the attack).
3rd line- Anton Stralman, Jonas Frogren ($.732, $1.065)- The Frogman line, because Mike Van Ryn is injury prone, and we can't trade him away.
I've always been a fan of Stralman and I think that Van Ryn won't stay healthy long enough to stay in the lineup. I also think that Frogren isn't going to go anywhere especially with the supposed wealth of defensive knowledge he has gained from being abroad and whatnot.
7th Defenseman- Mike Van Ryn ($2.9)- I think he'll try and play the season and then promptly be injured. Burke and Wilson will be on their last straw and make him sit in the corner, or send him to the minors(my vote is for the minors. Maybe someone will pick him up and we can give Oreskovic another try or maybe Harrison.)
GOALTENDING
#1- Vesa Toskala ($4)- I've got an Owwwie!, but it's better now, thanks for asking.
My sneaking suspicion has been that Vesa played last season with that groin/hip injury and that's why he hasn't been so fresh. I would love that to be true. Allaire and many doctors help him to become even more awesome than ever before.
#2- Jonas Gustavsson ($1.5)- I say 1.5 because I saw it on another post and it's extremely convenient for fitting him under the cap.
Yeah, I'm pretty confident we're landing this Monster fish. I think that Toronto will encourage more of a goalie tandem like Boston did last season and San Jose has done in the past. Gustavsson will meet expectations, but we, the public, will not put undue and absurd expectations upon him. That's something new, isn't it?
So, with the cap hit of the two buyouts, Darcy Tucker and Andrew Raycroft ($.733, $1)- it will come in under the wire at about $56.3 million.
Kubina, Ponikarovsky and Grabovski all take a trip to somewhere, for something. Possibly all to the Kings, or different teams. I like Kubina and Ponikarovsky, and would have liked to keep them, but we do need a younger lineup, and Burke wanted to fit the Sedins in. Besides, I hate Grabovski. Pass the damn puck and the guy that had cancer won't punch you during two different practices(see Jason Blake). I don't care how many goals you score, unless it's 100, you're still a dink. At 100 goals you're just a 100 goal scoring dink. He doesn't bring a good side into this team, that needs, and I mean absolutely needs to be a non whining, team oriented team. Not a charge blindly toward the goal and get stripped of the puck by even a five year old with a branch type of team. Anyway, enough of a rant on that.
I used two different sites for the numbers, www.nhlnumbers.com and www.hockeybuzz.com, so if any of the numbers are wrong, I blame them for it. I kind of designed the lines around some of my own preferences from playing with some of the players on NHL2K9, and familiarizing myself with what some people believed to be their potential.
So have at it and pull it apart, let me know how much you think the Sedins suck and don't belong on the team, etc.
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Content questions.points:
What kind of return do you expect from Kubina?
the mustached defensive tandem would be stellar
Style question:
Why is everything in a block quote?
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Basically, the block quotes are an accident. I used to be web savvy back in good ole 1998, but not so much anymore, so I posted using the view mode(or whatever it’s called) and voila you have those indented block quotes.
Also, I think (for Kubina) that with any trade it really depends on what team you’re trading to. I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Kings draft the junior Schenn so that they can trade with us and have a little more leverage that way. It’s a pretty good tactic if you know a team desires a particular player, and you want to invite them to dance. It’s pretty simple economics really. Why would you draft the LW (i.e. MPS) you need when you can probably trade for him and a little more using a higher ranked and potentially more valuable draft pick (i.e. Schenn Jr.)?
From what I have read from various sources, and have analyzed their roster, they’re basically going to need a top six LW and they may be looking for another veteran defenseman. The Kings are a team that seem to like to have grit all around and Kubina fits that bill more than Kaberle would. Plus if I were BB I would market the hell out of the fact that Kubina has already won a cup, Kabby hasn’t had that privilege yet.
I’m referencing Kaberle a lot just because people have him moving on a lot of their rosters, and I don’t think that in BB’s mind he’s the ideal piece to be moved. He’s a steal for the price that we have him at. I wouldn’t be surprised at all for him to be moved right at the trade deadline in two years time, before he hits UFA that offseason because he will be due for a hell of a raise.
by LawlessWalrus on Jun 18, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s an interesting point with the Kings drafting Schenn first and then trading him to the Leafs. I think the Kings’ forwards are good enough but they need to replace the gap Blake left on the D when he went to SJ. Kubina brings veteran leadership, some grit, and a booming slapper. In my mind they are the best target.
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Thanks for joining and that’s a great first FanPost.
Personally, if the Leafs land the twins I’ll be ecstatic. The 14th and 15th top scorers from last year that eat up tough minutes and outscore the team’s best opposition. What’s not to like?! I can see $6M but not at 2 years. I think term will have to be longer.
I also like Grabovski so I expect to see him signed and in Bozak’s spot among the forward ranks. Bozak’s still coming back from knee surgery so I think he’ll at least start the year in the A.
The White-Finger pairing could have the best non-playoff facial hair in the league.
Other than that, it’s just quibbling about line formation but overal I like it.
I had to prepare myself for this by mainly watching Slap Shot about 6 times in a row, which in all fairness I would have done anyway.
Only six times? Also, don’t watch The Junior Leagues. It is even worse than Wrap told us it was.
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I’d take the Tour de France for $5M each, I know that’s low but if they want to stay together and they want to play in Toronto they should take what they get. If not, $10M buys a lot of free agents.
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I definitely can see where The Management might be dropping Bozak into the minors and signing Grabs. That will maintain the Man Grabs Lemon line that everyone seems to love. Maybe Jason Blake has been punching some more sense into the kid in the offseason (I can dream can’t I?).
Anyway, If we could sign the Sedins at $5 million a pop, it would be a beautiful thing.
BTW, how much do you think Grabovski would sign for? $2 million or more like $2.5? I seem to recall people posting a number around there on some threads on different sites.
by LawlessWalrus on Jun 18, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Grabovski is probably in that range that you outlined. Maybe a bit higher but definitely less than $3M.
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I thought Burke said something to the effect of “$2.5M not a penny more” in reference to Grabbo, but maybe that was Moore…?
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by blurr1974 on Jun 18, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Not sure
But I meant that is the range that you get from both sides’ stances.
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If we give the Sedins what they want...
we should sign them each to a 20 year contract worth $100M.
$5M cap hit baby…
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by blurr1974 on Jun 18, 2009 12:51 PM EDT reply actions
That would be something like:
8 years @ $10M
1 year @ $5M
1 year @ $4M
1 year @ $2M
9 years @ $1M
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totally do-able
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by blurr1974 on Jun 18, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
and if they retire we don’t owe them squat
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bingo
not circumventing the cap…
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by blurr1974 on Jun 18, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
As was mentioned on another CB post, since the NHLPA re-upped the CBA only bonuses earned count against the cap, not potential maximum.
Bozak will likely get somewhat less than 4mil.
Great first post!
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jun 18, 2009 5:04 PM EDT reply actions
Sedins
Yeah, the more I actually look into their stats, the more I think the Sedins would make a nice pick-up. The money needs to be right though, and Burke doesn’t seem to be into the big long-term deals. But they had the same number of points as Cammalleri, but way better /-; more points than Rick Nash, too, and slightly better +/-, to compare to two players Leaf fans are salivating over. So who would you rather have on the top line: DH or Cammalleri and Nash? Stats say the Swedes are better.
by Leaf in Habland on Jun 19, 2009 10:04 AM EDT reply actions
Cammalleri is over rated and I want nothing to do with him
Rick Nash on the other hand plays for Columbus esentially by himself
the Sedins played on Vancouver with at the very least a player exactly as good as them (each other)
I’d take Nash and a defensive pick up (bauchemin for example) over the doublemint twins anyday
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 19, 2009 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Having seen Cammalleri up close numerous times, I feel fairly confident in saying, you’re on crack.
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by blurr1974 on Jun 19, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
not saying he isnt good, just saying he will fetch WAY too much money. and be too rich for my blood
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 19, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Heart vs Head
Here’s the thing. There is more to a team than just adding players and stats. The point about Nash being all alone in Columbus is a good one. Cammalleri had an off year with the Kings two years ago, but otherwise has been a consistent scorer. The Sedins have been pretty consistent, too, but since they are older, one might suggest they will not get any better than around 80 points. So I can see an argument for both sides based on a deeper statistical analysis.
But what about the gut feeling? Not to go all Don Cherry on this, (I’m only asking the question, not answering it!) but does Toronto want/need the face of the franchise to be a “good Canadian boy”? Is the fact that Mats was Swedish the main reason why he is far less beloved than Wendel Clark, even though he was statistically better for longer? Is it important for Burke to change the direction of the franchise, even if it is by perception only, away from Europeans?
My answer to this is that it doesn’t really matter as far as how many games will be won. It might help to have the Sedins for future free agent signings (ie the next Monster/FB). I would be interested to see a deep statistical comparision between NA and Euro players, and see if there is a way to test for “attitude” or something. Because that seems to be the underlying question about the Sedins: they have a softness that is a potential liability. But do they really? Is it really?
by Leaf in Habland on Jun 19, 2009 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
i don’t think Burke cares what anyone thinks re: perception of change.
He’ll target the best players available, that fit in the system he and Ron Wilson want to play as a team. Burke’s affinity for guys named Selanne, Sedin and Pahlson go to show they don’t need to be Canadian to play the game he wants.
As far as the Sundin less loved argument, I’m waiting for eyebleaf to rally around that, but I think it’s been beaten to death round these parts. Suffice to say, we love him, just not in a Canucks uni.
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by blurr1974 on Jun 19, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreeing to the fact that the Sedins always had a great player to play with. They have been playing with each other for years.
Read that any way you wish.
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jun 19, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions

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